Everton Banter Archive January 14 2018

 

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14 Jan 2018 23:12:02
Can anybody tell me what does Walsh actually do?
To date I have seen no "gems" brought in. So what are we paying him to do?

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15 Jan 2018 00:09:24
Gana Gueye.

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15 Jan 2018 01:02:48
I'm sure 90+% of his gems are long game gems. A few years time we will see his influence.

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15 Jan 2018 12:42:54
So two years down the road and we have Gueye. Impressive.
The kings new clothes come to mind for some reason?

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15 Jan 2018 12:48:33
Is it 2 years? Maths not your strong point matey.

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14 Jan 2018 22:40:44
As has been pointed out by many, we have lost our best players, only to be replaced with inferior players, any players of worthy mention are now past it, the kids we have are learning from inferior players, none of which would get into a top four team, even top six maybe?, when i watch the top flight teams its scary just how far away we are from that level, seems to have widened from five or six years ago, and there lies the problem, the players we have are just miles off what we need to compete with top four, and all those who call for big sams head, i put it to you, who could get this inferior bunch, with exception to 4/ / 5 players, who could manage and get that team challenging for top 6? We have not got one player who scares defences and keeps them occupied allowing others to maybe poach a goal, and i'm sure every team now look at us as three points or at worst a draw, so let's get a couple of class signings then we can point the finger at the manager, after all we have blamed martinez, kouman, unsie now sam, we can't blame the players if they are not good enough, just replace them for players who are.

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14 Jan 2018 23:36:37
Remind me who buys the players?

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14 Jan 2018 23:47:09
Exactly niko.

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15 Jan 2018 09:05:19
Who does buy the players? As in choosing them. The better players in this current squad were in the main bought by Moyes. Martinez and Koeman have bought a load of duffers in my view. I saw Swans post listing Gueye as a gem. without wanting to sound argumentitive just for the sake of it. what does Gueye bring us. He came into a side when originally signed that was doing ok. He looked pretty good. But in recent months. yes he steps in to make a tackle and then squares it to Schneids. Gueye occasionally runs with it (but not often) and has provided hardly any goals or assists. Whilst some of his tackles are good and he does step in well at times, he is by no means a complete player. fyi 89 appearences. 2 goals. 24 wins. 71 shots. 13 on target. 18% accuracy. Big chance smissed = 2. Big chances created = 2. Through balls 5. Tackles 355. Duels won 679. Duels lost 473. I would say that makes a reasonable defensive player. not a brilliant one.

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14 Jan 2018 22:39:32
Ed, can you please try and enlighten me on something please.
It seems everyone is blaming Koeman for all the 'horrendous' signings he made (although I don't necessarily think they're bad, maybe unnecessary) . Already, unfairly, blaming Sam for everything (I'm not a fan either mind) . But is it not Walsh in charge of all players coming and goings? Are the managers just told to 'work' with what they've got available? What does whoever the manager is have to do? Is it just pick the team and tactics and tell the coaches what training to do?
Does Walsh not have a lot to answer for? Isn't he in charge of recruitment? Isn't he recruiting the managers as well? He seems to have quite a high input considering Bill and Moshiri both wanted other managers and Walsh got Sam?
If, like fans are saying or hoping, and we get rid of Sam in the summer and get someone more 'high profile', won't we still be in the same situation with Walsh seemingly doing what he want and whoever is the manager having to make do with wjat he has to hand?

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{Ed002's Note - It is a joint decision.}

14 Jan 2018 23:21:14
How joint is it? Have they both got to agree? Does Walsh have a bigger input? If a new manager is appointed, could they say they wouldn't want to work with a director of football?

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{Ed002's Note - A new manager would not go anywhere if they were to say they don’t want to work with DoF. The damage has been done in appointing him.}

15 Jan 2018 07:23:53
Don't know about a joint decision I think the lads on the pitch have been having a few joints before the games a couple of them excluded, massive kick up the rear or that's the door shut it on your way out if you don't buck your ideas up.

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15 Jan 2018 10:00:38
Think I have to agree with you ed. Bin him sharpish. Ni good having a 'possibly' good team in 5 years time if we can't do anything now. Unfortunately Walsh has not been finding the Mahrez, Vardy, Drogba or Essien. Think he's even got the credit for Gana Gueye but wasn't that before him.

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14 Jan 2018 22:30:46
Trying to put a finger on what exactly has gone wrong with Everton is like trying to knit fog. Is it all down to the transfer debacle orchestrated by RK and Co? Not replacing one man, namely Lukaku didn't help, but why has that had such a detrimental effect on the whole squad? Was bringing Shrek back a mistake? The answer could be yes to all of the above, but surely there's more to it than that? It's getting to the point when I long for the good old days under Moyes, and that's sad.

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14 Jan 2018 23:39:36
Left mid and left back would solve a big chunk of the problems we are having. Also play Siggy in the centre, he’s not a bloody winger.

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14 Jan 2018 18:57:53
I think it's a horrendous attitude from those calling for Big Sam to be sacked already. And why do people keep reffering to premiership survival being needed?
Yes its an awful season so far but i'm 99% sure we're safe from relegation so please strike that from your moans. Also, SA has only had a few weeks. He will do what he can with what he's got, and if we're lucky to get some new bodies in then we can assess him fairly from then on.
It looks to me like 7th could steal a Europa spot like last year and we are in a great position to challenge for that so why can't everyone get behind the team and hope for a much improved end to the season.

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14 Jan 2018 19:35:42
I certainly don't want him sacked mid season Worcester EFC but I have to disagree that we are safe. Far from it.

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14 Jan 2018 19:46:16
I'm with you Smit666 we are far from safe and no point sacking him now but he should definitely be let go in the summer if things don't improve I thought our football was bad under Roberto and Koeman but Jesus this is bad I genuinely believe we are the least attractive team to watch it's shocking.

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14 Jan 2018 19:53:43
Great position to challenge for 7th get real the sooner we hit 40 points the better.

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14 Jan 2018 19:58:27
and I think its horrendous for people to think we are safe, NO WAY mate.

