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27 Dec 2018 13:12:40
So top four back on?


1.) 27 Dec 2018 14:31:12
yes why not ay.



18 Dec 2018 12:59:55
I think Silva given time will be ok, not sure at the moment he has enough talent available, that first goal against City really knocked me back, doing ok up till then. made me feel yeah "glum" good word for how i felt, onwards and upwards though i'll try to cheer up.


1.) 18 Dec 2018 15:20:13
He certainly has the talent there but not as you say enough, I. E. Two of quality for every position. The way I see it and judge is talent x ability x ambition. For instance would any of our current first choice eleven get into Liverpool, City, Spurs, Chelsea or even Man Utd (and they have just sacked their special one) first choice elevens, I am not insulting Arsenal, just that I think we have a couple that would slot into their setup.

2.) 18 Dec 2018 17:56:26
I would say Pickford, Digni, Gauye, Gomes, Richarlison would certainly get into a starting 11 of the above mentioned, that’s half our team.

If you look at the only window Silva has had, he has brought in Digni, Zouma, Mina, Richarlison and Bernard.

How long have the above clubs had to build their team, forget new Chelsea manager, he had the players there already.

Klopp is building a team but it has taken him a few years to get there.

If we give Silva and Brands the same time, land the centre forward we need and I reckon we will get there, but do not expect Silva to work miracles, in less than 6 Months at the club.

3.) 19 Dec 2018 17:10:53
Not sure any would get in!

4.) 21 Dec 2018 13:47:36
Yes Silva will do ok but never anymore than ok I fear.



11 Dec 2018 13:01:45
Dark clouds, sorry mate have to correct you, calling last night disgusting really flattered them, appalling I would have used, should think some of the dreamers will now wake up to reality, a couple of good spells in the Derby doesn't mean we're good enough, for Christ sake even Bournemouth had a couple of good spells against them and got murdered because Liverpool took their chances in that game.


1.) 11 Dec 2018 15:45:43
Sorry mate, have to correct you but your talking jibberish. a seriously unlucky lose to them and 2 draws,1 of which we should of won and another to Watford who fair play to them played well and deserved the draw at least and you say "appalling". rubbish. progress is being made, take your blinkers off.

2.) 12 Dec 2018 12:21:24
Actually embarrassing how some blues react to a couple of poor performances.
We are just 4 months into Silva's reign.
We still need a quality goalscorer and with one we MASY have got more at ManUtd, Arsenal and even Analfield. We deserved more at each of them!
There is a massive difference in the quality of the performances now to last season.
Klippety across the park has taken 3 1/ 2 years to get where they are. But we outplayed them for large parts.

Clearly we have suffered a hangover from the late derby loss and clearly the last two performances have not been great.
But with any new team we will have good spells and bad.

Even the Watford game we started well before losing our way. But they kept fighting to the end - the very end. To call it appalling is actually embarrassing yourself.



07 Dec 2018 19:37:48
just read Klopp wants Gomes, so it starts.


1.) 07 Dec 2018 21:38:29
According to reports he was very unhappy at Barcelona, but seems happy at Everton and now playing every week. Providing that we are willing to pay whatever transfer fees Liverpool or United offer I see no reason why we would not have a good chance of getting him. Sometimes being happy in your job is the most important consideration.

{Ed025's Note - very true mike..

2.) 08 Dec 2018 08:03:10
Just like Lukaku reports say he's not happy at united and he wants away. That didn't take him long to fall out of his dream move.

3.) 08 Dec 2018 08:45:07
Hasn’t exactly come from the most reliable outlets so I’d take this with a pinch of salt.

4.) 08 Dec 2018 18:25:25
Sky sports and the sun about Lukaku?

5.) 10 Dec 2018 13:57:52
He might need to sack his doctor. He should have stayed!



21 Sep 2018 16:13:21
Along with many others, I assumed that when this group of players had a manager who wanted to play a more attractive style they would embrace it and flourish, now I wonder if some of them can only play in a Big Sam style, much as I hated it on reflection BS got the best out of some of this dross, Sorry but I think we are in trouble again, not because of the manager, but the absolute tripe at his disposal, I know it's only five games but the same signs are showing as they did under Martinez and Koeman even this early.

