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27 May 2016 19:20:36
Ed002 did we actually have a serous look at Favre? I thought he'd have been really good for us. We presumably could have competed with Nice on salary if we'd wanted him, although I guess living on the Cote d'Azur is worth something.


{Ed002's Note - Everton certainly considered Favre but he knew he was not going to be first pick. Nice gave him an offer, they have a nice new stadium and, as you say, the South of France is a better place to live than Merseyside - although perhaps not Nice itself.}

1.) 27 May 2016 19:37:59
Have you been to Bootle, Ed? I'd swap it for Nice. So if he knew he wasn't first pick, does that mean they had an order of preference from the start or just he knew he hadn't impressed them that much after talking to them?

{Ed002's Note - The club has potential managers where they want to guage their interest and they don't want to make a knee-jerk reaction even though that is what many of the fans want.}

2.) 28 May 2016 07:31:30
Spot on. Look what happened last time.

3.) 28 May 2016 07:58:34
Again, last time Martinez was appointed on 5th June. 2 months after Moyes has given notice. Wasn't a knee jerk reaction.




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14 Jan 2017 07:38:26
Just been reading a report on Vincent Janssen, who we were talking a lot about last year before he joined (of course) Spuds for £18 million. He was supposed to be the next big thing and I was disappointed we didn't get him. 3 goals in 23 games and none from open play, along with comments from Pochettino referring to his fitness and motivation suggest we might have dodged a bullet. I still feel we have to get another striker but just shows there are no guarantees that new players who come in will work out. These things happen at every club. We moan about Niasse, McGeady, etc. but Spuds spent £48 million on this lad and Sissoko and we had posters on here berating the board for not getting these players in. We need a bit more patience and a bit more realism. We're going in the right direction even though it takes time.


{Ed025's Note - your right mate..

1.) 14 Jan 2017 08:17:16
We were also linked with Batshuayi and look how that 33 million has gone, can't even get a game when Costa was out. This is where walsh will earn his corn, Sussing out the character of a player as well as their talent.

2.) 14 Jan 2017 09:01:49
Quite right. As you say every club had duds and wonder buys. For every niasse and janssen, there is a dele alli (5 mil, wow) or Tim Cahill (2 mil)
We can't expect the board or managers to get every purchase right but some managers are better than others.
We just have to trust their judgement, support the players and if it don't work out let them move on to somewhere it may work for them and we try something different.

I think with the huge confidence round the club, new players etc, we may get something from city tomorrow. Coyb.

3.) 14 Jan 2017 09:56:02
Never forget Torres! Chelsea also had Shevchenko, Zhirkov, Wright-Phillips and Boulahrouz. Utd had Veron, Anderson, Kleberson, Bebe, Falcao, Di Maria (and I would add Depay) . Spurs had Soldado as well as the two mentioned above (and Sergei Rebrov - remember him? ) . City have had Robinho, Roque Santa Cruz, Jo, Negredo, Mangala. Our noisy neighbours (and I take no pleasure in this) have had Downing, Keane, Diouf, Aquilani and we must not forget Andy Carroll. Van der Meyde, Bilyaletdinov and Niasse put together don't add up to his fee alone. If we start spending money closer to that of our rivals, we will probably see a few who are flops over the years, but I think - for the money - Everton's signings over the years have been as good overall as almost any other to-flight club. Possibly except Southampton.

4.) 14 Jan 2017 11:10:45
Amen to that coyb!



06 Jan 2017 22:09:03
Been having a look as far as I can at Lookman. I must say I wasn't familiar with him before we became serious about signing him. Some saying he's to lightweight for the prem or too expensive for an unproven 19 year old. I guess say I like the look of him - great ball control, great balance, great tenacity, speedy, can pass, eye for goal. And unlike Sterling, he seems to have good character - focused and grounded. He's not too small for the position he plays. He's the same size as Gana, who plays defensive midfield, where size is more important - this lad is bigger than Hazard and Messi and plays in a similar position to them. I'm not comparing him to them; just saying you don't need to be huge to play very well as an attacking midfielder. He will prove to be a bargain in the not too distant future. Good work, again, Steve Walsh.


{Ed025's Note - i will buy that mate...

