Everton Banter Archive May 14 2013

14 May 2013 23:25:36
Right folks, I'm getting really annoyed about all this "Martinez for everton" talk. How low have we all sunk to even be entertaining the subject? He seems a nice guy, but he simply isn't good enough for my beloved club & his defensive qualities are non existent. The way I see it is that when moyes came in we were relegation material, but in time he bought us real stability & eventually a 'top 7' status, so moyes therefore created the stability. What we now need to do is take our football to the next level (I. e. - top 4/5 & winning a cup & European football on a regular bais etc). To achieve this we need a more capable manager that has achieved exactly these things - the right people to do this for me would be in the following order;

1) Michael laudrup
2) pereira
3) Benitez
4) roberto di Matteo

Laudrup is easily first choice for me, & when you look at how good 'michu' has been this season you can see that laudrup possesses moyes' ability of finding a gem of a player for small money.
Finally, on a more happy note, I think David moyes will 1 day return as manager of everton, not sure when, but convinced he will.

I do agree with what your sayin but our defenders and whole squad are a different class compared to wigans

15 May 2013 08:16:29
Solomon if Rafa had not managed the Koppites I would be begging to get him here because he is a top manager, also if I remember he slated our great team too but I can forgive that remark as that is what a managers job is to unsettle opposition.

Could we really ignore he was a Koppite, could we handle the flack from the other end of the park, don't know but personally mate I don't know whether I could.

Degsy

Why the Laudrup love in? He won a league cup, big deal.

Svenny

15 May 2013 09:28:12
Totally agree with you - all other clubs supporters think Martinez is great, my response is, 'Well you have him!' Also agree with your top 3.

I think that to spend £10 million on Laudrup would be a waste if money, I haven't heard enough about Pereira to want him to be honest, Benitez is a good manager but also an Ex-Kopite so no to him, I wouldn't mind di Matteo as he done well with Chelsea and was unfairly sacked

Dont understand this ex kopite crap. did we slag off beardsley when he was banging them in for us. so what he said things about us. it happens in all rivalries between 2 close clubs. I would be surprised if 1. we approcached rafa and 2 he was keen. he is a good manager but would want a decent transfer fund

14 May 2013 22:45:46
Outs
Felliani 25m Heitinga, gueye, Naismith and some youths 10m

Plus sky money manager savings and money we had in jan
Budget 50m

Manager pereria
Ins
Atsu 5m (last year of contract) McCarthy 8m Dragovic 4m Honda 4m Fer 7m Bony 12m
Total 40m
Plus new young keeper and other prospects

First team
Howard
Coleman jags distin baines
McCarthy Gibson
Mirrales Honda piennar
Bony

Second team
New keeper
Hibbert Duffy dragovic Oviedo
Fer osman
Barkley anichebe atsu
Jelavic

Introduce u21's and young fringe players like Barkley and Oviedo

Most of the players you want in were moyes's picks, the new manager whoever it will be will have his own so don't expect them to happen

New Manager will probably be Martinez and what about Al Habsi as new keeper? He is Prem Class 31 excellent compeition for Howard, and might mean Howard doesn't have those 1 month dip in form

Makes me laugh when we I see fer being mentioned. the new manager will have his own targets not moyes targets.

14 May 2013 22:31:36
Strange how we keep hoping our new manager will go back to his old club and bring a couple of players with him while at the same time think it would be treason if our old manager did the same to us.
RickTee {Ed025's Note - fair point rick..

15 May 2013 08:18:24
Have been thinking the same Rick.

It's all about losses and gains mate, morals go out of the window when these are involved

Degsy

14 May 2013 22:18:33
With moyes gone now do you think we can have a manager who plays 2 strikers and that's not saying moyes didn't do a fantastic job but sometimes we was playing safe nd not attacking enough wot you rekon ed

dave {Ed025's Note - i think its up to the next manager dave..

We weren't complaining about 1 striker last season when jelly was banging them in

Do the mancs use 2 strikers and oh yes they won the league. even mancini rarely did. Do barcelona play 2? No they play 1 and sometimes None. Football is no longer 442 my friend.

