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19 Sep 2013 19:35:01
Man utd fan posting in peace.
Hi Ed25,
Great result last w/e
You were right about barkley he looks like a great prospect.
Tks for your fair treatment on my posts and banter over last month or so I think many of the Everton supporters were spot on with their responses to me. {Ed025's Note - all fans are welcome on this site ken, as long as they are not abusive mate..
09 Sep 2013 21:50:15
Man utd fan posting in peace. Prior to end of the window I posted here and had some great responses. I did say I thought we would sign fellaini and Baines and that if we did that I hoped your new manager got the money to spend. well he got a decent portion and I think he spent it well I like Mccarthy a lot and lukaku I also think Barry will do a great job and help some of the younger players. Well done to your club board and chairman whom I have dissed in the past you got a good price and held on to your preferred player and IMO used the money well. I have said it before I wish Everton a really good season hopefully finishing above your noisy neighbours and I understand you not retrning that sentiment. {Ed025's Note - its hard for our guys ken, we have had a cordial relationship with united, but moyes has angered supporters with his total lack of respect for our club, his joint offer for felli and baines was a joke mate..
1.) 09 Sep 2013 21:59:49
I hear you ED. I don't think may of the real Manchester supporters would disagree with you on that point. {Ed025's Note - cheers ken..
2.) 09 Sep 2013 22:15:03
Have always respected Manchester United and indeed my Mum (85) is a closet United fan after air crash. We don't like your 'Big Business' Manchester United mate- go back to the old days when Manchester United fans came from Manchester and we will respect a fine club as ours is. Your success is a prostitution of the game that your long gone supporters (as ours) feel/felt has nothing to to with skill, more to do with corporate profits.
3.) 09 Sep 2013 22:15:31
I think that if a players wants to sign for you he should ask for a transfer. Baines obviously did not have the required desire to play for united, that will only change if he gets offered a new deal and refuses to sign it,, Personally I think he will sign a new deal for everton if he wanted to go to united he could have made it happen but he didn't so I respect that and move on. Shearer was the same he was happy where he was so that should be respected. IMO it shows a lack of personal ambition on his behalf but I understand its a personal decision.
ps ed I have not seen much of barkley but he looks a really exciting prospect where do you think his best position is. a mate of mine is a season ticket holder there and he says he will end up as Englands no 10 for the foreseeable future {Ed025's Note - we have high hopes for him ken, a central midfielder akin to steven gerrard (spit on the floor)mate.. :)
4.) 09 Sep 2013 22:43:21
Thanks ed. If he turns out as good as Gerrard spit spit ;)it can only be good for Everton and England. I hope he doesn't get his head turned like rodwell sinclair moses etc who go to bigger / wealthier clubs offering champions league football when they are not yet good enough to command a regular starting position. then they get lost in the reserves while that wealthy club buys another couple of players in that position. eventually a loan and a move to obscurity having lost important years of their development. I hope you get another 5 good years from him and if then he is a superstar and Everton are not competing for top honours you can let him leave if he wants to go but as with fellaini on your terms. I would prefer him to get chams league with everton over the next 5 years.
5.) About shearer.he wasnt happy were he was.he signed for Newcastle instead of man utd.it wasnt about playing for one of the the top teams in the world but about playing for his home town club.i think baines is the same.life long blues fan and happy were he is.without trying to diss your club ken but the chance to play for Manchester United isn't as allureing as your fans believe especially now gollum is in charge
6.) Man Utd's 'success' has basically been born on the back of the rigged champions league format - which was all stitched up by Fergie and Wenger and their euro equivalents
great for their clubs but completely wrecked the competitiveness of the premier league - with only 2-3 teams really able to compete for the title each year
so big deal that united have 19 titles or whatever - they're not comparable with the ones won by teams in earlier decades such as nottingham forest where a brilliant manager could basically assemble a crack team without spending much and win the league and european cup
united's recent stretch of like 12 titles is really only 3 or 4 in old money - the league has been corrupted by big business and unfoair stitched up money and just the same teams will win it now for the next 100 years - thanks very much fergie and wenger - not!
7.) Hi Ken
I was just wondering exactly how does not joining united show "a lack of personal ambition" from Baines.
you don't know his reasons and neither do I to be honest but here are some options
1 As Everton have been pushing for European competition for some seasons now perhaps Baines would rather earn it than have it handed to him and take the easy road to CL.
2 His desire may also be to cement himself as the no1 LB for England and he may feel the new style at Everton would better assist him in achieving this given he knows what Moyes is like.