1.) 06 Jan 2017 22:29:28
Good times, Ed. Schneiderlin will be another great signing for us if we get that done. Although he's primarily a DM, he offers more going forward than Barry, McCarthy or Gana. He could provide a better link with the forward players than we've had for a while. Southampton fans loved him and even Utd fans seem to have a lot of time for him.

{Ed025's Note - lets just hope we get the deed done mate..

2.) 07 Jan 2017 08:36:36
COYB, the Lookman signing is exactly the sort of signing I was expecting from Steve Walsh's appointment. A bit like we used to do when we signed John Stones and Seamus Coleman from obscurity. Yet what fine footballers they turned out to be. I don't wish to go on about Stones. but some where knocking him and saying he tried too much fancy stuff but anyone who watched his performance last night will have seen him have over what seemed like 200 touches on the ball. Everything went through him and I think it was City's 3rd goal went through him about 4 times in defense then he just stepped out with the ball and bang bang.2 passes and it was in the West Ham net. But the money was good so we can re-invest with 2 or 3 new youngsters that Walsh identifies. This sort of signing still happened under Martinez, but for some reason I think the "ripe apples" we were picking were just not quite ready for the 1st team and Koeman and Walsh will work together to make sure ones we pick now are! Hence Koeman insisting he is not loaned back and goes straight into our 1st team squad.



11 Dec 2016 08:37:00
Signings alone are not going to sort this out. There's more to it than the squad not being good enough. In 17 games this season, we've been well beaten by five teams that had, on paper, less able teams than us. Watford, Southampton, Burnley, Bournemouth, Norwich. Everyone says there are no easy games in the PL and to an extent that's right, but our team is full of players at least as capable as those at teams who've beaten us. If you don't think so, imagine the chat on here if our signings in January came largely from those teams.


{Ed025's Note - its very frustrating mate and i cant at the moment see any light at the end of the tunnel, we look lost as a club and the january window will have to produce a miracle for us to get back on track..

1.) 11 Dec 2016 12:27:16
As others have said Koeman only had about two weeks in the Summer Transfer Window - Clubs literally take months in behind the scenes negotiations long before we know about it - Walsh had no time at all and I would offer up that the majority of the back room staff - still being sorted by the way - also had little time to settle in. We really wanted Koeman and that took time with the obvious knock on's. let's see what happens next month and then with a full Summer under his belt. That said if we finish top 10 this season I would regard that as a job well done. One thing is certain if things had been left we would be staring relegation in the face even after 15 games.



11 Dec 2016 08:41:16
Hit 'post' before I'd finished. I'm obviously not saying there's nothing wrong with the team. Far from it - they're way off the pace. But there is something more fundamental that's wrong here that signings alone are not going to solve. The while squad looks demotivated and new players coming into that culture won't flourish. Something behind the scenes doesn't seem right.


1.) 11 Dec 2016 08:56:38
I'm wondering if a lot of the players know there going and that's why there not bothered. Think the tram will be totally different by next summer.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so fanatic as this shower are a disgrace to the shirt at times mate..

2.) 11 Dec 2016 11:53:09
I agree coby. There seems to be more to it. Energy is at an all time low and seems that it's not a coincidence it has even happening over the last number of games.



30 Nov 2016 05:39:20
I hope we do improve the team in January but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for youngsters to be given a chance. As Ed025 says, Ronnie doesn't have a track record of bringing academy players into the first team. Southampton beat us the other day with 3 of their academy players on the pitch at the final whistle and another 2 on the bench. RK said he didn't even know the young lad who scored and he left the club a few months ago saying they didn't have any young players coming through. Southampton have been for years the best club in the country for developing top quality young players and they didn't really come on enough under RK. I like the look of a few of our young prospects and as many have said, they should be given a chance given how things are at the moment. Can't see it happening in the big games we've got coming up, though.


1.) 30 Nov 2016 08:27:26
If we want to compete at the highest level going forward, how many opportunities for youngsters will there realistically be?
When we lacked funds that's how we developed the squad, but clubs like Chelsea Utd and city rarely built round youngsters in the last few years.

2.) 30 Nov 2016 09:46:01
Whatever his philosophy towards youngsters is, he needs to roll the dice a bit before January the way we are playing.

3.) 30 Nov 2016 13:44:54
While it was nice to see the youngsters get a chance in the last game last season we have still got to get some new blood in. the squad we have now is not good enough for any manager.