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14 Jan 2018 20:16:55
this is unreal from the comments, we are much closer to 7th than 18/ 19/ 20 yet relegation is a distinct possibilty but pushing for 7th is completely unrealistic.
I think some of you guys are desperate to moan rather than support the team.

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14 Jan 2018 20:20:05
I'm with you on that one GB we are far from being safe. Still need a minimum of 13 points for safety.

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14 Jan 2018 20:42:45
Same here Smit, Guernsey and Grumpy we are far from safe and sacking Sam is definitely not the answer, and definitely can't see us challenging for 7th as your stating Worcester that would put us in the same predicament as this season anyway starting the season in July. Let's just get a settled team get points and take it from there.

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14 Jan 2018 20:49:45
ditto mate at least.

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14 Jan 2018 21:04:26
We are closer to 18th in our playing quality than we are to 7th.

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14 Jan 2018 21:31:21
Have you watched any of our matches? We are getting worse as each game goes buy. Of course we could get relegated. Is that what I want just to get Shot of Sam? No. I would love him to be a success, because then the teams a success. But he’s not and we’re not.

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14 Jan 2018 23:03:19
The arrogance of fans thinking we are safe are the reason this club is going nowhere.

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15 Jan 2018 09:15:40
if you think we're safe you need to go look at the table mate, two points clear of west ham are they safe?

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14 Jan 2018 17:49:19
Just been reading Big Sam will make the team watch the video of yesterdays debackle, good on you Sam.

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14 Jan 2018 17:53:01
I hope he watches it himself!

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14 Jan 2018 18:00:10
He should make them watch the Liverpool verses City game as well. Have to say the Liverpool players showed what energy, aggression, determination and passion can do against on what is on paper a superior team. We lacked all of these attributes against Spurs.

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14 Jan 2018 18:16:14
we can only dream of playing like that at the mo mate.

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14 Jan 2018 18:57:44
I would have expected players and manager to watch a video following every game they’ve played in so that good point can be highlighted and mistakes can be identified to work on during training. Or don't I live in the real world.

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14 Jan 2018 21:32:41
Like they will be interested.

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14 Jan 2018 21:48:05
I agree GB. They should do it regularly imo. Telling players were they went wrong is one thing if they bother to listen, but actually highlighting the errors and suggesting ways to improve can only be a good thing. And any player who gets the hump over it doesn't deserve to be called Pro and doesn't deserve to wear the shirt.

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14 Jan 2018 16:18:14
I am 61 years old and I have never seen a worst everton team we have become a Stoke or a wba no ambition anymore a manager who would rather win pounds than trophies a majority share holder than an outright owner knewright is still in control with his cronies holding 51% of the shares meaning every decision is voted on with his controlling of the situation I am in despair we must get this man out of the club and get a dynamic new regime in instead of the dinosaurs that still run it if we don't bramley Moore will be a distant memory while we will not be in the premier league also.

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14 Jan 2018 16:30:26
Agee mate, 100%, there is big problems at the club, but a lot carnt see it here?

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14 Jan 2018 18:12:29
Moshri is in control. The non Moshri shareholders will include many, perhaps even hundreds of small shareholders. Trying to get them together never mind to act in a concerted manner would be like trying to herd cats.

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14 Jan 2018 18:18:35
Alan, we have had worst teams from an ability viewpoint but never had a team that is so lacking in passion. Someone needs to remind the team and the management about what our motto stands for.

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14 Jan 2018 18:37:41
Glenn if you think moshiri is in control why is allerdyce in place. All the time after koeman went he talked about a foreign coach being next yet we went cap in hand to a man who was 4th or 5th choice stinks of kenwright and his moyes syndrome get in a fire fighter well he will have to start fire fighting for the next 15 games because this is going to get pretty close the way things are going Alan c.

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14 Jan 2018 19:28:00
In my opinion Moshri is a front man. Even if we concede that it was his own money that bought the shared, he is sn investor not a footballing man. As such the spectre of relegation and the consequent diminution in the value of that investment would allow him to be persuaded that a fireman was the way to protect that investment.

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14 Jan 2018 19:44:35
Moshiri owns 49.9%. There are a small amount of shares that were lost in the Blitz which will never be recovered. It is therefore physically impossible to own more than 49.9% which makes Moshiri the major shareholder.

But if we’re talking whether or not he is in control behind the scenes then just look at the improvements in investment mentioned at the last AGM, or the prospect of having a 1/ 2 billion pound state of the art stadium.

I’d rather not suggest that what happens on the pitch is Kenwrights or Moshiris fault. But happily point my finger toward those trusted with player recruitment and team selection. Then finally the players themselves.

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14 Jan 2018 22:55:44
Shares cannot have been lost in the Blitz. Certificates may have been but the company keeps a register of shareholders and would issue duplicates.

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15 Jan 2018 02:47:47
Glennk, the club recognises that they cannot, despite attempts to, talk to each shareholder because of shares lost during the Blitz. Nowadays yes you can have lost certificates reissued. But that’s not always possible especially if the shareholder has passed. This is the case with some shares in the club. They are lost and unrecoverable despite the attempts from the club to reach out to them. And the club refer to shares lost during the Blitz and shareholders passed being the reasons.

Farhad Moshiri at 49.9% is to all intents and purposes the majority shareholder simply because no one can achieve owning the rest.

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14 Jan 2018 15:30:02
Maybe we need to be more boring - Allardyce, WTF

I would accept boring football if we where winning Sam, its the worst football I have ever seen from us, so will we be going for a 0-0 at home against West Brom now?

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14 Jan 2018 15:39:26
Watch the whole thing properly, he is fuming with the players, clearly stating he thought they understood there defensive duties and was starting to move forward. Now he feels he needs to take a step back and make them understand again. Man is not happy with there performance as much as we are.

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14 Jan 2018 15:39:55
More boring bring a pillow to goodison.

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14 Jan 2018 15:52:15
What about the subs he made mate? was he shutting up shop? we where 2/ 3 nil down?

