Everton Banter Archive July 14 2017

 

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14 Jul 2017 23:20:31
How much did we get for McGeady?

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{Ed025's Note - £250,000 glt..

15 jul 2017 00:56:15
really!

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15 Jul 2017 07:05:55
still think we ripped them off though ha ha.

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{Ed025's Note - love it bluey..

15 Jul 2017 13:02:43
I read that we received £500,000 from Sunderland for Aiden McGeady and that it was James Vaughan (former Evertonian) that they paid £250,000 for from Bury.

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14 Jul 2017 23:20:20
Looking at another youngster. Centre back from Newcastle. Lewis Gibson 16. We building a good bank of young top players.

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14 Jul 2017 21:56:06
How come we sold McGeady so cheap? Surely we could have got much more after the season he had?

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14 Jul 2017 22:04:09
Wanted him off the books, i suppose. Expect the same for Niasse.

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14 Jul 2017 23:22:02
May be a little harder for niasse. Not a lot of clubs want to give up 2 bags of wotsits and a curly wurly. Joking aside he didn't do too bad for Hull. Maybe 6-7 mill off someone.

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14 Jul 2017 20:30:20
Just pay the 50 mill and end it, that guy wants the blue shirt revolution, along with a striker and defender COYB.

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14 Jul 2017 20:24:27
I will be sad to see Barclay go because i think he is capable of being world class player but there is no way back now i don't think he can make it at EFC but if he is to reach his potential he will have to change his attitude and take critisism for poor performance and listen to his coaches instead of listening to agents looking for a pay day. Value, no more than Sniederlin or Klassen.

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14 Jul 2017 18:45:43
Does anyone know what the situation is with a player playing the Champs League qualifier and then being sold to a club in the Europa League. Are they ineligable to play in the europa league. I ask due to our links to Dembele at Celtic who has played today in the Champs League Qualifier.

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{Ed025's Note - its a good question AL, i dont know the answer mate but i will ask ED002 and get back to you mate..

14 Jul 2017 18:11:07
So David James thinks Everton lured players in under false pretense of playing with lukaku. Now I would have thought some of those boys would love the idea of working with Rooney ( not that I'm his biggest fan) . I'm not a bitter fan but that does smack of bitterness from a former red. On the upside it implies that he thinks we would have had no chance getting those players otherwise. which in itself suggests he thinks they are decent. is there a little hint of jealousy?

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{Ed025's Note - more than a hint i feel mate..

14 Jul 2017 18:33:27
Apparently David James thinks professional footballers and their agents are not capable of reading the news. To say Efc conned them by not saying Lukaku could be leaving, only stands up if it wasn't all over every news outlet that he was looking to move on, and that at least two teams were looking at signing him, which was definitely the case.
David James the Elmo of ex footballers. (elmos is the RED MUPPET :D)

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14 Jul 2017 18:49:13
Unbelievable. more reds coming out of the woodwork with comments about our team, club and players. who's bitter. everyone you look in the press there's always a red passing comment on players that they are after and why they must go to lfc. right now all is quiet over the road so the jealousy starts again . jeez. amazing our signings can't or wouldn't get in their team . ha ha ha oh dear.

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14 Jul 2017 18:57:39
Every idiot in every village in Europe and beyond knew Lukaku was on the move this summer, for Yer man to allude to deception on Everton's part highlights only his misunderstanding, perception and understanding of a situation that seemed clear to anyone with half an ounce of wit. #redfacedexred.

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14 Jul 2017 22:22:45
It's not just James though getting on my nerves. How many comments have you heard or read from other teams fans (mostly liverpool) saying along the lines of "yeah they've spent a lot but we never wanted those players, they'd never get into our team in a million years". I know we've not signed superstars but they're certainly better than a lot of teams have. If Liverpool signed Klaasen they'd be quoting every youtube clip ever. They slate the hell out of Migs but think he's better than Pickford. Klaven, Lovren over Keane? I don't think so. Solanke is going to be World Class, best youngster ever. Hang on, better than Sandro? If it sounds familiar to any visiting pool fans here, there's no shame in admitting a team is doing good business! I can admit Coutinho is a great player and would get in our team, to say that none of our players at all would improve you is a tad disrespectful.

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15 Jul 2017 03:22:44
Get back on your Megadrive James, ooooohhhhhhhh Dodgy Keeper!
Never will forget him diving 5 seconds too late like a cat chasing a mouse for a derby goal! Was it Gary Speed who scored it or Rideout? Remember watching it on the big screen Park End at Goodison.

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14 Jul 2017 16:53:18
ED025

A Reds fan here in peace.

