Everton Banter Archive August 13 2013

13 Aug 2013 19:01:27
Apart from the fact that there is no evidence to suggest there is not cash to spend your points are also a little naive.
Wage bill for one, Norwich had a far smaller bill than we did hence potentially making a bigger profit (smaller revenue though) than we did. This allows them this season to spend more aggressively, however they are spending on an Everton standard player not a player that would improve the current everton.
Cardiff have a bit of cash but are banking on being in the PL next season with their investments.
I have said this loads now but this transfer window is messed up. There are certain pools of players that clubs and agents bracket at a certain level. Eg Fellaini, now here is a player worth 15 mill but because there are very few CM that play his positions plural that can influence a team like he can with his physical attributes outside of teams playing in the CL or for titles his price is inflated. So now he is worth 30 mill.
We don't have CL to offer and we already have the 7th highest wage bill in the league (that us because our players are class) so to find a player without a stupidly inflated price that will improve us is extremely difficult.
Eds help me out here I have tried to explain this so many times but people just want any old signing its embarrassing. They would take Kieron Dyer if it involved anything over 5mill and a player on the back page with the scarf over his head.
People nobody is having a good window Man City and Spurs aside so get a grip the club is trying and will get a couple more in but not at the expense of dignity and stability, only if it is actually worthwhile

Svenny
On my phone so no blue name {Ed025's Note - im with you svenny mate..

13 Aug 2013 22:15:40
Not having a go svenny but you were wrong about the managers appointment if I remember correctly.so I am just wondering, is what you say your opinion or are you in the know.ps I think we will have a decent season so I am optimistic

My honest opinion is the players bobby has brought in are bellow the standards needed kone no better than vic, we've missed out on vydra and remy. Robles won't be number one but is better than mucha alcaraz the only way he gets in ahead of distan and jags is if we play 3 centre backs which we don't want to in my opinion 442 suits us better

Neither opinion nor in the know just basic common sense and a bit of research about wage bills of prem clubs.

He doesn't need to be in the know to write what he did. His post makes per fect sense. i've been bleating on and on about this for weeks. People saying we get 50 mill sign 5 boss players! 5 boss players on 70k a week +350k a week, times that by 52 and it's 20 mil plus year then times that by 5 year deals and its over 100 million pounds just in wages! Then the agent fees, the actual transfer fees add on bungs and back handers to make the deals happen and we're probably talking al in all 200 million pounds to do it. In case anyone hasn't noticed, we don't have the financial muscle to do this!

As Svenny says, with our strict wage cap and purse strings being so tight we need to be ultra careful about who we bring in, we need exactly the right player that will IMPROVE us. It's no good bringing a centre mid in that's about on Osmans level as we already have one at that standard . Signing players is not as simple as saying here you go there's 10 million tell him to see us at Finch Farm on Monday. So please boys and girls sop expecting the unrealistic and just trust the club to do right by itself. It's been doing it to a very high standard since 1878!

Svenny, if you're in the Paddock next season mate I'll buy you a pint. One of the few posters that actually has his head screwed on and feet firmly in the real world.

Don't forget his agents fees!!

Paddock blue, svenny hasn't a clue, told everyone on here to get the bets on pereira, it was a done deal and how did that turn out?

13 Aug 2013 18:06:12
4 days before the season starts and what have we bought, a kid, and 2 ex wigan players and a goalkeeper, not good enough Everton and spent sod all really, do we really have a chance of Europe or a cup next season, I doubt it

We have a better chance than last season!

13 Aug 2013 16:16:32
some people make me laugh with all the doom and gloom.

say we do lose Baines on the last day or Big Felli or even both, we do have some good players to fill the spots.

My 3 teams are

-----------Howard
------Stones Jags Distan
Coleman ----Fellaini-----Baines
--------Gibson Pienaar
------------Mirallas
------------Jelavic


thats my first 11 with all players.


If Baines leaves replace with Oviedo, Save the funds for Xmas

If Felli Leaves put Heitinga in( I still rate him) or someone like diame 4mil? Save the rest for Xmas

and that's the same if both leave and get a few younger players in like Astu, Marrone(spelling) and Diame, and save the rest for Xmas shopping.

As this season I don't expect us to get Champ leauge or even Euro, Could do well in a Cup, but it will take at least the first season to get the players to do what is asked and play the way he wants.

But best of all be proud and be BLUE

And if Gibbo is injured e can always put Barkley in is place

Stay in Yorkshire lad what's the point we may as well just sell everyone an use the youth an let's.give all that money to the bank
AD

Yes but if you saw the car you wanted at the right price. yes. or would you wait 4-5 weeks and in the meantime another fella has snapped up your car.
funny thing those car showrooms they sell cars to people with money to spend

I agree good to hear sensible positive comments
You should be manager well said

14 Aug 2013 13:21:39
to the guy selling cars to people with money, there is no shopping window for a car purchase so the price generally stays the same for the time period it is on the forecourt for, differently a players value in the transfer market generally will reduce as the end of the window closes in and better deals are to be had. For example if chelsea no longer see Moses or Ba as potential starters or even squad players for the coming season (as opposed to last season as chelsea have already strenghtened) and therefore wish them to be off the wage bill then they could be forced to lower the price for a sale. better comparing football transfer windows to grocery shopping as they hold shelf life. how often do you go to asda, tesco or any other supermarket and see items reduced in price as they are nearing their shelf life- answer - plenty of times - the same applies to the summer transfer window, suit tight and hope we get a few bargins in at the end of the window. players like moses could become available for as little as £5 mill instead of £8-9mill. CraigHuytonBlue

13 Aug 2013 14:41:33
Probably a blessing in disguise that people are writing Everton and Martinez off already - we can quietly go about our business quietly while the expectation is lumped on Liverpool and they will get more critics

People worry too quiet until nothing happen. Me too expect at least 2 signings.

