Everton Banter Archive December 11 2019

 

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11 Dec 2019 23:14:25
I personally don't want Ancelotti at all. Sure he's a big name but for some reason I don't think he's the right fit for us.

I just hope we make the right decision as it's do or die this time I feel.

Me personally with what's out there I would probably go for Moyes and Ferguson.

I've seen a lot of people heavily against Moyes but it's fact that he gave us are most successful time in recent years.

As things stand what I wouldn't give to be steady and finishing 6-8 every season.

For me it would at the very least provide us with stability and give us a platform to build on.

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11 Dec 2019 23:58:54
What success? We won nothing!

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12 Dec 2019 00:14:48
We finished around 5th-7th consistently under Moyes. His last season we finished 5th if I remember correctly. Martinez took over and inherited Moyes’s team and we finished 5th.

Since then we’ve been no where near consistent top 6 finishes.

As I said I would take that again no problem.

I certainly don’t want the Fat Spanish waiter. Can’t believe people want him?

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12 Dec 2019 02:04:47
I honestly believe that it doesn't matter who comes in as manager, a large portion of our fan base will slare the many regardless. We could call a press conference tomorrow to announce Pep but some of you would rather get moyes back in, it would be comical if it wasn't so don't depressing.
If ancelotti isn't a good fit, please tell me who is? And forget DM, the man is where he deserves to be, in the football wilderness and as far away from us as is possible.

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12 Dec 2019 08:50:57
people not getting that the football we played under moyes is similar to the football say burnley play now? back then when we'd finish 6th 5th etc we didn't have to compete with city spurs (at full throttle) leicester wolves we'd be mid table at best. football changes boys.

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12 Dec 2019 08:58:13
Us supporters are as divided as the board by who we want. Sure we did ok with moyes, maybe Ancelotti will achieve that next step. Sure as hell won't with likes of moyes, howe, dyche, board are gunning for a big name who will attract players, at this moment in time we would be lucky to land him.

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12 Dec 2019 09:13:52
Best post for a long long time on here bluepotato mate.

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12 Dec 2019 09:17:03
Dunc09 money and the reputaion of clubs to further maximis career progression attracts players not a big name managers how many of the top teams have a really low wage structure and a manager that keeps them sweet because of his big name?

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12 Dec 2019 11:09:19
There's a reason Moyes has been available for last 12 months. Nobody wanted him so why should we.

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12 Dec 2019 11:40:35
Rick, this is the point with DM that some thankfully not many are totally missing.
Q. why is Moyes out of work
A. He is not sought after
Q . why is he not sought after
A. can only be, he is not acceptable PL material anymore .

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12 Dec 2019 11:50:37
😂 seriously laughable. People wanting Moyes over Carlos.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

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12 Dec 2019 13:38:18
Hes won nothing? I count 19 trophies in England, France, Germany, Spain and Italy. Named best coach in world twice. Must be worth the gamble - can't keep employing managers who cv was relegation. We have employed young managers and look where we are.

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12 Dec 2019 14:49:31
watford have needed a new manager twice this season, not once have they considered david moyes, why are everton football club considering him?

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12 Dec 2019 17:53:50
Probably because Moyes has Championship experience wblue2 lol.

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12 Dec 2019 18:11:33
We won NOTHING!

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11 Dec 2019 22:49:55
Moyes and Ferguson till the end of the of the season will do for me.

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12 Dec 2019 09:41:59
Agree with that.

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12 Dec 2019 14:25:03
Would rather have kept Silva than get Moyes back and that's saying something. Ferguson as interim until a long term successor is found.

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11 Dec 2019 21:07:25
So Ancelotti is today's pick?
Whilst he has a good CV this has normally been achieved with better teams than ours. Perhaps if we had got him prior to Koeman then with investment we could possibly have been in a good place now.
I have two main concerns. One, his age has he got the energy needed to take this club forward? Two, what sort of transfer kitty would be available given the amount we have wasted.
Could be a massive decision this one.

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11 Dec 2019 21:40:38
uno Woburn, I might be the only one who doesn't want him. Yes he's won trophies almost everywhere he's been but to me he doesn't fit what we need. Call me old fashioned but we really need someone who gets the club and kind of has a point to prove.