How on earth can some Everton fans claim that Sig's is being overpriced when the club are asking for the same amount for Barkley, who isn't as good and has less left on his contract?

I'm not bitter at all, I think you have some fantastic youngsters coming through and a brilliant academy, but bar a couple of flashes, Barkley is average for me.

Without looking into it to much, I'm confident that in a team fighting relegation, Sig has better stats than Ross.

If he wasn't a local lad, he'd have gone for a quarter of the price.

If Ross is up for that tag, then Sig is a steal in my eyes.

What do you think Ed?

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{Ed025's Note - i tend to agree smp, ross tends to get more leeway with him being a local lad but for me is very inconsistent, in my view if we got sigurdsson and sold ross for a similar fee then i feel it would be a great deal, barkley has a lot of talent but lacks application at times and maybe a move away could be the making of the lad, if he stays or goes does not bother me to be honest but i think he will find it hard to get in the side especiallyl if gylfi does come, i wish the lad no ill will but feel he has been foolishly advised and i dont think koeman is his biggest fan either but what will be will be mate..

14 Jul 2017 17:19:30
Thanks for the reply Ed.

I'm not for one moment saying Sig is worth £50m, I just think it's not unfair to quote him at the same price you want for barkley.

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{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..

14 Jul 2017 17:34:11
Very fair assessment, particularly for a Red!

Barkley was talked about with the same passion as Rooney when he broke into the first team (if not before) , but whereas Rooney really delivered, Barkley hasn't kicked on. It's frustrating because he seems to have all the talent in the world. Conversely, look at Milner who was never the most naturally gifted, he grafted and has won a number of trophies, not by being an also ran but by being a first team pick. You have to think that if Barkley really put the graft in then he'd have a similar career, given his natural talent.

Just my opinion, but you see less naturally talented players than Barkley have incredibly successful careers, so it can only be down to application.

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14 Jul 2017 18:13:10
Spot on SMP. your absolutely right. it goes both ways, and we can't really complain when we have to swallow the same pill. If the club want him they'll pay what's being asked.

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14 Jul 2017 18:36:29
Ross ain't a kid with "potential" anymore. When he "burst" on the scene, as a bluenose with lots of reds for mates, I really wanted us to have a player that we produced for once ( I know Rooney was but he flew the nest before he made much of an impact) I think Ross is (insert word that might get me banned) sorry! I just do not rate the guy. bad attitude, bit of an idiot, poorly advised, actually just not very good and frankly would not get in the first 11 of any team above us (as of last season) maybe that's why we have had zero offers?

Big joke even in these carazy times with money being what it is. I don't want to be one of those posters that's maybe spent a few hours too long in the sun (pub) but i think anything between 15 and 20 mil is about right. Get him gone. Another for the "where are they now" bargain bin.

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14 Jul 2017 20:08:37
All transfer fees are the result of supply and demand. If someone's willing to pay 50 million for Sigurdsson, then that's what he's worth. Same for Ross.
If someone offered us 30+ million I'd bite their hand off.
No one doubts his ability - but where's the end product?

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14 Jul 2017 21:29:15
The old adage - craft is uslesss without graft!

You can have all the skill and ability on the world, but with application, you may as well have nowt.

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14 Jul 2017 21:48:04
Ross seems to have other influences that are not football related that are dictating his career. He has talent but to be at the very top you need to have the right mentality and commitment.

It's a shame he had a manager instilling the wrong mentality in him and when we got a manager who played to be the best in his position through hard work and application he rejected it and pushed against it.

He needs to move and I'm sorry to say that. Fingers crossed one day he reaches his potential.

For us Gylfi seems a great fit to replace him. Regardless of the price.

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{Ed025's Note - its a bit of a shame really john but your right..

14 Jul 2017 22:27:36
I've been one his biggest believers Ed and I know you've wanted him too to be a success. I suppose it's been highlighted even more with Davies successes this season what the right attitude can get you. Such a shame.

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{Ed025's Note - it is john, local lad does good and all that would make me very proud mate, he has shot himself in the foot if you ask me but i suppose only time will tell..

14 Jul 2017 13:33:33
Slovak side or brann Bergen from Norway. Think it'll be brann. Leading 1-0 from first leg away from home. Tough game because they second in league to rosenborg. Their league has been back playing for a while so they up to speed.

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14 Jul 2017 16:28:19
Yeah good point. Potential banana skin.

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14 Jul 2017 18:08:33
Last time we played Brann we beat them 8-1. So should be nothing to worry about.

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14 Jul 2017 13:22:20
What is it with everyone wanting gylfi? Personally think he's bang average and anything above £20 million is a disgrace!