Just being realistic chaps not trying to spread too much gloom so let's not have a witch hunt for me by the rose coloured glasses brigade, one example anyone watch Zooma for Stoke last season all over the place where are they now? Stop gap at Chelsea crap at Stoke but we've brought in a wonder boy anyway we'll see hope I'm wrong I have been before, thought I'd made a mistake.


1.) 21 Sep 2018 17:26:16
Struggling to remember players excelling under big Sam, there again the football was that dross I can only assume I nodded off.

As for being in trouble, first time in a few years I can see shoots of recovery, Silva needs a couple of windows to fully tune our team.

Once we get Mina up and running, Richarlison back in the team and hopefully McCarthy back along with Bernard Gomes and Walcott fully fit will be alright.

For me we need Tosun to get a goal or two to get his confidence back.

2.) 21 Sep 2018 17:47:42
Hit the nail on the head bignev mate Good post, I don't remember any good game under Big Sam.

{Ed025's Note - me neither..

3.) 22 Sep 2018 13:12:04
Sick and tired of all the negativity. Complete change of management of the team, a different style and not even all our new signings haven’t played yet. Yeah Sunday was crap but we had a lot of first team players missing, even if we had enough out to should have won it. Going to take a little bit of time to get it right. Took them over the road 2/ 3 seasons of klopp to be a good side. Don’t understand what some of our fans want. Bit pathetic really.




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12 Dec 2018 21:31:40
EFCbluemark, everyone has and is entitled to his or her opinion, but to post someone is talking gibberish is really quite offensive, this forum is for different opinions as long as they stay within the boundaries of good taste and not become insulting, I have followed Everton football club since the mid 50's and i can assure you that the overall display against Watford was appalling, we have seen since the season started the upturn in form mainly because of extra effort that is expected when any new manager is appointed some good moments but few and far between this has been a familiar trait throughout Silva's managerial career (not to say that he won't succeed at Everton) and optimism is to be applauded, but don't close one's eyes to footballing reality. please be civil it costs nothing. remember clothes maketh the woman, but manners maketh the man. "ah such old world charm" cheers merry Christmas to all.


1.) 12 Dec 2018 22:20:54
i hate when older men say i have supported everton since the 50s/ 60s whenever as if that automatically means u are superior to anyone younger and that u must no best because u been around longer its so patronising especially coming from someone moaning about someone else lacking manners, heres an old saying for ya "dnt throw stones in glass houses" the game against watford was not "appaling" at all it wasnt our best but the football on offer now is a million times better than last year mate, this isn't ment to be argumentative and dnt want to offend u this is just something that gets my back up massively mate reverse ageism.

2.) 12 Dec 2018 23:58:37
I am also in my fifties John and very lucky to catch our golden era of the eighties.

I really feel for the younger generation of our fan base, season on season watching the club stagmented.

I hope Silva takes the fa cup seriously and give the younger generation a trophy, Christ knows you deserve it.

You are the future of our great support and for me no Evertonian is any better than another, regardless of age.

In regards to the Watford game, I have seen far worse performances and let’s give credit to Watford, who put in an excellent performance, some called our neighbours arragent when we played well, only to say they were below par from some of their fans, Watford did to us what we did to our neighbours, we dropped a point there but gained it back against Watford.

I am now more optimistic this season, than I have been for a while, things are heading in the right direction.

I just hope we can land a trophy again and sooner rather than later for all Evertonians, young and old.

3.) 13 Dec 2018 10:09:21
I've met old men who talk out of their asses and young dudes who blow me away with their knowledge, and not just about football. No-one is better than anyone else simply because they've lived longer. Sure the older you are the more life experience you have, but that doesn't mean you have a divine right to be right all the time.

4.) 13 Dec 2018 12:35:40
I think it's because we have suffered longer😂
Age doesn't matter it's the passion you have for the club that counts. At least that's what my old man told me when I was a kid in the sixties. 😜.

5.) 14 Dec 2018 13:04:55
i mighty be 29 but i have 15 years football coaching experience 9 years of running my own team and have been supporting everton since i can remember but also study football in general and for someone to assume because they wer born 30 years before me means they know football better than i do it baffles me, the football on show is far from appalling why can't you give credit to Watford who came with a plan and executed it and nearly got 3 points or give us credit for fighting back after falling behind and coming away with a draw from a game we easily could have lost? try SUPPORTING the team not following them.

6.) 14 Dec 2018 13:34:33
Sam Aladice was a coach.

