Everton Banter Archive July 13 2018

 

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13 Jul 2018 23:17:38
13.8 million across the park.
Well well. I was a pro voice in the close season but I'm a little surprised.

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13 Jul 2018 23:48:18
Bad business by our neighbours. Shaquiri is decent enough at times and would be an asset at a so called lesser club, but the way Liverpool have been progressing over the last couple of years, this shows a complete lack of ambition. Clearly a substitute player there at best, so why don't they sign a hot young talent with potential to challenge the first 11 and possibly force his way into the team? Young talent would be less likely to sulk when not playing and offers long term hope.

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14 Jul 2018 07:47:24
mate he is perfect for them, he's a top sub to have, not a lot of players are gunna oust there front 3 so having someone like him who will be happy collecting his wage but if he plays will be great in there system is perfect for them, hate to admit it but top signing for that price mate.

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14 Jul 2018 07:51:01
Good players just need motivation sometimes. Wait and see. but at 13 mill what a player to have as a sub. Less than some of our failures!

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14 Jul 2018 08:39:15
Agree there degsy just look at our bench sometimes, would take him at the drop of a hat mate.

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14 Jul 2018 09:43:53
I don’t agree with the signing to be honest. The bit about him being a value for money sub definitely agree with. But the signing of a backup to an area of strength when their keeper situation remains unresolved is silly. If I was a Liverpool fan I would be scratching my head right now.

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14 Jul 2018 10:36:44
Football is a game of unions mate, when Marco does his first signing f or Everton some will love it some won't.

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14 Jul 2018 10:43:25
Didn't we all think the same when oxlade signed for them? Always a risk but we'll see.

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14 Jul 2018 11:08:44
Opinions, predictive text hate it lol.

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14 Jul 2018 16:38:40
Bargain at 13 Mill. The changes at Evertons top table are not complete as far as I am concerned, I shall say no more.

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13 Jul 2018 21:34:34
Don't post too often, but read every day. Seems there is a lot of stressing about incomings and outgoings. to those stressing. just remember last year. Rooney, sigurdson, klaasen, Ramirez. all bought and squashed into the team. and it was a disaster. I am delighted that the club have had a dose of reality. giving brands and Silva the chance to calculate EXACTLY what they need. the club can't afford to steam roll ahead throwing money away on players and managers. risk becoming a laughing stick. they will be continuously assessing where they need to strengthen and potential candidates.

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14 Jul 2018 09:45:37
Post more often Jcl. You make perfect sense mate.

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14 Jul 2018 09:56:57
Cheers toffee. I have my moments but i do read what u and many of the other regulars post all of the time.

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14 Jul 2018 10:44:59
Agree too with everything apart from us becoming a laughing stick, why would we be a stick?

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14 Jul 2018 16:59:02
We are not a laughing stock why so. So no jcl does not make perfect sense, what he/ she does is put in a concise way what most of us believe.

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14 Jul 2018 19:21:14
Did not say we are. essentially said we run risk of becoming one if the club made rash decisions, e. g. repeat of last year. but u don't have to agree with that either. just my opinion sir.

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13 Jul 2018 21:32:40
Eds, Keep seeing all these posts asking you who we are going to sign. If you got a week and 4 pages maybe you could give us a definitive list of who we are definitely NOT going to sign. Cheers. Lol.

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14 Jul 2018 10:46:04
Inside knowledge here Geoff. We will definitely not be signing Yarmolenko. Nudge nudge wink wink.

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13 Jul 2018 19:31:19
Can anyone (eds) actually confirm that we have missed out/ had bids rejected during this transfer window. I only ask because other Clubs appear to be doing business (incoming) but not us.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes the club has "missed out" - I have explained that. But there is plenty of time and folks need to move on.}

13 Jul 2018 21:25:33
Thankyou Ed002.

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13 Jul 2018 17:42:23
Hi Ed i’m aware our priority has been getting rid of the deadwood this window and plenty of defensive players being thrown about on different sites, are you aware of any concrete interest in any attacking midfielders or wingers? I heard loftus cheek before the WC and was wondering if we were looking to add more goals to our midfield! Cheers and thanks for all the good work!

