Everton Banter Archive February 11 2014

11 Feb 2014 22:12:58
i have a question.
the uefa cup winner are atuomatically qualify for champs lg what happens if the winners have already qualified for champs lg do the runners up take the spot?

11 Feb 2014 22:26:18
the winners of the uefa cup don't automatically qualify for the champions league

Here's the quote from the UEFA Champions League rulebook. In their terminology, titleholder means winner. England has four places in the competition. There is no provision for the CL runners up to get any special qualification.
"The UEFA Champions League titleholder is guaranteed a place in the group stage even if it does not qualify for the competition through its domestic championship.
a) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy). In this case, the number of places to which the titleholder's association is entitled in the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Europa League does not change.
b) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the UEFA Champions League and does not qualify for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy). In this case, the association of the titleholder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League.
c) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to fewer than four places in the UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, it is entitled to play in the UEFA Champions League in addition to the association’s other UEFA Champions League representative(s). In this case, the combined number of places to which the titleholder's association is entitled in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League does not change.
d) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to fewer than four places in the UEFA Champions League and does not qualify for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, it is entitled to play in the UEFA Champions League in addition to the association’s other UEFA Champions League representative(s). In this case, the association of the titleholder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Champions League."

And here's the UEFA Europa League rule about its titleholder. England has three places.
"Unless the UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the UEFA Champions League through its domestic championship, it is guaranteed a place in the group stage of the UEFA Europa League. If the titleholder qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the number of places to which its association is entitled in the UEFA Europa League does not change. If the UEFA Europa League titleholder does not qualify for either the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, its participation in the UEFA Europa League is not at the expense of the contingent of its association."

Now that's all perfectly clear, surely?
:-)

Wow Baron! There's 36 UEFAs in that post mate. That's got to be a record! Haha.

11 Feb 2014 21:02:18
Hallam hope looks a quality player and should be in the first team within the next year or so. And it got me thinking we have have 4-5 players nearly ready to step up to the first team, and that might explain are lack of permanent signings.

Just a thought anyways, cheers

11 Feb 2014 21:56:12
think he will be ready the season after next, conor mcaleny, however, is definitely ready and should be in the squad once vellios goes

Mike-Ox Long

11 Feb 2014 22:01:11
i also expect matthew kennedy and tyias browning to be in the first team next season, browning in particular as martinez has stated he is ready for the first team

Mike-Ox Long

Agreed lew and mick. Mcaleny. Hope. Browning. Kennedy. Long. We have an abundance of talent just waiting for their chance. The future's bright the future's blue.

Id like to see Lundstram given a go next season.would give Barrys legs a rest when needed.good DM too

12 Feb 2014 09:42:55
Ive said this before. Our youth set up looks very similar to that of Manchester United about 12 years ago when scholes, 2 neville brothers and a certain mr beckham came through the ranks. Consider browning as 1 of the nevilles, lundstrum our version of scholes, barkley our becks not to mention mcaleny, long, hope. Albiet some of those we hype up due to being evertonians, but there is no reason why at least 3/4 of those players would become 1st team regulars not only for us over the next couple of years, but also national squad players.

Im looking forward to George Green coming through. He is ment to be a cracking player and if he gets stuck in and continues to learn, then the sky could be the limit for the kid. Ryan Ledson is another getting good hype. Maybe its a good thing we don't have a billionaire owner. We would just buy players instead of giving the kids a chance.

11 Feb 2014 14:04:18
. have to say from lukakus most recent interview that his attitude stinks a little. seems to think he is entitled to play only for a team that is in the champions league?? Um, wakey wakey mate - start scoring again & putting your chances away instead of missing them, then you might well be in the champions league. Sorry, but for me these comments confirm my suspicions with this guy, I certainly wouldn't 20 million on him but would spend 8-9 million on Batyshuai instead.

11 Feb 2014 14:25:42
seems to fancy himself, can't wait for him to go back to chelsea and hopefully get a proper striker in rather than that donkey lukaku

I must admit the I've been a bit disappointed with his performances recently.
Why can't somebody invent a footballer "blender", then we could put Rom & Naisy in it & then hopefully, (we are Everton after all!), end up with a player with Rom's physicality & skill & Naisy's effort, commitment & work rate?!
Ah well, as Cliff Dick used to sing, "Dreamin'. , I'm only dreamin'. "

IR(&K)IT

Lol. love it toffee Tezza.

I agree "delusions of grandeur" springs to mind.Not as good as he thinks he is although I think he will eventually fulfill his potential.I don't think we should spend £25 mill or whatever figure chelsea want and would much prefer Batyshuai for a third of the price.

Lukaku needs to prove that he's a Champions League quality player first, needs to show on the pitch that he's good enough, he was poor in the games leading up to his injury. £20 million is too much I agree on his performances, but when he's on form it isn't.

To squish Lukaku and Naismith into one player could only be called Lunaisy! Thank you, thank you. Yes, I am available for parties, weddings and bar mitzvahs.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff OHEFB, but dont give up the day job just yet mate.. :)

Makes me laugh this I specifically remember mike biting my head of for commenting on lukakus true value a few weeks ago. What has changed since then mike? You said he had everything and when I compared signing Morata vs Lukaku you said there was no competition. And do you still believe he is valued at 25-30 mill and can be compared to Shaquiri, gotze and whoever else you said.

11 Feb 2014 21:50:57
no you said he is worth 10m max overall, he is 20 and has everything, does he use it? no, he also has a woeful first touch and despite being 6 foot 3 he is terrible in the air, I had a go because you said we should sign morata for 10m, when we have no chance whatsoever, I don't want lukaku permanently and if martinez spends 20m on him I will be annoyed, judging by his interviews I don't know where he is going, one week its 'i had an argument with jose', next its 'i would love to stay here', then 'me and jose never argued' and then its 'i want to play in the champions league', the boy needs to get his act together, I also never compared him with gotze and said he is worth 30m, but most of all, when did I mention shaquiri, xherdan shaquiri? the poor mans arjen robben? he is terrible and overweight, I don't consider him in the same league as mario gotze

Mike-Ox Long

11 Feb 2014 22:06:36
oh sorry I said to degsy I would go in more detail, for shaquiri

positives:
quick
skillful
beast left foot
still young

negatives:
fat
inconsistent
weak
lazy
scared of being tackled
greedy
greedy on the pitch too

Mike-Ox Long

I think is said he was worth 10-15 mill due to the level of performance he produces. But with him being Belgium and in the favoured big powerfull striker mould his value is massively over inflated.

Oh and sorry mate I must be getting mixed up with Shaquiri haha

Okay, nothing to do with Lukaku, but if any of you think Shaqiri is 'fat', you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. He's a physical beast. That is all.

11 Feb 2014 09:22:38
The lowest Everton will finish is 5th Spurs are dyer and they will buckle and i'm still not ruling out fourth until the fat lady sings and I have not heard her sing yet coyb.

11 Feb 2014 10:10:11
Love the positivity Stef, i'm with you all the way now mate, wasnt an hour ago though

I really feel that there will be a few more twists and turns Degsy its up to us to grab the opportunity when it comes.

Totally agree. At least 5th. Some of our players coming back from injury have had a much needed rest and can really shine in the last 5 games when some of our challengers will be knackered.

First off, Palace. Pulis, your boys are 'avin it mate

COYB