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24 Nov 2017 19:41:14
What's with the Martin O'Neill rumours? Normally would ignore this sort of thing but the fact he's suddenly being talked about just as Moshiri says we're close to appointing someone has got me a bit spooked. Surely not? Although can't see who would come right now.
{Ed025's Note - lets just hope thats someone guessing coyb, he would bring that low life roy keane with him thats all we need mate..
1.) 24 Nov 2017 19:52:13
he is now odds on with the bookies, so maybe someone knows more than us, then again, allardyse was odds on last week, and silva was at the start of the week.
2.) 24 Nov 2017 21:04:24
Not being funny but why not Martin O’Neill, he is a good manager that has pretty much performed where ever he has been and has that ability to make average players into very good players something I’m sure he learnt from the greatest manager ever Mr Clough.
People on here keep saying not him, not him. We are not a club that can go and get the best, just like we can’t get those top players we are where we are, I would welcome his appointment just like I would with Dyche.
3.) 24 Nov 2017 20:41:53
I'm with you, Ed. I'm starting to wonder if we'd be any worse without a manager. We look so clueless.
{Ed025's Note - for me we need to bring in a good manager who will get shut of all the old brigade and the "jobs for the boys" mentality that has infested this club coby, out with the old and in with the new mate..
4.) 24 Nov 2017 22:21:29
Right that’s it, I am applying for the gig in the morning ðŸ‹ðŸ».
5.) 24 Nov 2017 21:37:49
Can't wait for a big shake up, Ed.
That sounds ruder than I planned.
6.) 25 Nov 2017 07:13:34
I totally agree with you Ed, start again in January it’s the only way to save our Premier league status.
{Ed025's Note - there are too many ex-players who have got cushy little numbers for me uran and that has taken the edge off the whole club, it needs sorting before we can move on imo mate..
7.) 25 Nov 2017 07:32:54
Spot on ed25. Thing though is the 'old' brigade are the one's running the Club. Very difficult to change direction while the steering wheel is being pulled all over the place. As for Mr Moshri buddying up to Mr White, think someone at the Club needs to give him a heads up. For me talking to Mr White is a very close second to talking to the Sun Newspaper, not quite as abhorrent but never the less still a bit of a whiff.
{Ed025's Note - the whole shebang needs a shake up DFS from the bottom to the top, familiarity breeds contempt and that certainly seems to be the case at everton mate and its needs sorting..
19 Nov 2017 17:24:20
For the record, the reasons why Silva is highly regarded are:
1. He took a team that was 10th in the Portuguese 2nd division when he arrived into the 1st division and got them into the Europa League 2 seasons on the trot - the only 2 seasons they've ever been in the competition.
2. He won the Portuguese Cup with Sporting - their first trophy in 6 years.
3. He won the league with Olympiacos (in fairness, they win it most years) but he also finished with the same number of points as Arsenal in their Champions League group, which also contained Bayern. They beat Arsenal at the Emirates. While that team always wins the Greek league, they had literally no players of real note, unless you count a 35-year-old Cambiasso and Milivojevic, who is now doing OK at Palace.
4. In terms of points per game, he's improved both Hull and Watford since coming to England.
There are worries: he has moved a lot; Hull collapsed at the end of the season; Ed002 reckons he's more of a coach than a manager, which works in Watford's set-up but not necessarily in ours; his teams do at times let in a lot of goals, but not as bad as Martinez, and it's perhaps unfair to make too much of that when looking at the teams.
On the plus side, he's always managed to get wins against the biggest sides and at the very least gives them a game.
06 May 2017 09:13:10
Ed do you have any idea what sort of fees we would be paying for Willian Jose or Bakambu? Kingo suggested Iheanacho below. If he's looking to move on, I would have thought he'd be a great signing for us, though again not sure what the fee would be.
{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the money because it causes a lot of confusion with football fans, but Everton has shown no interest in Kelechi Iheanacho - although another side has. I would not be suprised if Everton were to look to both Willian Jopse and Bakambu rather than one or the other.}
1.) 06 May 2017 10:11:27
Thanks Ed. I know you don't like to talk about money and understand why. Good news that we might have a couple of options in attack. I thought it would be one or other because Koeman usually plays a single striker and didn't think either would come to be 2nd choice.