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{Ed002's Note - We don't use the word "deadwood" about the players - just the fans. You should perhaps find a different sport to be interested in Alex but we don't need you abusing Everton on these pages.}

14 Jul 2018 08:00:37
Thank you again Ed002. I really don't understand the lack of repect to Everton players and footballers in general. Especially players who are local and have spent their whole careers at one club who were previously supporters too. Then they are called deadwood or to be got rid of. like a pest or infection with antibiotics!

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14 Jul 2018 08:35:25
There is always an evolution and players will be moved on for whatever reason but it is disrespectful to refer to these players as “deadwood”
If these so mentioned deadwood remain you will seriously demotivate them
Just my thoughts anyway.

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14 Jul 2018 10:55:18
Ok so risk getting banned here but, deadwood is not really a word i'd use but with the meaning of it being 'a person or thing no longer useful'

in relation to the manager or club I am guessing it is used.

Why is it such an offensive term?
I assume the players are not useful to club or manager because of playing style/ effort/ formation or place overloading, and are therefore moved on.
Am I misunderstanding the terminology of how the word is used?

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{Ed002's Note - It shos a complete lack of respect for the players of the club that you support. The players need the support of fans and if the fans get the reputation of not supporting the players then it will be harder to persuade players to join. Or you just go down the road of demonstrating the fans are knuckledragging morons - and that works as well.}

14 Jul 2018 15:03:37
Agree ed but deadwood is quite tame compared to what I read on these rumour pages. Which is why I asked.

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14 Jul 2018 17:12:02
It does fit the dictionaey defintion without offense but it more of the connotations the word carries as it is negative and disrespectful. Plus some 'deadwood' have contributed to the sqaud so is very ungrateful and is disrespetful. Ie. James mc, I would sell but loved having him here. doesn't take much effort to say the players not needed, or fringe players etc. But some people may not realise the effect to what they are saying. Personally I would like the terminology to not be used aswell. Williams has been shocking but he has tried and his performences I believe will have been painful to him and therefore deserves more than being called deadwood, although he should be nowhere near the squad this season due to his level of performences. Been a servant to Swansea, just didn't work out. Its flippent as well.

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14 Jul 2018 21:00:12
So deadwood is used as a collective word for players no longer useful to the team or club?

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{Ed002's Note - We are not going to tolerate the goading. If you wish to continue to be disrespectful to players of the club you say you support, maybe it is time to take your comments to another site and step away from here. We can facilitate that.}

15 Jul 2018 16:14:59
Just saw the reply. I apologise i wasn’t meaning to cause offence with the deadwood remark and take it back. I was just acknowledging that we’re letting players go at the minute and was trying to find out if you knew anything about targets? Once again apologies ed002 you do a great job.

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{Ed002's Note - Don't worry about it Alex but please consider the players - you don't want to become like the Liverpool supporters.}

13 Jul 2018 20:00:13
Everton listening to offers for 8 more players, going to be a busy month before the window shuts with ins as well as outs.

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13 Jul 2018 21:02:01
Just read who the 8 apparently are GB and got to be said wouldn't miss them terribly if they went. Be interesting to see how we set up and play tmw you never know might be some surprise performances from some of the 8 ( even though its against a 6th tier team )

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14 Jul 2018 06:55:05
Think you will be right mate good times eh.

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13 Jul 2018 19:58:10
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Richarlison

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13 Jul 2018 15:10:14
Here's a topic for any of the Eds who have genuine knowledge about how transfers are actually conducted in the real world and not in the uninformed world of most (me included! ) fans
The media (traditional and social) are awash with "stories" about player transfers. It seems that most social media stories are constant recycling (especially by fans) of the same original "story". Even the "news websites" are just repeating someone else's story - and many such websites openly state that they merely gather and re-publish stories from around the Internet.
However, the stories can't all come out of thin air or be idle speculation - some must be based on genuine (albeit sketchy? ) information.
So, my question (naive though it might be! ) to the Eds is this: who, in your experience or to your knowledge, are the most common sources of transfer stories (managers, agents, club officials, players themselves? ) AND why would they knowingly give out information to the media before a transfer is signed, sealed and delivered?

