Everton Banter Archive July 10 2014

10 Jul 2014 23:18:31
Trust Besic rumours have some substance. Thought he was class in World Cup and looked made for EFC.

Where would he fit in to our team? Which other players would he be rotated with?

10 Jul 2014 21:31:35
An agent called James cross and a Spanish agent called Alex guede had a meeting wit Roberto today in finch farm about a Spanish speaking World Cup player, who I don't know and I can't find any info on players they might represent.

10 Jul 2014 22:23:21
Spanish media are reporting that Carlos Sanchez, Columbia's defensive midfielder, has signed for Everton today.

My mistake Alex guede is a Spanish lawyer and not agent.

Back in the day, it was clandestine meetings (aka tapping-up) between managers and other clubs' players at remote and isolated locations or in obscure hotel rooms (booked under assumed names) that were the settings for transfer negotiations. Then - to many people's surprise - the done deal was reported in the newspapers and fans would wonder at how another transfer coup had been achieved.
Nowadays, with agents (and all sorts of other middle-men) involved - plus the 24-hour news media (with their "sources" feeding info), it's pretty much impossible to keep deals secret. That's why there are so many rumours being circulated and repeated - especially on social media. All the club can do is act properly by saying nothing (they shouldn't be commenting on other clubs' players anyway) until all parties have agreed a deal. Some hope with our insatiable appetite for gossip about our clubs - and the clubs, players, agents, etc., using all means to get the best deal for themselves!
:-)

10 Jul 2014 20:36:45
Surely with Athletico signing Mandzukic that's rules them out of the Lukaku race. Nothing should stop us going in for him!

10 Jul 2014 18:43:37
lets put to bed some really dodgy rumours and move on players not signing sanchez cleverly heskey (must be a red nose who said that) Spanish bob will bring in some players that we all go WHO! but them 3 above will defo not sign.

10 Jul 2014 16:43:05
Some interesting information (to me at least!) in the latest (July 2014) issue of the official Everton monthly magazine that five of our young players - Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt, Conor McAleny, John Lundstram and Matthew Kennedy - will join the first team for pre-season training when RM takes the first team squad to Austria next week. It's up to those players to impress and take any first team opportunities that then arise. It looks odds on to me that they'll be selected for some Europa League (and perhaps Capital One Cup) matches this coming season. Let's hope that some of the other youngsters currently in Austria for the U-21 and U-18 pre-season training also do enough to come through this season.

10 Jul 2014 19:34:35
IMO Sid, I don't think that's going to be good enough for their progression. The likes of Chelsea and now Liverpool seem to be getting it correct with the dealings of their youngsters. If you look at all the players that Chelsea had loaned out last seaon, its easy to see that they're going to be cliser to a prem 1st team than any of our youngsters. Last season, we had Duffy loaned out to Yeovil, and he was respectivly in the best leaugue in comparison to our other youngsters. And what happend to Yeovil? Relegation. Liverpool have had Borini, Saieedi and another feller (cant remember who) all on loan to prem teams last season, and all three came on leaps and bounds in playing key roles in each club. I think if we want our youngsters to be progressed, we need to look at loaning them abroad at a highest level, or to a lowly prem league.

QB: interesting point. I fear that it might not be that we're loaning our youngsters to inferior sides, but rather that these players still aren't ready to play at the higher-level. Besides, if they were good enough to be playing (on loan) at a higher level - domestic or foreign - then they'd surely be part of our first team squad that's competing on four fronts this season. IMHO (and stating the bleeding obvious!) a player's period on loan at a lower league club is the key to deciding if they're good enough for our first-team squad, or need a second (deciding) period on loan, or should be released. Harsh, but NSNO is surely what the club demands. Talent - like Barkley - will always come through and RM has shown that he'll give young talent the opportunity to progress and succeed.

10 Jul 2014 22:47:47
I do agree with what you're saying Sid, and in our case financially, we need as many players from the youth team as we can get, but for them to progress much better during loan stints, surley we should be looking at better quality teams for them to grow around.

An example would be Atsu for Chelsea. He was a regular at Porto, and then Chelsea bought him and Loaned him to a dutch side. A side that is vying up to be a feeder club for Chelsea. When he comes back (when he is needed), he's going to have experienced playing against the best in the Eredivise. Conversally, Kennedy was playing a decent amount of games for Kilmarnock. But after we bought him, we kept him playing for our youths and then loaned him to 2 different league 1 sides for a month or so each. Why do that? If we're going to loan a player out, we should do it at least consistently, with the same club. It takes a while for a player to settle.