3 He loves Everton and is happy here, there is something to be said for loyalty in today's football world. Your mob always carry on about Giggs being loyal to you and how great he is . so why shouldn't players at other clubs get the same respect for their loyalty. (NOT EVERY PLAYER IS A MERCENARY)
4 He makes a very good living at Everton and that's enough. Its not always about money life is more than that.
8.) Ken seems a decent guy but I'm afraid I have always detested Utd. The ultimate beneficiaries of a flawed champions league format. Had they enjoyed their dominance in the 70s/80s they would have been nowhere near as well of. They had a manager who bullied premier league officials for 20 years and got away with it. They we're an utter failure in the champions league. Other than two complete flukes, one which relied on 2 90th minute corners and the others on a John terry miss. I have never liked their 'style' of football. It basically translates to keeping it tight until the 10 minutes injury time in front of 75,000 fans where they would again spawn a goal to give them the points they need. Arsenal were much more worthy champions in my opinion.
29 Aug 2013 18:00:45
man utd fan posting in peace.
I think Utd have gone about these signings in the wrong way but all clubs have been victims like this in the past including united. All managers tend to go for players they rate like and trust your manager did the same thing with Kone and is trying to do with mccarthy. do you think martinez will try to get mccarthy for the best price he can or will he spend more of evertons money than he has to because he used to work for wigan? he got kone for less than his buy out we see benitez got reine on loan moyes is no different, I hope if everton do sell to united they get a fair price and that your manager will get most of the money to re-invest but to be honest i'm sure your chairman will sell at last minute so he does not have to give RM the cash. he did it to moyes nearly every window. I think the person you should be most upset with is the chairman if this happens not Moyes he is doing the best he can for his current employers. the same any of you would do and the same as RM is doing to wigan.
1.) We have only bought 1 wigan player kone. Alcatraz was a free agent and robles was only on loan. Secondly wigan have cto sell being in a lower league. We don't need to sell but the fact is felliani probably wants champions league football and we would get a good fee and 70k a week off wage. As for moyes 95% of fans where happy with him. But he has disrespected us in a lot of ways This year.
2.) Hi Ken
This is the same post that ruffled a few feathers the last time Manchester United put in a bid. I wish you would get your facts right and not try to apportion blame to Kenwright when the only people to have shown a lack of respect or dignity sit within the United camp. We will sell if WE want to sell not because you want to buy. We will act in a dignified and professional manner even if those around us don't.
Popeye
3.) No disrespect intended popeye, I am not happy with the way utd have handled this I wish it could all be done behind closed doors it was the same for us when madrid wanted ronaldo and chelsea with rooney. no manager should talk about another clubs players. but they all do and the media frenzy fuels the fire. as I said IF you do sell I hope u get a fair price 38m + some add ons IMO and I hope your new man gets the opportunity to reinvest.
4.) Ken the guys here have pretty much summed up everything, but what got our backs up is moyes hypocracy. in January Baines was a 20m player. now he is a 10m player. additionally he said efc should act in the players interests and sell them to man utd. same could be said when he handled lescott to city. and more recently Rodney's alleged request to leave. Yes he did a lot for Efc and the fans. but we did a lot for him. we stuck with him and appreciated his honesty and gentleman like nature. but secret meetings with saf and unsettling of our players public ally with below par bids doesn't wash well with us, and we would have expected a certain amount of loyalty still. he will get an awful reception at goodison and rightly so.jcl
5.) I understand your point of view and respect your opinion. I think he will do a good job for Manchester United and I hope that you finish above your noisy neighbours.
6.) At the end of the day most evertonians expected a bid for one or both of the players from moyes, what they can't accept is him saying himself there wortth more then making a bid the day before are first game that was clearly never going to get accepted.
It seems he made the bid to make them aware so maybe they would come out and say they wanted the move, either way unsettling them exspecially with his comment of holding them back. So now if he does come in with another bid he leaves us no time to replace them with decent players as there is hardly anyone around. don't try and compare how we have dealt with wigan in the same breath as he is dealing with us, 10 years service and within a month he's forgot the lot
MikeDeBlue
7.) Ken. all jokin aside mate. good to have a logical debate with you.jcl
23 Aug 2013 17:26:09
Hi all toffee's Manchester United fan here
I am a big admirer of Baines don't think he is best LB in world but defo right up there
Fellani has been great for Everton but I think he will play a deeper role for United if we sign them
I think You need the money Moyes knows that and I thnk you have every right to squeeze what you can from United.
But you know Mr Kenwright will sell but only last minute so he won't have to give Martinez the money to rinvest he did it to moyes on many an occasion. He will take 35m at the last min but and he is only dragging it out so he runs the clock down.