14 May 2013 22:07:53
Here we go the candidates:
Mark Hughes = NO
Michael Laudrup = Staying at swansea
Porto boss Pireira = Possibility
Malky Mackay = Possible but not for me
Neil Lennon = NO
Martin O neil = NO
Roberto Martinez = YES I know the defensive problems he had at wigan but he would have superior better players at Everton to work with but he could stay at Wigan.

Andy

Couple good games doesn't make him brilliant there is a lot better out there

^there may be better managers its the budget.

14 May 2013 22:43:42
How about Martinez = No!

Just got Wigan relegated. I don't know why everyone seems to want him so bad.

Not for me.

Wigan have struggled in the PL with Martinez in charge because he cannot see what is wrong. His complete disregard for any defensive tactics or players who can defend properly is obvious to everyone, except him.

He'd inherit much better at Everton but would you trust him to build his own back line of pkayers when the time came?

Tactically naive, the opposite of Moyes, we need better than Martinez.

WHATS OUR NAME!

Andy:

Mark Hughes = ''NO'' Not my choice either!
Michael Laudrup = ''Staying at swansea'' Would have been my fave!
Porto boss Pireira = ''Possibility'' Has support on here I have noticed however a bit of a shot in the dark for me.
Malky Mackay = ''Possible but not for me'' A perfect fit for me I'm afraid.
Neil Lennon = ''NO'' Echo that mate!
Martin O neil = ''NO'' Yep ditto.
Roberto Martinez = ''YES I know the defensive problems he had at wigan but he would have superior better players at Everton to work with but he could stay at Wigan. ''

He has the same problem as a lot of managers/coaches do, i. e. he is scared of playing ugly even when it means staying in the PL or playing in the championship so no thank you I want our new manager to be flexible and realistic with the challenge ahead (and it will be a challenge with this board) not dogmatic!!

Blue247

14 May 2013 21:56:16
please can all these negative people who are depressing me about martinez not good enough to be our next manager give it rest or if not can their please tell me who our next young experienced premiership manager who just won the facup with chmpionship players who knocked us out of the facup should be and don't forget we don't want any foreigners they will ruin our club

dave

Im not sure i'm reading this right you says you WANT Martinez but don't want a foreigner isn't Martinez Spanish?

And to look at it from all angles. just got relegated. it ain't that straight forward. moyes. if memory served me right always ended up just outside play off or mid table when he was at Preston. I am sure some one in the know will correct me though. jlaff

And just got his team relegated, keep him away from Goodison!

14 May 2013 21:48:35
with stubbs as assistant manager in charge of defensive tactics then martinez might be a good efc manager.

Good shout pal, my choice too

14 May 2013 21:40:27
If Moyses dismantles the everton team by taking Jags / felliani and Baines to man u -he will become a hate figure and would never be welcomed back to Goodison

Here here

Calm down. It's just paper talk which 99% of the time doesn't happen!

Don't think he will. If he does sniff round i'd hope it would be only 1 player. He would be destroying his own legacy and leaving the club in a complete hole. I think Moyes has more integrity.

Last poster, I agree, tho, unfortunately his loyalty is to the Mancs now and i'm sure his outlook is to do what is best for them. I hope he leaves us alone out of respect, but who wouldn't want Baines? Hopefully Bainesy's love for Everton is as great as ours

I think he respects the club enough to leave us alone for 2 seasons

Utd going for Baines comes with a lot of risk for Moyes. 1) he potentially destroys what bond is left with any of our fans. 2) one of the first things he will therefore have to do is drop or sell Patrice Evra, a Fergie captain, loyal servant who the fans respect. 3) Baines may not be able to do for Utd what he does for us. Most of our attacking threat goes through Baines. Utd have a lot of other players who will want the ball before he gets it. Kinda like when he plays for England. 4) he will cost around £20m. A lot of money.
Hank

14 May 2013 21:16:36
For everyone who is gagging for a bit of Martinez, I hope your watching this game. Their team defence is totally useless. It's not just the back 4. It's the whole team. There is no protection from the midfield. I mean, the back 4 are useless, but made to look even worse by the exposure. It's a shame because they do have some excellent attacking players, but you can't defend like this and get away with it.