We've defo got the talent in our youths, but if we loan in another Gerrard Deulofeu from a Barca or Mardrid, and play them at the expense of our own, then there won't be much progress. I know RM has only been here a year, and obvs majority of my concerns spill over from the Moyes era, where no chance was given to our youth. But I just want us to be getting it all right, because there are 2 or 3 players in the youth system, that have so much potential, if they're managed correctly.

10 Jul 2014 14:51:06
Since Mario Mandzukic has signed for Atletico Madrid, does that mean that Romelu Lukaku is poised to join either Everton or Tottenham?

10 Jul 2014 17:32:23
Rumours are that Bayern Munich are looking at lukaku as an option to Lewandowski

10 Jul 2014 11:00:41
We were "linked" with the two Dutch centre-backs, Bruno Martins Indi and Stefan de Vrij, but I have to say that neither has overly impressed me during the World Cup matches. They don't - surprisingly for what are usually technically skilled Dutch footballers - look comfortable bringing the ball out of defence (whereas our John Stones looks good doing that) and they make rash challenges giving away needless free-kicks (which Jagielka and Distin don't do). Other than the two Dutch players being younger than Jagielka and Distin, I just don't see how they'd be suitable longer-term replacements. IMHO it'd be like having Heitinga and Yobo at the heart of our defence - two players who, despite being established Internationals, always had a mistake in them as far as I was concerned. I hope that one of our U-21 or U-18 players comes through the ranks to eventually partner Stones - or RM brings in someone who can fit the bill :-)

Agree totally. Neither anything special. Would like to see Robbie replace Peanut with Baines, and bring Oviado into L/B slot.

Woburnblue: interesting shout about moving Baines further upfield, but imho - and based on RM's comments - Baines might more likely be occasionally used in a defensive midfield role (the Barry, McCarthy or Gibson positions) rather than wide left. Oviedo and Garbutt should give us good options at left back if (when?) Baines plays defensive midfield - which I could imagine happening in a Europa League match if Barry, McCarthy, etc., are rested. I can see a lot more squad rotation this season - not only to keep players fresh, but also to test the younger players in proper competitive (especially cup) matches.

Sid, would rather see him attacking mid could do a lot of damage down the left, whilst still covering the L/B. But agree it will be interesting to see what Robbie has in mind.

10 Jul 2014 09:06:27
Dirty tabloid reporting that we're in a 2 horse race with Wolfsburg for Athletico Madrid midfielder Josh Guilavogui. Young, tall, defensive midfielder. We definitely need one more in the squad.

If not two with Europe as well

The Bosnian lad Hadzic look versatile for Def. and Att. MC. why not link him?

We've still got defensive midfielder Francisco Junior - is anyone else surprised that he hasn't left the club just like Vellios and Gueye have?

Francisco Junior is nowhere near good enough to be a prem league dm far to lightweight even a feather would knock him over.

10 Jul 2014 08:18:55
When will you lot start believing some of the things I post? Over a month ago I stated that the reason Barry had not signed was because City had got us to sign a clause when we had him on loan. In this clause, it stated that should he sign on a permanent for us, we would have to pay in the region of 2 million. I added that I did not know if this was legally enforceable, but it was within the loan contract. Well some of you ridiculed me for saying such a thing and some of the rubbish I have read about Barry not wanting to sign or being past it etc. Please believe me that I only post these things if I am in the know. I also state if my source is newspaper rumours or media rumours.

In fairness degs it's a rumour site and none of us personally know each other so take all of it with a pinch of salt

Irrespective of the legitimacy of the loan deal contract which IMO would cease to be enforceable when the loan deal ended, and Barry became a free agent, there seems to have been negotiation taking place which took time and resulted in Gareth Barry contributing to the supposed £2m by taking a £5k a week reduction from rumoured £60k to £55k in order to sign for the Blues. Just a thought!

Interesting idea about the financial arrangements, but it's all academic now that he's signed.

When has this been confirmed clearly a player who's contract runs out is a free so rather than pay 2mil you would wait till he's realised on the 31st of June and pay nothing, not rocket science

{Ed025's Note - everton had signed a contract mike, to get his services last season they had to mate, and it was legally binding..

09 Jul 2014 23:35:20
Just a point on ssn having City as odds on favs to sign Barkley. I say this every year, Sky have a TV station and a betting company (can't believe this is allowed by the way. .Massive conflict of interest in my opinion) it only takes a few favourite backers to part with there hard earned cash seeing stories like this to make it worth while. So whilst it may be true, I very much doubt it is!

{Ed007's Note - Wise words, Stu, very wise. As a non-gambler any time I hear 'Sly sources understands' my BS alarm (and my dog) goes haywire! Sly Spurts News is just an extension of Slybet, what other 'news service' gives odds on the news? Imagine the Beeb offering you odds of how many metres they will get near to a military coup or an 'enemy' stronghold, all the while knowing the answer because it's already on tape.}