For me it's Dyche, not a fashionable appointment but I honesty think with a bit of money he could do a real good job and get the lad playing for the shirt.

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11 Dec 2019 22:13:43
Ancelotti by all reports is a hands off type of manager but he obviously would be able to attract top players. So when you think about it a combination of Ancelloti and Ferguson as assistant would be a great combination. Of course it will not happen but it is nice to dream.

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12 Dec 2019 08:54:43
im not 100% in the anceolotti fan club, but sean dyche over carlo ancelotti what are people seeing with shaun dyche, he's a modern day sam allardyce! good coach. for burnley 2 big yard dogs upfront no thanks.

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12 Dec 2019 12:58:08
He works well with the resources he has, he develops and improves players, has certainly bought into Burnley and is involved in a lot of the off the field work that Burnley do, will motivate the players and will instill a sense of pride in the shirt.

I'm not convinced Ancelloti will do any of the above.

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12 Dec 2019 14:56:24
good arguement back, but sean dyche is at his level, burnley. , he's bought into burnley because he's been there for 7 years (would be mental if he hadn't) if you want everton to really push up the league and challenge this top six, you thinking dyche is going to do that? would you link arsenal with sean dyche? burnley had that one year they came seventh (if it was for big sam being so negative even we would have pipped them to seventh that year) apart from that they've been mid table fodder mate not forgetting he has also took them down.

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{Ed001's Note - and he has rebuilt the club's whole infrastructure. When he took over he had to sell to keep the club from going into admin, yet he took them into the Premier League that same season. Instead of spending the Premier League money on players, he got the club to spend it on improving training facilities etc. He is a proper long term view coach who has worked a minor miracle to turn a dying club into a Premier League regular.}

12 Dec 2019 15:08:26
Look managers work at certain levels, Dyche has his level as has Howe. Remember Mike Walker anyone.
If you want to be a top team you need a top manager, think about it.

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12 Dec 2019 15:09:48
would you say he'd be a good fit at everton ed 0001?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, his style of play is a worry, but it is hard to know if that is the way he wants to play or chooses to do so to make the most of the resources at his disposal. The rest of his work is a perfect fit. He gets heavily involved in the community work, is an excellent man manager and motivator of players, but the tactics are something that might not get the fans on board. He does very much suit the profile of Everton as a community club though, even the way he dumped Burnley's fine system for late arrivals etc, to replace it with a 'wheel of fortune' forfeit system which means players have to do extra community work etc. He also has the club very much embedded into the local community there, makes time for the things Everton are known for.

It is difficult to see anyone better suited as a person though. That work ethic, the community spirit, the willingness to put the club's long term future over short term buying, it is perfect for a club that wants to build a long term future challenging at the top end. I know everyone enjoyed the win with a degree of Burnley-style football under Duncan Ferguson, but it is not what fans want as a long term plan from a manager brought in from the outside.}

12 Dec 2019 15:37:50
great view of it mate, there's no disputing he seems a top bloke dyche and i wasnt disputing that. its the footballing side of it, could sean dyche grip hold of a richarlison and make him a better player? possibly, but the football would be hung out to dry within weeks, for me its 9with utmost respect0 very similar to a young sam allardyce, plays basic football there's always this question of oh if they had the players they wouldn't play like that, however i feel a couple weeks into it they fall back in to old habits, its a no from me however see the good points.

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{Ed001's Note - I can understand that, it is difficult to see a perfect option out there though to be honest.}

12 Dec 2019 15:43:43
absolutely glad its not my job to find one!

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11 Dec 2019 20:41:13
I mean if it is going to be Moyes they were never going to let Man u away be his first game were they?

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11 Dec 2019 18:08:38
SSN reporting dunc in charge for the Utd game.

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11 Dec 2019 19:34:09
Sensible decision. Give him a few more games, nothing lose really. Long shot, but I personally hope he does the bizzo. I’d love that to work out for us, him and the club.

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11 Dec 2019 20:39:55
Absolutely made up with this. I will be at the theatre of drab and was concerned I would be seeing Moyes back in his former home.