7.) 14 Dec 2018 18:25:19
whats your point, yes big sam was a coach was being the main word he achieved great things with smaller teams with less ambitions but was found to wanting when it came to pushing a team like us to the next level. my point was just because u been following everton for longer doesn't mean your opinion has greater value than someone younger than urself and to suggest it does makes u look foolish when your questioning others manners.

8.) 14 Dec 2018 23:39:02
I was born in 32bc and have been supporting Everton since then, I remember one game when the Romans brought a lion on as a sub it turned the game, but we won on penalties and a massive thumbs up from the Roman senator . In later years the vikings gives us a real hard game in the Mercia v Northumbria club challenge trophy.

I know that it hurts when we lose, I know it’s great when we win, and draws can feel both good and bad, I do know I’ve watched more of Match of Day this season than recent seasons, I know Everton can make me feel as excited as a 5 year old on Christmas morning and as sad as a 90 odd year old that’s just lost their partner of 70 years.
We all know these feelings and we all vent our frustrations and our joy differently, some need someone to blame when things go wrong, some will never be happy till we’re winning the quadruple every year. Shall we just let it go at that, let’s not bicker amongst ourselves it serves no purpose. Respect each other’s opinions and get on with supporting our beloved club and laughing at the others
Big C.



11 Dec 2018 13:10:45
Dark clouds, sorry mate have to correct you, calling last night disgusting really flattered them, appalling I would have used, should think some of the dreamers will now wake up to reality, a couple of good spells in the Derby doesn't mean we're good enough, for Christ sake even Bournemouth had a couple of good spells against them and got murdered because Liverpool took their chances in that game.




21 Sep 2018 16:49:08
I do wish people would stop posting we're a work in progress. this would apply to sixteen year old kids if they can't pass the ball 5 yards maybe that's why he who can't be named had them hoofing it 50. These are professional footballers schooled.


1.) 21 Sep 2018 23:59:57
so u want to go back to hoof ball or u want to let the players adapt? i work in a factory am good at my job but if they change the robots I would to faster ones I would need time to adapt and my boss would expect me to adapt in time not overnight, just support the lads ay instead of kicking off when we lose one game for God sake, if we lose our next 3 then rant but right now give Silva a break man.

2.) 22 Sep 2018 23:35:07
Not critising Silva just worried about the quality at his disposal.



29 Jun 2018 15:11:55
schmitt66, didn't say that penalties shouldn't count, just two lists as a matter of intereste.


1.) 29 Jun 2018 17:34:53
Oh. I thought you meant chopping up the golden boot award.



26 Jun 2018 10:06:08
WorcesterEFC, two words, ALAN BALL.


1.) 26 Jun 2018 10:30:49
Worcester EFC I can see your point below but look at Harry Kane. The way he is playing this last couple of years he could probably play for anyone he wanted. He won't leave Hus devote Spurs. Gerrard was another who could of switched to win trophies but decided to stick with his team. Both could of got any amount of medals elsewhere but decided to stay.

I love Wayne Rooney and can understand why he left. Still it was a choice he made. He could of stayed if he wanted to.

2.) 26 Jun 2018 12:43:56
I don't think anyone would argue that Rooney is a legend but he achieved it for Man Utd and England so to me he isn't an Everton legend. Will always be proud he is an Evertonian nut he chose to leave.

3.) 26 Jun 2018 14:07:40
What nobody seems to be looking at is if Rooney had stayed with us would he of matured into the footballer he became. I am not sure he would of.
When he left he worked for many years under Fergie, who was probably one of the games best ever managers. It is that experience that has given him his legendary status. He would of still done well with Everton but you need to ask yourselves did we have the right management team in place to be able to utilise him to his full extent?

4.) 26 Jun 2018 15:24:07
I'm getting a post addressed to me because I said Rooney is a legend? He is! Of course it's obvious he didn't do it with Everton but he's still one of footballs greats. Ask anybody who Evertons greatest players are throughout our history and I bet the vast majority will put Rooney in their list.
I wish he'd achieved things here but there's no denying the talent he had.
As for using Gérard and Kate as examples, Spurs are a big club! Liverpool were a big club during Gerald's time. Both know/ knew that staying with their clubs has/ had the potential for honours. Whereas Everton were in severe trouble, financially disastrous and were more likely to face relegation than a title challenge. It could be said that the money we got for Rooney enabled a squad rebuild that helped us stabilise as a mid table team.
Alan Ball, great player yes, Legend in the eyes of anyone outside Everton, No.

