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22 Jul 2024 08:19:24
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21 Jul 2024 19:49:25
Reports saying the Freidkin group pulled out of the chance to purchase Everton because of unresolvable issues, that does not sound good at all.

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21 Jul 2024 22:20:53
GB, I think it means Moshiri wanted more money that Freidkin was willing to pay.

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21 Jul 2024 23:47:24
The issue is with the 200m loan from 777 who appear to have got it from a-cap. Both are accused of fraud and have law suits against them, so nobody really knows what is going to happen with this in the future. So it will take someone with big balls to take this sh*t show on.

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22 Jul 2024 06:39:36
Reading that moshiri wants £50 million and annual payments for the next 10 years to walk away.

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20 Jul 2024 16:19:29
Three bidders already for Everton after Freidkin pulled out, here we go again.

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20 Jul 2024 17:07:38
Who has bid GB?

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20 Jul 2024 17:35:51
That’s just one journalists opinion GB. Doesn’t back it up with any names mate. We shall see.

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20 Jul 2024 18:08:08
Vatche Manoukian consortium, Vici private finance and an unnamed one, report also saying Freidkin will come back.

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20 Jul 2024 19:21:02
It seemed that TFG were perfect for us
I think it's all brinkmanship now
Moshiri should take a hit and just go.

{Ed025's Note - he wants his pound of flesh dixie..

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20 Jul 2024 20:39:22
He wants £50 million for his worthless shares Ed no chance Freidkin would give him that.

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20 Jul 2024 22:33:12
No he wants his £450m back, and not a penny less.

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20 Jul 2024 23:23:25
Don’t think any of us know the details. We all just hope it can be figured out quickly and definitively so we can move on as a club.

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20 Jul 2024 23:49:29
I'd like to give him a couple of pounds of my flesh with what he's done to us ed.

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21 Jul 2024 12:40:39
Moshiri is a businessman and couldn’t care less about Everton or the fans. As Ed has alluded, my guess is he sells the stadium to get a chunk of his money back. It will be Everton that pays as without owning that stadium, we don’t stand to benefit at all and might as well have stayed at goodison!

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21 Jul 2024 20:26:09
I think 50 million is a realistic figure, he previously wanted 500 million.

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22 Jul 2024 02:16:45
Uran, not sure if the figures are correct but I imagine it’s £50m on top of the £400m of loans to the club Moshiri wants back not just £50m.

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20 Jul 2024 10:32:26
Hello all, I couldn't bring myself to write anything yesterday as I was to distraught. It is like having a jail sentence and everytime we are set for release they increase the sentence.

Ed, can I ask, how do you see this playing out? I understand that TFG pulled out of talks to buy Roma and then came back in months later to buy the club.
There has to be an end to this crap, why does it have to be so dificult to get a competent owner.

{Ed002's Note - The problem Friedkin has with the Everton debt is that it inludes monies owed to 777 Partners (circa £220M) via loans and a very significant debt to Moshiri (circa £450M) via shareholder loans. This is in addition to the monies owed to Metro Band and Rights & Media Publishing. There is limited money coming in and Friedkin has already loaned the club £200M to pay off the critical MSP Sports Capital debt and to allow work to continue on the stadium. Friedkin could come back in to the picture if there were additional investors willing to share the risk. One solution would be to sell the Bramley Moore Dock development to investors who could complete the work and then lease it back to the club.}

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20 Jul 2024 13:18:55
Ed, surely that would then make the benefits of having built a brand new stadium redundant.

We are a joke of a club.

I am not even upset by it anymore.

When I read the news, I sat back in my seat and laughed whilst shaking my head. It’s like an abusive relationship, in the end, it is just business as usual.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is a means to keep the club afloat and an attempt to avoid Administration.}

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20 Jul 2024 19:16:51
Surely they knew all the problems when they first bid.

{Ed025's Note - things change as people start to get greedy Chris..

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20 Jul 2024 15:55:08
Thanks for the reply Ed. I would imagine some due diligence was done previous to entering into negotiations.
Naively I struggle to see how they wouldn't have anticipated this before entering into talks.

Well one saving grace is on the pitch we are the most sable we have been for ages and hopefully with a few more in the door we can keep away from relegation and at least enjoy some moments in our last season at Goodison.

{Ed002's Note - Due diligence starts with full access to the accounts.}

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20 Jul 2024 21:36:00
Sorry state of affairs, ed002 can you have a root down back of sofa and save us haha.

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19 Jul 2024 11:17:37
Alan Myers claims Friedkin has pulled out of buying us? Any ed's got news of this?