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11 Dec 2019 16:14:23
Another a Day, another Manager link, I am not sure if I put it down to myself being at the stage of what fits for Everton.

I can only go off last Saturdays game, what seems to fit is communicating with the players, keeping things simple, and working as a team.

We saw this under Catterick, Kendall, Royle and in parts Moyes.

Kendall was a player a Manager when we brought him in, no vast Managing experiance.

Ferguson has sorted in just one Day with the players, how to play the Everton way.

Personally If I was the board, I would take a close look at how this team has been reunited, the fans are on the same hymn sheet as the players, the Manager and the board.

Short term why not give the gig to a Dunc on a game by game basis.

We have had too many changes of Management, we seem to have found the right formular that has got the team playing again.

Ok it was only one game, but that one game must be worth sticking with Dunc, while taking our time and rushing our next Manager, who knows, that next manager may turn out to be Dunc, every Manager has to start somewhere.

Personally I am more than happy for Dunc to take one game at a time, rather than a coach who comes in and brings in over complicated tactics and a big salary.

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11 Dec 2019 17:06:38
Game to game basis and temper expectations. For instance Utd are up for it at the moment so realistically if the effort and honesty is there from our lads that is all we can ask. Make sure the foundation is solid first and build from there.

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12 Dec 2019 08:56:15
people missing the huge point, ferguson doesn't wqant the job full time!

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See You Next Thursday Part 2

11 Dec 2019 15:18:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new podcast entitled, See You Next Thursday Part 2

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11 Dec 2019 13:44:25
Quick one for eds. Who else went with Silva did any backroom staff go with him like boe morte . or was it just Silva.

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{Ed002's Note - Luis Boa Morte remains Assistant Manager but Everton have yet to formally tell the PL of the departures.}

11 Dec 2019 17:41:18
Thanks ed 👍.

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11 Dec 2019 13:39:55
New Manager alert. Riquelme spotted at John Lennon, apparently the pilot was so amazed it was him he overshot the runway.

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11 Dec 2019 13:17:02
How about Moyes as number 1 with Dunc as his assistant with a progressive plan to promote Dunc to number 1 in the next couple of years?

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11 Dec 2019 13:39:45
Getting Moyes in to even clean the toilets is more embarrassing than losing to Liverpool 5-2.

Someone please wake me up when this nightmare is over.

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11 Dec 2019 14:12:02
no thanks.

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11 Dec 2019 15:26:10
Big no. he walked out on us, tried to take players with him, sacked from every club after he left.

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11 Dec 2019 19:35:34
I nearly fell into the we did ok with moyes but what we really did was sit in relatively cushioned, no chance of any higher doubtful we would go lower trap. Moyes idea should be binned he got lucky with us, and has not justified a job back here at all, his departure a well trodden path won't go down it, but if we can recreate the chelsea form against utd, it won't matter win loose or draw as we can see passion, commitment and a desire to win, not the wimpy wet lettuce stuff offered by Silva. Big dunc can handle being thrown in the deep end he is tall enough to hold his head above it all.

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11 Dec 2019 12:28:16
As a Red from the outside looking in, i think you could do a lot worse than keeping Big Dunc for five games or so before you make the right appointment. Rushing into it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Furthermore, i’d be very worried if i was a Blue going off some of the names you’ve been linked with. That Pereira fella just seemed to be Silva Mk.2. Emery is a terrible man manager who alienates his team by trying to be too clever all of the time. Ancelotti is far too Laissez Faire about everything and would have the players taking their own training sessions in Stanley Park.

After a succession of meek milled managers with little to no personality, all of whom seemed unable to coach a defence or create any connection with the fans or players, i think you could do a lot worse than Sean Dyche. Benitez would have been perfect but he doesn’t seem to want to come. First and foremost under Moyes (who may not be a bad short term appointment either) , everton had a clear structure and put graft, effort and character before any ill conceived ideas about tippy tappy football, which seems to have been lost as Moshiri goes around spending money like a kid in a sweet shop. Dyche is a big personality with big balls, and may yet change his style with a bit more money. He’d develop a connection with the fans and the players and i think he would be a good fit.