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{Ed002's Note - It is a good question to ask and perhaps I can offer an example of "unsubstantiated journalism" from last summer:
The true sports journalist is still out there - they will have good relationships with certain clubs and with many of the intermediaries (agents/representatives) that there are out there. Often they will get on well with certain players. These folks will not always get it right, but they should be able to more often than not confirm where there is interest in players and broadly what progress is being made toward agreeing any sort of contract that can see a transfer happen. However, with the world changing due to social media, Twitter, Blogs, Facebook and a whole host of new and often transient web sites that provide up to the minute breaking news and blow-by-blow accounts. The true sports journalist will take this with a pinch of salt, but others (I would never use the term but oft referred to as the writers of “lazy journalism” do). And the example is indeed Arsenal related (well sort of). A player who Arsenal were expected to make an offer for last summer, Nobby Keita, was reported as being subject to an agreement to join Liverpool for £74.5M overnight one Friday/Saturday with the news breaking over night. The report was picked up and was being repeated from the original source (Winner Sports) with compelling headlines from the Star and the Express. I am not a reader of the papers, well not the English press, and I had not heard of Winner Sports. So a quick check of their web site and it seems to provide links to gambling we sites, which seemed odd - just as odd as providing a price in GBP as opposed to Euros. So, where are they based? A quick check of their address of "11 Fleet St London EC4Y 1AA" (ignoring their @gmail.com" contact address) and suddenly there is a hint: Ye Olde Cock Tavern on Fleet Street – how apt. As an aside Arsenal didn’t see the value in Nobby Keita at anything like the figures being thrown around and the final figure Liverpool will actually pay (including a significant payment made last summer to assure the move) is still less than being suggested.
So as you suggest, there is a blight out there and this blight exists with the new style of reporting that is coming out of social media – the purpose of which really seems to be a place where you can keep in contact with old school chums, chaps you were incarcerated with and sharing photographs of your breakfast. Many football supporters are desperate for transfer news and will follow the slightest hint of their club buying a player like lemmings, believing every word they read. Where rumours persist of a player potentially leaving the club we get screams of “unsellable”, “he’s worth £100M” and “let him rot in the reserves”.

So what you need to do is find the remaining true sports journalists who won’t give blow-by-blow accounts but will be able to tell you, in most cases, where there is interest in a player. They won’t always be right, they won’t always have the sensational headlines; but they do offer up decent information.}

13 Jul 2018 16:19:33
Ed002: Thanks for taking the time to give such an informative reply - much appreciated.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Bobby.}

13 Jul 2018 16:48:19
Awesome answer to a very interesting question! Good job guys.

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13 Jul 2018 16:54:19
That was a good question. And an equally good reply. So best we ask Alan Irvine what’s going down at Goodison.

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13 Jul 2018 16:58:18
Ed002 awesome response! I know we have not always seen eye to eye on every subject but you are the oracle of knowledge on transfer info (as far as there can be an oracle) and I believe every word you have said. I know you had a hard time from a couple of individuals recently (as we all do) and just want you to know that I am grateful for the time and effort you put into supplying such detailed information.

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{Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}

13 Jul 2018 17:29:39
Reply of the Day for me Ed, enjoyed reading both.

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13 Jul 2018 18:38:49
That is why I only search for ed002 information on transfers for us now. And will continue to do so unless he purchases himself a bookmakers 😂.

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13 Jul 2018 18:28:13
Ed002 can we assume your alterego posters name is Degsyp?
Only joking, great post, very insightful.

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13 Jul 2018 19:33:38
Lemming reporting for duty! 🤪.

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13 Jul 2018 19:26:46
Ed you forgot Twitter? LOL.

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13 Jul 2018 21:29:45
Stig, perhaps why Ed002 gets frustrated. His post he mentions Twitter 8th line down 5th word from the left.

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14 Jul 2018 11:56:25
heard it all now degs you just get better and better.

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13 Jul 2018 15:44:07
Here's a proposition for you all: being a football fan is an investment.
Not they we expect a financial return (unless we like to have a bet! ) , but rather we desire an emotional return on our personal investment of time, money (tickets, travel, etc. ) , commitment and loyalty. .
We want to enjoy watching our team play - and to see them winning - and we like to enjoy the company and camaraderie of fellow fans.
We want the club to always aim for the best return on its investment - that's not just financial return (although that's vital in modern football) , but rather by being challengers (hopefully winners! ) of trophies and European qualification.