Hank {Ed025's Note - the fact they are losing hank, is because they have inferior players mate...you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear!, at everton he would have a vastly superior squad mate..

Fair enough totally agree we are better team but I'm talking more about his tactics. Our team defends as a team. That's always been Moyes' way to me. The Wigan side have a back 4 who defend and the rest don't seem to take responsibility. Let's say he did join as manager, then for me a must would be to have weir and Stubbs heavily involved still because I'm not convinced Martinez knows how to coach the defensive side of the game effectively enough to challenge for a European place.

Hank

14 May 2013 21:35:47
eds you beat me to it, apart from mcarthy and maybe maloney most of these wigan players are championship level at best martinez has done really well keeping them in the premiership as long as he has, they play great footy and he always conducts himself with dignity i'd love to see him given our job and remember he's won more trophies than the new Manchester United boss has.
ste c

Wigan didn't have the option to defend, it was a game they had to win. So of course there was gaps between the mid and defence.

I've been watching Wigan all season closely because I was intrigued by their 3 at the back system that got them out of trouble last year. And trust me, what you saw today was no different from how they usually are. The fact they had to win made no difference. There have been gaps all season which is why they have just been relegated.

Hank

Ah yes hank but a back three of Jags, Distin and possibly Duffy (presuming Heitinga leaves) would be a lot stronger than Wigan's back three mate.
Joe EFC

Their defence has been hit by a lot of injuries, none of them have been able to settle together without someone else getting an injury

Do like the potential in that Joe. With Baines and Coleman bombing the flanks. But really, Martinez? I want, to want him. (growl)

Hank

14 May 2013 20:09:48
Just got around to reading moyes and Nevilles programme notes from Sunday. Moyes talks mostly about himself and Neville about the fans and atmosphere at goodison. Would not surprise me if in the end the board called moyes bluff as he thinks he run the club and was not replaceable. On another note felliani is gone with his body language. Never once clapped the crowd as players camut or on lap of honour. Keep jags and bsinsey. 2 defenders 2 midfielders and 2 strikers we need for next season.

Ye he did they all did

I agree fellani did clap do kne kopite

Did you not see felli on sunday then?

14 May 2013 20:07:50
Hi ed I've seen a number of times that your ideal choice would be martinez. i'd like to ask why you think he is the right man for the job?

Andy {Ed025's Note - plays good football, does not need a massive budget, media friendly...and iv got £20 on him.. :)

Watching tonight's game Wigan have fell to bits 2nd half. Don't go near Martinez last few seasons scraped thru in last few games, been caught this year poor side can't defend. Just a Spanish Walter smith {Ed025's Note - waltoro smitho.. :)

I've seen Arsenal give us plenty of hidings since Moyes was in charge. 7-1, 0-6 spring to mind

Good young c half duffys a great young player. distin and jh are finished.

14 May 2013 19:16:17
Always been Martinez for me. with so many new managers next season he could push us to the title with the team we have now plus a striker! Markyg

I like your optimism mate, but let's just hope, if it is Martinez he can jeep us in the hunt for Europe and who knows maybe elevate us to the next level and nab a top 4 place.

Personally, am completely torn on the man, for every positive I think for Martinez, there is a negative that I worry about. The FA Cup win is nice, but it hasn't done anything to sway me, especially since his side is more or less getting relegated.

The man has upside, without question, which is the reason why the likes of Villa and Liverpool were interested in hiring him. It is going to be a risk, which I guess we get with every new manager, hopefully, if it does turn out to be Martinez (which I personally think it is, especially with the latest quotes from Whelan) he can show his potential off and take us up a level.

Whatever the case may be, like Fergie said in his speech, we need to get behind the new manager, we need to support him 100% and show we have faith in him. Moyes mentioned when he joined, just how important it was to him that the fans were behind him and willing to back him. {Ed025's Note - good and balanced view that mate..

Good shout mate! Scotty

Got to give the man the stage or we may miss out on a genius. markyg

I suppose you would be happy markyg I've seen you posting on here a number of times shouting to the rooftops that Moyes should be sacked I bet you're happy now

Happy but also thankful for his contribution. I'm not the only one who thought he was too negative. markyg

I would of been more than happy if Moyes would have taken us to the top. I saw it long ago. We need vision with the best squad since the eighties. I think Martinez could move us on. markyg {Ed025's Note - i do to marky..