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14 Jan 2018 16:23:14
if he keeps us up he will get a ridiculously large bonus so will now settle for 0 0 every game from now on but try to convince us/ the media and dress it up that he's doing it because we need to go back to basics. Prepare for George Graham style til the end of the season.

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14 Jan 2018 16:04:22
Agree, we where getting stuffed, we should of just went for it a bit more. Can only think at how easy it was going for them he went for damage limitations, but that me guessing. I personally say let’s go for it at 2/ 3 down, nothing to lose. Maybe Sam looks at it different and doesn’t want to go home 6/ 7 down and confidence shattered. Again just me guessing. But his interview and what he said which is what your on about mate he is not a happy man with the playing staff, that’s were that comment comes from.

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14 Jan 2018 16:46:49
have a go when we are two or three down? Would rather us have a go when it's still 0-0 myself.

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14 Jan 2018 16:48:11
Dithering Dave and WHU will be above us by the end of Jan. Even Roy Hodgson and Eddie Howe will give it a crack. Why because they can at least play some attacking football. BS will save us but never ever win anything nor get us in the top 4-6. I hope the board have their feelers out now for his replacement.

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14 Jan 2018 16:04:22
Agree, we where getting stuffed, we should of just went for it a bit more. Can only think at how easy it was going for them he went for damage limitations, but that me guessing. I personally say let’s go for it at 2/ 3 down, nothing to lose. Maybe Sam looks at it different and doesn’t want to go home 6/ 7 down and confidence shattered. Again just me guessing. But his interview and what he said which is what your on about mate he is not a happy man with the playing staff, that’s were that comment comes from.

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14 Jan 2018 16:54:18
We did have a go, we got destroyed, talking about subs made, rather than going all out attack it was more like for like is what drug is pointing out, went a bit more shut up shop.
If we went all out from the start we would have been took to school big time by spuds.

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14 Jan 2018 18:15:36
We had a go? Missed that bit.

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14 Jan 2018 18:44:40
Glenna that’s how crap we are, what bit of that did you miss?

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14 Jan 2018 18:45:48
What do people really see in our players on here? Do you really see a team that competes with spuds, chitie or manua?

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14 Jan 2018 23:04:12
Nothing to do with the players, we all know the players aren’t good enough, that still doesn’t excuse Sam’s tactics.

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14 Jan 2018 23:04:15
Don’t even see a team BS.

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14 Jan 2018 15:24:25
im normally negative, but let's give sam a chance to stabalise the team. we got some good players and some below standard, i'm sure sam knows this. let's give him at least to 2019,rome wasnt built in a day. the thing is, that money that was spent the fans were/ are expecting top 4/ 6,lets be relistic it was never going to happen. yes we below par but not far off that 6/ 7 spot. i beleive big sam will get us breaking into the top 6 next season. let him build everton into that kind of side.2 transfer markets and some good players to come back. sack big sam to quick and we go back another 6 months to a year.

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14 Jan 2018 16:26:33
Sensible post mate.

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14 Jan 2018 15:23:12
And now they've won. Had more shots in that game than we've had all season.

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14 Jan 2018 15:34:40
No sanchez, no ozil for Arsenal. bounmouth are a quick fairly well balanced team that perform well at home and beat us there as well. So what has that got to do with Everton and our current situation? Cause Bournemouth play that way all of a sudden we should have got the capability to play that way? I just don’t get what these post achieve.

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14 Jan 2018 16:42:25
Simple when your at home play an attacking line and play to win, regardless of who you are playing. We're talking about Bournemouth . And your saying we are not good enough to do what they do. Joke.

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14 Jan 2018 23:44:58
The same bounmouth that beat us?

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14 Jan 2018 15:17:11
Spot on wakka.

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14 Jan 2018 15:01:30
Now it's 2-1 Bournemouth. And there still attacking.

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14 Jan 2018 14:55:54
Oh and now they've scored.

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14 Jan 2018 14:55:04
Watching Bournemouth playing Arsenal, and yes they are losing 0-1. But playing total attacking football. Even the centre backs are going forward. Very entertaining game, enjoyable to watch. How can we have got it so wrong.

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14 Jan 2018 15:26:27
Always liked Eddie howe good up and coming young manager.

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14 Jan 2018 14:23:01
Let's face it Everton FC in respect to the management and recruitment policies have put the club in this position!
We have allowed so many players to age and still rely on them without any future plan on their replacements.
If you look at the top 4 or 5 clubs even when they have top players in a position they are always recruiting a back up that will not only be a quality replacement in the case of injury but will push for that position themselves.
We have relied on to many youngsters to fill gaps and there is a lot of pressure on them at this level. Many of them should in fact be used like Dowell and enjoy some regular football and a chance to develop at a slightly lower level.
Martina was bought in on a free but he could not get a kick at Southampton so why would anybody think he would be good enough for Everton, NSNO I believe sums that up.
Again like managers before we have this Rooney v Siggy issue for gods sake play players in their natural and best position and not just to accommodate them because of their reputation. Siggy is our record signing so give him the 10 position you can bring Rooney off the bench but use natural wide players where they are needed!

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{Ed025's Note - i canmt ague with any of that wakka..good post mate..

14 Jan 2018 14:39:19
Good post as usual mate.

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14 Jan 2018 15:06:20
Good post Wakka. I would have Rooney deeper in centre mid, a position which has been taken by Schneiderlin up until this week (god knows why) .
We need creativity so why not have Rooney or Vlasic and keep Gana/ mccarthy as the DMF.

We are now facing a vacuum of buying good young prospects who are too young to throw in but have a team full of ageing players.
Steve Walsh has a lot to answer for.

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14 Jan 2018 15:42:19
Got to agree smit mate, we need more of the in between them ages players 24-30s.

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14 Jan 2018 16:11:20
Waka I think we are also suffering from when we had no money, that effected our transfer dealings as well, remember we only had the new prem money for 2/ 3 seasons and that just meant we were not running in the red with a bit to spare, FM has only been at the club a year as well. Dowell is a success atm, but almost our youngsters are sent out, just not getting the playing time or the rave reviews of Dowell. But yes with our current recruitment is dreadful by all accounts.