{Ed002's Note - From a takeover standpoint another option will need to be considered as Friedkin has finally stepped back. The issue surrounds two lots of debt - the debt to 777 partners which is being chased down by A Cap who leant them the money, and the debt owed to the Moshiri for loans.}

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19 Jul 2024 12:36:10
I’m assuming the money owed to 777 will be the biggest problem as it can’t just be paid back to them with all the legal issues currently around them.

Would imagine we need the legal issues with 777 sorted prior to any prospective owner coming on board - however from the little I’ve seen of the 777 issue don’t think this will be resolved any time soon.

There has been mention there is enough money for the club to operate in the short term, however not sure how long a period that will be?

Ed with your knowledge what do you think will happen now? Is a fire sale on the cards to generate revenue to keep club afloat? Is administration on the cards? Or is the club stable enough to ride this mess out? Sorry for the numerous questions.

{Ed002's Note - There are legal issues, but not just related to the 777 Partners financing which is now being chased down by A Cap. The total size of the debt is huge and it somehow needs to be restructured - it is certainly larger than the value of the club.

I think the option involving MSP, Andy Bell and George Downing was the best as I said before. Friedkin cleared the MSP debt and they are now looking at investment in another club. At this point in time Rights and Media Funding need to be spoken to as their debt is secured against assets including Goodison. One option could be to look for a buyer for the new stadium who have the funding to complete it and allowing Everton to lease it back. Administration remains a huge risk still.}

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19 Jul 2024 12:50:09
Thanks for the reply Ed.

Bill Kenwright and Moshiri have a lot to answer for with this complete mess that’s been created under their stewardship.

Oh for just one normal month as an Everton fan.

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19 Jul 2024 13:35:48
So where do we go from here?

Can anyone save us from administration?

{Ed002's Note - It is rather back to square one again.}

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19 Jul 2024 14:23:08
It's like Groundhog day being a blue. no chance they will comeback in I gather then?

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it. The problem will be finding someone willing to take on the huge debt.}

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19 Jul 2024 14:35:07
Is the going-concern value of Everton as a company higher than the liquidation value? If so surely we won’t go into administration? Surely the intangible assets and customer loyalty as well as any potential for future returns (stadium) must ensure this? Or am I well wide of the mark? Sorry Eds, I’m just very worried and very frustrated and a primary school teacher so I don’t know how the real world actually works!

{Ed002's Note - Entering Administration would give the owners time to restructure the debts whilst the club continues to operate. Everton will want to avoid it as it comes with a nine point deduction.}

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19 Jul 2024 14:47:21
Apparently according to the echo two English billionaires from the are now in the frame 🤷‍♂️.

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19 Jul 2024 15:01:48
Mosh really knows how to pick em ay?
What an absolute shower they all are.

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19 Jul 2024 18:37:35
Complete shambles.

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19 Jul 2024 19:31:20
Shame the MSP group have moved on. I’d take anyone who can sort us out at the moment. Would even contemplate Saudi Owners though I feel awful saying it. After everything we have endured under Moshiri, I just want him gone and the club back to competing in the Prem, not holding on each season.

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20 Jul 2024 09:31:16
I doubt administration will happen as there are too many people with money involved in the club. A cap, r&m, Moshiri and now Friedkin, none of these are going to want to lose their money.

Moshiri will no doubt get a buyer just not the deal at what he wants.

On Friedkin, I've heard he done the same thing at Roma, brought in other investors and then bought the club. This could happen with us and reduce his risk as well.

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20 Jul 2024 12:47:05
Let's hope Bell and Downing can swoop in and save the day.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so Charlie, but im not ruling out Friedkin yet because its all a game when it comes to this sort of business mate..

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20 Jul 2024 13:56:01
Yeah, I heard he dud the same at Roma Ed. Either way wish they'd bloody hurry up 😅.

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20 Jul 2024 22:00:44
Ed02, you may know this. If we have a preferred bidder but he wants to allow someone else to join the bid would the exclusivity agreement have end to allow the new party to join the bid and look over the goods?

{Ed002's Note - No. That would be welcome to the seller.}

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21 Jul 2024 11:54:07
Thanks Ed.

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19 Jul 2024 11:20:01
Friedkin group not completing takeover!

That’s quite worrying as probably something significant come up in due diligence.

What’s the future of the club now?

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19 Jul 2024 11:27:18
It’s incredibly worrying. What have they found?

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19 Jul 2024 11:31:02
Gutted. Thought this would sort out the club.

What skeleton have they found? Or is this Moshiri messing about?

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19 Jul 2024 11:34:38
Something seriously wrong with this club.
Yet another kick in the guts for supporters. Just waiting for the ground to start subsiding now and finish us off.