5.) 26 Jun 2018 16:14:21
Who has scored more goals in World Cup final games, Wayne Rooney or John Stones?

6.) 26 Jun 2018 16:40:51
See your point Son of Grumpy and added to that he was playing with top players around him too, would he have flourished with Kilbane on the wing and Marcus Bent up top with him? The talent was there and maybe if he stayed we could have attracted a higher calibre of player, it's all in hindsight really.

7.) 26 Jun 2018 17:21:45
Spurs a big club? When did they win anything last?

You can anything about Rooney. He's this, he is that and I agree Son of Grumpy he was utilised to the best of his ability at Utd. Still doesn't take away the fact it was his choice to leave.

Now I said I understand why. I don't blame him for leaving. Fair enough his choice was to leave. Probably done the best thing for himself.

8.) 26 Jun 2018 20:23:33
NBTB you live in a dream world if you think Spurs aren't a big club. Steadily growing, attracting top players, consistently getting champions league. In polls of who will have a chance at winning premier league this year, Spurs will get a few picks. 9 out of 10 players in a transfer will opt for Spurs ahead of us. I hate that but it's just the way it is at the moment until we make sufficient changes to challenge them. Support for your club is great, but fans who blindly think we're bigger than we are are usually the ones who cause the most discontent when we go through tricky times.

9.) 26 Jun 2018 21:18:59
How can you even equate Wayne Rooney and Alan Ball, may be if he had played in same England team as Ball but as man of the match in World Cup final most feared player apart from Bobby Charlton for nearly ten years, and Everton wise part of a legendary midfield and league champions and FA Cup winning team.

10.) 26 Jun 2018 22:18:56
Worcester EFC stop putting words in my mouth. I never said we are bigger than we are in any way. I wasn't even talking about how 'big' Everton is.

I was responding to your labelling of Spurs as a 'big' club. Compared to who exactly? They are heading I'm the right direction and have improved. We could learn loads from them.

Not sure if I would class them in the elite clubs just yet. You still haven't answered the question I asked. When was the last time they won something? What have they won in the last 20 years?

Nothing compared to Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea. Even Arsenal or Liverpool. So even though the are making fabulous work in achieving success imho they are not there just yet.

And the main point was probably every club would take Harry Kane if they could. All the clubs that won plenty of trophies in the last year. Including clubs abroad. I'm sure the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona would like to have Kane. Probably known in the grapevine he wouldn't move so they don't bother. He has the ability to play for anyone he wants but chooses to play for Spurs.

How many players would choose Spurs over the other clubs I've mentioned? Not many at all. Kane chooses to stay with them because he wants to. Same thing with Rooney if he really wanted to he could of stayed. People make out he had no choice. We all know he would achieve more at Utd. Doesn't take away the fact that he had a choice to stay if he rwally wanted to. Just like Kane.

11.) 27 Jun 2018 00:04:08
NBTB why you being so aggro? Does me saying Spurs are a big club really annoy you that much?

Simple fact, they are a big club!
Why on earth would I answer your question about how many trophies they've won in the last 20 years? I frankly don't have a clue, nor do I care. Google it if you're so desperate for the answer.
Don't change my answer to suit what you want. Where did I say they were one of the world's elite club? That's something for very very few teams to say. Doesn't alter the fact that they are a big club!
So Kane stays at Spurs because he does have a chance to win something there, gets to play in champions league, is at a club that could very easily win a domestic trophy, is capable of a title challenge. Would he move to Real, Barca, Man Utd? Probably, but because they're beyond big club status.

Now please leave it there, clearly you're getting too het up over me saying Spurs are a big club. I'm finding myself having to discuss Kane when I didn't even bring him up in the first place. I'm not the wiki page for Spurs to answer your pointless questions, and finally I'm actually pretty bored with this thread. I gave my opinion to an innocuous question, each to their own and all that, no need to try and size an opportunity to argue.

Laters bignuts.

12.) 27 Jun 2018 08:13:45
Big club is such a strange label to have. It could be finance, trophies, stadium, support, value and it causes countless arguments about who's bigger than who.

Money wise (owners) City are one of the biggest and bigger than the two Spanish sides probably, revenue would see Barca, Real and United. Appeal is probably those three as well. Hours of sunshine would be Barcelona and Real.

