Everton Banter Archive February 10 2018

10 Feb 2018 22:33:52
I have moaned about Morgan Shneids all season. However, as I have said before, it is up to supporters to support. I was absolutely disgusted at our fans for the first time of my 61 years. If people want to boo a man in an Everton shirt. wear red! I will not say any more than that!

10 Feb 2018 22:58:13
There was groans and boos by me but talking to people it was aimed at sam for not bringing on a fresh attacker and go for the kill not aimed at morgan personally, he was clapped on when the announcer said his name.

10 Feb 2018 23:48:16
Nope he was booed Johny. Only a few like me clapped him and a few cheered when he made a tackle.

The other players would have thought why do we bother. We were winning and it should have been time to build on the feel good factor. Instead it left a bad taste.

11 Feb 2018 07:48:39
I agree we shouldn't be booing anyone mate i can only talk for the people by me and i was frustration at sam but even that doesn't warrant the boos its not on million percent morgan took it as aimed at him and it will only crush the tiny bit of confidence he had left.

10 Feb 2018 21:01:13
Sam Allardyce far from the neanderthal many think of him, has a sports science and cold calculated approach to the game. I would expect therefore now that we have achieved 34 points, to know with some certainty we are safe and now to achieve a higher position and with it greater funds, for him to continue with the sort of setup we had today. Rooney in that position in my opinion was superb, gueye along side him was near enough back to the gueye we know he is. Final, booing a guy before he comes on as substitute is unacceptable, those of you that did should be ashamed.

10 Feb 2018 21:16:25
full marks mate.

10 Feb 2018 22:26:28
Only 2 people voted for us to finish 7th at the end of the season. People saying it was laughable only yesterday.

As I and johny1989 said last week its is very achievable for us. If the team is cheered on it makes it better and easier for everyone.

Whatever anyone thinks of Sam he is not a fool. A little encouragement would go a long way for both him and the players.

10 Feb 2018 22:26:28
Only 2 people voted for us to finish 7th at the end of the season. People saying it was laughable only yesterday.

As I and johny1989 said last week its is very achievable for us. If the team is cheered on it makes it better and easier for everyone.

Whatever anyone thinks of Sam he is not a fool. A little encouragement would go a long way for both him and the players.

{Ed025's Note - lets not jump the gun NBTB, we had a good win yes and im more confident about safety mate but its been a hell of a slog, enjoy it but lest we forget how traumatic its been and not just throw glitter on the season to make things look better than what they are ..

10 Feb 2018 22:49:26
NBTB I do not think anyone thinks he is a fool, but like the players he needs to learn not only from his mistakes but from his successes!
But I believe the jury is still out for most Evertonians, SA needs to wind back the arrogance and show more humility to both fans and opponents!

11 Feb 2018 09:37:19
Totally Ed025 I agree we shouldn't get carried away because we beat CP yesterday.

My main point really is to support the team rather than moan and give out all the time. Everyone is defiantly entitled to their opinion and to voice their concerns but at times it get ridiculous for me.

I'm very proud of BlueJohnUns, GuernseyBlue and Johny1989 for their above comments. There are many more like them. Positivity breads positivity. That's what I associate with Everton F. C.

Not get rid of manager after a handful of games. As I said in previous post microwave supporters demanding it all instantly gets on my wick.

{Ed025's Note - positivity is always determined by results and performance NBTB, im sure nobody wants to moan mate..

10 Feb 2018 18:51:40
Early days yet, but the walcott deal lools like we've robbed him from arsenal. I think he needed to move on from arsenal. Him and coleman seem so good together. Looked quality today.

10 Feb 2018 18:57:49
You are right there mate and I thought also young Tom did well, and so did the rest of team may I say.

10 Feb 2018 20:42:38
The answer is that it is Coleman that forces the partnership. On the left we are lacking, we need the equivalent Coleman. Real time observation, Mangela is weak but his left leaning is sufficient to allow the other weak link Martina some lee way, the guy used his left peg for Gods sake, nearly dropped my coffee. Sam has now achieved his bonus barring a miracle from those below us, so it remains to be seen if he now accepts that, this team today plus tactics plus Tosun (a not insubstantial option) is the way forward. That selection at the Emirates should be put far behind us.