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13 Jul 2018 15:11:37
I am worried to say the least not by silva and Brands and what they have set out to do long term but we all know football is not about long term unless we are talking stadium and our academy structure, we have a season that we must be ready for.
We can't afford to have a season like last so it is vital we start well otherwise it won't take long for fans to turn on manager and Brands, we knew we had to be patient 12 months ago since then we have got rid of 2 managers and DOF.
As it stands our squad is worst of than when season ended and we are a month away from starting, not panicking yet but am concerned you can't just not spend cause you have not got value from last seasons signings, the prem will eat you up.

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13 Jul 2018 15:52:49
The current squad’s players didn’t perform well last season and some have already moved on and we have yet to recruit, so I can understand concerns about the squad being worse off, BUT until Silva has had a reasonable chance to evaluate the current players - and a chance to see if he can reinvigorate them individually and collectively - then I’m going to wait (but not too long! ) and see.

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13 Jul 2018 17:04:17
I am with you Truemetz79 except for the fact part of last season's problems were the injuries to Jags, Baines and most notably Coleman. We played many games with a mixture of Kenny (too raw and young and not ready) , Holgate (also probably still a bit raw) , Martina (not Premiership standard-why else did Southampton release him? ) , Williams who looked like he had found the pie cupboard and Keane who wondered what on earth was going on. Koeman switched and swapped those lot about and we conceded goals to the point we needed to score 3 every game to get a result. We at least have Jags, Baines and Coleman available from the start and they will make a big difference. They are not the long term answer, but should be ok for this season.

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13 Jul 2018 17:58:29
THERES 4 WEEKS TO GO!

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13 Jul 2018 18:07:15
Silva has only just got the players training, most probably hasn't even had them in a scratch game yet. But you expect us to go out and buy players when we most probably don't have any idea what we need yet. Why waste our money again?
Let Silva assess the squad first. Who knows, he might get a tune out of players Koeman and Allardyce couldn't. He plays a vastly different style. Scratch that. He has a playing style.
Take Doucoure for instance, he was less than useless at Watford before Silva came along, now he's touted as being worth 40 mill. Niasse couldn't kick a ball until Silva took a chance on him.
This is what Silva does, he improves and gets the best out of players.
Let's trust him to do so before panicking too much.

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13 Jul 2018 14:53:04
Maybe the Eds can clarify this:
To be eligible for our Premier League squad next season (that is until the January transfer window) , a player must be signed and registered by the end of the Summer transfer window - correct?
However, if a player has been released by any club - and is still unattached at the close of the transfer window - then he could be signed, registered and be eligible to play (subject to continuing compliance with rules about squad-size, number of non-homegrown players, work permits, etc. ) outside the transfer windows - correct?
Is the only exception that of being allowed to sign (albeit temporarily in an emergency) a goalkeeper - or is that not allowed anymore (if it ever was) ?

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{Ed002's Note - It is only true if the player was available during the prior window - so not a player released after the window closes in England.}

13 Jul 2018 15:19:03
Ed002: So a player in, for example, Italy or Germany who is released before their window closes (31st August? ) would have to have been released before the close of the England transfer window (9th August) in order to be eligible to sign as a “free agent” for an English club after 9th August? Otherwise, the club would have to wait until the next England transfer window (January) ?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, although they can join a club in France, Scotland etc..}

13 Jul 2018 11:46:47
Well it seems our keeper is getting some good reviews world wide. That got me thinking about who do you think was our best keeper?
I know big Nev is probably our most revered keeper but that does not mean he was our best. Gordon West for me rates highly and dare I say was probably better than Pickford at the same stage of his career. Ted Sagar was keeping for us for an incredible 24 years, that should indicate he was good at what he did but watching clips of him I am not sure if he would be good enough for todays standards, never seeing him play live I can not be certain. Nigel Martin, great keeper but injury prone if memory serves me correct, dodgy ankle I think.
Tim Howard served us well and actually holds the premiership record for the most consecutive games played for a single club. I rate him as good a keeper as West, I actually think Pickford is a better keeper Than Howard was at this stage in his career, However if Pickford stays with Everton then I envisage great things for him. Big Nev a true favourite at Everton, he loved the club and loved playing for us but was he the best, personally I do not think so. If we had all 5 of those keepers with us today I think the order from 1 to 5 would be,
Gordon West
Jordan Pickford Neville Southall Joint 2nd
Tim Howard
Ted Sagar

I would be interested in what you think.
Tony.

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{Ed025's Note - its big nev by a country mile for me SOG and nigel martin would be right up there as well mate..