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19 Jul 2024 11:43:10
Unbelievable.

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19 Jul 2024 11:44:19
Something to do with the loan from 777/ A Cap and its legality. It’s quite unbelievable. Is Usmanov lurking in the background….

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18 Jul 2024 18:59:42
Richard Rios Colombian midfielder being linked as well any strength or knowledge on this one Ed’s please . Watching his videos he does seem to put himself about in the midfield and did score a Baines esq free kick and absolutely kunderthunts it in from miles out .

{Ed002's Note - Richard Rios (DM) Wolves and Arsenal have sent scouts. Leicester have spoken with Palmeiras but know a Work Permit may be a struggle to get for England, but are looking for potential Ndidi replacements. Real Sociedad considered him a Zumbimendi replacement but stepped away. A wildcard woud be Getafe.}

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19 Jul 2024 14:48:43
Thanks Ed, top knowledge as always.

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18 Jul 2024 16:47:27
Apparently this Lindstrom deal is gathering pace, only watched the videos but seems ok any knowledge on this one Ed’s . Thanks in advance as always.

{Ed002's Note - Jesper Lindstrom (AM/LW/RW) Joined Napoli from Eintracht Frankfurt at the end of the 2023 transfer window after others interested sides stepped back. Largely a terrible season in Italy with the goals drying up completely - and Napoli want him moved on this summer but know they are unlikely to recover what they paid. Offered to several sides including RBL who know they will likely need a Dani Olmo replacement, to Everton on an expensive loan with an obligation to buy deal which will get them most of their money back and to Brentford.}

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19 Jul 2024 14:49:52
Yet again thank you Ed.

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18 Jul 2024 21:11:22
Looks like beto could be off to bologna.

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19 Jul 2024 08:39:02
Possible to replace that Dutch sub Utd signed. Is it true we have asked about kieron Tierney from arsenal 🤔 I hope not only because he always seemed to be injured but is a cracking player if fit.

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19 Jul 2024 09:06:59
He is a cracking player Rob, but as you say he’s always injured; however, SD does seem to be very good at looking after players and getting them fit. As ever it would depend on the price and salary, we need to be very careful. As for Beto, I can’t see us selling both DCL and him, but let’s see.

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19 Jul 2024 10:11:58
Tierney will be on a decent wak at arsenal no doubt but arteta doesn't fancy him does he. might be a surprise bargain 😉 only 27 so get a decent 4 years out of him if fit. hope it's DCL that goes so we don't lose him on a free 👍.

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17 Jul 2024 17:51:49
I see Alan Myers on Sky is saying Myko is wanted by Conte from Napoli,

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17 Jul 2024 19:42:53
He’s our only left back. Surely it would be madness to sell him.

{Ed025's Note - certainly without a replacement Swinners..

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17 Jul 2024 20:58:32
We've got Ashley Young, swinners. That should do us 🙄😒😂.

{Ed025's Note - he could rotate with Holgate..

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18 Jul 2024 00:05:32
It’s too frightening to comprehend.

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18 Jul 2024 14:45:47
Would have thought replacements are in the pipeline if Myko goes, hope he doesn’t personally I think he is a much improved player these days.

{Ed025's Note - yeah he has certainly improved GB..

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18 Jul 2024 16:29:15
Looks like Myko is going the other way as part of the deal.

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18 Jul 2024 20:42:57
Sorry GB but that’s for to be the most ridiculous thing for us to do - loan Lindstrom from Napoli who is an attacking player (but didn’t score or assist last season) and send them mykolenko a defensive player and currently the only decent left back we have!

Now if moshiri and bill were still involved in transfers I could possibly see it happening as they were crazy, however now Thelwell appears to be actually doing his job and calling the shots then surely it’s made up nonsense?

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18 Jul 2024 21:14:34
Hope so mate.

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17 Jul 2024 09:32:47
Morning Ed02. Hope you are safely back from your travels. Any chance you have your mammoth list of potential or likely ins and outs at Goodison this summer?

{Ed002's Note - I gave a whole load of potential DM replacements yesterday and have previously covered everything else. Is there something specific.}

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17 Jul 2024 13:44:25
Mainly outgoings Ed02.

I saw the DM replacements - cheers for that info. Hopefully we will get some more cover but I feel we may only make signings now if people go and we replace them.

