Everton Banter Archive April 11 2019

 

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Top 10 Overrated Players

11 Apr 2019 10:06:12
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Top 10 Overrated Players

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11 Apr 2019 10:19:47
Surprised Ozil didn't make it onto this list Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - how can he be overrated when he is the most creative player in the modern game but still a load of clueless people don't rate him? If anything he is seriously underrated. The man covers more distance than most players on the pitch but then gets called lazy. He has created more clearcut chances than any other player over the last few years, how can he be overrated?}

11 Apr 2019 10:48:36
It's a matter of opinion Ed but I don't think he has the ability to adapt on the pitch. Don't get me wrong he's a fantastic football player but he is utterly useless when he's isn't given time and freedom. Not only that but he's marked out as a 'leader', what leadership qualities does he possess? Certainly not the type to inspire fight in his team mates. Also, you have to wonder why every manager he has worked with (people who know a lot more about the game than we do) has continually dropped him from the starting 11. That does not scream "underrated" to me.

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{Ed001's Note - erm that's not true. For one, he has never claimed to be a leader. Anyone talking like that is just proving they do not understand football. For two Mourinho never dropped him, he loved him, nor did a number of other managers before him. As for being utterly useless when not given time and freedom, he creates more chances than any other player in Europe, even when his team around him is playing terrible and he is given no time and space, such as in the World Cup in the summer, so you are just making up nonsense. I am sorry but you said it yourself: "he's a fantastic football player", so why do you have to make up crap to drag him down with that are nothing to do with his game? Next you will be saying he must be rubbish because he is not dominating in the air.

The man is the most creative player in Europe, but you want to criticise him for not being a Peter Reid-type leader. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Did you criticise Neville Southall for not scoring enough goals? Or perhaps you think Dave Watson was no good because he never went on mazy dribbles? It is just so ludicrous the sticks people use to beat Ozil with, simply because he is not a media darling.}

11 Apr 2019 11:22:26
Clearly this is something you feel very passionate about Ed. I think you're completely wrong about him creating chances when he's put under the kosh, as shown by his display against us on the weekend. 0 chances created, 0 key passes, 0 take ons, 0 dribbles completed. This isn't just a one off either. Can you not be a fantastic football player and still not live up to the hype? You literally said Pogba has "so much ability" in your piece yet he's overrated (I agree with you on that by the way) ? If you wan't to judge a player based on their stats then it's my opinion that it's very naive of you.

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{Ed001's Note - I never said Pogba was a fantastic football player, I said he had ability, there is a huge difference. A fantastic football player lives up to their ability. As for judging a player based on their stats, I am not doing so, nor would I ever, unlike you who have pulled out one game's stats to try and prove a point that you cannot prove as it is simply not true. And your stats are wrong anyway, as he did make 1 successful dribble according to WyScout's stats.

It is not about being passionate, it is about people not understanding the game and believing a player has to be exactly what they decide a player should be or they are not a great player. No one criticised Bergkamp for not tracking back, just praised him for what he did on the ball. Ozil plays the same role in a team, but he is criticised for not tracking back, even when he does. I have heard commentators complain about how he never puts in defensive work while he is chasing back into the right back position to win the ball back. That same commentator then called him lazy as he played a succession of one-twos that took him from the edge of his own box to the edge of the opposition box before creating a simple chance for Iwobi to miss badly.

It is not me that is naïve. I don't judge based on one game and pull out stats from one game to base an argument on.}

11 Apr 2019 11:51:56
I think we’ll leave it there Ed. As I said, it’s a matter of opinion. What I will say is if he was so underrated as you proclaim, I don’t believe there would even be an argument there to say he’s overrated. You don’t hear this argument with De Bruyne, Silva etc.

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{Ed001's Note - that is the stupidest comment of all. I give up, if that is the extent of your arguments then you are clearly just wasting everyone's time.}

11 Apr 2019 13:48:18
Bitter who rates Ozil as a great player worth mega bucks? I can't think of anyone or he would have moved by now. he's just a good player with some good and bad attributes but hardly overratedby the masses.

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11 Apr 2019 14:42:55
Ozil the most creative player in the modern game. in Europe! no. he isn't. ozil has no consistency, disappears in certain games. hazard creates more, much more than ozil.

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11 Apr 2019 15:20:29
If you don't like my opinion on Ozil, you'd probably hate to hear who else I think is overrated ;)

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11 Apr 2019 20:07:24
If it was the most overrated players of all time I would have Beckham in there . but hay it's all about opinions.

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11 Apr 2019 22:08:33
Well you can’t drop in that snippet and leave it there Bitter, do let us know.

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12 Apr 2019 10:02:44
The problem with this topic is its based on opinion and is too subjective. The hype comes from the acceptance of other's points of view being the recognised norm. Players are players with strengths and weaknesses there is also a lot of luck involved. Take goal keepers for example is the best goal keeper in the world the one that makes 1 save but only has 1 shot taken at him or the keeper that saves 19 out of 20?

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12 Apr 2019 14:15:20
The keeper who makes one save is better as he has obviously been stood watching all game but still saved his team when called upon.

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12 Apr 2019 16:18:16
Who was the shot from? If it was Cuco Martina then I don't rate him, if it's a 30 yard sledgehammer from aguero then that's different.
Who were the 19 shots from?

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12 Apr 2019 18:29:18
Thats my point smit666 to many variables, people will have an opinion on different players based on different criteria. Just presume all the shots are reasonably good. The keeper who only has one to save may save the one, but does that make him a better keeper than the one saving 19 shots. If the guy saving 19 shots only had 18 shots taken at him then who is better keep then. The team as a whole plays an important part in how good a player is perceived to be. No right or wrong answers just differences of opinions.

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12 Apr 2019 18:29:27
There is no way it would’ve been a shot from Cuco Martina that would’ve gone wide and high!

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12 Apr 2019 18:45:55
To name just a few Southern Toffee; Lloris, Rakitic, Robertson, Moutinho, David Luiz, Hulk, Dele Alli.

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12 Apr 2019 21:03:12
Let's assume it was a 1 eyed 3 legged donkey taking the shots/ shot at both keepers. Then whose better?

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Liverpool v Porto - A Liverpool Perspective

11 Apr 2019 10:05:25
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Review Of The Day 11th April 2019

11 Apr 2019 07:29:01
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