14 May 2013 18:52:42
Still reckon laudrup and pereira are the best candidates. What you reckon ed? {Ed025's Note - im sticking by martinez lew..

14 May 2013 18:17:20
Would love to see negredo and soldado in a toffees shirt, oh my! Fer and honda in the middle! Wow, maybe go for valero and ljalic as there both declining contract talks! {Ed025's Note - nice dream that lew..

14 May 2013 17:15:15
So I take it Moyes going means all plans we had in terms of transfers disappear? Also, how's thing's on the Honda front? {Ed025's Note - as far as i know nothing has changed, but it might, depending on who the new manager is..

14 May 2013 16:55:54
Pereira is the man that I want to replace Moyes. None of the other names mentioned really take my fancy. He's young, wants to manage in the prem and is interested in playing the type of football that we witnessed at Goodison on Sunday. Much prefer this guy to a Jol, Hughes or some of the other managers being mentioned and I personally think that a Stubbs, Ferguson or Neville experience wise don't really fit the bill.

14 May 2013 15:33:58
Ed what's the deal this Russian fella?
Is he the one who was in jail?
Why are people worried about him?
By the way, If Macca wanted to buy us he'd have done it a long time ago. He's 70 now. {Ed025's Note - i dont know much about the russian guy pablo..

There is no truth in it, it was an april fools joke and the media have only just picked up on it and ran it

14 May 2013 14:21:08
stop posting rubbish about who we are apparently interested in signing, we don't even have a manager and it will be down to the new manager who we are interested in

People like you do my head in, what's it to you what people put on here everyones entitled to speculate, so what if some are far fetched big deal!

It's people like you 1st reply who sit at home every week instead of going and supporting your club

14 May 2013 12:48:40
Wouldn't mind Lukaku at Everton he has a £6 million buyout clause in his contract, I think he's worth it do you?
Jay

If Rooneys is sold have we still got clause in contract about any sell on fee

They paid 18 million for him and he has 6 million buy out clause whatever member of the Chelsea board allowed that would be sacked on the spot.

So Chelsea buy him in a rumoured £10m deal plus add ons and insert a £6m buyout clause?! You are kidding right?

Don't be so ridiculous mate. How can he have a £6 million buyout clause when he was bought for £18 million.

If that's true he's worth every penny an more jay quality player still has loads of potential too

No he doesnt! Why in the world would Chelsea buy him for £18m then put a £6m buyout clause in his contract?!
Joe EFC

Why would they pay 18 million for him when he's 18 but put a 6 million buy out clause in for when he improves? RW

14 May 2013 14:14:19
No buy out clauses here guys, especially when they paid £18 million for the lad, would love him at our club though, amazing prospect but I think Chelski know that already

Degsy

The the first reply, yes we will get a percentage of rooney's sell on fee

14 May 2013 12:30:32
With Brighton failing to win promotion, Gus Poyet could be looking for a new challenge. I for one would give serious consideration to him joining our great club.

Thoughts?

14 May 2013 11:54:30
if this russian rumour is true it will happen because.
remember mancity signed robiniho as their first signing? now soldado could be our first signing of a new era thoughts? PKBLUE

Our first signing when we don't even have a manager?

14 May 2013 10:18:47
ed what is the likelyhood of the following happening?
jags leaving?
new manager being someone unexpected?
baines leaving?
fellaini leaving?
getting soldado? {Ed007's Note - It is very likely that they either will happen, or they won't, so 50/50.}

Way to sit on the fence ed! {Ed007's Note - Well either something happens or it doesn't :-)

14 May 2013 09:22:38
Alan stubbs very heavily backed over night joint favourite in some places. If he is the height of our ambition its time to give up! Number 2 to martinez maybe but not the top job surely!

14 May 2013 08:46:35
roberto soldado worried his 10mill
move to us won't happen now moyes
has left?

14 May 2013 07:34:24
alan stubbs 2nd fav this morning 4/1 somebody in know piling money on tp. {Ed025's Note - my lad got 42-1 for him last week TP, a lad in his work put him on to it, im not so sure though..although he would be the cheap option.

