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08 Oct 2018 08:34:39
If feel the best time to judge where Everton are is how they've performed when having played against the so called top 6 clubs, both performance wise and result.

As regards the Leicester performance, and something we will never know, is would they have come away with 3 points if Morgan had stayed on the pitch.


1.) 08 Oct 2018 09:34:44
That depends on what your yardstick is Keen17. What I mean by that is. do you mean are we as good as top 6 clubs yet? Do you mean are we getting closer to top 6? Do you mean are we better than the rest? . all I will say is that Everton Football Club were on a slippery slope to the Championship this time last season. We could not muster a single shot on target in 4 games. We looked very fragile and players looked like rabbits with wide eyes looking at a car coming straight at them. Allardyce did what he had to do to stop the rot. This new manager has come in and made some very brave decisions. £40 mill for Richarlison. A player who had lost confidence and not scored in 30 odd games. Bernard on a free. A few others who should add quality to the first team. But most of all Tom Davies as captain at 20 years old. I cannot rate this player any higher. I believe he will be our captain for a very long time and we will add more youth with players like Holgate and Kenny and even Dowell into the 1st team squad. We will get our injured players back and strengthen further with other additions next transfer window. Then and only then will we see if we are top 6 material. If we get into the top 6 it does not matter how we play against them if we pick up max points against other teams. Our performance against Arsenal tells me we have made huge improvements overall in such a short time frame. I for one Evertonian have hope and belief again. I am (as BlueJohnUns says) . enjoying being an Evertonian. We have something to look forwards to. Yes the manager will make mistakes with tactics and other things. Everyone makes mistakes. But he has us playing with purpose. Playing with belief. Playing with some skill and some desire. Playing with youngsters. Playing as Everton should! The school of Science is on its way back!

{Ed002's Note - I would not forget that Richarlison has made it clear that Everton is simply a stopping off point to a bigger club.}

2.) 08 Oct 2018 09:49:54
I think the good thing is Keen is that I am actually looking forward to us testing ourselves against the top 6 versus last season when I was dreading a hiding.

We might still get one but we will be giving it a go and, if we can build on the last 2 league games and grow our confidence we can compete, I honestly believe it, with the very best.

3.) 08 Oct 2018 10:11:58
We will never know - but we will also never know if we'd have got 3 points on the two occasions this season when we've gone down to 10.

4.) 08 Oct 2018 10:45:53
Well Ed002, let us Evertonians hope that Richarlison does indeed give us the headache of having to replace him. He is certainly a top player in my view and draws fouls consistently and yet still manages to score goals and create assists. It is much better that we as a club have that headache just as Liverpool have had that headache having to replace Coutinho and Suarez and others in recent seasons and have managed to do so. I for one do not see him using us as a stepping stone as a problem unless he starts behaving like the guy Pogba at Man Utd who has a terrible attitude from what I can see.

5.) 08 Oct 2018 15:13:21
The problem we had the last time a player used us as a stepping stone was we relied on him so much, it hurt us massively when he left. Hopefully our squad will be built more resiliently in the future with Brands on board than it was when Lukaku left.

6.) 08 Oct 2018 16:30:18
Keen17, not sure if Leicester had not had a man sent off would have drew or won, swings and roundabouts though due to Everton had 2 players sent off when commanding both games earlier in the season and ended up dropping points.

7.) 08 Oct 2018 16:33:30
Thanks for pointing out the stepping stone for Richarlison Ed, happens to a lot of clubs, Suarez, Coutinho, all used smaller clubs as a stepping stone stone, before moving to Spain.

Salah will be their radar as well.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about.}

8.) 08 Oct 2018 17:17:23
Just on that ed. If richarlison does leave for bigger club then we should make handsome profit which can be reinvested in the squad.

{Ed002's Note - With Moshiri providing £200M a window and all of he gifts of h money coming from Ivan Gazidis the massive profit will likely not be of consequence.}

9.) 08 Oct 2018 17:18:52
would not forget that Richarlison has made it clear that Everton is simply a stopping off point to a bigger club. }.

{Ed002's Note - It is a real struggle to understand all of your references to other players bignev (if that is your real name).

10.) 08 Oct 2018 18:35:15
What is hard to understand about references to Coutinho and Suarez joint Barcelona from a stepping stone club, could not be any clearer my posting.

Bignev is fine to use, for your reference for my user name.

{Ed002's Note - Neither player arrived with that in mind.}

11.) 08 Oct 2018 20:00:23
Let’s not forget Suarez saw Liverpool as a stepping stone to play for Arsenal hahaha. Any player in the world find it hard to turn Barcelona or Madrid down. The lads ambitious and that’s what we want in that same interview he talks about wanting to win things at Everton that’l do for me.