4.) 30 Nov 2016 15:07:16
COYB, I'm not sure where you heard RK say he'd never heard of the young goal scorer against us. But surely RK has heard of Charlie Austin and he's no youngster.

5.) 30 Nov 2016 15:17:04
I would hope RK is at least looking at changing the centre half pairing and the central midfield. Gueye showed a few glimpses driving forward against saints and twice found himself in scoring positions which was more than our supposed attacking midfielder in Ross. I would bring Davies in for Barry, put Holgate in for Jags and play Calvert-Lewin up top with Rom in a 4-4-2. Also bring iron lung in for Lennon sorry i meant Del Boy. And let's actually start the game on Sunday on the front foot.

6.) 30 Nov 2016 16:03:05
I would have thought (hope) that RK has a plan and strategy in mind for the future - beginning January - We have in modern football terms an aging first Team but it would appear RK is reluctant to put in younger blood and talent even though I am sure Unsy is giving him the heads up.

7.) 30 Nov 2016 17:26:20
Premier league football is a results drive business these days, all to quickly you have a bad run and your heads on the block as with Bilic and Pardew (who was touted as an England manager not so long ago) RK does not have the time to blood and bring on to many youngsters in the first team, it is more likely they will develop and have to impress on loan in lower leagues.
Lets face it although we are not entirely happy with the current squads showing of late, that could also have a detrimental effect on a young players confidence.
If you look at our brighter stars of late how many have really stepped up and looked that good?

8.) 30 Nov 2016 18:40:14
I don't wish to be confrontational but I remember watching match of the day and Alan Hansen saying that Man Uniteds team with about 6 home developed youngsters would never win anything because kids don't win things. Within that team was the 2 Nevilles, Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and Nicky Butt. Whilst I accept we are 20 years on, the following is an actual statistic: The average number of U23s playing regularly in a title-winning squad since 1992 stands at just 2.5. I am not sure what playing regularly means, but I know if that is the average and some teams only have an average of say 1 or even no under 23's then others have had maybe a slightly higher average than the 2.5 quoted. I also know that most title winning teams rely on any supply of players they can get their hands on. That includes players who come from their own youth system, signings from their own league, signings from leagues below them, signings from foreign leagues and players already established within their own squads. I suggest Mr Koeman will have to source his players from all of these places too.

{Ed001's Note - if you go back and look at that United team, it was not a team of kids at all. They had a spine of Schmeichel, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Keane, I think they might still have had Ince as well that season though I am not sure on that, Cantona. They also had a lot of experience in the squad, other than that 'Class of 92'. Without that experience around kids, you get too much inconsistency, as consistency is developed through experience. Don't get me wrong, they did integrate the youngsters well, but it was far from a team of kids as seems to have become popular myth. Even the likes of McClair, who came off the bench a lot to see out games back then, were experienced players to guide the kids through.}

9.) 30 Nov 2016 18:42:23
Oh and one thing is for sure. we don't needto worry about Barcelona stealing our manager for a while!

10.) 30 Nov 2016 19:50:49
Ed001: You're right that they weren't all kids, but they had several players - Neville G., Scholes, Beckham, Giggs - plus Neville P. And Butt - who came through their youth system and played plenty of first-team games for them. There aren't many Premier League clubs who've had that many youngsters actually make it at the same time at the same club.

{Ed001's Note - I was just trying to say, you can't just throw a bunch of kids together and expect it to work. Giggs had been in the team a while, for starters, before that season, and obviously there was the experience around them I listed previously. It was a freak occurrence that so many came through at once though, you have to say well done to Atkinson for the changes he made, which led to it.}

11.) 30 Nov 2016 20:23:05
That team st Utd was a different era you cannot compare to today when clubs financial resources are in a different league.

12.) 30 Nov 2016 21:59:21
Spot on Wakka. You didn't have mid table clubs spending 40 or 50 mil. Also our league at that time was utter rubbish and had little quality compared to Italy, Spain and even Holland and France.

13.) 30 Nov 2016 22:39:51
You are right with what you say ed, that team also had a lot of experience not just kids dominating the first team. I'm not sure Atkinson can take any credit though, I'm sure Fergie came in and put the foundations in place for the youth system, he did the same at Aberdeen I believe. I could be wrong, just remember reading about it many years ago.

