10 Sep 2016 13:04:13
Hi Ed am on holiday in Canada and have just been on here for the latest updates and I cannot believe some of the tripe some so called Everton fans are putting on here about Bill and our club, he was the best Chairman we ever had a true blue and I hope when Mr Moshiri purchases the rest of the shares he will stay with us
, a true blue let's get behind the club and stop all this negative stuff, thanks Ed, GuernseyBlue.
10 Sep 2016 15:10:37
Yes, how very true, only too him 20 years of stagnation to find an invester, and as for that wonderful staduim he promised on kings dock, well i'm sure we would not have liked it, then of course there were the david and bill years, where are expectations of winning something were lowered without us hardley noticeing, but that became a wee bit more difficult when we never won a single game at unt, arsenal chelsea or liverpool, still, bill's loyalty to dave was well rewarded with the principaled way dave left for united, and then of course his master stroke of appointing martinez, so thanks bill, you played a blinder.
10 Sep 2016 17:58:22
You haven't got a clue JCW. The fact you are able to see Everton play any kind of football today is down to Kenwright who saved us from being extinct.
Do you even understand how hard it is to find a buyer for a club that has the club and fans interests at heart? Take a look at all of the takeovers for last 20 years and there are a handful that have actually been successful. Of those clubs aside grom the last two years maybe two or three have finished above us.
"If you know your history" I seriously question if some fans even know what this means.
10 Sep 2016 18:20:30
Well said JCW100 mate, we have a lot of Bury your head in the sand supporters here, they just don't know Bill.
10 Sep 2016 20:34:20
Sadly this topic will always divide opinion. We're all entitled to one, and mine is a positive view of his Chairmanship.
One question I'd like to ask those who disagree
If you remortgaged your house as BK did, would it have raised the funds needed to make the difference it did? As mine wouldn't. Just that alone gets my respect.
10 Sep 2016 23:29:39
Stig, you know Bill better than anyone then?
Not having a go at you just don't understand where you get how BK is somehow out for himself or somehow done Everton harm. Don't get it at all.
Who else would have done a better job?
11 Sep 2016 00:20:44
Im with NBTB on this one. Kenwright saved us from peter johnson, and did the best he could, or the best he thought he was doing, for a club he has running through his veins. he is probably the least wealthy chairman in the EPL, re mortgaged his home to help us, yet in all his years, he has kept us going. if you want have a pop at him, go to your bank, see about a hefty loan, and throw it into the club. if not the have a bit of respect for blueblood bill.
11 Sep 2016 02:11:06
For the record, I do know something of our clubs history, saw us win the championship, against Fulham, in 1963, been going ever since.
I don't hate bill, but can anyone seriously dispute, that he has over promised, and grossly underdelivered, for a very long time?
11 Sep 2016 08:07:32
He could of sold the club long ago but in my opinion he just blatantly refused to let anyone else buy his train set because he wanted it all for him self.
11 Sep 2016 08:29:33
I can seriously dispute any argument you can throw up on BK being a bad chairman. You must have been asleep during the 90's JCW.
He didn't have billions and not even mega millions. However, whatever he had he put it into the club to stop it from going under so ungrateful Evertonians who didn't put their livelyhoods on the line to act like petulant children to moan and treat his generosity like a kid not getting what he wants.
The EPL is one of the toughest leagues in the world and yet we have competed in it without those dark days returning were it looked like we would finally fall.
It has been so difficult to find a buyer that is going to invest the kind of money to transform the club. Do you think it's like putiing it up on Zoopla and a couple of weeks later it's sold?
This stadium and sight now is probably going to cost £350 to £400 mil. That is the type of investment we are looking at. Even the guys at City didn't put that investment in as the stadium was already there.
Investment in clubs are usually a massive disaster because they buy the club for success on the pitch before there is success off it. We are lucky that the foundations of the club are in a very good position. There is plenty of scope for improvement which makes us more inviting and now with a backer who can deliver on it.
We've had a good summer, a good start to the season and I for one am looking forward to a good campaign. I have no idea what poeple like you are looking for? Some people just want to moan for the sake of it.