13 Aug 2013 12:44:52
Feli + Baines=50m
Sicquere-7m
McCarthy 15m
Marrone-8m
Diame-3.5
Moses-8
Alderwield-5m

If the worst did happen. Although, Icouldnt see us affording all the wages.

What do you reckon Ed. {Ed025's Note - i think your right..

Remove Marrone 8m and Moses 8m and were laughing.

Maybe have a look at that Cedric Mabwati (or some1 like him) who played against us for Betis. They've just bought him for around 1m. Looked as good as Moses already.

Leon EFC

A complete squad over haul 4 days before the season begins, I like your thinking

Leon, Betis aren't going to sell, they've just bought Cedric, so we'd be wasting our time

13 Aug 2013 11:34:53
Just think we will line up on Saturday and the only difference will be the dug out be the same players nothing new on what we got I do suppose delefoue could be one that excites us and sounds like he has ability to win a match I only saw but of him in pre season and that was against Spanish teams who know more about him than us and have probably come up against him before in a B match also the fact he has not had much of a break played in tournemant not long ago I'm expecting some cameos to start with I think we need to use him against the better sides not the on your backs style of teams ie stoke he would get battered play him against teams like man city where they allow you space and time on the ball that's where he will be effective it will take time but this kid is suppose to be the real deal put it this way if Barcelona think he is going to be world class that will do for me

13 Aug 2013 10:54:17
Ed I had a little rant before, I forgot to say if you add Distin, Gibson or Naismith you have a team and 3 decent setups

Baz

13 Aug 2013 09:34:04
Just registered! don't know why I didn't when it first started. just posting so I can see my name in blue!

COYB

13 Aug 2013 09:18:29
Im starting to drive myself mad with my own posts but seriously why as a collective are we so negative as fans? Manchester United have bought nobody does that mean they have no money, neither have Arsenal, Chelsea finalised a deal for a player that was done before the window opened yet nobody doubts they can buy players.
The problem is signing players now is extremely difficult and complexed. More importantly if you are Everton it is harder as we are not a champions league side. To get the players in that could make us a CL team is near impossible now as all the top players want to play in that competition so the pool of players left that would vastly improve us is tiny. These players then have hugely inflated price tags and will want to leave sharpish if we fail to get in to Europe eg Suarez.
So get off the managers and the boards back, there is money to spend but there is no point spending it for spending its sake, eg Sunderland.
I think a CM is vital now Gibbo is injured AGAIN, so I fully expect to see one in before the window shuts and without having to sell Felli or Baines or anyone.

I agree completely.

13 Aug 2013 08:50:47
Is there a step up in class of players that are in that champions league bracket and those who are below?

Just wondering because I sometimes watch these champs leagure teams and most of the players are technically quite good and rarely hit a donkey pass or miscontrol it or just get the ball taken off them easily - but sometimes when I watch everton I'm surprised by how many of our lads do these things - (and I'm not even mentioning Howard's liking for kicking the ball out for a throw in at least 5 times per game) - like in the Betis game - all their guys had good foot skills and closed down the opposition all the time - and in tackles or close contact they generally came away with the ball or retained it from our challenge - some of our guys don't seem to have these basic skills - balls bouncing off shins and stuff or just gettingthe ball knicked straight off them - it's a surprise to me that some premiership players are just not that good at some of these things when they're v high earning professionals

should we send all of our promising youngsters on loan to Spanish clubs for a season so they pick up these skills early on?

Is this a joke? Obviously players playing in the Champions League are superior to those that are not as a basic rule, hence why they play for the most successful teams in Europe at the moment.
Is there a step up in class from the average prem player to the average championship player?

This is why it makes it so hard for us to buy players, as we need players of CL calibre to improve us but they want to be playing CL so its a roundabout

Probably should have said a 'big' step up in class - or a noticeable one

my point is that, yes, champs league players will be better at doing stuff, but I would expect maybe only a 'bit' better maybe 5%? - not a whole gulf better - slightly quicker slightly more accurate - but some of our guys are still making basic errors in control when they're playing for a team that's finishing 6th - and you hardly see it in teams that are finishing 4th - just 2 places higher

13 Aug 2013 00:55:37
just a quick post. to the people moaning about norwich etc spending more money than us! the reason is simple. we pay massive interest payments each month, we have had a premier leagie wage bill for 20 uears, and the cost of a priemership club has risen rapidly in 20 years! these clubs you mention are quids in as the new tv deal has really made a difference, to a club like ours, that have publicly stated 75p of every pound goes on wages. this is bad. we have attendances that match west ham, who before you say are spending, have two major backers, who both have more than bk. you should deal with the facy we don't have much money and instead enjoy the morals and other means in which our club is run. i'm sure newcastle would have more fans if you want to support a team that spends money an pays big wages. just deal with joe kinnear

phil

It is not as simple as that Phil. Norwich have/had a weaker squad than us, there is a big pool of players who can improve them so they buy players to do so. We have a pretty good team to improve our team you are dealing with a much smaller pool of players who this window have massively inflated price tags for various reasons including tv money, Monaco, PSG oil billions etc, and we miss out on some due to not being in Europe. Its easier to invest in something that is poor and make it better than to invest in something good and make it great. We are not in a position to spend for spendings sake and RM will know that so will only sign someone he sees as a genuine improvement on what we have. There is not many out there who can improve on what we have and who don't already play in the Champions League