Everton Banter Archive February 14 2018

14 Feb 2018 22:46:00
Can someone please clarify a recent comment I have heard? Is it true (I hope not) that Sam has come out and said that Tosun will not feature for us until we are mathematically safe as he is 'struggling to cope with the British weather'? . Surely they have cold weather in Germany growing up and, for 80k a week, you'd play in Speedos.

{Ed0333's Note - for 80k a week I’d play naked.

14 Feb 2018 23:05:21
You best be a 6 foot blond ed0333.

{Ed0333's Note - are you saying you’d pay to watch me play football naked BlueJohn? Your naughty boy you.

14 Feb 2018 23:57:10
I should have included gender in that comment or at least bust size as long as there something, up top, jiggling about! 😁😂.

{Ed0333's Note - how about down below jiggling?

15 Feb 2018 03:18:03
I would suspect Ed that in the cold of winter not much would be jiggling.

{Ed001's Note - it wouldn't matter if it was summer or winter, the only thing jiggling would be his gut.}

15 Feb 2018 08:40:50
Back to the question. the one I read said Sam said he couldn't pick him ahead of Niasse whilst Niasse was banging the goals in and creating chances. Added to which he is not at the fitness levels required for the Premier League just yet. That all makes sense to me. It just seems there is an anti Sam brigade who look at things and find negatives. Ed001 calls them toxics. We have the same about Kenwright. Probably the only lifelong fan of a club who has not named a section of the ground after himself yet invested millions of his own money.

{Ed001's Note - hang on, you mean Ed002 mate. Though I see his point about some of them, it is his term. I will never understand how any football fan can have anything but respect for Kenwright and what he has done for Everton.}

15 Feb 2018 08:57:45
Sorry Ed001. But I agree with him on this point. I think we have some fans who would see negatives if we were top of the league and winning the Champions League every season. The toxicity is quite astounding and unbelievable. Like I often say, supporter has ameaning and definition. I think some of ours should be called slaggeroffers or as Ed002 puts it, toxics.

{Ed001's Note - what are you sorry for? You have lost me.}

15 Feb 2018 09:13:36
Mixing you two Eds up. I thought it was you who had said it. not Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - It was me.}

15 Feb 2018 13:28:33
I think sam was alluding to the fact he wasnt giving enough in training posiibly because of the cold. Below is what he was quoted as saying about him.


‘It will be important for him to train really, really hard particularly when you are walking out and it is chucking it down with rain. ‘It is not that he is not used to it but it is freezing cold. When you are on the grass in short sleeves and shorts and a pair of boots players don’t want to stop training and don’t want to stop playing football, in fact we have to stop them and say you have done enough lads.

15 Feb 2018 17:29:53
Still not sure how that translates to not picking him however he plays?

15 Feb 2018 18:32:50
Degsy are you ranting at kingo who's asking about Tosuns ability to adapt to our climate or other posts below that are about Sam? It's seems a little out of place on this thread.

I don't think he's having a go at Sam but at Tosun being shy of the cold.

15 Feb 2018 19:52:09
Not ranting at all BlueJohnUns. funny how an inocuous comment can be mis-interpreted. No mate all I was saying was that the original comment was that Kingo78 had heard that Allergy had said he won't pick Tosun until we are mathematically safe. Added to which it was because of the cold weather. He asked was this a true statement? So I responded with what I had heard which was not what had been told to Kingo. It then sort of evolved into me saying that certain elements were just anti Sam A. ie mis-reporting of comments he had allegedly made. Someone else actually told me what Sam Allergy was thinking the other day. I did question was he a mind reader? So no rant. Just a response to a question that was asked.

15 Feb 2018 21:10:43
To answer kingos question Sam actually said in an interview with the echo.

When we are safe and moving forward we will still try and finish as high up as we can but we will have an opportunity to put him (tosun) on the pitch.

Interpret that which ever way you want. To me it tells me he isn't going to play Tosun until we are safe from relegation, others may and probably will interpret it differently.

15 Feb 2018 21:36:10
I don't get the Tosun comment about weather either. Some days and nights in Istanbul in winter it can be 6c/ 1c, and it can certainly chuck it down. I think it is more to do with the pace and fitness required for the Premier League.

15 Feb 2018 21:40:43
I love the fact Sam Allardyce changes to Allergy on your spell checker Degsy. He's a bit like that for us on here. 😁.

15 Feb 2018 22:44:23
I'm not worried so much. It might be a good thing that he has time to get used to things. I saw enough to think he could be a success.

Pair of tights and gloves will sort him out. 😉.