13 Jul 2018 12:22:09
1 Neville Southall (no question)
2 Nigel Martyn (if only he came sooner)
3 Tim Howard (better than I thought he would be)

Only other ones I can remember are Bobby Mimms, Thomas Myhre, Richard Wright and Steve Simonsen. Yes the last two weren't the best for us.

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13 Jul 2018 12:51:59
Neville Southall. The best keeper in world football at his prime. That guy is the very epitome of NSNO. Makes me proud to be blue.

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13 Jul 2018 13:14:25
1 Southall
2 Martin
3 West
4 Howard
5 Rankin.

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13 Jul 2018 13:55:52
1 Big Nev (hands down)
2 Martyn
3 Pickford (hopefully he'll move up the list in time)

Can't really give an opinion on any before the 80s.

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13 Jul 2018 14:15:05
Not even a contest, Neville Southall hands down was the greatest goalkeeper.

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13 Jul 2018 14:20:34
I would think
Neville Southall
Gordon West
Nigel Martin
I find it difficult to place Jordan Pickford at the moment. Would certainly place him with West and Martin. Maybe after another season who knows.

When I started following Everton Albert Dunlop was goalkeeper. I can’t remember, but does anyone else remember his qualities.

Regarding Pickford, I hope we don’t have another situation like we did with Stones and Lukaku in wanting away. No doubt bigger clubs will soon be showing serious interest in him, so it’s important big progress is made this coming season to encourage him to stay.

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13 Jul 2018 14:59:35
Given you all a thumbs up lads,
I see Nigel Martin has been mentioned a few times and he would of without doubt been in my top 5 but for his iffy ankle and you are right Howie if only we had got him sooner.
Keen17 I echo your feelings with Pickford (regards Stones and Lukaku) and only hope the powers that be do also, maybe they will start to build the team around him and play to his strengths.

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13 Jul 2018 16:57:02
Undoubtedly Southall was our best ever GK, I absolutely idolised him.

Sadly, as a person, he lost every ounce of respect I ever had for him. He became manager of my hometown club, conference division at the time, caused nothing but trouble with his attitude towards staff, put ridiculously little effort into doing his job, and when fired he refused to return the company Mercedes he negotiated as part of his contract. A guy worth more than the club itself (probably) and he pinches the motor.
And before anybody says 'how would I know any of this', a relative owned the club at the time.

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13 Jul 2018 17:58:18
That’s a shame Worcester. I’ve had quite a bit of contact with him over the past few years and have found him to be very polite and humble, although not shy with his opinion but never rude with it. And he currently drives a VW.

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13 Jul 2018 18:46:41
West was before my time but I have heard lots of great reports about him. My too 3 that I’ve seen play are
1. Southall
2. Howard
3. Martyn (would probably be 2nd if he’d joined us sooner than he did) .

Big Nev though, what a talent. I’ll never forget the image of him sitting at a post at halftime time while the rest of team were in dressing room.

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13 Jul 2018 18:48:05
Southall every day of the week and twice on weekends!

The man could save anything - I vote he takes over the Brexit negotiations.

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13 Jul 2018 12:43:00
Nev for me too Ed by a long way.

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{Ed025's Note - great keeper mate..

14 Jul 2018 00:03:59
@Toffee Ace. it is a shame. As I said, I hero worshipped him, as kids do with footballers. When I heard about the possibility of him becoming manager I couldn't contain my excitement.
This is roughly 25 years ago now though so it'd be nice to think he's more down to earth now he's pretty much out of the sport completely.

On a different note, I moved to Chester not long later and the sensation that was Kevin Ratcliffe became manager there. What a genuinely nice guy. I lost count how many times I saw him out and about and every time he made a point of smiling and saying hi to literally every child staring in amazement at him. Not a great manager (but ridiculous turmoil at the club which saw them go out of business can't have helped) , but every match the fans would chant his name and you could see the joy he had for the game.

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13 Jul 2018 10:59:57
Keep reading we need to sign back up for certain positions. Well we don't, we need players to replace those who underperformed for 9 months last season and let them either step up or be the back up.

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13 Jul 2018 11:45:17
Any signing referred to as back up would naturally be expected to provide competition for places. One and the same thing for me.

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{Ed025's Note - me too ace mate..

Review Of The Day 13th July 2018

13 Jul 2018 06:25:55
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th July 2018

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