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14 Jan 2018 16:11:20
Waka I think we are also suffering from when we had no money, that effected our transfer dealings as well, remember we only had the new prem money for 2/ 3 seasons and that just meant we were not running in the red with a bit to spare, FM has only been at the club a year as well. Dowell is a success atm, but almost our youngsters are sent out, just not getting the playing time or the rave reviews of Dowell. But yes with our current recruitment is dreadful by all accounts.

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14 Jan 2018 13:27:30
Grumpys Sunday moan and groan.

I got to admit for the first half of the week these forums were starting to look refreshing, they were alive with some great posts regarding transfers, formations and the game of football.

Some great posts were written, some humorous, some factual whilst others were blunt and to the point. Another positive is that some posters who swore never to support Everton whilst Sam is in charge, have returned, I am more than happy with this and welcome them back with open arms.

One thing that was noticeable in the posts from the first half of the week, is that the posters were avoiding the subject of Sam. I think this was a good thing, because it is that subject that has divided these forums like no other. Some of the Sam posts were starting to become very toxic, and at times personal attacks were being made from both the anti Sam and pro Sam camps.

How long did this truce last? I hear you all say, Well how does 4 days sound? Yes 4 whole days. On Thursday a couple of anti Sam posters mentioned his name in replies to posts that had nothing to do with him, by Friday the same people had progressed from answering posts to writing new anti Sam threads.

Now this is the part that confuses me, why are people writing these new threads knowing how volatile the subject matter is? I could accept it if something new was bought to the table, but nothing is, it is the same stuff time and time again.

The only reason I can put it down to is that some people enjoy nothing else but to provoke others. Most of us are guilty of this to a much lesser degree, we all enjoy winding each other up at times and enjoy the banter these forums have to offer, what most of us do not do is to rekindle subject matter that has already turned toxic and has already proven that it can lend itself to personal attacks within these forums.

Some negative posts actually hold water and are very credible, they are debated, people either agree or disagree, and they make for some good reading. What does not make for good reading is when a new thread is made covering the same negativity that has been covered in 50 previous threads.

cya Next Sunday for a new moan from Grumpy.

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14 Jan 2018 14:33:30
With you there Grumpy, when a mans got to moan a man got to moan mate, i too like a good chin wag on here and most of it is fine but I also draw the line on toxic stuff no need for it, at the end of the day mate we all want what is best for Everton Football Club, so let's get behind Big Sam and hopefully we can get out of this mess that the previous managers have left us in sooner rather than later, cheers mate hows the foot by the way.

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14 Jan 2018 16:09:05
100% agree GB, shame some people take it too far.

The foot has not been too bad up until last night. It's starting to play up a little today, I think I over done things on Friday mate. Very sore now.

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14 Jan 2018 16:09:05
100% agree GB, shame some people take it too far.

The foot has not been too bad up until last night. It's starting to play up a little today, I think I over done things on Friday mate. Very sore now.

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14 Jan 2018 11:55:24
Following on from another post about wo to keep next season. I would say that the only players worth keeping are as follows:
Pickford, Keane, Coleman, Baines, Gueye, Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Rooney, Tosun (can't comment yet) and all of the youngsters who have featured this season (Holgate, Kenny, Davies, Baningime, Lookman, Vlasic, DCL) . The U23s I will reserve judgement on, but certainly based on his performances on loan this season I would include Dowell in this list, as I believe he has a role to play for us next season.

Obviously we can't get rid of about 15 players, so we need to look at who needs to go and who still has a role to play.

For me, first team wise I would be happy to see Schneiderlin (attitude) , Mirallas (attitude) , Besic (injuries) , Martina (crap) , Lennon (sadly, but there are better players in his position) , Niasse (worth cashing in) and one of Jagielka or Williams (age) .

The rest of the players I haven't mentioned fall into the 'meh' category. I wouldn't be that bothered if they went but they could have something to offer (some of them have either shown something decent in the past e. g. McCarthy, others haven't had much of a chance yet e. g. Klaassen, Sandro) .

What does everyone else think?

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14 Jan 2018 13:26:22
Keep:
Pickford
Coleman
Holgate
Jagielka
Kenny
Beningame
Vlasic
Bolasie
Lookman
DCL
Tosun
Sigurdsson
Rooney
Gueye
Davies

Sell:
Williams
Keane
Baines
McCarthy
Schneiderlin
Sandro
Klaassen
Lennon
Niasse
Besic
Mirallas
Martina

Get rid of the crap ones but also get rid of the outhouses who never turn up. I like Lennon but we need better and the rest can go because they are always injured, they are finished or they are garbage. Need a complete change in the squad and I hope Allardyce isn’t the one making them.

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{Ed025's Note - but besides that you are happy right?.. :)

14 Jan 2018 13:31:33
Chuffed ed 😂.

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{Ed025's Note - you sound it swan mate..

14 Jan 2018 14:13:18
Agree with Blue Tommy and Swan.
Even before yesterday's disastrous performance you have to look at the squad and say what needs to be in place by the time Big Sam's contract ends.
As much as bringing the right people in, it's as much as moving the wrong people out.
Agree with their groups, I would presume most supporters would.
The only difference is I think Baines is as good as finished and Rooney is heading that way like an express train.
Everyone can't go at once so over the next 4 transfer windows (length of Sam's contract) , we need to prioritise the most awful to go first and gradually work thru the list.
At the same time we have to integrate the good young players, buy focused and, with better quality than we replace, talented players and hopefully make steps, not leaps to improve.
This window we should get another 3 in, of the right type and in the areas we already have mentioned, and every window look at about another 4 quality with the additional young prospects, like the lad from Charlton.

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{Ed025's Note - it looks like a massive rebuilding job to me YG, its not an easy fix and we will have to suck it up for quite a while, sam was not my choice i admit but i honestly cant see any manager doing any better in the short term mate..