{Ed002's Note - Bakambu is much more flexible and is comfortable anywhere as a forward rather than just a striker. WJ is very much a striker - but a couple of other EPL sides are keen as well.}
2.) 06 May 2017 10:22:18
Thanks Ed.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
3.) 06 May 2017 10:30:00
While you're on, Ed, may I ask a question? What do you think Everyone can reasonably hope for in terms of the club's progress over the next few (3-5) years? Do you see us being able to challenge the top 6 consistently, qualify for the champions league at all (whatever happened to talk of a breakaway European Super League - are we factoring that possibility in? ) Or is the club just looking to consolidate our position as a good premier league side who sometimes get European competition?
{Ed002's Note - I don't see a significant change. Other sides will be pushing Everton (Southampton might be a good example) and breaking in to the Champions League places will be very difficult but getting to a position of challenging will be possible. In five years time Everton should be settled in to the new stadium and they should be commercially growing. UEFA as you know are fighting the breakaway but Everton are not part of the breakaway plans.}
4.) 06 May 2017 13:19:16
Thanks Ed. I know Everton aren't part of those plans. I was just wondering if it happens where that leaves the Premier League and the remaining clubs.
{Ed002's Note - It remains very much an on-going issue with regular discussions on the matter between a dozen or more clubs. The next will be at the end of August.
Without going in to too much detail: (a) A number of clubs take the opportunity to meet and discuss various issues including changes in rules, club versus country issues, television and other media rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. The meetings were annually but now they happen two and sometimes three times a year. There was a meeting in December – where there was a discussion about the state of FIFA, the situation with UEFA and a so far unpublished claim from a retired referee that the result of a Champions League game was influenced by a third party. These discussions also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (c) The clubs would renegotiate their television and media rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen – which has resulted in a counter-proposal being drafted by UEFA. (e) Timing wise, two very prominent clubs want it to happen as soon as possible (2018 - obviously that isn't the case) and they have the support of a third club - but most are looking at 2022-4 being a good option. A few clubs are looking at 2025 to 2027 and I suspect that could end up as the reality.
There is a counter-proposal to the pan-European breakaway that has partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. This is an option to the breakaway as everyone now knows the reality of it. The proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. However, UEFA are now considering yet another proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite†sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite†group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support.
If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.
I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis.
A further counter proposal exists as a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and Southa American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite".}
5.) 06 May 2017 20:00:38
Wow. Thanks for that very detailed explanation, Ed. Given all that, it seems quite likely that the will be a breakaway league in the sort of timeframe you outline here. If players of those clubs are banned by FIFA, that would surely be a bit of a spanner in the works, though? I guess FIFA will cave eventually. Interesting that there might be a two-tier pan-European solution. We'd have to hope Everton could get in that way? Would that two-tier system involve promotion and relegation? Eventually, it will probably go global, presumably? If Costa goes to China, it seems like a bigger deal than Tevez and Oscar taking the money and a trickle of older players could become more of an exodus if they change their homegrown player rule. As you say, they have money and in the end that always talks. Is the Chinese football league actually financially viable in the longer-term in its own right? I know I've gone off the subject of Everton there except it does affect us in the near future.
{Ed002's Note -
Since China opened up it has thrown a massive potential market in to the mix for professional sports (not just football, but there are other growth sports as well) and a number of Chinese companies see the potential for significant income form the game. Chinese money is already flooding through football with ownership and/or investment in clubs as diverse as Inter Milan, Espanyol, Den Haag, Milan, Sochaux, Aston Villa, Milan, Atletico Madrid, Slavia Prague and significantly, City Football Group. City of course owns Manchester City, New York City, Yokohama F Marino and Melbourne City - and are looking to expand in to China and South America. For years the professional game in China was under a cloud of corruption (including match-fixing) and the Chinese, and to be fair FIFA, have worked very hard to resolve the issues. The game is on the up there and they have the money to pretty much do what they want, and this involves taking a mix of players to play in China - there are high profile players at high-profile English sides that are being offered significant financial rewards for moving to China. There is now a shift coming in Europe and I would expect to see further investment in European sides - there is one organization looking hard at Germany and another already successful in buying in to Italy. They of course have to work within certain legal ownership frameworks and that will restrict investment in certain countries. Do not be surprised to see another English side be taken over by Chinese owners in the not too distant future (let me suggest Lander might look to Southampton as a viable option since their preferred choice is gone). Meanwhile, the profile of the game at home is increasing and the market to be tapped significant. I spent several months in Hong Kong working in both 1988 and again in 1990 and it was clear then that the mainland needed a step change and it could get leverage over so much - since then that has happened. Six months working out of Beijing in 2005 (until they pretty much forced me out) showed that changes were happening - since then I understand from colleagues who do visit that it has moved on a lot.