All that money for a set piece taker! That's all he is, an average footballer who can pick out all 6ft6 of llorente or Mawson when there's a dead ball! And even that is only occasionally.

9 goals from 116 shots and 6 of them were set pieces, and only 12 clear chances created by him from open play all season while averaging less than 1 interception per game, all in all no where near even a 20 million midfielder never mind 50 million! Clearly shows he can't create from open play or press from the front, you know the two main things we are trying to change!

Will be gutted personally if we get him.
All stats from goo.gl/ur1yV

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14 Jul 2017 14:08:03
how about you trust koeman and Walsh I will be very happy if he signs and reading your post you need to stop reading sky sports news.

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14 Jul 2017 14:16:42
cmrob you are welcome to your opinion mate, I have no idea if you go to the game (s) but Sigurson is well up there with the best at dead ball delivery.

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14 Jul 2017 14:28:16
He's a bloody upgrade on Barkley tho.

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14 Jul 2017 17:09:52
Look at his stats over the last 3 seasons they are pretty consistent, the swans were mediocre last season an set up to score from set pieces/ crosses the guy is very good at what he does. If we get another striker that scores from crosses/ corners then we will have two very good alternative options during difficult matches. This is one for RK to decide how much he wants him.

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14 Jul 2017 17:35:34
Pickford picked the ball out of the net more times that he'd have liked last season too. Didn't stop us paying £30million though. Stop analysing players from struggling teams and leave it to the men who know what they are looking for.

Pretty sure Walsh and Koeman have this covered.

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14 Jul 2017 21:53:34
Personally rather keep Barkley than pay £50m for Sigurdson, apart from set pieces don't think he can do what Ross can . I think Ross could be a great player now we've got better attacking players to share his burden and take the pressure off him which some so called evertonians love to put him under! The lads a scouser and a blue!

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{Ed025's Note - that cuts no ice these days im afraid preki, its a dog eat dog world now in professional sport and im afraid thats just the way it is, dont be painting him as saint ross though as he is the main part of the problem, he was offered an amazing deal on fantastic money and chose to refuse it because of nothing more than greed, also his personal life has been clashing with his work and koeman has laid the law down so instead of sorting himself out he has sulked like a little kid, he has also been advised poorly by his agents who are looking for a quick buck but he cant see it, i believe he will leave and i wish the guy well christ im from the same area as him wavertree, i hope he gets a decent club and revives his career, i just dont see it as being at everton mate..

15 Jul 2017 03:31:49
Agree ed, he's been a bit ungrateful if you ask me, maybe the reason he wants to leave is that he can't deal with Liverpool life as a local lad, who knows? Where do you drink ed? Been living in Wavertree for a while, prob crossed paths a few times haha.

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{Ed025's Note - i bevvy up in woolton now oli as i moved to gateacre a few years back, i still go down to the cock and bottle and chillies now and again though, it was brilliant on the high street years ago but not so good now mate..

14 Jul 2017 12:10:03
Can I ask for people not to write comments about not caring how much we spend because it's not my money. Every time I see it, it makes me cringe and I actually find it quite disrespectful. We buy the tickets and the shirts and I like to think my money goes towards the players. So just chucking money just because we can, just doesn't sit right with me.
Sorry about the moan but it just niggles me when I read it.

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14 Jul 2017 12:30:36
To be fair Mowfee many years have gone by when supporters have spent their last dime on tickets and shirts with absolutely nothing spent in transfer windows.

We're all investors in the squad one way or another so out of respect for every evertonians patience over the years let them say what they want. And let the money men at the club do the financial stuff. I'd expect they are well rewarded for it.

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14 Jul 2017 12:36:33
I think all of our buys have been fantastic. I see no wasted money.

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14 Jul 2017 13:28:37
With the greatest respect Mowfee, you can't ask people not to air their opinion because you don't like it. Again, with respect, I disagree with you. Because fans spend a few hundred quid a year, they think that they have some form of right to know where and how the money is spent. Gate and Merch revenue is a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of Pounds, yes billions, that pours in through the coffers.

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14 Jul 2017 13:01:17
You just said it right there toffee ace. Over the years we do spend our hard earned cash and waited" So why be all arrogant about it. I just think it's a childish thing to say.

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14 Jul 2017 13:11:37
I understand your comments and respect that it's your opinion but we are also allowed ours. I don't care about the money being spent because there are far smarter people who are there to do that. We don't know the ins and outs of our finances, as well as what we can and can't afford but they do. I have faith in how the club is being ran. If they are happy to sanction a bid, that's more than enough for me.