Other good possible contenders could be Gallardo, Ten Hag or Allegri, its just a question as any of them would want to come in this current predicament. Most of the touted replacements seem very uninspired and seem to miss the point as to what is wrong with this team. If i was an Everton fan i would be very worried.

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11 Dec 2019 13:06:38
tha comment showed as a red looking from the outside, poor :)

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11 Dec 2019 14:11:19
What was the point of that message, other to have a subtle dig at our predicament. 🤔.

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11 Dec 2019 15:00:00
I'm wondering if Mr Woolback is using a 'nom de plume'? 🤫.

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11 Dec 2019 15:12:31
literally came on to have a dig and say we deserve sean dyche, would you link mr dyche to arsenal too? as they are as much in trouble as us?

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11 Dec 2019 15:33:54
Hahaha no lads i was not intending to have a dig, i was legitimately trying to to start a conversation as to who you would all like to become manager realistically as there doesn’t seem to be a general consensus among Everton fans as to who they would like to get. If i wanted to have a dig i would have come on after the result last week but alas i did not.

I don’t think you should write off Moyes taking over until the end of the season though, he could help to restore a bit of identity which seems to be sorely lacking among the players.

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11 Dec 2019 15:34:23
I thought it was an honest assessment. Especially from a red. let's face it most of what he said is right.

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11 Dec 2019 16:28:05
Ok, Xmas pudding with creamy custard =Gallardo

Roast potatoes and stuffing =Ancelotti

Xmas crackers with mulled wine =Rafa


Leftover turkey butties =Moyes


Mr Woolly Back if you are really Santa? I have been a good boy (honest I have)

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11 Dec 2019 19:23:17
No reason to have a pop at what the lad thinks, you don't have to be a blue to have an opinion on what's happening at Goodison at the minute. That said, behave with the Dyche shouts, Woolback! He's not what we need at this time mate, he's not what we need at any time in my opinion. Moyes should not even be a consideration either, not enough water under the bridge for a lot of us right now.
There was a time when, after getting rid of a manager for whatever reason, it was exciting to see who we were linked with, who was interested in taking over etc. Now it's becoming tedious and too frequent. You're right, the board need to ensure that they get the right man so I haven't got a problem with Dunc being in charge until they sort out their mess.

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11 Dec 2019 10:34:59
If Dunc gets it until the summer I think someone like Sammy Lee as his no2 could really help him.

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11 Dec 2019 11:22:27
yeah get big sam in as DOF too.

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11 Dec 2019 12:42:38
Smit isn't to far off. Remember Sammy Lee on our touch line, professional.

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11 Dec 2019 13:05:13
It would be interesting to see who DF would choose, sure if Sammy is his choice and of course is he (Sammy) up for it?

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11 Dec 2019 14:12:31
I can imagine it now, Sammy hugging Duncs kneecaps when we score😂.

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11 Dec 2019 15:04:13
''up for it' lol Woburn no pun meant at all even if Sammy is on the 'vertically challenged' side 😊.

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11 Dec 2019 10:24:06
I have a read up about Gallardo and he looks pretty solid.

Yes it's south American football but nonetheless a good record. Leaving on his own will too and not being sacked like most of them.

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11 Dec 2019 10:21:36
I don't know, but doubt, weather anyone in the administration, ever monitors supporters views as expressed, not just on this site, but the many others expressing their views about the club, and yes there are some idiots that no sane man would consider, but their is also a wealth of footballing insight gained over many years.

Our owner has a wealth of financial expertise, but his only football involvement was at a club who would not allow him any input, yes he has a view and has paid dearly for it, he made one great decision, BRAND as director of football, so now it's time to cash in on that great appointment, take a step back and let him make the call on our next manager.

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{Ed033's Note - The weather is fairly windy no doubt.

11 Dec 2019 12:43:46
No need for that ED033! LOL.

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11 Dec 2019 09:28:37
joyce saying moshiri has personally took charge of manager hunt now and moyes is back in the frame. sigh, LET YOUR DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL MAKE THE CHOICE JUST SIT BACK AND LET HIM WORK FOR GODS SAKE, breathe out.