In terms of my personal view:
The Chinese are intent on cleaning up their act and want to promote sport within a nation that has only recently fully opened their doors to the outside world. There is a significant shift in wealth to the Far East and in particular China. They will invest and build in their own leagues and they will go to other parts of the world to learn. Chelsea has lost one player to China and has had an approach about a second. Other players from the EPL will follow with at least one Manchester City and at least one Liverpool player having opportunities in China for this season that they did not take up - but in the longer term the Chinese will cherry pick and then look to grow. This then leads to potential movement of players within the consortia (as Udinese has done with Watford) and that is something we will see more of but there are pleanty of walls in the way based on (a) convenience, and (b) potential abuse of national or international FFP rules. They will learn from the mistakes of others and they will soon be looking to add coaching capabilities by recruiting from other leagues. It is progress - like it or not.}
The coming years will see lots of changes. You know about the pan-European breakaway proposals, well there is going to be a counter-proposal backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin which is soon to be tabled (at the end of August to the "elite" clubs and in December to everyone else). There will be more global City Football Group style collectives appearing. There will be growth in China. And so it goes.}
6.) 07 May 2017 12:20:02
Thank you Ed for giving us the benefit of all that background knowledge. It puts our domestic plans into context. Interesting times ahead! China will change the world over the next few years that's for sure and we'd better open our eyes to it.
7.) 07 May 2017 18:49:27
So all these greedy b*st*rds will kill football.
Very good read ed02.
I personally wouldn't subscribe or watch any break away league, if we can not reach it I have no interest in it. I only watch champions league now and then hoping one day to see the blues in it.
Wonder what state football will be in if it destroys other leagues and fails itself.
{Ed002's Note - It is a natural progression.}
27 May 2016 19:20:36
Ed002 did we actually have a serous look at Favre? I thought he'd have been really good for us. We presumably could have competed with Nice on salary if we'd wanted him, although I guess living on the Cote d'Azur is worth something.
{Ed002's Note - Everton certainly considered Favre but he knew he was not going to be first pick. Nice gave him an offer, they have a nice new stadium and, as you say, the South of France is a better place to live than Merseyside - although perhaps not Nice itself.}
1.) 27 May 2016 19:37:59
Have you been to Bootle, Ed? I'd swap it for Nice. So if he knew he wasn't first pick, does that mean they had an order of preference from the start or just he knew he hadn't impressed them that much after talking to them?
{Ed002's Note - The club has potential managers where they want to guage their interest and they don't want to make a knee-jerk reaction even though that is what many of the fans want.}
2.) 28 May 2016 07:31:30
Spot on. Look what happened last time.
3.) 28 May 2016 07:58:34
Again, last time Martinez was appointed on 5th June. 2 months after Moyes has given notice. Wasn't a knee jerk reaction.
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21 Jan 2022 21:54:23
Every time we're looking for a manager (way too often) , I want us to go for Favre. This time, it's him or Rudi Garcia. Amy chance at all?
{Ed025's Note - not really mate..
1.) 22 Jan 2022 08:11:05
Cheers Ed. Any idea why? Is it us not interested in them or them not interested in us?
{Ed025's Note - im not certain coyb but i would say its us not interested in them mate..
2.) 22 Jan 2022 09:41:33
Nothing changed, we still have the same idiots running the club, all them managers.
11 Nov 2018 18:44:21
Really impressed with the team today. It's a bit much to expect us to go away to teams like Chelsea and dominate but not many keep a clean sheet there. Next game we should win, while Bournemouth and Watford play Arsenal and reds. Utd play Palace: just hope Zaha can do them. We should be up to 6th or 7th after the next round of games.
1.) 11 Nov 2018 20:09:28
Was at the game today but as usual I had to make do with a home ticket. Thought we did really well, we frustrated out of them and in the main suppressed their goal threats. In the Matthew Harding stand the Chelski hardcore were absolutely screwing, ladies using the F Word, not a good word to say about Morata or Barkley, sheer frustration and anger around me and I couldn’t help but smile. A proud smile. Thought Keane and Mina looked strong and Gueye got stuck in all over the field.
2.) 11 Nov 2018 21:47:34
I think that performance today sent out a massive message to the top 6 clubs. Ignore us at your peril. Silva has galvanised a squad in a short space of time.
13 Aug 2018 07:48:40
Has anyone seen Rooney's contribution at the end of the game in the MLS this weekend? Unbelievable. Don't think I'm allowed to post links here but look it up on mlssoccer.