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14 Jul 2017 18:42:17
I don't agree that we shouldn't care how much we spend on players. We as Everton fans have always been proud of the way our club has been financially responsible admittedly our finances weren't in the good health they are now but still we should be paying ridiculous money on average players it's that type of behavior that stifles the emerging talent at clubs, just look at Chelsea. Also look at how embarassing it is when you pay a big transfer fee for a player and he turns out to be useless. I am of course talking about the Niasse transfer, We looked a bit amateurish in that transfer dealing, thank god we have people now who have some idea of what they are doing.

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14 Jul 2017 21:21:39
But how can you say that the club is being financially irresponsible Al, when we don't know what money they have at their disposal? I honestly think that the value (or transfer fee) of a player is immaterial these days, as is the sums of money clubs have to spend. I also don't think that we, as laymen so to speak, don't have the faintest idea of what the club should or or shouldn't be paying for a player.

For me, in a nutshell, if you want a player that you think will improve your squad and the player's club doesn't want to sell him, then you have to pay top money for him. I also think that transfer fees and wages should become undisclosed.

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14 Jul 2017 22:09:00
What irritates me is that we fans think we know what a player is worth. How do we even know how much a player should cost. It's arrogant to say a player is only worth so much or not worth so much and think we know more than the people who do it for a living.

We then start bickering over the cost of it and get people saying you can say this and that.

The club can pay whatever they want for any player because they know the exact cost of what that player is worth to our club. Who cares how much he's worth to the other club and how much he's worth to the fans.

If Gylfi is the missing piece that gets us in the CL then he is theoretically worth £120mil because that piece completed the team that got us into the competition and will be worth that amount in revenue.

Ignore all the figures mentioned for players and just look at them for what they offer on the pitch and we've done pretty well this summer. Real quality bought in many areas of the pitch and for me it looks like we've got a pretty competitive team.

I can't wait for the season to start. Turn that frown upside down people.

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{Ed002's Note - John - the answer is down the middle. We avoid talking money as folks get upset - and the transfer fee is of course only part of the cost. I would love to see the Everton fans step back from the money and talk about how players will be used, who will leave and the hopes and dreams. The it is the domain of Ed025. You screw around getting up upset about money and I will interfere. Celebrate where you are and engage with the supporter - Ed025.}

14 Jul 2017 22:37:09
Fair do's. I suppose we all have the club at heart. Frustration can get to the best/ worst of us (Not sure where I Lye in that one haha) .

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15 Jul 2017 10:04:07
Ed002, take a bow!

That's what I'm trying to get at - take a step back from the money and just enjoy what's happening at our club. Talk about what a player is worth in terms of the team, not in pounds shillings and pence. (For the record - I know i'm old, but I don't remember pounds shillings and pence like Ed025 😝)

And BlueJohnUS. Great post mate.

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15 Jul 2017 16:44:32
pierreLeBleu I wasn't saying we were being irresponsible as we aren't signing mediocre player and Mowfee82 my only worry with the money being spent isn't the fact we are spending it, it's What happens if the money stream stops we would be in a situation like leeds were and I don't want anything to jeapodize the future of my beloved Blues.
I know this scenario isn't likely to happen but you never know in football.

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14 Jul 2017 11:06:40
Hi ed any news on a striker or the left back come cb from Ajax? Looks like martina is done and sigurdson imminent so that's us done then once we get striker and left footed defender.

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{Ed025's Note - i think we are waiting on giroud,s position to become clearer on the striker front jipster, riederwald looks headed to palace mate..

14 Jul 2017 11:15:51
Sky Sports believe that West Ham isn't Giroud's preferred destination. Would that be us, or Marseille? Or anyone elsw?

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{Ed025's Note - hoping its us hugo, fearing its marsielle mate..

14 Jul 2017 11:31:16
France international, choice of Merseyside or Cotes de Azure, sadly I think you will be right Ed.

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14 Jul 2017 11:41:06
Very true, RiB.

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14 Jul 2017 16:31:39
I'd be happy with Giroud but surely the Hernadez rumour is appealing? over a goal every other game in a tough league, prem experience too. Half the price if paper talk to be believed.

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14 Jul 2017 07:39:52
I think it's the Europa League draw today which involves us. We get to find out which fixture produces the winner that we will next play - if that makes any sense. Games played in two weeks time.

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14 Jul 2017 11:13:30
Draw is at 12.

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13 Jul 2017 23:58:30
Looking forward to seeing Everton reserves play next season. Living on teeside means I ain't to far from stadium of light. Never seen a team with so many current and ex Everton players in it. Mcgeedy and James Vaughan signed today. Fingers crossed that they come in for niasse.

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