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29 Nov 2021 15:12:44
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23 Nov 2021 20:42:22
£35 million being banded about as our transfer budget this January, where do they get this from.

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23 Nov 2021 22:21:58
Probably on the assumption that we will be selling players worth 35 million pounds which is highly unlikely.

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23 Nov 2021 22:32:12
From numpties willing to progress the rumour, best guess.

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24 Nov 2021 07:10:56
I thought it was -£35m. in that we need to make 35m to stay within ffp. Anyone else starting to wonder about DCL? An injury that initially seemed minor is going on and on and the return date is vague at best - is he coming back from injury plus they don't want to risk him ahead of a big sale in January?

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24 Nov 2021 16:41:25
None of you lot have a clue how ffp works do you 😂.

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24 Nov 2021 19:26:05
Ooh if only we were as wise as you mate😩.

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25 Nov 2021 09:46:52
Exactly how deep in the doodoo are Everton?
Ed002 please jump in if anything I say is inaccurate as I don’t profess to be an expert in this
In the year ending 30th June 2018 they reported a profit of 13m
For 2019 they reported losses of £112 m
For 2020 they reported losses of £140 m but they attributed £67m of this to C.V.
As well as possibly excluding the C.V. losses they are also allowed to reduce the figures by the costs of the academy, ladies football and any new ground costs. They do not show these separately in the accounts so I do not know what the figures are or how the EPL validates them
For the rolling 3 years the loss was £184 if they can exclude C.V. – well over the limit set by the Premier League but again, I re-iterate I don’t know the costs of the academy, ladies football and the new stadium. Maybe all of these bring us in line with the limits but why we are not already having penalties set against us I don’t know – perhaps ED002 can enlighten us on this
The accounts for year ending 30th June 2021 will come out around December this year. If 2020 is anything to go by the 3 year losses could be 112 + 73 + maybe another 73 which gives us £258m as we lose the small profit made in 2017/ 18 and replace it with a loss similar to 2019/ 20 – an increase of 74 over the previous 3 year period (not including adjustments)
Is the 73m for 2021 a reasonable guess?
It might be more as we will have a full year of James salary (he wasn’t with us in the year ending 30/ 06/ 19
Same with Allan, Doucoure, Godfrey, together with the amortisation of their transfer fees over their contract period
We have the additional wages for the new contracts that we have given Richarlison, DCL, Digne, Keane and anybody else
Partially (in my opinion) offsetting this would be the wages saved by the likes Scheiderlin, Niasse, Ramirez and Walcott leaving the club although I guess we made losses on the actual transfer fee.
There are certainly a whole heap of other pluses and minuses that I don’t have knowledge of but a rolling loss over 3 year of something of the order of £258 m is certainly feasible in my opinion
What the Premier League does faced with these figures is anybody’s guess
Selling James when we did will not, in my opinion affect the 2021 number as it was done after the 30th June 2021. It will help 2022 but it might be too little too late
IT IS TOO LATE TO ALTER THE 2020/ 21 FIGURES. The books are closed and with the auditors for verification
Selling players now won’t show up until the accounts are published for the year the sale took place
The wages of players who’s contracts end next June = THE REDUCTION IN WAGES WON’T SHOW IN THE ACCOUNTS until 2022/ 23.

{Ed002's Note - As of the end of 19/20 Everton are £409m in debt, mainly to the owner. Mosiri continues to supplement the club up to the FFP limit but they will be structured as loans and have been partially used to reduce debt - which is a good thing. Wages are a significant proble for the club. It will get worse before it improves.

The spending on infrastructure (e.g. the stadium) are excluded from the FFP accounts. The three years rolling FFP period has been reduced temporarily to two years to help clubs out because of the pandemic.}

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25 Nov 2021 10:02:54
GB just google it mate. Have a good read and then you will be a wiser man.

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25 Nov 2021 10:43:49
Thanks ED

What's the permitted losses over 2 years?

{Ed002's Note - The same as three years. But this is temporary.}

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25 Nov 2021 11:28:01
Sorry ED

Is that 65m, 105m or something else

I've seen mentions of the 65 and the 105 but not sure whic, if anything is right

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - They are the different Premier League and UEFA figures.}

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25 Nov 2021 12:41:50
{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the detail but in simple terms the Premier League allow for losses of £45M over a rolling three years (temporarily two years because of the pandemic) and for losses of £105M over the same period if the owners put in money to sustain the club.}

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26 Nov 2021 04:40:48
Thanks Ed. I really appreciate your input

Does the Newcastle buy out change the EPL's stance on enforcement. It looks like they declared an unofficial amnesty last year several clubs, of which we were one of the most vocal were against the Saudo buyout

Do you think the EPL are now more likely to now enforce FFP to send a signal to everyone

I know it will only be your opinion but I'd be interested to hear it.

{Ed002's Note - The English authorities have been enforcing FFP and have been punishing clubs who have breached the rules with points deductions, e.g. Sheffield Wednesday, Derby Count and probably soon Reading. Aston Villa remain on the naughty step over their sale of the stadium, and other clubs have significant issues (such as Everton).}

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26 Nov 2021 11:38:26
That's what I fear ED

Many thanks for your input.