I genuinely wish you a good season.
1.) Are you trying to state the obvious? Still think your about £5m out tho.
2.) Baines is not going to happen ken, I'm afraid. You may get Fellaini but on our terms, £28m I hear.
Oh and I genuinely wish you a terrible season, and you'll be lucky to finish in the Europa league spot.
3.) 23 Aug 2013 19:18:19
first of all who is better than baines? marcelo (backheel to ronaldo and he is quoted as the best left back in the world), cole (finished and lost any pace he had), coentrao (cant defend and is a benchwarmer), alba (so good valencia sold him on the cheap also his fault for all bayerns goals and was ripped into by lucas moura vs psg, all pace nothing more) or evra? (lol) and secondly if this deadline day sale happens and martinez gets nothing then I will hate him and if he sells baines he will be as southall says 'lynched'
4.) Thats great news ken, we have spent 6m at the moment with the extra revenue so i'd say we prob don't need the money, I know yous are desperate to sign somebody and although I agree its happened before if he does sell last minute it would be his biggest mistake as no everton fan would stand for it, good luck though mate I reckon you lot have a good chance of champs league football this year
MikeDeBlue
5.) Thanks for the wishes but to be honest Ken I honestly believe that this time you may be more desperate to buy than we are to sell. Without jumping the gun and judging Martinez too early I'm very much under the belief that Moyes may have been the bigger issue when it came to our transfer woes as he quite often came out and openly stated Bill gave him full control. It seems as there may have been a bigger picture about Moyes taking over united for instance his ability to work on a shoestring budget.
SydneyBlue
6.) So you insult our players, chairman and club and then wrap it all in a nice bow by wishing us well. Baines IS the best left back in Europe, IF we do sell our Chairman will do what he considers best for the club and if anybody 'runs down the clock' it's your non entity of a manager who has sold his soul and lost his morals into the bargain.
Popeye
7.) You have no chance of signing anyone while you continue to let Mickey Mouse do the valuations Ken.
SydneyBlue. You took the words right out of my mouth regards Moyes mate, just seen on Sky Moyes saying United may not sign anyone in this window. Where have I heard that one before?
8.) There is not one chance in a million that these two player will join unt for 35mill, you want the best, you pay the going rate, 20m, 30mill or . off.
9.) Dont think we are desperate but no doubt they both would improve our squad as I said best of luck and I hope and I think you will do at least as well as last year if you can keep your sound defensive record with or without Baines. I like the loan from Barca I hear he is a top prospect. i'm sure we will do well under Moyes and as pi33ed off as most of you are at the moment I think in ten years time you will look back and think DM did a good job for your club.
10.) Op, that's the thing man u think we need to sell so can rip us off as u did with arsnel. come back on sep 2nd an say it again. they will both still be here they not assed about going to united world cup year they will both defo play here so won't hand in a request and we won't sell for less than silly money. guaranteed.
02 Oct 2017 02:34:31
Did i just see the words Rooney and intelligent in the same sentence? Now your having a laugh. He should stick to wearing his everton pyjamas and not the jersey. # finished.
09 Sep 2013 22:43:21
Thanks ed. If he turns out as good as Gerrard spit spit ;)it can only be good for Everton and England. I hope he doesn't get his head turned like rodwell sinclair moses etc who go to bigger / wealthier clubs offering champions league football when they are not yet good enough to command a regular starting position. then they get lost in the reserves while that wealthy club buys another couple of players in that position. eventually a loan and a move to obscurity having lost important years of their development. I hope you get another 5 good years from him and if then he is a superstar and Everton are not competing for top honours you can let him leave if he wants to go but as with fellaini on your terms. I would prefer him to get chams league with everton over the next 5 years.
09 Sep 2013 22:15:31
I think that if a players wants to sign for you he should ask for a transfer. Baines obviously did not have the required desire to play for united, that will only change if he gets offered a new deal and refuses to sign it,, Personally I think he will sign a new deal for everton if he wanted to go to united he could have made it happen but he didn't so I respect that and move on. Shearer was the same he was happy where he was so that should be respected. IMO it shows a lack of personal ambition on his behalf but I understand its a personal decision.
ps ed I have not seen much of barkley but he looks a really exciting prospect where do you think his best position is. a mate of mine is a season ticket holder there and he says he will end up as Englands no 10 for the foreseeable future {Ed025's Note - we have high hopes for him ken, a central midfielder akin to steven gerrard (spit on the floor)mate.. :)
09 Sep 2013 21:59:49
I hear you ED. I don't think may of the real Manchester supporters would disagree with you on that point. {Ed025's Note - cheers ken..