Everton Banter Archive June 10 2016

10 Jun 2016 18:40:49
Osman was just a yard of pace short of being a great player in his prime, but still gave everything and had good control and vision and scored important goals. Piennar brought out the best in baines and same issue. another yard would have made him a great, but had guile and flair. Pace from a standing start makes so much difference. hopefully our newly created midfield will play less sideways and have some speed and creativity under koeman.
Hope koeman can get Barkley into shape and get him more involved, looked laborious during much of last season, and his head dropped too easily.

11 Jun 2016 07:34:34
Would have loved Osman and Hibbert to have been kept on in some non-playing capacity.

11 Jun 2016 08:54:23
I agree. But how many ex players can we employee behind the scenes. The new regime will be running a bussiness more than a retirement home for former players. the 2 player mentioned have been loyal to our club in a world when players jump ship at the slightest oppotunity. wish them well in there futures and thank them for there efforts over the years.

11 Jun 2016 08:09:45
Have to agree wholeheartedly with your assessment mate. I would add the following criticisms of our current players signed by RM. This is why I feel our squad has deteriorated so much and people think I am negative. It is actually a genuine assessment and how I see things. I will also include the players who have since gone. Alcaraz: was never a top player. Was slow and certainly on his last legs. Robles: generally adequate and has improved. Still young and could therefore be of use. Kone: greatly overated by RM and although strong and with a neat touch at times, uninspiring. Very poor goals return for a forward. McCarthy: great engine. Will run and run all day. Tackles back after long sprints regularly. However, seems unwilling to pass forwards and run at defenders. Always holds the ball up and plays square or backwards? Coached or confidence? Barry: was obviously a class act and we have squeezed just about as much out of him as possible. Was never a great goalscorer but again a great engine. But the gearbox is broken. he can't get out of third gear now. Woefully lacking in pace. McGeady: signed on reputation? His fitness was so poor when he arrived and I understand he is still eating all the pies. Confidence shot to bits. Besic: Still young and could play a part. Another great engine but inconsistent. Great game one week terrible the next. Another poor goals return for a player with his ability. Cleverly: another great engine who will play any position and run and run all day. Very poor goals return and not too much guile for a forward midfielder. Funes Mori: great signing and RM's one star in my view. Good all round defender who chips in with a fair share of goals from set pieces and general play. Lukaku: When he wants can be awesome. But he has the attitude of a 10 year old sulking kid who walks off holding the ball saying, "it's my ball, game over! ". Niasse: 13 million? What? I have not seen enough to really judge him, but his feet don't seem attached to his brain. they are working at different speeds! Deulofeu: what a cross this kid has. I wish I could say more about him. When he first burst onto the scene there was real hope. But stop his crosses and you stop him playing. Lennon: became 3rd choice at Spurs for a reason. His confidence was shot to bits and at times he has done a sterling job for us. But is he real top quality? Will we challenge the likes of Spurs by signing their 3rd choice winger? Well that is my assessment of why I think we have gone backwards big time in the last 3 years. The quality of players like Osman and Pienaar who may have lacked a little pace. but were included in a team that maximised the pace of the overlapping fullbacks are retiring. The players brought in are infrior. That is why we ended up 11th. Simple really. We need 5 or 6 top quality players. Koeman had better get on with the job soon!

10 Jun 2016 18:22:47
Try mcgeady aswell waste of space.

10 Jun 2016 15:35:23
At present, our 25-player aged-over-21 squad contains 6 centre-midfielders:
McCarthy, Barry, Barkley, Clerverly, Gibson and Besic. Each is versatile and some can play as emergency defenders, some as wide players and some as attackers (number 10s) , but they are primarily centre midfielders.
We have several U21/ U18 centre-midfielders - Davies, Ledson, Walsh, Williams, etc. - who can be backups.
So, which, if any, of the 6 older players would you move out and who, if anyone, would you like to bring in as an experienced centre-midfielder?

10 Jun 2016 16:29:37
out Gibson in Rooney.

10 Jun 2016 18:18:54
Out Gibson and mo besic. i'm wijnaldum (newcastlw) and Jordan ferri (lyon player)

Wjnaldum can play cam, cm or on the left. Ferri is cdm bur his range of passing and long range shooting is boss.

10 Jun 2016 18:54:15
I'm not sold on wijnaldum but he does add a threat. As for Ferri doesn't look like he would add goals to our midfield and we need that next season. He has only scored 6 goals his whole career.

I'm holding any thoughts of players until after the Euros. There's no point in rushing purchases.

10 Jun 2016 18:54:15
I'm not sold on wijnaldum but he does add a threat. As for Ferri doesn't look like he would add goals to our midfield and we need that next season. He has only scored 6 goals his whole career.

I'm holding any thoughts of players until after the Euros. There's no point in rushing purchases.

10 Jun 2016 21:18:37
I'm happy with them all and wouldn't sell any. Barry is on his last season so we will have one less after next season as it is. Barkley centre midfielder? He can be but not in the current 5 midfield system.

It depends what way the new manager plays. Only way I'd like to see centre midfield strengthened is maybe get competition for Barkley.

As I said Barry is gone soon enough so I'd hold onto the other 5 as injuries will inevitably happen.