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23 Nov 2021 10:07:13
This morning saying Deli Ali could be offered as part of a deal with Pickford going the other way to Spuds.

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23 Nov 2021 10:43:39
no thanks, money only for JP if he has to go so we can reinvest

don't need another waster like Dele has become.

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23 Nov 2021 11:39:32
Defo mate.

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23 Nov 2021 15:54:13
Ali would fit right in with some of the wasters we have already.
But why you would want to get rid of Pickford baffles me.

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23 Nov 2021 19:02:41
Keep Pickford and stuff Ali he carnt even get in the Spurs team.

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17 Nov 2021 15:28:01
Being reported Sivisspor are interested in signing Rondon in the January window, could be Christmas is coming early for us Blues.

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17 Nov 2021 16:23:07
Maybe we could include a few more surplus players. Buy one get one free comes to mind!

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17 Nov 2021 16:44:03
Tosun looks to be going on a free mate in January, at last am sure Rafa will have replacements in mind.

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17 Nov 2021 22:34:06
Stick with dobbin and simms. They're deemed good enough as they're training with 1st team. Bring emon as subs or occasional start. They are both natural finishers. Bout time to have belief in our youngsters that are deemed good enough to train with 1st team, epically with our financial problems.

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18 Nov 2021 14:59:08
Yeh I'd love to see the youngsters get a run out for 20 minutes or so, Rondon just doesn't do it for me!

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22 Nov 2021 16:36:58
More like buy 1 get 6 free, after the last few performances BlueMike1.

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15 Nov 2021 15:46:03
News coming out that we are looking at multiple loan to buy moves this coming window.

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15 Nov 2021 18:21:40
GB were are you getting the info from, I hope your right as we are in need of a few new faces to hopefully in prove our current squad.

{Ed002's Note - There is a maximum of two allowed.}

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15 Nov 2021 19:32:53
On footballer insider Dollo mate,

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15 Nov 2021 20:23:27
Do you think we may have some players lined up for January Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Everton are hovering around FFP issues and need to reduce the wage bill and utilise the cheaper or free options available to them (like Begovich, Townsend and Gray this past summer) and face work to extend contracts of some of the 8 who will out contract in the summer. They had a huge James Rodriguez issue that has now been resolved and 10 players aged 30 or more in the squad. Money will be very tight after a £140M loss last season. Mosiri continues to supplement the club up to the FFP limit but they will be structured as loans and have been partially used to reduce debt - which is a good thing. Clubs do not typically plan for January transfers and Everton would need to sell to do anyhing significant. There may be a glance in the direction of Ross Barkley who may well be available on loan.

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16 Nov 2021 07:39:21
Noooooo, not Barkley.

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16 Nov 2021 07:54:20
I’d personally take Barkley over Iwobi every day of the week!

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16 Nov 2021 10:29:30
With you there mate Iwobi is so poor.

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16 Nov 2021 12:07:19
what players out of the 8 will they be working on extensions for?

guessing Ellis simms is one whose just penned fresh terms

Begovic has a 1 year option

past that the only extensions club will be looking at you'd imagine will be from the u23's

first team players, Delph, Sigurdsson, Kenny, Tosun, Lonergan

none of the above you'd imagine will be getting extensions on current deals, only one with any chance slightly may be Delph.

Branthwaites deal runs until 2023, despite what transfermarkt say.

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16 Nov 2021 14:22:08
We have no loans in at the moment so I wouldn’t be surprised if we looked at the loan market or loan to buy given our financial situation. Only thing is how often have we had loan players that are great on loan, but then pretty lacklustre when they earn the move.

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16 Nov 2021 15:34:19
Well learn the lesson and don’t buy them this time gibbo 😂.

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16 Nov 2021 15:34:19
Could say how often £1.7 can buy two very good players but Rafa did, so there’s always a first time gibbo mate.

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17 Nov 2021 18:40:19
Cheers Ed.

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19 Nov 2021 09:30:49
According to a quick Google (by no means saying this is accruate) current contracts due to end this year:
-sigurdsson - guess no action on that one.
- tosun - he can go.
- delph - personally wouldn't mind resigning but on a lower salary if that were possible. He no way deserves the money he is on at the minute.
- Kenny- would imagine he will be gone
- Braithwaite- hopefully can sort this out
- lonergan - with begovic I guess we would let this go

These players alone add up to about 270k a week - again according to online reports. Are any of these really going to be a big miss? Obviously I understand we may need to bring people in to replace them in the squad. Hopefully we can upgrade a few of them at the same time.

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14 Nov 2021 14:22:40
Lingard allowed to leave for £10 million, sod FFP, pay it.

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14 Nov 2021 19:37:15
Agree good player mate.

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15 Nov 2021 08:10:59
Would love it if we sign him, can’t see it happening but he is a very good player.

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15 Nov 2021 09:35:03
Is he really that good? Or are we saying he’s a good player because of how well he did at West Ham?

If you look at his stats he scored 9 goals in 16 games when on loan at West Ham which is impressive.

However when you look at his Utd stats 35 goals in 218 games it’s not that impressive.

