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11 Dec 2016 21:33:53
Hi ed do u think Koeman is under any pressure yet from above with this run of results?
{Ed025's Note - when you say above jbg....do you mean the lord or the board?...lol only joking mate.....i dont think he is just yet but things must improve or people will start asking questions im sure, the next 2 windows are crucial imo and progress must be made if his tenure is to bear fruit mate..
11 Dec 2016 17:40:15
message to mr koeman no mobile phones allowed on matchdays or while training.
12 Dec 2016 16:25:53
Wonder who took the photo.
12 Dec 2016 18:21:21
joel robles.
12 Dec 2016 19:48:48
Why would robles do that and then post it for everyone to see? Surly he must have known it would cause a bit of storm . or was that the whole point.
11 Dec 2016 17:19:37
So lads we take on table toppers Arsenal in 2 days time and what is the game plan?
My opinion we go all out and play 4-4-2.
Bring Holgate in for Mori and give Williams a defender with pace next to him who can also defend.
Arsenal have pace and flair in the final 3rd and if we play Barry we will concede fouls on the edge of our area and ask for trouble and possibly be down to 10. Mori and Jags are the same in and around the box and would be a penalty waiting to happen especially with the movement of Sanchez.
Inexperienced or not the only way Holgate gains experience is by playing but also by playing against sone top quality players.
Bring Ross back in for Barry and give Valencia a start.
We are on a bad run and if we persist with the same personnel and formation i believe we won't get out of this run for a while.
RK gets a decent wage so maybe its time he shows that he isn't one dimensional like our previous manager and actually changes it up a bit.
11 Dec 2016 18:47:57
Any result against them will be luck or a fluke. I do not say that in a disparaging way about the COYB, but rather were we have to aim. I have no idea why over the years we have not made an effort to say copy the Arsenal model, they always qualify for Champions League hence they always appear in the top 4.
12 Dec 2016 09:29:49
The only way i think we will get a result against the Gooners is on the counter so I think we need to play our fastest 11 outfield players given the fact that Steks Williams and Lukaku are nailed on we are looking at another 8 I would go with Steks, Coleman, Holgate, Williams, Baines,
Geuye Davies, Del, Rom, Valencia, Kev. I am not saying this is the best side we can put out but IMO the best counter attacking side. I would also like to see a rocket up Del's arse and him put in a defensive shift.
12 Dec 2016 12:42:52
This could be Koemans master plan, he has seen us play well against Arsenal for the last ten years and get nothing. maybe he thinks if we play badly we might win. :)
12 Dec 2016 16:15:13
I think we should offer our hospitality and give them a slap up meal before the game, plenty of champagne and a bit of something in it to slow them down. Their pace is about 30% better than ours throughout the teams. I can't see anything other than a red card for one of our players and a hammering. but football is a funny old game someone once said! You never know. Oh for another kid like Rooney coming through now!
12 Dec 2016 18:42:39
Tom Davies. Not Rooney, perhaps, but he'll be a hell of a player. He needs a go, though it would be a gamble to throw him in against Arsenal.
11 Dec 2016 14:12:25
Ok we all must agree we should of not only beaten Watford but destroyed them. I have no faith in us to turn a side over 3/ 4-0 anymore personally would like us to play 3 at the back baines and Coleman as wingbacks with either 3 man midfield withTWO upfront or 2 in midfield 2 upfront with one behind. If that didn't work try something else don't stick to one way of play. This January must be big fir us and none of this deadline day shot either on the 1/ 1/ 17 we best be either parading a new player or players.
{Ed025's Note - it seems like a battle of wills at the moment alyn, the players dont seem to be adapting to the managers style of play and something has got to give, as you say we need an influx of players to freshen things up, i know i keep saying it but dont expect miracles in january mate..
11 Dec 2016 16:39:37
Hi Ed025. Not sure what the managers style of play is at the moment. It was pretty clear to me what Martinez style was but I am not quite sure what Koeman wants the players to do. Whatever it is I presume that they are not doing it. Any ideas?