14 Jan 2018 14:47:29
Agree Ed.
Sam wouldn't have been high up on my wishlist too but we weren't in a good position at the time.
To me, this is where Walsh earns his salary. Every club that changes managers frequently ends up with a hotch-potch of a squad.
This is where signing players with the right attitude counts.
I think Walcott comes into that category, Schneiderlin doesn't.
We don't need badge kissers but we need pros who work hard, listen to instruction and give their all.
Niasse is like that, will never be even a good player but you can't criticise him for effort.

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14 Jan 2018 14:49:07
Id keep baines sneiderlin and keane.

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{Ed025's Note - none of them for me mate..

14 Jan 2018 14:49:35
Forget Jags and Rooney, both will be too old and slow by ext season.

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{Ed025's Note - or this season TBH..

15 Jan 2018 08:09:15
Think people are being a bit unfair on Keane. He's young enough to bounce back from this season. Worth keeping for another season.

I stand by what I said before, you can't let too many players go at once because it's difficult to buy quality replacements. For example if you get rid of Baines then we need to buy 2 left backs.

Of the players I've suggested to sell, most of them have replacements already at the club. If we sold Schneiderlin and Besic we have Gana, McCarthy, Davies and Baningime for that position. Mori should come back to take up the squad role if we sell one of the aging centre backs. Martina is so awful we could put a mop at left back and it would be an improvement, so he can be replaced by a youngster (maybe Robinson? ) If Mirallas and Lennon go then we still have Bolasie, Lookman, Vlasic and Dowell (but can add another winger such as Walcott) . Niasse will need to be replaced by a top class striker as I doubt that Tosun is a 20 goal a season man at Premier League level.

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14 Jan 2018 11:53:07
before ED02 says I'm paranoid ha ha some things that annoyed me yesterday about the ref and his assistant in the first half Dembele and Kane should of definitely been booked and I even said he would book the next Everton player step up Jags (who shouldn't of been booked by the way) then we have the assistant ref (ha ha don't make me laugh he is a linesman) who in the first half couldn't keep his flag down then within 2 mins of the second half he has it weighed down by concrete and I'm not saying that's why we lost as we were terrible but no wonder no English Ref is going to Russia for the World cup they are terrible.

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14 Jan 2018 12:16:58
If you look at the LINESMANS position when he dissalowed Rooneys goal he was 5 yards behind play.

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14 Jan 2018 13:10:55
he was correct though with Rooney as he was offside and there was a few occasions yesterday when he gave offside against us and I'm not sure they where it's just annoying how poor they are I'm guessing his arm was sore from the first half and that's why he allowed the goal to stand.

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14 Jan 2018 14:51:02
Both there first and second goals would have been offside had that clown just stepped up.

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14 Jan 2018 10:47:25
Having read the reaction to last night in all areas it is unreal how far so many of 'our' fans go in their complete overreaction.

Firstly we are dire and as I've posted before the 14 clubs outside the top four are equally bad. One week we beat West Ham 4 the next we get beat by Bournemouth. It's the way it goes and sadly we are in the thick of the mediocrecy (Generous) .

It's tough to accept and who wants to?

We have a full first team squad to overhaul (almost) , It's going to take time. God knows if Sam can be the man but by god we ALL need to get behind this club as the continued sterile atmosphere isn't helping.

4pts from the next two games abd then what. we're on the cusp of challenging for Europe again! Or that's what 'some' will say by overreacting in the opposite way.

Time for perspective and support the club which based on this weeks AGM is working hard to bridge a gap to that top 6 which has grown bigger through this season.

Ps Only 1 game of SA stewardship I've thought the result (and I mean result) was a genuine disappointment/ unexpected = Bournemouth away.

COYB.

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14 Jan 2018 11:02:32
Best post on here for ages. Reality check needed and common sense (not common these days) .

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14 Jan 2018 11:45:00
Very good post Oumar, I try and not post straight after the game as my emotions are everywhere I try and take stock then compose myself, there are so many problems with us at the moment:-
*Rooney slows the play down.
*Sig should be our number 10 down the middle
*We need a left back asap
*No shots on target (again)
*Last night's substitutions
*Having Schneiderlin anywhere near the team.
There are probably a lot more to mention but there are good points but not many only 2 ish :-
*Tosun (though needs service)
*Pickford future England number 1 (though has to put up with our defence)
We have WBA next in my eyes a must win game not because of relegation worries but just to see if the team reacts to last night's defeat, very worried about Sam's comments about going back to being boring we can't get anymore boring.
I think by the end of friday we need a left back in (not holding my breath) let's see what happens lads sorry about the long winded post just hate reading some comments when all we really want is the best Everton we can.

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14 Jan 2018 12:27:15
Good posts lads.

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14 Jan 2018 10:43:21
Notice some of my main critics are softening their views towards my opinion, Big Sam quote" Perhaps we should be more boring" boring like me.

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14 Jan 2018 13:31:59
This is an Everton site mate, not an ego site for you.

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14 Jan 2018 13:40:53
Smoke watch the mans interviews after the games, he is clearly upset at the players as they are not doing as instructed. Man has still only added 1 player and shipped out 2 that wanted out. Open you mind and read what most reasonable posters are saying, we all have a similar opinion, the team is in need of a big overhaul that is atleast 2-3 windows for the first team and up to 5 windows to add the quality in depth, depending on how the kids progress that is. No caveman response of sack Sam now. Funny how all these responses are from the same people that wrote him off from day one. Everyone needs to back the man and the team, cause vile fans will impact performances look at the carry on when Martinez and Koeman were wanted out, we don’t need players going like that again when we are not safe. I don’t think he the type of manager to allow that but it’s the last thing we need.

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14 Jan 2018 14:00:03
Good post's Swan and BeStyme.

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14 Jan 2018 14:51:49
Absolutely spot o swan.

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14 Jan 2018 09:30:20
So when are we going to see a LB?

Our transfer team seem to be making the same mistakes all over again.
Our priorities for this window were a No 9 and a LB, which one we got 1st shouldn't matter as our need for both was the same.
Now we finally have our No 9 we need to get our foot down and get one in.
Walcott as much as I want him should not be the priority over a LB, I can only think that Sam doesn't think Garbutt is prem quality otherwise he would be in the squad. I'm not buying the excuse that he hasn't had time to assess him, if he's as good a manager as he thinks, assessing him should have been high on the list considering we have no LB at the club.