12.) 08 Oct 2018 20:10:14
The thing is Ed002, you were having a little dig at us Evertonians about him Richarlison using us as a stepping stone to a bigger club! But when we point out that there are bigger clubs all around you don't like it! I could well see Salah playing for a bigger club like Man City soon. using LFC as a stepping stone of course!

{Ed002's Note - He said it not me. Why embarrass your self with this BS? Why mention a Liverpool player again?}

13.) 08 Oct 2018 20:19:37
Don’t think you have embarrassed yourself at all degsy all you’ve done is make a valid point that everybody else will pretty much agree with I reckon.

{Ed002's Note - Right, it is fine for an Everton player to join and say it is simply a stepping stone but not for me to tell you. Hopeless.}

14.) 08 Oct 2018 20:35:38
He did not actually say that he was asked about Real Madrid and Barcelona. His response was something along the lines of “you have put me in a difficult situation because those clubs are a dream for any player”. He then went on to say “but I
Have just arrived at Everton and right now I am thinking about wanting to be top scorer in the premier league and win trophy’s at Everton”. The point is this would be exactly the same situation for many players. And some have been proven Suarez, bale, coutinho to name a few. I don’t think just because someone called you out on trying to have a dig (which you clearly were) they should be called embarrassing, when quite clearly your acting in an embarrassing way yourself.

{Ed002's Note - Jesus, you must be the most stupid and least knowledgable of the lot. The posts are constantly and repeatedly stupid and embarrassing - you don’t need my help. Moshiri £200M a window’ endless financial gifts from Gazidis; scratching around the internet looking for evidence that Richarlison is not looking at Everton as a stopping off point. And so it goes on and on.}

15.) 08 Oct 2018 21:44:12
Ed002 you mention gifts from Gazidis?
What is the reference to? I thought Gazidis was at Arsenal but is leaving for Milan? Not sure what gifts we would be expecting.

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts - the Everton fans have convinced themselves he will be giving all of the money to them - as you are well aware.}

16.) 08 Oct 2018 21:56:00
I'm confused. Do you mean Usmanov Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry Usmanov. It is all fantasy stuff.}

17.) 08 Oct 2018 22:11:09
Gazidis? Sounded almost stupid and least knowledgeable hehe come on I had to.

18.) 09 Oct 2018 00:41:14
Blimey Ed someone touched a nerve with pointing out Suarez and Coutinho going to a bigger club, god help us if they come sniffing for Salah.

Ok to have a dig at Richarlison as a stepping stone, not so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

Dread to think what will happen if and when Bramley Moore dock comes off.

{Ed002's Note - I still have no idea what this has to do with Liverpool? Or why you would think I would care about the likes of Liverpool players moving. I explained the ignorance of the statement - that was all. It wasn’t a dig at anyone - but certain morons just can’t accept being told the truth.}

19.) 09 Oct 2018 08:03:00
I think it's most players ambition to play for one of the worlds Elite clubs like Real, Barcelona etc and using a so-called smaller club to get yourself noticed, if you are good enough, is an ideal way of making that dream happen. If Richy said what Ed says he did then he has to prove himself worthy, which can only be good for Everton. And if he does go as long as we replace him with similar or better I can't see it being an issue.

20.) 09 Oct 2018 08:03:54
nev u do no ed 002 isn't a red don't you your making yourself look a right fool mate.

21.) 09 Oct 2018 11:10:36
bloody heck boys, ed literally pointed out a factual statement and you have all gone mad at him, deluded if you think richarlsions dream is to play for efc all his life wake up.

22.) 09 Oct 2018 16:50:02
What's so hard to grasp? The lad has intimated that he wants to play for either of the two biggest clubs in football. Most young South American players aspire to reach that level at some point in their career, it's nothing new.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure you can list many, many others who have said the club is a stepping stone and he wants to play for other sides on joining, and then kept mentioning it, even as recently as this week. There might well be one or two others, but the examples given it was not the case.}

23.) 09 Oct 2018 23:16:39
I agree ed002, I just can't fathom why some posters find this so hard to understand. Or why some are getting angry with this being pointed out!

{Ed002's Note - Well they have calmed down now.}



02 Sep 2018 10:08:53
I have been an Everton supporter since 1955. Every season new players have been signed and other players have left the club. Years ago new players hit the ground running, there was non of this "needs time to settle in, get to know his team mates etc".

I am not a footballer, only a supporter so am not an expert on these matters, but when paying massive fees and wages for players I would expect it to be for what they can do and so minimal settling in should be necessary.

The club and supporters have high ambitions for Everton F. C. to return to where they once were, ie the top club in England. Supporters seem split on the choice of the current manager as to whether he will succeed or stay the long term. Myself I feel he could develop into a top coach, but don't feel he will be at Everton long term.