10 Feb 2018 21:10:19
Not a steal at all. Arsenal are a very talented Squad, we are not. Walcott at Arsenal let it be known he saw himself as more central, Wenger thought differently. Allardyce to achieve Walcotts signature alllowed him roaming facility across the front line.

10 Feb 2018 21:18:51
Got to give Martina credit today. He had a great game. Walcott is class and a snip for 20 mill. Sam got team selection right today. As said by others Davies is needed for his non stop running and enthusiasm. We don't need the boo boys, it won't do the rest of the team any good. Onwards and upwards now. Special mention also for Niasse. He might not be the best centre forward but defences don't know what to expect from him. He gives you his all in a blue shirt.

10 Feb 2018 17:57:27
Good win that.
Didn't like the booing of Schneiderlin, as much as I don't want to see him in a blue shirt again, in 30+ years of going the match I can't remember a player getting booed coming on.
Martina gets a hard time from a lot of fans so it's only right to give him praise when it's due. He had a great game, kept Townsend under control and bagged an assist.
Walcott just oozes class, great signing.
Niasse put in a great shift again, dragging defenders out of place and not letting them settle. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.
Gueye, Rooney, Sig and Davies played like a proper midfield. Davies gave it away a lot but I feel with his energy we play a lot better with him in the side.
Nice change to be happy on a Saturday, let's play the same team against Watford, exceptr any changes due to injury.

10 Feb 2018 18:06:40
Oll, if a player comes to the club, gets paid a handsome wage and cannot perform to anywhere near the level, we know he can then I have no issue with booing him.
We know how he can perform, we saw it last season but, he hasn't come close to that this season. If he is unfit, nursing an injury then I will apologise for anything I have said about him but, if not then he is taking our money and taking the p***.

10 Feb 2018 18:13:20
I agree to an extent, I really don't like the fella one bit, but I don't think it benefits anyone booing a player as he comes onto the pitch.

10 Feb 2018 18:15:47
Hi Smit mate, i agree they are well paid and should put in a good shift, but Booing to me just does not help it effects the whole team and can unsettle them which can't be right mate, we are better than that.

10 Feb 2018 18:20:07
If we were Leicester and we had mahrez come on who has been on strike for 2 weeks, would we boo? Yes.
Schneiderlin has ambled about that pitch all season and got away with it.
At least Williams and martina run about, yes they are rubbish and yes they make mistakes but, they have an interest in the game.

10 Feb 2018 18:38:09
will agree to disagree mate, game of opinions.

10 Feb 2018 18:56:16
Certainly is GB.

10 Feb 2018 19:22:53
I don't think the booing was aimed at morgan personally but at the defensive sub everyone around me wanted to see tosun have a run out while we 3 nil up.

10 Feb 2018 19:03:49
Allardyce said he was surprised that Schneiderlin was booed. He must be the only one who thinks he is putting in a shift. I am not happy with the booing but I understand it. It's not that Schnerderlin is bad this year it's just that he does not seem to care and strolls around the pitch. Maybe the boos will get the message through to him since Allardyce obviously does not get it across.

10 Feb 2018 20:26:35
The booing was more the fact it was a defensive sub, and the 3rd defensive sub of the game!
Then what happens, Morgan stands watching as Palace attack, they get a corner which results in their goal.
Credit to Palace they started with 2 up top, something we will never see whilst we have Bisto on the touchline.
Guarantee that come next week, he will revert back to type and bring Morgan back in for Davies as well as maybe 4 other changes.
We won 3-1 so its 3 points closer to safety and that's the only positive I can take, other than Theo causing them major headaches with his directness with pace, now if only we had a winger to do that on the left, oh wait there we have, he's on loan at Leipzig!

10 Feb 2018 22:55:25
At 3-0 up why wasn’t Tosun given valuable game time or even Klassen just get a real feeling that they are just going to sit rot through non involvement?
If football is now the business we are told it is why are people not being bought to task for poor investmentments?

{Ed025's Note - nail on the head there wakka mate..