{Ed002's Note - Andy Lonergan (G) Free Agent in the summer.
Nathan Patterson (RB) A third party is working on a return to Scotland with Rangers.
Jarrad Branthwaite (CB) Everton want a new contract but Spurs, Manchester United and Newcastle have an interest. Ancelotti has spoken to Solari about him and scouts were sent to watch him against Newcastle, but Solari is not convinced that English players settle well on the continent. Manchester United will likely need a complete rebuild at CB with departures in the summer and so he will be a leading option but after two offers the clubs are a long way apart in valuation. Spurs have a need for a CB but have preferred options. Newcastle has a compelling need to add one or two younger CBs but a move there is very unlikely, particularly after adding Lloyd Kelly. A wildcard would be Manchester City but they don't see value for money.
Ben Godfrey (CB/RB/DM) Gone to Atalanta.
Mason Holgate (CB) Available to be sold. No obvious interest. Wages are an issue.
Amadou Onana (DM/CB/CM) Only moved to Everton in 2022 but they are open to sell him buat the right price. With huge debts and the need to stay within PSR they need to be shreed in the transfer market.. West Ham interest has now gone again but Arsenal will look again after failing to agree alternatives. Newcastle spoke with Everton last summer and have failed to sign their primary DM/CM target but could return again this summer as they may need a replacement for Bruno Guimaraes. Manchester United had him a long way down their list of targets but failed to sign preferred options in the summer and he may still be of interest, but I rather doubt it. Chelsea interest has gone. Aston Villa are looking at options to replace Douglas Luiz and may well offer Leander Dendoncker and cash. That may suit Everton but they are already looking to a different option to replace Onana. Roma may offer an option but it would be subject to UEFA scrutiny. Barcelona may look to some horse trading but they have to deal with their own financial issues, but are keen. Real Madrid may look to a player plus cash deal, but he would largely be used as cover. Bayern Munich interest has gone after signing Palhinho. Everton will look to trying to raise £60M.
Abdoulaye Doucoure (DM/CM) Expect him to stay. Wildcard could be Middle East or Turkey.
James Garner (DM/CM) Will be easy to sell and Spurs need to replace Tanguy N'Ddombele and Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg. Wildcard may be Newcastle. I expect the player to stay and perhaps play more in the DM role.
Andre Gomes (CM) Out of contract in the summer. Wasserman will be looking for other options no doubt - perhaps the MLS. Everton would be happy to have him leave to get his wages off the books.
Idrissa Gueye (CM) New contract. Will stay to 2025.
Dele Alli (CM/AM) Gone but will continue to train whilst agreement is reached with Spurs.
Jack Harrison (RW) Will return to Leeds in the summer. Everton would like another loan but he would need to sign a contract extension.
Arnaut Danjuma (W) His agent and Villareal wanted him out of his loan at Everton early with Lyon talking to his club. Player is very unhappy being a bit part player only but Everton were asking too much to terminate his loan so he stayed. That backfired rather. Will be gone in the summer.
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (S) The second player tapped up by Steven Gerrard. The summer will be a decision point for the player who will be another the club are willing to sell in order to raise funds. Newcastle, Brentford and West Ham offer options with Newcastle pressing to sign him to replace Callum Wilson but Everton's asking price is seen as excessive. They could return later in the window. Manchester United offer a wildcard option but have much preferred targets.
Neal Maupay (S) Everton wanted to upgrade with Gyokeres last year but missed that boat. For now unless perhaps a move home to France is possible. A tough one to sell and get a decent return on.
Beto (S) Agent has had no luck finding a buer Goals have dried up completely and Everton will look to a sale to recover at least some funds from the journeyman striker. Fenerbahce are open to a discussion.}

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17 Jul 2024 16:00:30
is this a copy and paste from old Ed?

Onana off to Villa £50mm + add ons and sell on clause once he's back from holiday
Harrison didn't need to sign fresh terms for a loan and is already back

James Garner will play more in a cm role, as he has been doing anyway for Everton? we don't essentially have a 'DM' role, it's 2 cm's behind a AM?

Patterson agreed him and agent want out, player and manager don't like eachother, most likely a loan so EFC can try reclaim some sort of fee back next summer if he get's his act together on a loan deal, otherwise EFC face significant loss.

{Ed002's Note - It is all correct. Harrison has not yet been registered. Onana has not yet been registered.}

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17 Jul 2024 16:03:36
Thanks Ed - superb info as always.

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17 Jul 2024 19:21:51
That was hilarious 😂.

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17 Jul 2024 00:58:00
Unrelated to everton but just wondering if any eds would know if klopp or pep would ever consider the England job me personally i would love it if one them ever got appointed think them 2 would win us a world cup or the euros.

{Ed002's Note - I don't think either is realistic Andy. Klopp wants time off and then he pretty much knows what options he will have. Guardiola has one more year on contract at Manchester City. They want an extension and he may accept one year or take a year off and take a job which is already on the table. He will have options.}

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