{Ed001's Note - what is it people have against Kenwright? Have people forgotten the multibillionaires who had shares in the club but refused to invest any money in to help him? Why does that bell Grantchester get away with not putting a single solitary penny of his billions in? Or the other couple of billionaires? How has it all become Kenwright's fault that the much richer portion of the ownership refused to do anything other than look to take money out of the club?}
11 Sep 2016 08:35:03
I can forgive BK for not selling the club especially to 'dodgy' buyers etc. Yes he saved us from Johnson and I will always respect his love for all things EFC!
However my 'beef' is the Martinez debacle and his obstinacy regarding his record in the PL! all we ever got was 'he's a winner' and 'look he won the FA Cup' no mention of relegation and the danger of relegation that he undoubtedly presented to our beloved Everton instead we got 'what a manager'
This sent alarm signals ringing for me because I felt BK himself had become a liability.
He blindly put his faith in a fraudulant guy that oozed BS so much he became a universal laughing stock!
{Ed001's Note - or was he just saying the right things? It was no more than the vote of confidence a chairman often gives a manager just before sacking him. They say it to ensure the players don't just down tools and they can be sure it is the manager that is failing. I am not sure I would judge Kenwright on some public statements mate. He was always preparing for a new regime last season, so he had to back the manager until the season ended, or risk the turmoil of a caretaker appointment. It was a long time in coming the Moshiri investment, so he would have had to weigh up whether to change things, knowing that Moshiri would want his own man in place at the end of the season, or just let things ride.}
11 Sep 2016 08:59:20
What you say adds up in many ways and his saving grace in the RM thing is bringing FM into the club without any doubt. The players downing tools if he doesn't publicly back the manager?
If he felt he had to do that with professional grown men then that opens up a bigger can of worms imo.
The appointment was a mistake the world and his wife now know this, we all make mistakes and some of us hold our hands up as soon as it becomes apparent we have erred others carry on with a charade .
Thats all I'm saying.
{Ed001's Note - why do you think chairmen give a vote of confidence in a manager? They already know they are considering getting rid because they think he is not the right man, yet they all do it. So why is it suddenly opening up a bigger can of worms because it happens at Everton, and not for the first time either? Sometimes it works, as it did for your greatest manager ever, Howard Kendall. More often than not it changes nothing and the manager gets the boot. There is nothing more a chairman can do but give the chosen manager his backing until the day he sacks him.}
11 Sep 2016 09:29:18
Backing the manager for the 'Clubs overall welfare' I get however backing a very poor manager with a 'whoop of joy' fashion in an excited state ''what a manager' well no I think that was over doing it a tad.
11 Sep 2016 10:28:34
We wouldn't have got a Koeman if we sacked Martinez mid season. We were not in danger of being relegated so there was no need to panic. In terms of the what a manager "statement", it was a guy on a mobile recording what he was saying to a couple of fans. Hardly a prepared statement for Sky Sports News was it?
This is why blue, fans don't manage clubs. We would all be terrible at it and bankrupt in a week.
As for this Martinez payoff most clubs payout the remainder of contracts. Moyes got £5.8 mil from United, Villa-Boas got £12 mil from Chelsea, Mourinho has had tens of millions and probably more in payouts than actual wages and the list goes on. After that first season no-one can deny that Martinez's stock was high and no doubt had many admirers. However, there is no-one on this earth that has a crystal ball to see the future.
Remember though, we are just fans and supporters not investors or employees. What they do is best for the club and business not for a fan base that has a million different views among it. They can't and shouldn't try to please everyone.
11 Sep 2016 10:51:34
John we wouldn't have had a Catterick if Carey had refused to get in the back of that taxi, just think if he had said to Moores 'nope I'm riding up front with the driver'
imagine the headlines ''Sacked in the front of a taxi'' just isn't the same is it?
Just kidding mate, look I normally agree with your posts and have a lot of respect for your opinions however on the RM thing we will always disagree as for who BK said his bit about Martinez ''what a manager' to, well even if he sang it with a couple of 'oompa loompas' giving it a backing chorus I would still say the same .
11 Sep 2016 21:05:18
I don't think there are two people the same Blue. Everyone has a difference of opinion to the next person.
I didn't want Martinez and remember arguing with plenty on here over his appointment and the lack of ambition shown in getting him.
A season later I was praising him for his positivity and thought we might go places with him I was even appologising for doubting him. 3 months later I was hating him again.
One opinion is clear though, we all love our club and the one thing we can agree on is we want it to be successful. I'm sure we are back on the road to being back were we think we belong.
{Ed025's Note - i know what you mean shogs 3 games in and there is a break..