Now we have our No 9 sort it out Sam. Siggy as our 10. Rooney either next to Gana or McCarthy or on the bench. Bolasie and Lennon/ Lookman on the wings. And if any of them don't turn up again in a game have some b**ls and bench them and stick someone fresh in.

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14 Jan 2018 09:50:47
Best post I've read on here for a while. absolutely spot on.

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14 Jan 2018 11:50:18
Unfortunately it seems obvious to everyone but those who actually can do anything about it.

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14 Jan 2018 17:54:59
Hit the nail on the head smit.

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14 Jan 2018 09:25:26
When we win which is not verry often the manager gets the praise so when we get beat don't start blaming the players it's manager who is to blame not bothered if it's his team or not and if he needs time just like all the other managers who also need time . you can't praise the manager when we play well and win and then Blair the players when we play terrible. Stop making excuses it's down to the management full stop.

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14 Jan 2018 10:34:58
I agree Skylark.

I do however feel for big Sam as he done what the fans wanted. He put out an attacking team. So no matter what he does he is wrong. Put out a defensive team its boring football or put out an attacking team which is in reality just not good enough to do that yet and we get what happened yesterday.

I wouldn't write him off yet. The next 2 games will be very telling. He has to get good results from both. There is no excuses if he doesn't.

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14 Jan 2018 12:19:34
Im not sure he put out an over attacking team NBTB. He kind of made a half hearted attempt at an attacking team.
He needs to figure out what he wants to achieve.
I wouldn't mind if he sits 10 behind the ball against the top 6 and draws 3 and loses 3 as long as when we play the lesser sides he goes out to try and win.
He is getting more stick than he should, mainly because his tactics were wrong in the Bournemouth and west Brom games. If we'd have beaten them 2 and lost to man u and Tottenham he would still been regarded as the saviour.

Our next 2 games could well decide his fate in the summer.

I agree with Skylark, our team selection, tactics and training all come from him and that is where I feel the problem lies. His team selections are getting better but his subs aren't. And if he feels the team he selects won't do what he asks them to do when they are in the game, then why hasn't he rotated the subs bench and given Vlasic, Klassen and Sandro chances to come on and show the others how to carry out his instructions.

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14 Jan 2018 13:47:31
And SA even admits in his interviews that they don’t seem to be able to do as instructed, I think a lot will be moved on. But agree with lots said, what we must remember is we don’t see what goes on in training and what is said between player and manager behind closed door that influence his on field desisions.

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14 Jan 2018 14:28:45
Bestyrne. That is 2 managers that have said the team won't do what they are being told. Maybe these managers needed to give the likes of Klassen, Vlasic, Sandro, Davies, lookman and Baningime a game or two. These are young men who have come here to play for this great club, if they're worse than the ones being picked then at least we'll know we have a massive problem but from the flashes we have seen from Baningime, Lookman and Vlasic they at least should be on the bench.

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14 Jan 2018 15:21:39
Smit safety then experiment imo for this season mate. Agree with you after that then let them loose. But I’ve said before we don’t know what goes on or is said behind closed doors with these youngsters, if Lookman being homesick is to be believed then this would not contribute to not putting him in the firing line at such a young age? It’s proven that throwing youngsters in at the wrong time can effect there progress just as much as help them progress. I wouldn’t just take such a risk just yet. You mention Klassen and Sandro, if they are getting bullied in training and not keeping pace in training, then because they want to play for our great club you would pick them? Not looking to argue, just pointing out that if they no good in training what makes you think they be better in a competitive game?

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14 Jan 2018 09:24:43
As others have said now the congested Christmas period is over the extra time between games trying to work things out on the training pitch could be beneficial. We need game plans/ strategies and above all discipline discipline discipline. And if that means watching previous games to work out where things went wrong so the same mistakes aren't repeated so be it. That goes for Sam and his staff too re tactics/ personnel. Things have to improve. They just have to.

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14 Jan 2018 10:05:58
BigH I was hoping that if either Dyche or Alardyce came in we would have precisely that. Play were you are put, don't follow the ball like a bunch of School Kids, if the system isn't working the guy (s) on the side should have the nounce to sort it out. All the old School adages are as true today as they were then. If in doubt put it out, don't pass across the box (defence) . All these modern day theories are just that. Give the goalkeeper options by all means but what is all this crap about the two fullbacks always running out to the flanks, mix it up .

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14 Jan 2018 09:20:02
Surely Garbutt should've been registered as soon as the window opened, natural left back deserves a go ahead of Martina.

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14 Jan 2018 11:38:01
Unless there’s a realistic option in the market that will need to be brought in instead. No need to rush as things change quickly in January. I can see the sense in waiting until end of the window.

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14 Jan 2018 09:06:48
I can't believe some of the comments on here. Yes, we have been awful, and yes, we are all hurting. However having a go at every player under the sun doesn't help matters.

Rooney has become the new whipping boy, and what you need to remember is that without his goals we would be in the bottom 3 right now. One post even blamed him for games over Christmas that he didn't even feature in due to illness!

Armchair managers calling for Lookman and others to play. A minute of skill every game doesn't mean he deserves to start every week.

I do think personally we should have paid whatever it took to get Sean Dyche. He looks like the real deal to me. Fonseca and Silva are just a couple in the mould of Martinez, and would probably have sent us down.

Realistically our expectations need to be lowered drastically, as we are dire. Short term, we need to tighten the defence up and get a few shots on target every game (can't believe I actually had to write that) . By the end of season we need to stay up. Moving forward, next seasonwith Sam or a new manager (probably the latter) to stabilise us, get rid of the dead wood and consolidste our position as the 7th best team in the league. Only then can we move forward and look to start pushing for the top 6.

