Everton Banter Archive November 12 2013

12 Nov 2013 14:24:19
Id be happy if we brought tom ince and bruno martins indi in in january

I wouldn't Ince is average! We need to strengthen in attacking midfielder and a defender who can pass a ball.

I wouldn't.
I'm an Everton fan - my destiny is never to be happy ;-)
We have always been thwarted whenever we got close to establishing long-term consistent success despite occasional (and short-lived) periods of basking in the glory of actually winning trophies and really playing exciting football with our teams comprising top-class players.
KevinM

12 Nov 2013 17:39:31
we need an attacking midfielder? have I been in a coma? is barkley out for the season or something?, a winger and a centre back are must haves

Mike-Ox Long {Ed025's Note - i want an attacking midfielder as well mike, after 2 goalless draws, it seems an obvious choice mate..

I tend to agree with those intimating we need an attacking/creative centre midfielder. Someone in the Arteta mould would be ideal, for me. Our season shouldn't have to be over reliant on an untested, though promising, 19 year old and a 32 year old who's blowing after 60 minutes every week.
Granville.

12 Nov 2013 20:03:29
so do we bench barkley all season ed?, people saying they want an attacking midfielder but point at cabaye and arteta who are both deep lying playmakers rather than creative ones like ozil or silva, ed our 2 goaless draws have come when osman has started mate, let's face it barkley is much more of a threat and a much better player, guarantee we score next time he starts (please be the derby) because if he starts osman against liverpool, we are in for a long night

Mike-Ox Long {Ed025's Note - i really rate ross mike, but bobby seems to want to play him in small doses mate, and im sure he knows more than you and i, ossie for me is too lightweight, and IMO would be better coming on from the bench, thats why i advocate signing an attacking midfielder, who can penetrate defences..

12 Nov 2013 20:44:42
he can't play in small doses forever mate, soon he will be needed nearly every game and expected to play every game, its all good buying a 26 odd year old attacking midfielder but we have to think about ross' development and for me a winger who can play there who is creative obviously is needed he can play there until ross is ready then take pienaars position, kill 2 birds with one stone and sort 2 problems with one player

Mike-Ox Long

I think people are writing Osman off too soon. At the same time they are building Barkley into something he isn't. Remember that Osman a month ago won his first England cap. I know that doesn't make him particularly special. However, it says he was the best available Englishman at the time. Barkley is a wonderful prospect. But at times he has looked a little lost and makes poor decisions about when to hold onto the ball and when to release it. So I guess we need both at the moment. As RM says, "competition for places is good." Pienaar is another who has looked out of sorts. I am sure all 3 will have a role to play this season.
Degsypulford

12 Nov 2013 21:15:57
look by now you all probably know I do not like osman whatsoever and i'm not looking for an argument over him, being called up does not make you the best englishman at the time, heskey okay emile heskey has england caps, stewart downing was called up when adam johnson was a much better option, being called up to the england national team is nothing special, play a couple of good games or play for man united and you are practically guaranteed a call up, osman has and always will be lightweight, he has no pace and slows everything down, regardless of his little feet in the box, he looks dreadful this season and quite a lot last season too, i'm not only going to mention osman as being poor this year, pienaar, mirallas and jelavic (pffft) have all been equally as bad but when I see the team howard, coleman, jags, distin, baines, mirallas, mccarthy, barry, pienaar, lukaku, but I then see osman who is the standout player (not in a good way) starting ahead of a special talent (degsy barkley can be special, don't give me the crappy rodwell bullsh*t because rodwell was never going to be special, again barkley can be special doesn't mean it is guaranteed) but he offers us more pace and flair (we have been crying for this for years) and people want a slow 30 something year old as the man to score and set up the goals in our team? which when played there he has done neither, barkley regardless of age is now a better player than osman and again I don't want to sound horrible towards him as I think we need a better winger than pienaar too so its not just osman, but i'm not the manager and bobby knows a lot more than me just in my opinion when watching everton every week is that barkley is a better option than osman, that is all

Mike-Ox Long

Ozzy should be the squad player who fills gaps. If we have injuries anywhere across the midfield, he steps in. That would see him still play a big part over next few seasons. I think we do need another attacking mid, but if that player can go wide then that would be a bonus. But there aren't many who can do that. Holtby would be my obvious shout given he will never really be first choice at spurs. Those who think we need a winger, I think we are missing a big trick in games where we can't create much. Should try bringing Stones on at right back and moving Coleman further forward to totally free him up to make his motoring runs. He just looks a threat whenever he does it.

I wasn't writing soma off Degsyp, as I've said before I still think he has a decent part to play, but he shouldn't be starting every week. He's knackered after 60 mins and all too easily dispossessed because of his stature.

And when I say someone in the Arteta mould I mean someone who is comfortable on the ball and can pick that killer pass when games are tight.

