17 Oct 2017 16:54:09
If we lose to lyon on Thursday i personally believe our europa campaign is over.
We have waited so long for a return to europe and this would be incredibly hard to take given the group we are in.
I was convinced we were easily the best team in the group but after the away debicle at atalannta and the home draw against appollon if we don't get 3 points then all remaining games will be neyond us.

{Ed025's Note - i agree pauly mate..

1.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 17:01:08
Respect Pauly but it didn't/ doesn't take a genius IQ to work that one out. The rub is though that Mr Koeman will still be at the Club, I even think he will be here should the result against Arsenal be negative.

{Ed025's Note - very possibly dunc..

2.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 17:01:26
What worries me most ed025 is the players don't seem to care.
Do they know what this means to us fans? They play like they belive they're our of their depth.
They are experienced (mainly) seasoned internationals yet they put the blue shirt on and completely forget how to play football!
Is that a fault at management level?
I just don't know anymore but something is alarmingly wrong.

{Ed025's Note - its very much a managerial thing for me pauly, there are a lot of square pegs playing in round holes and i dont believe they know exactly where they are supposed to be playing, there is no cohesion between the players mate and for that there is only one person to blame..

3.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 18:19:35
Well then it sounds like he has lost the dressing room (so to speak) and he needs to go by mutual consent.
I see a lot of young talent at our disposal that will ultimately leave the club rather than be made to look useless.
How sad that a club of our size that used to be one of the leading lights in club football can't get the simple things right anymore.
I know our academy is up there with ajax and Barcelona and I've heard that from good authority yet still seem to have a first team with no direction whatsoever.
I don't know what the solution is but i'm guessing it may be at boardroom level as well as management.

4.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 18:21:25
I'm 50/ 50 as to wanting Koeman to leave. It pains me to say this as it could destroy our season but I think we should give him until after the Leicester game to see whether he can solve this problem and if not then goodbye and good riddance. Not much out there in the way of great managers at this point in the season.

5.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 18:53:39
If the players don't know how to play for him then it will not change
Id say get rid now by mutual consent and give unsworth a try.
He won't do any worse and he might not be the answer but if we stay this way then the outcome will soon be a team that's deep in the mire with a manager who has resigned or sacked too late.
Make the change now and give the team and new manager enough time to salvage this season.
We still have a chance in europe but if it goes wrong on Thursday then its over and can you see us qualifying next season?

{Ed025's Note - no chance pauly..

6.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 19:53:03
Craig Shakespeare has just been sacked by Leicester as his start this season is deemed not good enough and they are looking for a replacement to move them forward. I wonder if they want to take Ron off our hands please. In all seriousness, that is not a knee jerk reaction by the Leicester board, it is a decision based on football and performances so far this season, now if only our board would sum up our results and season to date and do the decent thing and sort out a severance package for Ron and a compensation package for Rafa, after all based on current form we are in the brown stuff and I honestly can't see how the current setup gets us out of it. Let's have it right, this isn't a slump in form, this is a crisis. The team selections are wrong, the tactics are wrong and at the moment we couldn't score in a brothel, no width, no passion and no commitment. The fans want a change and by the looks of it due to performances on the pitch, the players do too.

7.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 19:59:25
I honestly think Koeman wanted to play his 352 for the most part but Baines being under par and no decent option on the right has put paid to that at least until Coleman is back. He now doesn't know how to fit the guys into any other formation and that has knocked all their confidence. First and foremost he needs to stop tinkering, pick a team and formation and play them for 4 or 5 games regardless of results. That is the only way he is going to turn this around.

8.) 17 Oct 2017
17 Oct 2017 20:04:08
Not surprising Bluejay this is a club that sacked their previous manager because Vardy and co wanted them to. The last thing Everton need is to copy them lot.

9.) 18 Oct 2017
18 Oct 2017 08:11:09
Smit666, the Ranieri treatment was disgusting after what he achieved the season before but if the players ain't playing for the manager that can spell disaster and possible relegation, which in turn has financial implications, so whether its morally correct or not football is a business and the playing staff earn the points on the pitch. I would say a few of our players have definitely lost their respect for the manager.

10.) 18 Oct 2017
18 Oct 2017 09:00:09
I hope not Bluegray because it is Koeman who has given Klassen, siggy, Rooney and Sandro their chance so to have turned after a handful of games is disappointing but I don't think that is the case. I think we they are struggling to adapt to a new style, team mates and positions which is why I am sure we will come through this. A couple of wins as hard as they are to come by and I think we would see a different attitude.

11.) 18 Oct 2017
18 Oct 2017 10:24:18
If you look at the different fixture lists I think RK will get a bit more leeway to turn things around and quite rightly so. I agree with you Smit666 i think RK preferred starting formation is a 352 and i like you would like a consistent selection but I like the way he changes tactics during matches to try to win if its not working something we never got from our last two managers. I also think that some of the new players are taking a lot longer to adapt than he hoped for. I think that is down to a loss of form from some of last seasons players and injuries severely weakening the the team.

12.) 18 Oct 2017
18 Oct 2017 12:28:17
I don't mind him tinkering mid game but there are partnerships that need to be built. Centre mid, centre defense and the 9 and 10.