At 4/1 he must have been called for an interview and people in know somewhere must have piled on an amazing amount to tumble price like that. so well done eds son and good luck. tp.

14 May 2013 00:43:32
Sunday, we get the crocodile tears from mr moyes, to-night, he appears at unt's celebrations with a red flag around him, apart from anything else he is under contract, and being paid by everton football club. If I said what I really feel about st david, I doubt it would be posted.

Forget about moyes he's gone to utd he went to their parade so what. concentrate on everton now u can't blame moyes for lack of professionalism his head his bound to be at utd but he will prepare us for chelsea like he has for every other game. martinez will add attacking flair to a team already well drilled be positive about the future

14 May 2013 21:13:55
At OP - Moyes was at Cambridge University last night, so why don't you concentrate on your own team? And unlike you I have some proof :-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2324207/David-Moyes-speaks-Cambridge-University-Union-Monday.html

Now jog on

13 May 2013 23:42:44
I really find it difficult to comprehend how deluded most of the Everton fans are. U guys really need a reality check. At best your a team that will have a chance of winning a cup every 15/20 years. You won't EVER compete for never mind win the EPL. Yet you continue to slag of Scottish football and in particular Celtic FC. Take a look at the reality of it. Look at Celtics history. They are a World Wide Brand. Everton reap the benifits by mearly making up the numbers in the EPL. Celtic's acheivments in Europe last season was fantastic and this was recognised by virtually all sensible football pundits, broadcasters and sports reporters. Just imagine what they could do with the £50m + lucky bag that teams like Everton get for just being in the EPL. Success for Everton is finishing 6th! If Lennon does go to Everton you will get a fantastic, passionate young manager. I don't think he will take a step down just to get into the EPL so thankfully he'll be leading us into another Champions League campaighn. Dream on Everton. {Ed025's Note - look mate, this has been done to death!..you are a very big club, no doubt, but people think scottish football is inferior to the EPL, and to be fair they are right..

Celtic are a big club, in a tiny league.

14 May 2013 08:22:46
Scotish football is poor if facing motherwell and hearts every week is your ambition then that's poor

Pub league you played we'll in two games against barca 2games all season why are you a big club becos it ain't hard when there only two teams anyone knows rangers are a bigger club world wide dint think Celtic as well nown as everton when is the Spl showed in any country get a grip your only competive game is champs league your footballing life sound borin can't wait till rangers back on top

Celtic are a pro team in an amateur league of part time clubs

If Celtic had healthy competition i. e. playing in a league that might include a

MUFC, CFC. THFC, AFC, MCFC, Real Madrid, Barcelona B. Dortmund, B. Munich, A. C. Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus. Lennon would be a very serious contender.

However this is not the case!

Celtic play in a league that includes:>



Team Stadium Capacity
Aberdeen Pittodrie Stadium, Aberdeen 22, 199
Dundee Dens Park, Dundee 12, 085
Dundee United Tannadice Park, Dundee 14, 209
Heart of Midlothian Tynecastle Stadium, Edinburgh 17, 420
Hibernian Easter Road, Edinburgh 20, 421
Inverness Caledonian Thistle Caledonian Stadium, Inverness 7, 918
Kilmarnock Rugby Park, Kilmarnock 18, 128
Motherwell Fir Park, Motherwell 13, 742
Ross County Victoria Park, Dingwall 6, 310
St. Johnstone McDiarmid Park, Perth 10, 673
St. Mirren St. Mirren Park, Paisley 8, 016

Dream On OP_____>>>>>>>>>>>

Blue247

Ed:025:Please put this up and I won't mention this again I promise mate! {Ed001's Note - Ed025 is away filming a new Southern Comfort advert, so I will put it up....}

Thanks Ed001:

I do hope he's not wearing the same Speedo's, have a word :)

Blue247

Yeah Celtic did so well this year and it was acknowledged by so many people, not one player from the entire useless, average Celtic team were even considered for SPL player of the year.

13 May 2013 23:31:42
So this latest take over rumour is popping up all over the net. I wish it would pop up on the offical Everton site as a done deal. Stef the blue