{Ed025's Note - apparently he is an advocate of the high press mike, watching us though its hard to believe as we are so sluggish, its been suggested that a lot of our team are not buying into that and thats where we have a problem, if this is the case then we are between a rock and a hard place and somethings got to give so its either change the manager or the players mate...its the players for me..
11 Dec 2016 17:02:40
Agree with above. Also, maybe Koeman doesn't know himself what is the best or first choice players. He has after all only 15 games under his belt. Prob has a good idea but if things don't work out as planned he obviously has to go back to square one.
11 Dec 2016 17:08:23
ed if the players aren't buying into koemans tactics get rid i they are a disgrace in any job you would be sacked.
{Ed025's Note - i agree OTB..
11 Dec 2016 17:33:31
Thanks ed appreciate your reply. It's pretty obvious that we need a clear out of players and new ones to come in but that will take time. At the moment we play with essentially 7 defensive minded players (I've included the goalkeeper and the two midfield players) and four attacking players. Very difficult to play a high press mode with that team. We need some attacking midfielders who can move the ball forward quickly and also score goals. Until we get this type of player maybe Koeman needs to asses what the players he has can do and modify the playing style to maximize the players capabilities. Let's face it the same players did pretty well for the first five games of the season. What style were they playing then?
{Ed025's Note - thats very true mike and thats why we have been saying that this is a minimum 2 year enterprise before the team will be koemans baby, as you say he can only do so much with this bunch and will gradually weed out the wheat from the chaff, it wont be easy mate and it will certainly be a bumpy ride...so fasten your seat belts..
12 Dec 2016 09:39:00
What some of us are missing is during the 1st 5 games of the season a lot of teams were also bedding in their players sorting out new systems and getting their own houses in order now they have settled down they are becoming much harder to play against. RK is actually finding out who is capable of playing the way he wants and it pretty obvious that there are not many. Its going to be a long hard season me thinks but I still think we will be stronger for it.
12 Dec 2016 12:40:27
Couldn't agree more sa90.
11 Dec 2016 14:00:58
Transition -
the process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another.
None of us are happy with the way things have been going lately, performances haven't been good enough and we can't seem to buy a win right now. But we all have to be mindful that RK and his staff have only been in the job five minutes. We brought the manager in a bit late and he was immediately hampered by the Euro's, similar situation for other managers but it didn't help him assessing our squad. Walsh came in too late to make a difference and we struggled to get our transfer targets in.
We are going to need a few windows for RK/ SW to do their thing and strengthen the squad, god knows we need players who can implement the pressing game we are trying to play. Some of the current squad do not seem able to do what is required of them.
As ed25 says, football is about opinions and we should respect the views of others but it can be hard when we see posts that slate the new investor/ board or question what RK has done in his career!
Rome wasn't built in a day, as the saying goes, and if anyone really thought that we was going to have an easy passage to European competitions then they really need to reassess their expectations. Let's all have a bit of patience, let RK build the team to the way he sees fit and then we can judge. Despite the bad form we have shown, I still believe we will move forward as a club and that RK, given the time, will get it right on the pitch. Have faith boys and girls.
{Ed025's Note - good post that spud mate..
11 Dec 2016 17:04:38
As always good post sudv!
11 Dec 2016 18:51:33
What has RK done in his career? He won 3 Dutch titles when rival clubs were falling apart, and the Copa del Rey with a decent Valencia team who had been in the Champions League when he took over and whom he left within a year of taking over with them 15th in La Liga. In a 16 year managerial career, he's left almost every club he's been at in a worse state than when he took over, the exception being Southampton. I will support him because he's the Everton manager, but not blindly, because I care more about the future of Everton than I do about any individual. It doesn't make sense simply to throw all of the blame on pretty much the whole squad, many of whom have been loyal servants to this club for years and who haven't just become rubbish en masse within a year or two (notwithstanding the damage Bobby did) . It's more than that going on and blind faith in a manager without getting the facts straight about his record won't help. I'm not saying get rid of RK of course - I don't want Everton to stoop to the level of some other clubs, and I will support him as long as I believe he has the club's best interests at heart. But he may have to adapt, by for example playing some U23s and stopping the hoofing up to an isolated Lukaku. Remember Mourinho at Chelsea last year. Their squad had just run away with the league and a few weeks later, they all looked rubbish. I don't know everything that went on, obviously, and you couldn't have argued with maureen's record at the time, but looking at how the same team is now playing again, the manager was clearly partly to blame. Maybe the players were wrong to react how they did, but just bringing a few new faces into the dressing room wouldn't have solved their problems and it won't solve ours.