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11 Dec 2019 09:50:25
Totally agree, brands is employed as director of football let him pick who he feels is the right manager for us.

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{Ed002's Note - That is not his forte.}

11 Dec 2019 09:52:57
leading on from this, anyone think people will slowly start to turn against farhad? i know right that he pumps all this cash in and wants what's best for the club, but this constant thing of him doing stuff himself which isn't good footballing decisions is costing us more? as fans we're fed up of a non football expert making all the decisions and he knews this, hence why he got brands in, but he's not even using him can't resist the urge to get involved.

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11 Dec 2019 09:54:22
''and moyes is back in the frame. ''

Crikey there goes my appetite for lunch 🤢.

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11 Dec 2019 10:29:07
Brands should have some input though ed doesn’t he pick what style of football we play and the players to fit into that and then surely a manager who plays and has worked under that type of system?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, he will have input.}

11 Dec 2019 10:32:05
And Brands being reluctant to sack Silva when Moshiri wanted rid after the Norwich game.
How does that make you feel about Brands ability to make the right decision.

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11 Dec 2019 10:45:43
i think it will be moyes blue.

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11 Dec 2019 11:05:06
Smit - brands in my opinion has shown he’s got the ability to make right decisions, look how he’s transformed the squad since his arrival. Moved on lookman, vlasic, onyekuru, McCarthy, mirallas and Galloway to name a few and replaced them in my opinion with better players Iwobi, kean, Gbamin, Delph and sidibe. Unfortunately we haven’t seen the best of some of the new recruits yet (injury/ adjusting to league) but definitely upgrades on what he inherited.

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11 Dec 2019 11:07:41
WBlue, If he would come until may then go etc. I could live with that . however he probably wants to be around for the new stadium mate, and that fills me personally with a lethal dose of melancholy .

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11 Dec 2019 11:50:04
dont see the point in signing moyes mate, may aswel put duncan in until the end they'll both achieve marginally the same.

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11 Dec 2019 12:19:29
Yeah mate, if DF keeps getting the points let it 'take it's own course ' so to speak, why not .

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11 Dec 2019 13:07:43
duncan isn't the long term option for me, he doesn't even want it people keep missing! however if you're getting moyes then ask dunc to take interim until the end 100%.

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11 Dec 2019 13:59:50
I was being optimistic as well as kind, what I like about Dunc amongst other things of course, is his honesty and lack of 'XXL ego' in terms of he doesn't put himself as a long term contender.
Very refreshing in today's game and a big positive for EFC at this crucial time.

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11 Dec 2019 08:25:27
DCL seems to be turning into the forward we all hoped for.
Both he and Richarlison are on could end up with 15-20 this season if they continue as they are.
I think he should be playing every game and give him the confidence that he is number 1.

A few more from Sigi, Theo, Bernard etc. Will take the pressure of him.
I think he is going to turn into a quality forward.

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11 Dec 2019 12:51:32
With big Dunc given a major role now that they (Board) have seen his motivation ability, DCL will certainly continue I believe, in particular with a sidekick. Siggy, Schneids and Theo are not able to keep up the intensity we saw. Once Delph comes back (and keeps injury healthy) , it will give us that DM we are missing. Not forgetting Gdamin.

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11 Dec 2019 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 11th December 2019

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11 Dec 2019 00:08:31
Ssn reporting we will open talks with ancelotti yes please.

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11 Dec 2019 06:30:29
Be happy with him.

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11 Dec 2019 06:56:23
Great CV. Managed before in PL.

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11 Dec 2019 07:14:32
It is baffling but never the less unsurprising that Everton Board after literally months of hearing the disatisfaction with Silva, have not had a list of potential Managers ready. It may be deliberate on their part (suspect BK input) to prevaricate in order to slot Moyes into the top spot. Moyes/ Dunc/ Cahill could work.

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11 Dec 2019 07:33:23
Ancelotti all day but I suspect he will also talk to Arsenal at some point and I fear that the lure of London will prevail.

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11 Dec 2019 09:34:12
Always look on the bright side of life. If Ancelotti does go to Arsenal it could leave us with an opening to go and get Arteta

Either of them would be welcomed on Merseyside.

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