10 Feb 2018 17:47:08
Vital win today really impressed with Theo and Gueye especially both trying to create everything and be direct. Keane grew with confidence as the game went on. However, there's a 27 million pound striker still sitting on the bench what better time to bring him on when the games in control. Players like him and Tosun have ability but the only way to be ready is to give them a chance. I don't condone the booing for Schneiderlin what so ever as I don't want to see him in an Everton shirt again. From where I was sitting the boos were massive. You've got Beni and Klaassen both out of the 18 who would give their all for the shirt. But it's a win and I hope we can build on it.

10 Feb 2018 17:50:37
My bad, I do condone the booing as we've watched his garbage for too long.

10 Feb 2018 18:08:40
Where the crowd booing Schneiderlin or Fat Sam? .

10 Feb 2018 18:08:49
I don't condone booing of our own players, in public (at the match) you give your full support for the Team. The place to register your dissatisfaction is on boards such as this. Sam says he was surprised at the booing and well he should be. That does not mean however that he (or staff whose job it is) to surf these HYS) does not know the feeling toward Scheiderlin (the player not person) .

10 Feb 2018 14:41:09
Firstly, just watched the Spurs v Arsenal game and have to say what a difference to last weeks debacle. Spurs got their tactics spot on and dominated Arsenal from the off and made them look second rate. Just goes to show what can be done when you have someone in charge who knows what they're doing. Secondly, does anyone know if Lee Dixon has his coaching badges? He talks a great deal of sense re tactics etc and would imo make a decent manager/ assistant. As for our game v CP I am looking forward to it with a slight mixture of excitement and trepidation. Fingers crossed we don't have a repeat of last week COYB!

{Ed025's Note - them losing zaha is a massive plus for us BigH..

10 Feb 2018 16:26:06
Big result if it stays like that.

10 Feb 2018 16:54:53
BigH78 . 1 they were at home. 2. Spurs are much better than us whichever team we put out.

10 Feb 2018 16:59:02
Great win but Williams at fault for penalty, why does he play. Davies much better than Schneiderlin.

{Ed025's Note - we need to get shut of both williams and schneiderlin mike, the latter asap because when your own fans boo you then thats it mate..

10 Feb 2018 17:29:39
ditto Ed.

10 Feb 2018 17:34:16
Agree Ed. bit embarrassing but he deserved it. Williams is just a liability and gives away too many penalties. Jags and Holgate are much better options.

10 Feb 2018 17:50:53
BlueMike plus Jags can play as a DM, he has done in the past and a good one at that. Son went to Sheffield Uni, so often watched them when I was in the area and Jags was a cracker in that position. On the plus side today, I am free (with said son) to continue my libation safe in the knowledge that when Son pours me out of the car, I shall sleep in the marital bed LOL.

10 Feb 2018 14:11:22
Still think we play 2 up top against CP today. I’m guessing SA will assume Walcott as a second strike partner.

10 Feb 2018 13:55:47
{Ed's Note - MancMan has posted a new article entitled, Revamping the Manchester United midfield

10 Feb 2018 09:33:39
Be interesting to see what team Allardyce picks today and what system he plays to get the best out of that team. He cannot surely continue picking the three that for me anyway are the weaklinks in our setup. Schneiderlin, Martina and Williams, all 3 are out of form and have been all season, yet they are consistently picked. I do wonder if any Journo's at the press conferences have ever asked Sam and his predecessors the reason why.

10 Feb 2018 10:45:25
I can stand Martina, as it's not his fault he's crap, and at least he tries. Although I genuinely think that Garbutt, Holgate, Kenny, Mangala and Doris the tea lady would do a better job there than him. As for the other two, Williams needs to retire and Schneiderlin doesn't even deserve to hand out the oranges to the under 11s at half time.

10 Feb 2018 10:53:36
Sadly I think Martina is playing as well as he can. He’s just not very good. Williams past it, looks like he has found Greggs pie shop. Morgan? Who knows what’s going on there, maybe his missus likes Friday night specials.

10 Feb 2018 13:17:41
I think we all know some players aren't up to it, problem we have is we couldn't buy a new team, as for the new players aparts from 2 have been very disappointing, cenk I won't comment on as he's only just got here, but what is the most disappointing is the fact we have bought so many players that haven't fitted in, now that has to be down to the manager or Walsh, now all we can do is get on with it and hope we can survive relegation, a lot of people saying one more win and we are safe, but after losing 5_1 this isn't going to be easy, with the way we keep changing the team every week, holgate has been one of our better defenders, but has an off day and out if the team for players who are having off days every week, I just don't understand the managers thinking, we have exciting players so play to there strengths and we will be fine, stop trying to play a defensive style with players who haven't got a clue on how to play it.