11 Dec 2016 18:39:39
Cheers ed25 and nbtb, got to be positive haven't we!
{Ed025's Note - we have spud..
11 Dec 2016 19:51:38
coyb, I wasn't just meaning in his managerial career but his playing years as well. I believe it's relevant as he knows how to win things, the correct attitude to instil in his players. But those players have to want to listen and learn and, sadly, it seems as though there are a few who are just not on board with his style of play/ style of management. If they haven't got the self-discipline to adapt then they need to be shown the door. I don't think it is down to the manager to adapt to the players, that is down to each individual to listen to their boss and follow his instructions. He has his way of playing the game and he picks his team accordingly. If his current players can't do what he wants then they will be replaced during the next few windows.
All said and done, the records will show his team won the title so it doesn't matter what happened to the other teams. Over the season, his team got more points so there is nothing to belittle about his achievement. I'm sure the original tinkerman wouldn't care less that Spurs imploded in the last few games, that Chelsea were awful or City didn't challenge as expected. He still had to steer his team over the line and against the odds at that.
11 Dec 2016 19:51:57
Lol fair enough, spud. I'll shut up and try to be positive :-)
11 Dec 2016 21:58:48
haha don't shut up coyb it's always good to discuss things and see other opinions. We are all entitled to our views mate but I would say stay positive, this is the start of a better EFC and it will take a while to get the end results FM et al all want. Bound to be blips on the road and this is just one of them!
12 Dec 2016 08:36:55
Coyb i think at Chelsea once Maureen stopped making the PG Tips and went to Typhoo the players began to protest 😂.
12 Dec 2016 18:06:05
I assume they've gone back to the PG this year, Bluegray? Maybe we need some investment in better teabags at Finch Farm? Give the lads a biscuit as well and the sky's the limit!
11 Dec 2016 12:29:22
Hi all, tis the season of goodwil, Believe in it, there really is a Santa Claus and all of us lucky Evertonions are going to have a wonderful sack of surprises in the January transfer window, the biggest in Evertons history, so be joyful and no more moans and groans to all of our posters, and a very Happy Christmas, also to all our Eds, seasons greetings, and a big thank you for keeping us all up to date with the latest stories and info cheers, GuernseyBlue.
{Ed002's Note - Thanks GB.}
11 Dec 2016 12:55:38
Vacancy: full backs required must know how to block crosses and close attackers down. Full backs who want to be wingers need not apply. Midfielders who can press, pass forwards and score the odd goal. Tippy tappy back passers need not apply. Strikers who can press, work the line and score goals. Sulkers need not apply. Finally a keeper who dominates his box and can make easy saves as well as hard ones. Stek need not apply.
11 Dec 2016 10:45:04
Hey
. Koeman needs time. at least a Winter n Summer transfer window and a massive clear out. with that in mind, who else thinks Zaha is worth a punt. not simply based on yesterdays performance. but given he has scored 3 with 6 assists this season and a threat, if not an inconsistent threat.
Just a thought
Mart.
11 Dec 2016 16:07:57
That's basically buying Bolasie again.
11 Dec 2016 16:14:26
Hey
. maybe. that's why I memtioned inconsistency. yet we are without Bolassie till 2018 n his stats are better. agreed a gamble n depends on the fee I suppose. Bolasie may not have the same pace upon his return.
M.