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14 Jan 2018 09:27:18
Or tommy maybe we are all just a bunch of dreamers living in the very distant past we have the worst record home and away against the top 5 we've won one trophy in 32 odd years all the top scorers bag loads of goals against us rush shearer ferdinand lampard Kane maybe we are just like a West ham or west brom there to make up the numbers or maybe we are the glass is half full kind of people who remember how good we were who demand this club be in finals and at the top of the league who spend their hard earned cash every week hoping the glory years will return and who have every right to moan at an underperforming team and manager very long rant over.

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14 Jan 2018 10:35:16
I think there is definitely some element of truth in what you are saying Billy although I think you were a little harsh to call us a West Ham or West Brom as I think overall we have shown a little bit more than them over the last 25 years.

I would say that a lot of this comes down to the age of fans, and what kind of Everton they watched growing up. I'm going to generalise here so I hope nobody takes any individual offence (I am aware that much of what people post comes down to individual attitudes, knowledge of football and whether they've been on the ale or not) .

Some of the oldest posters on here have good views because they have seen it all, good, bad and ugly. They take it in their stride.

Many Posters in their 40's and 50's grew up watching us win titles etc and believe that we should still be doing that now, which is unrealistic.

Young posters on here grew up watching the Moyes era, which while unspectacular was fairly good, we were in and around the top six and had a few good cup runs. They have also unfortunately been brought up believing that money automatically wins you trophies ala Chelsea and Man City, which has made them feel extremely pessimistic about our current predicament.

Aside from the oldest Blues I think that my generation (aged 27-35) have the best perspective. We've seen us good (but not dominant) but also seen us horrendous with the likes of Claus Thomsen and Earl Barrett in the 90s. Therefore we have a realism with a pinch of optimism.

The worst part of this season is that it's the first season in years that we haven't got any excuses (having no money etc) for being so awful. It's just worth putting into perspective.

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14 Jan 2018 11:03:04
Fair point well made tommy I take everyone's view on board as we all know football is about interpretation and opinions.

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14 Jan 2018 08:51:35
Its time to unleash the youth of tomorrow on West Brom at the weekend.
Rooney slows play down and only 1 out of 20 passes comes off, the rest he gives away.
I would play a 4-4-2 at the weekend and go for it from the off.
Pickford
Kenny, Holgate, Williams, Clown
Vlasic, Davies, Sigs, Lookman
DCL Tosun

Without a decent LB the clown has to start although I would consider a back 3 and have a WB there instead, possibly Lennon, with that midfield hopefully the ball travels forwards as all are forward thinking players, just look at Spurs 4th goal yesterday every pass went forward. Kane's offside goal, he was the only man in the box with 4 of our defenders, in fact all their goals came from our left initially shows us were our problem is, so come on then Sam, earn your coin and put a team out of players who like to attack and let's put West Brom to the sword, if you don't then your reputation and name is what it is made out to be, a defence minded manager who is one dimensional in his style of play, which is to bore teams to death and pass it more to Jimmy in the stands then to players on the pitch.

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14 Jan 2018 09:13:31
Rooney will not be dropped in order for Siguurdson to play in the No 10 role it is as simple as that. Successive managers (3 at last count) always play Siguurdson on the left, so they must know something. For me he is wasted because he is constantly coming looking for the ball. Rooney is a good player but as many have said play slows down when he is on the pitch. As for Martina, I give up.

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14 Jan 2018 14:04:48
Ducks you can see what Rooney wants to do, but he just not got the speed from Thinking it, to doing it anymore, which is a shame as he really wants us to do well. Think the prem is too fast for him now. The problem with these managers is that it’s Wayne Rooney, his name alone seems to get him picked. Time to do what the Manc and England managers did and accept he not the same of old. Italy would of been a good place for him to go. In one who never wanted him back, just thought he wouldn’t be good enough and he done nothing to change my mind, although his goals would of been greatly missed.

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14 Jan 2018 08:13:45
There's a lot being said about how Sam has stabilised the team, made us hard to beat, and solid in defence?
But the "football" is dire. We are the worst team in the league to watch. At kick off we lay the ball back to the centre half, who punts it up the pitch and then we get eleven men behind the ball for the rest of the game. Feel sorry for season ticket holders personally.

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{Ed025's Note - we were,nt hard to beat yesterday woburn, in fact we bent over and dropped our kecks..

14 Jan 2018 08:42:43
This is not quite accurate in my view. The first 10 ish games under Koeman we were terrible to watch and lost many points. Then Sam came in and made ushard to beat and we were still terrible to watch. But then we had a run of games that we bent over as Ed says. but those games were mainly against top 6. Sam cannot turn us into a top 6 side after what he was left with. Do people honestly think we would be doing better with Koeman or Martinez? Lukaku covered over so many deficiencies of our squad and now he has gone you can see it. Add in Barkley going, Coleman and Baines out injured as well as Mori. Then the bad signings of replacements. Martinez, Lennon, Scneid, Klaasen. etc. This squad is terrible and top half finish will be an achievement. Since Moyes we have made one astute signing. maybe two if you add in Barry. The rest are bang average to poor.

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14 Jan 2018 09:19:26
Reluctantly because I love this Club, I have to agree with degsyp. I simply do not have a clue what has gone wrong. With a new majority shareholder coming in and a revamp of Staff you would think things would change but from the outside looking in, nothing has changed at all. I am not going to play the blame game because the people that run and are hired by the Club obviously know a lot more about the workings than me. let's see if against West Brom we can begin to put a run together.

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14 Jan 2018 11:11:12
The blame in my view is post Moyes. I said it at the time and too many times since. Martinez signed some terrible players and then one absolute gem. The gem hid some of the terrible signings but now he has gone you can see how poor we are offensively. If you go through our squad and look up the goals of our players throughout their careers, there are not many goals. Wikipedia lists them. Tosun is a good signing. Barry was a good signing (but not for goals) and Lukaku was a fantastic signing. The rest are bang average and you can see that by Jags, Baines, Coleman still first choices after how many years? and they are on their last legs. Then look at players who have left us and how they are doing. Stones at Man City. Fellaini at Utd. Lukaku at Utd. then past players. Graveson at Real Madrid, Arteta at Arsenal. all Moyes good quality signings. compare with Cleverly, Lennon, Niasse, Schneids, Klaasen, Gueye etc. Since Moyes our transfer policy has been crap. or worst!