10 Jun 2016 15:26:30
As it stands, we have a full (25 player) squad of aged-over-21 players. (I'm excluding Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar and Mattioni, as they're out-of-contract. ) '
So, if we wanted to bring in new aged-over-21 players, we'd have to create space in the squad by moving out some players (on permanent transfers or on long-term loans) .
We have 9 defenders:
Coleman, Browning, Baines, Oviedo, Garbutt, Jagielka, Stones, Mori and Pennington. Some of these can play in several positions, but are primarily defenders (full-backs or centre-backs) .
We also have several U21 and U18 defenders (Galloway, Connolly, Kenny, Holgate, etc. ) who can be backups for the first-team squad.
So, of the 9 defenders in the first-team squad:
(1) Which, if any, would you move out (permanently or loan) ; and
(2) Who, if anyone, would you bring in - assuming you don't rely on our U21/ U18 players as backups?
(Remember that we have to balance the outgoings and incomings to stay within the 25-player limit for registered aged-over-21 players) .

10 Jun 2016 18:25:03
Loan out Holgate and browning and pennington and bring in van dijk and lewiss dunk

We've got ball player and need a couple of yard dog's who will stick there head on a brick if it stops a goal.

10 Jun 2016 21:21:02
Cowpat, how many places have we left if any in our 25 man squad? Assuming all players stay. Interested in how many players we could potentially sign.

10 Jun 2016 21:40:45
I'd loan Browning and Pennington out and try and sign a right back and goalie.

Midfield I'd remain the same. Maybe competition for Barkley otherwise I'd see how midfield fairs for next season under new manager and system.

Up front I would sell Kone and sign a striker instead. I'd give Niasse a proper chance. I know he looks like a lemon but I'd make sure after spending £13.5m so give him a proper chance next season.

That is assuming we keep everyone else. Obviously anyone who leaves apart from them would have to be replaced.

So that's a goal keeper, right back and striker. Competition for attacking midfielder/ Barkley if possible as well please santy! Thank you.

10 Jun 2016 10:26:13
So it has been reported that Stones has turned down Barcelona in favour of Man City. Might it not be the case he has turned down Barcelona because he wants to stay with us?

10 Jun 2016 11:52:49
Report said he turned down 90,000/ week meaning he receive more. Let's compete that one.

10 Jun 2016 14:20:19
Didn't know we'd received and accepted a bid, so how can he turn them down. 10/ 10 on the bollocksometer.

10 Jun 2016 09:34:38
Perhaps the Eds (who seem better informed and more level-headed) can comment, but here's my take on all the stories that appear in the media about transfers, etc.
Most (if not all! ) of what we ordinary fans hear and read is from the Internet, social media and the traditional media (press, television, radio) . Very few of us have genuine contacts - despite what many fans/ posters claim about who they know or who they're related to or who they've met!
The stories on the Internet are overwhelmingly from websites that trawl for information and just repeat whatever they find. These websites haven't actually sourced the original stories themselves and don't research or check them - they just repeat them. There are verry few truly original stories. The fact that a particular story appears on many different websites doesn't make it any more true, but just shows how the story once started grows like wildfire.
As for social media, that is usually as reliable as a chocolate teapot for accurate stories. I'm not saying there aren't some genuine stories from reliable people on Twitter, etc., but genuinely accurate information is few and far between.
As for the traditional media, these days they too trawl for information and repeat it as "gossip". There are very few instances of a journalist actually sourcing, researching or checking an original story that they report.
An honourable mention should go to journalists on local newspapers (and occasionally local radio) who are genuinely close to their local clubs and do speak with their contacts at them and do try to present original and researched/ checked and accurate stories.
Also, although it may pain some fans/ posters to read this - when I hear "Sky sources tell us" during a report, I tend to believe that their information has genuinely been received first-hand by a reporter who's actually in contact with the club and/ or people involved in the transfer (or whatever the story is) . I'm not saying that these "sources" aren't using the media to manipulate situations, but I do believe that the "source" actually directly involved in the stories being reported - or at least very closely involve d to those people that are - has provided the information.
Once agai, in my humble opinion, just because a rumour appears in many places doesn't make it any more likely.
However, the banter that it leads to is great fun and we all enjoy the craic :-)

{Ed002's Note - I suspect that is a very fair summary Sid.}

10 Jun 2016 13:27:31
Yep. Really good post that Sid. And you're right, it's the opertunity to comment on what we read that makes this site for me.

10 Jun 2016 08:10:07
At the start of the season there will be a new manager and probably some new players. No doubt there maybe occasions where mistakes are made as players and manager get to know each other etc. It is important the fans recognise this and be patient. then we don't get reports of fans getting on players backs etc.

Some players may be affected by having played in the euros and not having had the same break as others. Please be patient.

10 Jun 2016 06:34:39
Good to hear that goodison is getting a revamp. However I would have welcomed an improvement in the catering.
There was a time when goodison had the finest Eccles cakes in the land, the food on offer now doesn't even look biodegradable let alone edible.

10 Jun 2016 07:57:26
Made me laugh that. "The finest Eccles cakes in the land. " Everton's finer years. Now it's gone to rack and ruin. You can tell a football club by her Eccles cakes. It's looking bleak.