11 Dec 2016 08:58:53
Just so people understand I do not want Koeman sacked. I do think he has got a few things wrong of late (dont we all at sometime) but the problem with EFC relates to all our signings since Moyes left. Look at the players we have signed and honestly are they better than what we had under Moyes? Alcaraz, Kone, Joel, McGeady, Niasse, McCarthy, Barry, Besic, Lukaku, Valencia, Bolasie, Williams, Gueye, Deulofeu, Barry, Mori and Cleverly. I would say these replaced Distin, Donovan, Hibbert, Hetinger, Naismith, Jelavic, Neville, Osman, Pienaar, Howard, Fellaini, Stones, Duffy, Anichebe and Vellios. I think as a group of players, they are not the sort you would want to go "in the trenches with". Whereas the Moyes lot would bebetter placed to put up a fight. So although a few are Koeman's signings. most of the poor one's were Martinez's.
{Ed025's Note - your penmanship is quite impressive degsy and also your memory, but lets give up on mentioning the old brigade in every post mate...half the time i think you do it just to wind people up.. :)
11 Dec 2016 10:16:18
Point taken Ed. But I put some posts on yesterday that were misconstrued. People thought I was blaming Koeman and I for one think he is the right man with Walsh to sort us. let's just say he has a bigger job than he expected. Our current squad is poor and weak in certain areas.
{Ed025's Note - weak in a lot of areas i would say degs, im not getting on your case mate as i respect your posts but i dont want others to see you as one trick pony who throws the osman and pienaar card in as a way of making your point..hope you understand..
11 Dec 2016 10:24:12
I wasn't going to post at all until I read your comment Ed025. All I'll say is I agree with Ed025 totally.
{Ed025's Note - its a difficult time on the forums for every evertonian NBTB so all im trying to do is keep it real and respectful, whatever happens this is still our club whether we like them or not at the moment, i will support them through thick and thin but i understand that supporters are entitled to a moan..especially when the players dont seem to be showing the same commitment as the fans mate..
11 Dec 2016 11:06:04
Dont worry guys. No offence taken and I know I go on a bit. and yes we need to strengthen in a few areas. but one particular area would sort a lot of our problems when playing the high pressing game.
11 Dec 2016 11:49:14
A Moan? Yes most definitely but constant moaning about the same thing wears on everyone. Doesn't help, especially when as you say people are p'd off.
11 Dec 2016 14:39:04
The difference between the moyes list to martinez list, is that moyes players were grafters compared to mostly flair players, unable to chase back and defend.
11 Dec 2016 08:37:00
Signings alone are not going to sort this out. There's more to it than the squad not being good enough. In 17 games this season, we've been well beaten by five teams that had, on paper, less able teams than us. Watford, Southampton, Burnley, Bournemouth, Norwich. Everyone says there are no easy games in the PL and to an extent that's right, but our team is full of players at least as capable as those at teams who've beaten us. If you don't think so, imagine the chat on here if our signings in January came largely from those teams.
{Ed025's Note - its very frustrating mate and i cant at the moment see any light at the end of the tunnel, we look lost as a club and the january window will have to produce a miracle for us to get back on track..
11 Dec 2016 12:27:16
As others have said Koeman only had about two weeks in the Summer Transfer Window - Clubs literally take months in behind the scenes negotiations long before we know about it - Walsh had no time at all and I would offer up that the majority of the back room staff - still being sorted by the way - also had little time to settle in. We really wanted Koeman and that took time with the obvious knock on's. let's see what happens next month and then with a full Summer under his belt. That said if we finish top 10 this season I would regard that as a job well done. One thing is certain if things had been left we would be staring relegation in the face even after 15 games.
11 Dec 2016 08:41:16
Hit 'post' before I'd finished. I'm obviously not saying there's nothing wrong with the team. Far from it - they're way off the pace. But there is something more fundamental that's wrong here that signings alone are not going to solve. The while squad looks demotivated and new players coming into that culture won't flourish. Something behind the scenes doesn't seem right.
11 Dec 2016 08:56:38
I'm wondering if a lot of the players know there going and that's why there not bothered. Think the tram will be totally different by next summer.
{Ed025's Note - lets hope so fanatic as this shower are a disgrace to the shirt at times mate..
11 Dec 2016 11:53:09
I agree coby. There seems to be more to it. Energy is at an all time low and seems that it's not a coincidence it has even happening over the last number of games.