Spurs are a big club in terms of appeal, finance, stadium, history and the running of the club, along with about another 40 clubs around Europe including us. With the revenue all these sides have we are all big clubs that can compete at the top end of the scale.

Ultimately, you are only a big club in the truest sense if you are winning and challenging for trophies NOW. Not in the 80's but now. So Spurs are a bigger club at this moment but hopefully in the near future we could be too.

13.) 27 Jun 2018 10:32:27
Well done Worcester you really know how to twist things and avoid points other people make to suit yourself. Your not bothered how much Spurs have won. That's convenient because they have won nothing and you know that but won't admit it.

Your the one getting aggro Worcester not me, bignuts ha ha. The simple point was that Kane is similar to Rooney. Although Spurs are a relatively 'big' club he could do better elsewhere. Similar to Rooney at Everton. He could of stayed but decided to go where he had a better chance of success.

Your saying Kane wouldn't have more chance of success at Man City, Chelsea or Barcelona? Of course he would and he knows it but he chooses to stay at Spurs because of his love for the club. He would rather play for them and have less of a chance of winning trophies. Even though compared to Everton they have a much greater chance.

When Suarez left Liverpool (seemingly 'big' club) to Barcelona did he increase his chances of winning trophies even though he came from a 'big' club? Of course he did and he got to utilise his ability better. He chose to leave for himself. He didn't have any devotion to Liverpool like Kane has to Spurs.

I'm not calling you names or ignoring your questions or telling you to look up anything in google. I'm just simply having the banter here. Not getting aggro either. Its just banter.

14.) 28 Jun 2018 10:12:51
That escalated fast, from two words to a full blown argument about big clubs.

15.) 28 Jun 2018 15:41:41
That's social media for you BeStyrne. All about perspectives I guess. Some can give theirs and take others. Some just can't do that.




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24 Dec 2018 16:16:03
unlucky with the disallowed goal but all teams get rubbish decisions against them, we should have fought through it, but a complete disaster after that, please stop blaming the derby defeat Spurs lost a derby and bounced right back, interesting article in the Echo about Silva, mentions some of his time at Watford, Merry Christmas to all it can only get better after that lot, even 3-0 is better.




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24 Dec 2018 16:15:55
to extend that philosophy johny, why not bring in Tony Pullis as attacking coach, and a long throw expert as well, pump balls into the box? we may have to do that come April but are we that desperate now, didn't we sack a manager whose footballing tactics resembled your idea, sometimes you worry me but you were the coach so you must be correct.




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04 May 2018 13:39:05
you'd think we were Real Madrid, and we can pick and choose any manager we want, has anyone stopped to consider that maybe some have been sounded out and as in recent times top class men won't come, that's probably why SA is confident about next season, oh we'll be ok don't worry, just four or five more top class signings, wonder who they'll be?




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16 Jan 2018 20:37:09
Grumps and Guernsey, your only playing at it mate, I got a nine thumbs down and a minus one in thumbs up, must be a record, still let's not be negative this is almost fame, made me laugh too.




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02 Jan 2018 15:45:54
just go back to the Liverpool Senior cup as in the early late 50s/ early 60s second teams playing qualifiers Tranmere and all local teams involved in early rounds always ended up Everton v Liverpool in final good fun.





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02 Jan 2019 13:28:45
Why not whipping balls in? because they then become 50-50 balls. and we don't have a player who is brilliant in the air, there's none so blind, perhaps all this has become too complicated for you.




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01 Jan 2019 23:33:19
nil satis, have to say after my criticism of Gueye he was our best performer today. though he did find the crowd a couple of times.




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30 Dec 2018 16:44:59
the Silva out group seems to be growing, but maybe he has the same blind optimism as some of our posters with blue tinted glasses, 'fatigue", there is one team in the division won 8 games in December, unfortunately we all know who they are, two more in, three out, next window the same, just a question for all you dreamers. who do you realistically suggest will take this load of dead wood that we have off our hands, if we can see they're crap, so can everyone else, I am tempted to include the manager as well. He's a loser and we'll end up like Newcastle treading water if we're lucky or worse.




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27 Dec 2018 13:13:50
I agree PB keep those doom merchants quiet, never liked them anyway, and never let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale.




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17 Dec 2018 19:37:53
here we go again, another manager we have complete trust in.