10 Feb 2018 08:28:24
I no i split fans with my support of sam yesterday but i stand by the facts wer clpser to 7th than relegatation we habe shipped out a few of koemans signings who needed to go, we replaced them. with 3 good players this window and yea the games are boring at the minute but if we win ugly rest of the season am. not bothered ad rather draw nil nil than go out all guns blazing play great footbal and lose 1 nil just my opinion like but i think win today and 7th is ours for the taking.

{Ed025's Note - dream on johny..

10 Feb 2018 09:06:37
I am with you too johny1989. Football is about opinions and even the top managers don't always agree. Look at Peps total football philosophy. Compare that with traditional British football. Back to Sam. I think he inherited a quite dreadful squad filled with age, youth, poor ability, injuries, no left footers, too many number 10's no center forwards, not many players in their prime and so low in confidence that the younger players mainly look like they are fozen to death. A crowd that away gives great support but at home is on top of the players. What miracle is he expected to do in 8 or 9 games. It is no co-incidence that we have won one away in 12 months. before his 8/ 9 games. We have to face reality and say the squad is crap. The manager will try and improve it. He is not going to turn it round in 2 months that's for sure.

10 Feb 2018 09:09:53
I'm thinking a little less optimistically. Win today would put us 7 ahead of palace and almost certainly safe from relegation. I see 37 points being good enough to stay up, but, if we can't muster 7 points from our remaining games then we probably should be relegated anyway.

Let's get behind Sam and the team, or just the team, or just Sam, depending on how you feel and let's hope at the very least, we give this game a really good go.

10 Feb 2018 09:14:08
Hi Johnny mate, I was probably one of Big Sams biggest fans to start with when he took over the reins at Everton, but you have to agree the tripe that is being played is truly awful, against the Gooners was enough for me and I know I speak for the majority of fans who want him out, I see no reason why the board would want to keep this guy in charge after the end of the season, Mr Moshiri has invested heavily in our club and with the New Stadium around the corner he will be after a better manager for sure, I finish by asking you mate to log on to the Live feed on here and read and join in with the banter cheers mate.

10 Feb 2018 09:36:02
I'd take winning ugly that's fine. However, losing ugly and the manager not bothering in some games because he thinks we'll get beat anyway, I won't.

However, vent it here people but give every last breath at the game in support of those players on the pitch. Otherwise we are relegated.

Let's get safe first Johny daydream before having illusions of grandeur.

10 Feb 2018 09:59:19
It's 14 games degsy just 3 less than Koeman had and with the same record.

K 6w5d6l s 5w4d5l one of Sam's wins was really Shakespeare. This is based on all competitive games they had each this season.

However, I'd give my left testicle for a win today. I don't care about the manager and whoever is in charge I want them to win every single game. So as usual I'll clap, sing and shout for 90mins. Hopefully though with the need to donate anything!

10 Feb 2018 10:57:08
I appreciate that he hasn't had a lot of time, nor did I expect instant success but he's already made several poor decisions. Team selections have been poor, rotation of players has been there but he's got it all wrong. Tactics have been questionable, performances almost unwatchable at times and his man management skills have been as poor as Koeman's at some points. I don't think he should shoulder all of the blame but alarm bells are certainly ringing for me. For example, practically everyone I know knew we would get beat by 3 or 4 goals last week when we saw the tactics and team selection. How did Sam not see?

That being said, I think we will win today, and as usual I will be at my seat in the Lower Gwladys cheering the team on. Fingers crossed they give me something to cheer about.

10 Feb 2018 08:58:20
Whats the dream ed? Burnley have a had game against a resurgent swansea team Leicester play man city, is it completely out of the question really that they both drop points today and i no we have to do our part and win but if we do we could finish the day 2 points off 7th? Not dreaming ed just realistic mate yea we aren't playing gorgeous football but we aren't in to bad a position when u think after the Southampton defeat i honestly feared relegation.