Personally would have him on loan with an option to buy as no guarantee he’d be as good for us as he was for West Ham.

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15 Nov 2021 11:22:47
I would say he is better than what we have on the pitch at the moment mate without doubt.

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15 Nov 2021 11:59:21
I'd definitely take him at that price.

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15 Nov 2021 16:05:16
If we did go for him then who would we drop to start him?

Think he’s an attacking mid and can play either wing.

So currently we have gray/ Gordon on left, Townsend on right and Richarlison on right or through middle behind DCL

Not sure he’d get in team in front of any of gray, Townsend, Richarlison or DCL.

We’re not going to drop doucore or Allan to accommodate as he’s not that type of player. Also can’t see us playing a back 3 to accommodate him.

So where does he fit?

For me if we’ve got £10m to spend when things have been so tight recently then Right Back has to be the priority.

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15 Nov 2021 22:14:31
We never have a fully fit team so it wouldn't be a problem getting him in the team. I'd say yes.

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16 Nov 2021 09:56:00
Defo no Brainer mate would be great addition.

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16 Nov 2021 11:39:48
Think he’s a better player than Grey and Townsend to be fair.

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18 Nov 2021 19:09:12
Knock the zero off the end and you've got a chance.

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19 Nov 2021 12:31:39
it's not the fee mate, it's the wages.

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11 Nov 2021 12:22:59
With Gerrard leaving Rangers to go to Villa is this the ideal time for Duncan to get some managerial experience and throw his name into the hat for the Rangers job?

{Ed002's Note - No, they are in talks with someone else.}

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11 Nov 2021 12:46:58
No worries Ed just thought as an ex Rangers man he may have seen it as a potential opportunity to get some managerial experience.

{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt they would look to him and will certainly have preferred choices.}

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11 Nov 2021 15:37:31
He didn't have the greatest of times up their to be fair.

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11 Nov 2021 15:37:31
He didn't have the greatest of times up their to be fair.

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12 Nov 2021 13:52:07
I do think if he’s ever going to be Everton manager (or top flight manager) . He’s going to have to leave and earn his stripes at a lower league club first, he’s been passed over a couple of times now.

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04 Nov 2021 17:13:46
Bild reporting we are looking at Roger Schmidt to potentially replace Rafa

Lazy reporting or is his position genuinely under threat?

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04 Nov 2021 18:31:55
Well we are ten games in 😂.

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04 Nov 2021 19:06:33
Unless there’s something going on behind the scenes with Newcastle.

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04 Nov 2021 20:25:00
i hope not.

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05 Nov 2021 19:31:20
If rafa goes i will never watch the team again the problem is not rafa it is the useless twat brands the useless twat kenwright the rubbish coaches we have ie ferguson unsworth baines just pure losers and let's not forget the cowards that put on the blue jersey.

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06 Nov 2021 13:08:02
Never, Alan? No managerial comings and goings would stop me watching my team. If anything it would be Brands!

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07 Nov 2021 04:49:08
We cld have 5 top managers, it won't help, our team is just crap, not 1 player wld get in any top 6 team, if we stay up this year, it's a bonus, and Allan looking to move on in January, well that's us fckd 😂😂.

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07 Nov 2021 16:19:28
Do you think he’s the man to get us out of the Schmidt?

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08 Nov 2021 01:27:33
We all know how light we are in midfield. If allan went and doucoure got injured as we'd be proper ****ed. We can't afford to lose anyone from our starting 11 with a replacement of equal quality.

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08 Nov 2021 09:13:09
Again with the not 1 player would get into the top sides business.

I think we have a couple they just happen to be injured. Do me a favour and go and have a look at the teams above us in the league who aren't in the big 4 (cos that's what iit is again now) and tell me which of their players would get into those clubs. I can think of at most 1 or 2 per team, and I'm including West Ham who are 3rd in that crop. My list below.

West Ham - 1, maybe 2
Arsenal - 0
Brighton - 1
Wolves - 0
Spurs - 2
Palace - 0.

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08 Nov 2021 17:16:22
DCL Richarlison and Pickford would get into most of the top 6 sides.

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10 Nov 2021 13:00:40
Pickford?

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04 Nov 2021 12:59:13
A question for any of the eds if they could give me an answer.
I noticed one of the less reputable websites have been mentioning Winks from Spurs being linked with Everton. The man in the know (tongue firmly in cheek 🙄) is Noel Whelan! Anyway, allegedly, he has been told to find another club asap. Are these links just pie in the sky or do we hold a genuine interest in this player? Cheers in advance.

{Ed002's Note - Harry Winks (DM/CM) Spurs told interested sides in the summer that he was not for sale but if the player were to ask to leave the coach would be supportive of that. Aston Villa moved on from Pape Sarr and made an enquiy about his availability in the summer - that interest may remain. If West Ham were to sell Rice they might offer an option - as perhaps Manchester United might as a possible Matic replacement. Leicester might also be a possible destination if they were to lose Ndidi, but they have a preferred target in mind. Southampton have declared an interest. He would provide an interesting option for Everton but they would need departures first.}

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04 Nov 2021 13:49:58
Thanks, ed002, great insight as per usual. 👍.

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