14.) 01 Dec 2016 09:59:19
Ed001 I totally agree about it being a myth about it being a team of kids. but I was responding to the post above that stated that the top 4 clubs rarely build around kids. I was pointing out that all successful teams have a blend of youth and experience. The average premier winning teams have had an average of 2.5 players playing regularly aged under 23. That's 25% of the outfield players on the pitch. But yes 75% are over that age. Never the less, to discount kids would be stupid. They are an integral part of winning teams usually.

{Ed001's Note - I was not disagreeing with you mate, just giving more info for your point.}




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10 Jan 2017 22:15:27
Berahino has a terrible attitude. Don't want him anywhere near Everton.


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10 Jan 2017 22:13:43
Dembele signed for Celtic sensibly to get regular first team football, which we couldn't promise him at that stage. Sometimes fans think a club can just choose who they want to buy and the player doesn't even get a say. As often as not, it's the player isn't interested in coming rather than we didn't look at them.




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10 Dec 2016 14:29:17
Good player.




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07 Dec 2016 05:36:21
Get rid of players with bad attitudes: Geri, Lennon. Bring in Depay. How does that make sense? Schneiderlin could add to the team, though.




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16 Nov 2016 12:52:52
Why on earth would United pay his wages and not take a fee and yet still allow him to play for a rival club?





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22 Jan 2017 08:49:08
Agree on that Degs! Whatever has gone on in recent years, it's what we're building for the future that matters and it's been a while since it felt this good to support Everton.




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21 Jan 2017 18:22:42
Degsy, you're analysis below lists a very selective set of facts and some slightly dubious ones. I never wanted Martinez and I'm glad he's gone. However, your analysis of the Moyes/ Martinez squads is disingenuous at best. As NBTB says, you've picked the best ever Moyes signings (forgetting Nigel Martyn for a minute) to compare with the full set of those made by Martinez. You've played down the good signings he made for very little outlay (Barry, Holgate and - potentially - Galloway) and ignored Mad Robbie's good points (there were a couple in the first season at least and it wasn't all down to Davie because we did better than we had ever done in terms of points that season! ) Let's not forget that as well as Cahill, Arteta, Baines, Jags and Seamus, Davie signed Richard Wright, Li Tie, James Beattie, Simon Davies, Per Kroldrup, Nuno Valente, Shandy Andy, Bilyaletdinov and Magaye Gueye for a combined fee of nearly £40 million - that must be at least £120 million in today's money. If we're going to count failed signings that cost less than a million, as you seem to want to, we can add another 30-odd players to Moyes' list. In addition to that, he had Eric Dier and Shkodran Mustafi at the club and let them go for nothing - together they're worth £60m plus now. You count Ross as a Moyes player - he barely had a first team game under Moyes! It was Martinez who brought him through (then ruined him, to be fair) . Holgate is class, Robles is coming good, can't blame him for a punt on Eto'o for free, we all thought Geri looked like a steal at £4.3m. There is no excuse for Niasse or McGeady and I was never a fan of Kone myself. Also, do you think we'd have sold Stones for nearly £50m if Moyes had still been in charge? The lad wouldn't have even got into the first team yet for the same reason he never played Ross - he makes too many mistakes. At least the Martinez hype earned us some good money there. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to say Bobby was good for us - he wasn't! Neither am I trying to say Moyes was rubbish - I think he did a great job over the years. It's just not as black and white as it's sometimes presented here: both managers made some very good signings and signed some duds. The point now is we have one of the best Directors of Football in the business, an owner with money and a plan, and a manager who seems to have got the team fitter and more resolute. There are some real plus points - some remaining from the Moyes era, some were Martinez' doing (I know it hurts) and some are being added now.




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18 Jan 2017 13:52:31
Ariana Grande or Jessica Alba. This could get interesting.




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16 Jan 2017 22:27:21
His goal was as spectacular as Owen's vs Argentina in 98. The difference is Owen was a striker, while Davies also ran the midfield and cleared one off the line. I don't really like it when young players are hailed as 'the new whoever, and certainly not when our young stars are compared to RS.




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16 Jan 2017 17:24:10
Callum Connolly from our U23s? Good LB but can play anywhere in defence. On loan at Wigan and even scored two goals for them on his debut at the weekend.