After 4 league games played, against Wolves, Southampton, Bournemouth and Huddersfield I would have expected maximum points. With all due respect to those clubs, we should have beaten them all. What I think is that those clubs have a better manager than Everton have in that their managers get 100% from their players and can grind out a result of some sort. To go 2-0 up at Bournemouth and give it away is not good enough, you might say same old Everton again.


1.) 02 Sep 2018 13:03:12
To be fair Keen when you were growing up the league was almost exclusively Uk born players who would have been comfortable with the language and way of life in the country where they would be playing, now they have to come to terms with a new country, a new culture, and in many cases a completely new language I would think all that would take time to get your head around some might never manage it so I am happy to be patient and hopefully we will see the best they have to offer and I doubt us getting on their backs will make all that any easier.

2.) 02 Sep 2018 13:14:16
But Keen17, you have to take into consideration the past. Particularly last season and how poor the squad had become over successive seasons. Some of last season's performances were just dire. We improved towards the end, but overall were very poor. The new manager has signed some players, but a couple were/ are out injured. Then there was the sending offs. I would also add that some decisions have gone a little bit against us. So I would say that when he has had time to pick a sttled side. Judge him then. I am certainly happier with the squad now than last season. This time last season we were losing left right and center. So far we are unbeaten and playing football that is much more attractive and entertaining. Richarlison is a quality player. We will see if the others are. but they will certainly offer us more than Baines, Jags and Martina will over the next few seasons. I love Jags and Baines. but have to say both are struggling and should have had replacements in 2 seasons ago. that is not the new managers fault! Nor was the lack of a left sided midfielder, a center forward and cover for the full backs. Martinez and Koeman are to blame! Even Allardyce signed Walcott and Tosun! Anyway, give the guy a chance. He says the right things, is signing what seems to be the right players in the right positions and the team are entertaining once again!

3.) 02 Sep 2018 15:34:01
This is a very long competition which is rarely decided in the first 3 weeks. I’d agree that I also expected to have more points by now but the points mage by ToffeAl and Degsy are spot on.

Our biggest problem is zonal marking, which will take time and we’re still waiting for all our defensive resources to become available.

One of the biggest differences for me from last season is that I can see what we are trying to do and it just needs to click and then watch out! Whereas last season I tried to see positives but had to admit defeat.

It’s coming Keen mate.

4.) 02 Sep 2018 16:22:28
You've got to be patient after all the changes. With regard to players hitting the ground running I remember Kendall making his debut. He wasn't that great but certainly became a true great and until the red card Richarlson's had an instant impact.

5.) 02 Sep 2018 16:49:10
To be honest I expected at least 1 defeat within the first few games. I thought it would take longer, especially after preseason performances for the players to buy into Silva.

However, the players have surprised me and the performances have been much better than expected.

For me I don't expect us to really see the best of this team until January and February and then be ready for next next season for a real push into 5th or 6th.

It always takes time to gel and get used to your teammates and style of play. We just need patience and extend our lower expectation for this team to more than 4 games!

6.) 02 Sep 2018 16:53:01
Toffee al, degsyp, Toffee ace and Tedster, I respect and agree with all your comments about my earlier post. While there are encouraging signs with the team and manager I would have expected better results against the less fancied teams. It doesn’t fill me with confidence so far for when we come up against the more so called bigger clubs. Hopefully by year end a better picture can be seen. The last thing I wanted to do was be critical of individuals.

7.) 02 Sep 2018 17:25:21
It is quite simple lads and Keen is correct even more so in these days of supposed Professionalism. To go 2-0 up and lose that advantage smacks of poor organisation, lack of concentration and poor defensive strategy. Yesterday after the 1-1 draw with Huddersfield - a team incidentally we beat 2-0 away and home last season - I heard the same 'we should have' 'need to address' 'not what we should be doing' platitudes and excuses we heard under Mr Martinez. Always said about Mr Martinez that he was a coach first and foremost and would benefit from a competent DoF to do the Management stuff - he is now proving that with Belgium (albeit with a group of wonderful players) . Mr Silva is supposedly amongst the top echelon of man-managers, personally I doubt it, he is far to young yet and needs to gather that experience. Two weeks now to give the lads bought with existing injuries (WTF is all that about) , so hopefully once integrated they will somewhat allay my doubts.

8.) 02 Sep 2018 19:16:36
The points about zonal marking are spot on. that's why I believe Mina was signed. but as yet we have not been able to play him. Most goals conceded have been set pieces that his 6ft 5inch would have benefitted us on.

{Ed025's Note - fair point that degsy..

9.) 02 Sep 2018 21:38:42
Spurs got beat by Watford and City drew with Wolves along with United getting beat by Brighton plus West ham spent 100mil and are bottom of the league. There are no easy games in this league and no guarantees.

There is a little sense of hysteria in some people on here at the moment with little in attempt to go deeper than scratching the surface. There are many shades of blue and not all are the same.