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14 Jan 2018 13:04:18
Stones at City? Hardly gets a game. Fellaini at Utd? Hardly gets a game. Lukaku? Supporters already turning on the guy. Wouldn't say any of them have been a huge success. Just happen to be at better clubs.

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14 Jan 2018 08:05:18
You know when are people going to start blaming the players aswell they are not doing there job lazy gits the lot of them.

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{Ed025's Note - of course it is the players stef, when we got ourselves relatively safe they took the foot off the gas and thats criminal, it will be interesting to see how sam solves this and it may just determine whether he is the right man or not mate..

14 Jan 2018 08:35:45
Agree 100 percent Ed.

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14 Jan 2018 14:10:32
This is when the manager has to prove himself ed, but there are players there that need moving on cause that attitude of taking the foot of the gas can become can become a contagious attitude that passes from player to player.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

13 Jan 2018 23:37:40
Ed025 - I've written off this season - just waiting to be sure we're not relegated - too many of our players lack the mental strength, let alone the ability, to make us a better team. As a club, we deep down just don't seem to have the self-belief that winners need - we pay lip service, but can't deliver :- (.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that bobby, when sam first came we were up for the fight but now we have tailed off, attitude, attitude, attitude, plus a lot of players that are just not very good mate..

14 Jan 2018 09:21:44
On the lip service you are spot on Bobby, all we hear every week from the players is, this is not good enough, things need to improve and then nada!

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14 Jan 2018 05:24:48
The way people behave (and the abilities they have) are often analysed as being due to either "nature" or "nurture" - i. e. what is inbuilt (instinctive) or what is taught to (or learnt by) them.
With Everton, are the current poor results and poor performances due more to the players' "nature" (they're just not good enough technically, physically, mentally, etc. ) or is it due more to "nurture" (the way they're being coached, organised, motivated, etc. ) ?
Beyond that, it is often said that managers "live or die" by the success of their player recruitment. As well as that, I think that their man-management is just as vital - especially getting the players to "buy in" to the tactics the manager wants to employ (and, crucially, carrying out those tactics properly) .
I guess we'll know better once Allardyce can rebalance (as best as is possible) the squad during this January's transfer window AND has senior players returning from injury AND has the benefit of more time on the training ground (now that we only have one match at most a week for the rest of the season) .

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Premier League Match Preview Sunday 14th January 2018

14 Jan 2018 04:47:54
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Sunday 14th January 2018

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14 Jan 2018 01:24:01
Since Allardyce's first match officially in charge (Huddersfield) , we've had these Premier League fixyures:
Won 3 (Huddersfield, Newcastle, Swansea)
Drawn 3 (Liverpool, Chelsea, WestBrom)
Lost 3 (Bournemouth, ManUtd, Tottenham)
That's 12 points.

During this same time, Marco Silva, who was "flavour of the month" with many Everton fans, has had the following Premier League results with Watford:
Won 1 (Leicester)
Drawn 2 (Tottenham, Southampton)
Lost 6 (Burnley, Palace, Huddersfield, Brighton, Swansea, ManCity)
That's 5 points.

Allardyce will never be liked by many Everton fans, but would Marco Silva (or any "Hollywood" manager) have done any better with the current squad who were left unbalanced, unorganised, unmotivated and bereft of confidence under Koeman?
If we'd got Silva's 5 points - rather than Allardyce's 12 - we'd now be on 20 points vying with Stoke City for 17th/ 18th place and definitely in the relegation mire.
Of course, even being in 9th place with just 27 points means we're not safe, but it's a darn sight better than where we might otherwise have been.

In my humble opinion, this season has now simply become about Premier League survival. If, along the way, there could be an effective re-balancing of the squad AND (hopefully! ) some semblance of cohesive and creative attacking play AND positive signs that our big-name big-money players are performing at the expected levels, then that'll be all the better - especially for Allardyce if he wants to remain beyond the Summer.

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14 Jan 2018 09:46:05
Under Martinez it was a bit gung ho but have to admit interesting and sometimes brown trouser time (Stoke at Goodison you just could not make it up) . Koeman, said all the right things and I for one had high hopes but closer scrutiny of his CV shows that he is yet another that without money and once the success wains has no idea how to fix it. Under Sam as you say let's see how the balance goes. Your stats are good but the true story is that is 7 games on the trot now with no win and the last 3 games in the prem lost.

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14 Jan 2018 19:07:26
Out of our games u listed there only west Brom and Bournemouth are real disapointments on paper you would have took the wins draws and maybe hoped for a draw in the other loses so its not a bad recored when looked at like tha. Also av said before on here i don't really like sam but his post match interview yesterday was spot on he was visibly disgusted in the lack of fight from players and i can see a few more changes by 1st of feb.
This season is a right off get us safely mid table and play some kids so we know who is good enough come next season.

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14 Jan 2018 00:38:53
Got a feeling that this could be the transfer window that shows us if Walsh is worth the role of DofF. Think it's been said before that he would better suited to a head of recruitment role and I think him and Koeman have to be held equally responsible for the course of this totally unbalanced side. Depending on what's done between now and Summer, do any of you guys think that we'd look for a new director of football?

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14 Jan 2018 09:48:05
Didn't want to get into personalities but my opinion and it is only a personal opinion, is that Mr Walsh should have been hired as Chief Scout should have had Joe Royle or someone of that ilk as DoF.

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14 Jan 2018 00:27:38
Play Garbutt, proper left back, move siggy into the middle, proper centre mid, and get Lookman on the wing, proper winger.
It's not bloody rocket science for Christ's sake.

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14 Jan 2018 02:31:10
telling ya woody. I would like to see 2 strikers play up top with the players we have I think that’s where we will see the best of us.

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14 Jan 2018 08:46:13
It sounds very simple and who knows what would happen? But I suspect our very weak central midfield would look even weaker. I suspect that is why Sam does not do it.

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