Personally I'd love Cabaye, although some may not be too keen on him after the incident at Goodison a couple of seasons back. Playing two defensive midfielders against limited sides seems over cautious to me. Although he's perhaps not particularly an attacking schemer like Silva or Mata, he's composed on the ball and his passing can be sublime and he can score goals out of nothing. We need a player of this type rather than a Fernando or an M'Vila, IMO.
Granville.

Mike get a life. He's a kid and certainly not there yet. Just because you write a lot of words doesn't mean you know what your talking about .

Is anyone else bored of mike-ox trying to bully every other poster into agreeing with him? It's seems like every post now.
I miss the old mike - the miserable, witty version who allowed opinions.

13 Nov 2013 06:51:29
i didn't say it means I know what i'm talking about, in fact, I said bobby knows more than me and I put he can be special but its not guaranteed, that does not say he is already special and one of the best, there was no need in your 'get a life' comment, so hows about a bit of respect instead of twisting my words

Mike-Ox Long {Ed025's Note - listen guys...lets not get personal and petty over other peoples comments!...its a banter page, there will always be different views..

Degsy osman won his cap at bit longer than a month ago it was last season to start with and has been pretty poor since, if any one thinks that ossies more to deal with over barkley your mad, he's been thrown in from the start of the season and dealt with the hype pretty well and can only get better.

poeple need to watch a match for 90mins and actually notice what a player contributes rather than watching highlights because you will see more of a player than just his better bits

Add to that barkleys played for england more recent than ossie so if that's the point your trying to get across it dosnt work

Soma? Clearly, I meant Osman, damn predictive text.
Granville

Actually answering the OP his shout of Tom Ince is a good one. Quality young English players are hard to come by and this guy has speed and flair, something any team would benefit from. As for the other guy, I've never heard of him? Will do some looking and check him out.

Sorry Mike but I really don't agree with you that we need to get rid of Pienaar. Why would you break up the best footballing partnership in the Premier League in Baines and Pienaar? They cause so many teams problems with their attacking abilities. Not only do they offer so much to an attack, but Pienaar helps cover that left side when Baines is bombing forward which doesn't leave us exposed. Also, I don't think Pienaar has been 'terrible' this season (as you put it), he was the best player against Spuds and scored the winner against Hull. Give him time to get his touch back at least, before you begin to criticise. I don't know whether anyone knows this but the reason we are called 'supporters' is because we're supposed to support the club and the players, believe it or not! I'm glad not all fans are like you Mike, Goodison would be a dire place to be on match day.

BitterBlue

16 Nov 2013 20:31:06
I never said get rid of him I said we could do with someone better as he has no pace and rarely gets past a player, he pisses about too much trying for backheels and loses the ball, ge was woeful against spurs as was everyone apart from mccarthy for that matter and maybe barry, he hasn't done much since he got him back and he isn't going to get better at 30+ abd what cover did he offer baines against walker and townsend?, he does that silly arm swinging thing when he runs at someone with the ball and then doesn't tackle he then runs forward allowing them to go past and leaving everything up to bainesy supporters can have opinions mate sorry if I don't want to sit there quietly and not point out anything bad about our team, we are not perfect and far from it, pienaar, osman, jelavic and mirallas have not been good enough, you never watch the match and see someone give it away and go 'arrr for god sake *players name* or do you really sit there and never utter a bad word about anything a player has ever done at the match?, i'm not unfair or anything i'm just being honest

Mike-Ox Long

I'm afraid if we want to get into the champions league we need better players than Osman and Pienaar. Whilst I respect the contribution of both to the club over the years right now they are not good enough players to send us to 4th place. Therefore, for that reason both should either be backup players or sold. It's really as simple as that if we want actual success.

12 Nov 2013 11:26:04
15 million set aside chaps for transfers in January i'm hearing.

Unless we're in with a chance of getting into the Champions League - and could secure the player(s) to make that more likely - I don't see that us paying inflated prices in the January transfer window makes much sense. Better Surely to see if some of our youngsters can perform during the remainder of the season and then invest during the summer transfer window as necessary. We've plenty of current first-team players the wrong side of 30 that'll need to be replaced during the next year or so. The little money we have needs to be spent wisely. This is a work in progress by RM and it'll take a couple of seasons - and corresponding transfer windows - for the squad and team to be re-shaped and to progress IMHO.
KevinM

I have to agree if we try to strengthen in the January window there is a fair chance we may have to pay over the odds. the only thing that may help is there may be a few fringe players at some of the bigger clubs that will be looking for 1st team football to try to cement thier places in the national squads for the World cup. I expect Jonny H to be looking for a move in January. This may be the biggest window for loans we have seen for a long time which doesnot really help us much if we additional wanted players from the EPL.

SA90

Could 3.5m of that go on Diame? Think he would be such a great addition and an achievable one given his history as a player under Roberto.

13 Nov 2013 15:39:53
diame is a great shout mate, I do not believe he has a 3.5m release clause or whatever because i'm sure arsenal would of got him a long time ago, fantastic player though

Mike-Ox Long