10.) 02 Sep 2018 22:30:13
I hope your right guys. Although I've not seen a goal we've conceded this season that would have been prevented by a defender who was taller. It's the positioning that's the issue not their height in my opinion.

11.) 03 Sep 2018 18:37:51
I disagree with that one Smit mate. Quite a few goals have been set pieces that were balls over the top and beat the first defender and were also into the 6 yard bax and put away. We know we have a short keeper who is amazing at shot stopping, but not so good on crosses. So we need a giant in the center half position and a few others around who are taller too. Richarlison helps being tall as a wide player for defending set pieces. he was out this week. Jags is out. And Mina out. So we are weak at that position just at the mo. Hopefully that will change soon.

12.) 04 Sep 2018 19:33:31
Doesn't matter how tall any of them are if they don't attack the ball.
We are always 2nd to the flick on and being 7 foot 5 won't change that.
Cahill proved for years that it doesn't matter how big the defenders are it's how you attack the ball.



15 Jul 2018 10:26:24
It seems most clubs are trimming their squads by selling or sending players out on loan. We have a fixed amount of clubs but surely an infinite supply of players so far to find another club. The clubs taking on these players are in the driving seat and can dictate the terms of any deals so in effect drive down the costs. This in effect makes it more difficult to move players on as there is less choice of clubs for players to move onto. The only other choice clubs have is to terminate players contracts which itself can be expensive.
I see it as a supply and demand situation, and easier said than done, so patience is needed.




28 Apr 2018 17:25:08
Doesn't it happen in football that the manager can get a vote of confidence from the manager, then the next week get the sack.
I watched a recording of last Monday's game against Newcastle and there was a camera clip of directors box. Mr Moshiri had a resigned smile about something and Bill blowing his cheeks in a "I'm fed up watching this" way. That's my opinion.

Surely the club need to be a top draw attraction to attract sponsors and supporters etc, so it's not in the clubs interest to settle for mid table positions.




27 Apr 2018 20:16:58
I've sat on the fence regarding Alladyces appointment in that give him the opportunity to see what he can do. Personally never saw him as a Everton manager before his appointment.
If he has had a meeting with Mr Moshiri about remaining in charge then I hope he has been made aware that both results and performances MUST improve starting with this weekend match for him to remain.

He is unlikely to take the club further or to a higher level so personally shouldn't be involved in long term decisions involving players in or out.





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04 May 2018 10:24:30
From that list of BW2412 I would go with Benitez. He is a known quantity at the level Everton need and ticks a lot of boxes. 2 years ago my answer would have been no because of his reference to Everton being a small club. Did he really mean that or was it just ‘mind games’ at the time being manager of the reds?




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23 Mar 2018 17:08:42
Burnley’s goalkeeper Pope gaining a good reputation would be a good choice, but being No 2 at Burnley he may not see being No 2 at Everton as an option. But Pickford may draw attention from other big clubs so it’s worth looking at Pope.




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26 Jan 2018 18:36:08
Sure Ray Wilson could do the LB job. He’s only 83. One of the best if younger posters ask.





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02 Sep 2018 16:53:01
Toffee al, degsyp, Toffee ace and Tedster, I respect and agree with all your comments about my earlier post. While there are encouraging signs with the team and manager I would have expected better results against the less fancied teams. It doesn’t fill me with confidence so far for when we come up against the more so called bigger clubs. Hopefully by year end a better picture can be seen. The last thing I wanted to do was be critical of individuals.




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31 Jul 2018 08:40:50
For those supporting Alfie Masson to Everton, it’s reported on BBC sport that Fulham have a 20M bid in for him.


{Ed002's Note - Sky Sports must be well behind the times. The clubs have been in discussions for more than a week and the move is already agreed subject to a medical and personal terms. He wasn't going to move to Everton. The efforts should concentrate Ben Gibson as there is interest now coming from a third side.}



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13 Jul 2018 14:20:34
I would think
Neville Southall
Gordon West
Nigel Martin
I find it difficult to place Jordan Pickford at the moment. Would certainly place him with West and Martin. Maybe after another season who knows.

When I started following Everton Albert Dunlop was goalkeeper. I can’t remember, but does anyone else remember his qualities.

Regarding Pickford, I hope we don’t have another situation like we did with Stones and Lukaku in wanting away. No doubt bigger clubs will soon be showing serious interest in him, so it’s important big progress is made this coming season to encourage him to stay.




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04 Jul 2018 08:57:08
GB, they may be trying to agree who leaves so they can bring in Harry Kane, Maguire, John Stones back plus Ronald on one year loan.




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22 Jun 2018 13:44:21
Toffee ace, I am left footed and been left back. Left back in the dressing room. I am 76 yrs so maybe my age against me.