{Ed001's Note - DC United I think that is the vid you mean...}
1.) 13 Aug 2018 10:57:55
Thanks Eddie. That's the one. 96th minute apparently!
2.) 13 Aug 2018 11:50:40
*Ed, not Eddie. DYAC.
3.) 13 Aug 2018 14:18:48
Has Rooney had a leg transplant. I know the yanks are extreme in body modifications but wow good job, never seen him run so fast. Well done Rooney. We still luv you.
09 Aug 2018 15:26:00
How tall is Yerry Mina without his hair?
1.) 09 Aug 2018 15:52:17
5'3 But he's 6'3 with it. A smidge higher than Fellaini.
06 Aug 2018 18:16:30
Remember that while we do need someone to improve the team in the short term, signing sometime is a 3-5 year commitment with high financial costs. As we are finding out, signing the wrong player causes its own problems and can even be worse than not signing someone. Unlike the rest of us, Brands, Silva and the board have to be confident this is a guy we want here in 2022, not just will be help us best Wolves on Saturday.
1.) 06 Aug 2018 19:15:33
The thing is coyb, we all know we need a center back. Or even 2 center backs. so not signing anyone is not an option. Not if we are to move forwards. This is why I don't subscribe to people getting excited when we are "getting rid" of players. The whole idea of building is to look forwards. Getting better players in. Just getting rid solves nothing without having replacements in that improve the squad. Williams might have deteriorated. Mori might have been injury prone. But both were 1st team players when fit and chosen. We have some youngsters coming through, but unless the manager thinks they are totally ready, he surely has to have replacements ready for those who leave? Otherwise, get rid of all the players now and start looking for better ones. What would happen if we did that? I understand that high earners with little contribution are a drain. but only if they are not playing. I believe Williams and Mori leaving has left us woefully short at the back. We simply must sign 2 center halves in my view. Just to stay at the same level as last season.
2.) 06 Aug 2018 20:14:54
Agree with that COYB, why let Williams and Mori leave without having a solid back up for their departure. Fed up with your job then find another but for heavens sake don't jack your present job in without having a ready made replacement job in your back pocket. Makes sense to me, always has done.
3.) 06 Aug 2018 21:16:56
Mori barely played last season so not having him isn't any different than last season, maybe Silva sees Pennington as an improvement on mori and Williams.
Williams didn't play the latter half of the season so he isn't missed either. Jags at his age is still a better option than Williams so letting Williams go is a simple decision.
I expect Silva let Mori go knowing we would get at least one in, and I am sure we will.
We would be pretty unlucky to bring someone in who was worse than Williams and mori.
{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point smit..
4.) 06 Aug 2018 22:20:51
and hopefully woill have to be very unlucky not to bring anyone in. We surely will?
06 Aug 2018 11:44:37
No way is Dembele coming to Everton.
05 Aug 2018 14:51:04
We should be finishing 7th or 8th, not 7th-14th. While we're still a way off it, that means our first aim is to challenge for top 6. When we've finished in the top 6 for 2-3 seasons, we can start thinking about the next step. There is a world of difference between top 6 and us right now, and it's difficult to see that gap being bridged. Any of the top 6 can realistically aim for top 4. We can't for the foreseeable future, unless as an anomaly a la Leicester. There is a long term job to do, but I'll be disappointed if we finish lower than 8th this year.
02 Aug 2018 21:58:40
Besic is disciplined compared to Kanneman.
02 Aug 2018 01:19:12
Reminds me of Pat Van Den Hauwe. Loved him but he'd be suspended for half the season if he played now.
02 Jun 2018 07:40:04
So in spite of what you said in your original comment, you wouldn't want Pellegrini? It does matter for the sake of credibility that you can say who would have been better than Silva. And of course not Simeone, Zidane, Emery, Sarri or other Fantasyland targets.
22 Jan 2022 08:11:05
Cheers Ed. Any idea why? Is it us not interested in them or them not interested in us?
{Ed025's Note - im not certain coyb but i would say its us not interested in them mate..
13 Aug 2018 11:50:40
*Ed, not Eddie. DYAC.
13 Aug 2018 10:57:55
Thanks Eddie. That's the one. 96th minute apparently!
12 Aug 2018 07:28:28
To be fair, Wood, touting the fact you have a degree and a high IQ does make you sound like a smart arse!
10 Aug 2018 17:54:47
Classic DFS 😂.