14 Feb 2018 16:32:44
{Ed's Note - figodasilva has posted a new article entitled, Finishing positions for the bottom half of the Premier League

14 Feb 2018 10:25:51
the onlyreal things which would convince me of sam allardyce staying at everton next season would be his matches against pep and benitez, these are two managers which are arguably amongs the best in the world (maybe benitez has fallen down the pecking order) , i'd like to see him show optimism vs city and go for it rather than what he did with arsenal, and if we manage to convincingly beat newcastle (performance wise) i'll be open to giving him another season.

14 Feb 2018 09:26:00
Enough has been said about the Sam future for or against, Here's something else. A lot of media talk about off loading Keene at the end of the season. Having spent so much money on him and still being on the young side and England fringe player I would keep him at least to see how he develops over another season and preferably in a settled partnership with A N Other CB.
To let him leave would create a situation where we are looking for 3 new CB this summer considering Jags and Williams could also depart. Isn't that too much disturbance in one important area, where if it happened most of next season would again be swopping CB around to find best combination.

14 Feb 2018 10:23:50
I do think Keene is a good player, think there to something or someone upsetting players behind the scenes, happening to often.

{Ed025's Note - as part of a duo with mee he looked good, we may have picked the wrong half stig..

14 Feb 2018 11:23:15
It’s difficult to really know if any of our summer signings should be moved on. Apart from Pickford and maybe Rooney/ Sigs, nobody has been given a fair chance to settle.

14 Feb 2018 12:10:35
Agree with ed25 on this lads, as much as i like keane i think playing alongside ben mee made him look even better than he is. Top player mee, think he will end up at 1 of the big boys soon, hopefully us!

14 Feb 2018 13:04:21
I like the lad he needs a leader next to him as he's a bit timid. More playing time will bring consistency. This could be said of all of them.

14 Feb 2018 15:24:26
We seemed to target young up coming kids over the last few seasons. From home and a couple from abroad. But we seemed to lose sight of the fact we needed players to go straight into the fisrt team ED025. Williams only had a season or 2 left and Jags was coming to the end so adding Williams was a mistake. Mee is still only 28 so we would have got 4 or 5 seasons out of him. Keane is still in the right age group and might come good but I have seen too many mistakes from him for my liking. And Burnley don't seem to be missing him.

14 Feb 2018 18:43:27
Burnley's demands of a centre back are different. Their style and relative success is built on thriving on limited possession. They need "no nonsense" centre backs. Under Koeman we aspired to a possession based approach. Ball playing centre backs were what he was looking for. On that basis Keane would have seemed a better option than Mee. The change of emphasis from the new manager has changed that.

14 Feb 2018 01:53:13
It's interesting for everyone to speculate what will happen with our manager situation at the end of the season and in the future. As far as I can see he has only two scenarios which will be acceptable to Moshiri who will have to make the decision:
A globally recognized and first class coach becomes available at the end of this season and is willing to take Everton on as a long term project. This preferably will be in combination with the appointment of a DOF who will then help the appointment of the new Manager. I can't see Moshiri taking the risk of appointing a new manager who has not proven himself at a high level. It is just too soon to make another high risk appointment.
If the above does not happen at the end of this season then Allardyce will stay for the length of his contract providing he keeps us in the premier league which looks likely at the present time. I can't see Allardyce remaining further than his present contract unless he gets us into the top six and gets the team playing entertaining football.
As Ed002 has stated on many occasions Moshiri needs to have a football expert who can advise him on footballing matters, hopefully this will be a new DOF.

14 Feb 2018 09:02:07
Good post BlueMike. Imho the first will not happen. Simply because what world renowned manager will put his own reputation on the line to come and do a long term project with Everton? They would be risking everything. Far too risky.

That's why I agree with Grumpy. A manager that gets us in a good position. Like within the reaches of the top 4-6 teams in the premiership will have done his job. Once that is achieved it would become more tempting for a world renowned manager to come in.

That's only my opinion. I'm well aware few will agree.

14 Feb 2018 10:42:12
Agree completely mate, a lot of wise words spoken by Grumpy and yourself on here, you have at least two allies mate.

14 Feb 2018 10:53:46
The answer NBTB I agree is unfortunately none. I say unfortunately because none of them want to step out of their relative comfort zones of managing already established teams. Yes it's a huge gamble, but isn't everything in life? Sure it could all go Pete Tong, but imagine the kudos they would gain if they could show they have the skills to take a struggling yet half decent squad to the next level. I know the levels of expectation are greater at these already established teams where just one or two losses is considered a crisis and the various Galacticos have to have their egos constantly massaged but surely, imho, it must be easier than taking over a struggling team and turning them into possible title contenders? Fanciful? perhaps. Naive? maybe. It's just an opinion.

14 Feb 2018 15:46:10
Fully agree NBTB.

Interesting post Mike.