{Ed025's Note - i still do to be honest johny, the problem is we are shipping goals and hardly scoring mate...and thats a recipe for disaster..

10 Feb 2018 11:01:11
Guys it’s the style (if you can call it that) of football the team is playing that is depressing the fans. We just want a manager who wants to win and wants to attack. Not one who thinks getting a point at home is a good result. We are not Bolton, yet. But carry on like this and we could be.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree woburn mate..

10 Feb 2018 12:10:27
That's a bit harsh Woburn. On Bolton I mean.

10 Feb 2018 12:32:05
Let's be honest morish only wanted him to get us clear of relegation but Sam would take the bait of a year contract and wanted 18months, we all no in the summer Sam will be moved on, yes he will get his bonus and a pay off, this was Sam's plan, let's hope managers are available for next season, if I was the everton board I would get Silva signed ready to step in, what I've read about the bloke he's very very highly thought of, he was going places with Watford and we ruined it, he wanted to come to us Watford wouldn't let him, I think he can deliver everything we need over the next few years.

10 Feb 2018 12:42:21
Well I guess the reason I am saying give the bloke a chance is because when Martinez started his tinkering with the squad, I was one of the few who was saying we are relying on one player for our goals. (Maybe 2 if you add in Barkley) . As many know I went on and on about not replacing Osman and Pienaar. but then it got worse because we never replaced Baines and Jags. Koeman came in and I honestly thought he was signing quality players who I knew little about. in Klaasen and Schneiderlin. But what I have seen of these 2 has just made me think we are getting worse and worse. whoever is in charge. I think Sir Alex Ferguson would struggle with the squad we have. I really think it is nothing or very little to do with the manager whoever it is. I think our squad is as poor as the days of Mike Walker and our recent run of 5 games without a shot on target isnothing to do with tactics. it is to do with poor players and lack of ability in many key positions. let's face it, can anyone tell me another Premier club or indeed first division club that started the season with one ageing left back, one left footed player, no center forward other than an untried and untested kid after spending near on £120,000,000? That is not the fault of the current manager. He has shown that £20,000,000 buys a decent player in Walcott. Southampton outbid us for the Italian bloke Gabbiadini and already had Shane Long and Charlie Austin. We have been p*ss poor in transfer dealings and although I thought Steve Walsh would be our answer, I admit we have been quite terrible. At least I am sure that with the comments of getting behind the team for our remaining game, I am sure the Goodison atmosphere will be the same as when Moyes first took over and saved us from relegation. that's one thing about us Evertonians. We bicker and argue all the time, but when the chips are down, we all know how important it is to get behind the team. My 8 year lod Grandson went to his first game this season. Arsenal at home. He was genuinely scared when Rooney scored. He had never experienced that moment. I remember it myself when I was a kid. The passion, the noise the joy, the volume the feeling. no words can describe it. All I would say is I am moving house in Cornwall so cannot lend my voice to it today. but those going. do it for the club. Forget your Allergy arguments. get behind every one of those players no matter how bad they are playing. Show them we need to win. Show them our passion. We bleed Blue blood and we want to stay up to rebuild. Whether that is with Allergy or not. Everton must stay up!

10 Feb 2018 12:57:15
Good post Degsy.

10 Feb 2018 13:29:14
Degsyb hight from a fellow blue Cornish pasty good luck with your move.
But I don't see it all being the players even thou some of them have been very poor along with players not adapting, but the likes of Rooney, sigy, snids gueue all good players in there own right, but there not in any case playing to there potential, is this the players or the way we are playing, I think it's a mix of both, plus not one player can say if there going to be in the team because it's changed so often, no team can Settle and get an understanding playing one week then on the bench for 2 games.

10 Feb 2018 14:51:55
Blue-heart, just a very quick reply. Rooney. has lost pace. would not be in this Utd team now. Sigy. never had pace. great at set pieces and good shot. yes he has been ok but we are not making use of his set pieces mainly because we never had a center forward until now. Snids. not seen him have a decent game yet. my honest opinion. not 1 game! Gueye. great defensively. offers nothing going forwards.5 games without a shot on target? Mainly because Schnids/ Gueye offer nothing going forwards and have no center forward even if they did.

10 Feb 2018 04:55:32
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Saturday 10th February 2018