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18 Mar 2024 11:12:53
Being reported Forest will hear if they have any points deduction today,

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18 Mar 2024 14:39:13
4 points, not read it all yet but interested to see why only 4 and not 6 like us.

{Ed002's Note - Because it is nothing to do with Everton. We have already established that you all seem to be unable to grasp the simplicity of everything being heard on a case-by-case basis. Take it to the Nottingham Forest page.}

18 Mar 2024 15:14:30
Can this be explained or is it too complicated. I would have thought that we had more debt than Forest and that is why we have lost 6 points?
Premier league have been adopting EFL rules when dealing with these charges.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with that. Move on. Forest should have had no more than a fine and a warning.}

18 Mar 2024 15:20:25
It’s all done very fairly apparently. And to be fair to Forest they were going to struggle as soon as they got promoted.

18 Mar 2024 15:47:17
---------------------Absolutely-----------------------

18 Mar 2024 17:39:22
I have a sneaky feeling Ed02 isn't an Evertonian ??.

{Ed002's Note - I am sick of explaining after telling you all for years this was coming. The levels of understanding are simply astonishing.}

18 Mar 2024 19:04:44
Well you’ve hidden your annoyance really well.

18 Mar 2024 20:52:13
Very funny ?.

16 Mar 2024 22:48:03

---------------There is no point in discussing the finances-----------------

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16 Mar 2024 09:57:09
Who do we blame for the mess we are in .
FM or Bill for selling to him?

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16 Mar 2024 11:12:34
Moshiri for me. He's supposed to be an accountant.
Bill loved the club and was desperate for success. Sadly his biggest mistake was letting him into our club. Just hoping that we get a buyer soon. 777 for me spell trouble. They borrow money off other companies at a lower interest rate if you ask me! The other club's are not happy with them. I wonder why?

16 Mar 2024 12:26:36
If Bill loved the club so much he would have got us a new owner after our cup win in 1995 when we were at our peak value and Bill should have left with dignity and our thanks. Instead he insisted on finding a new owner who would allow him to stay on as Chairman. If he did not agree with the way Moshiri was running his beloved club into the ground he should have resigned, which he didn't.
One has to ask who was responsible for giving mediocre players such elevated wages? Moshiri has to take a lot of the blame but so does Kenwright.

16 Mar 2024 13:21:33
There is a route cause for all failures. BK for me was the route cause.

16 Mar 2024 13:34:21
The more look at it the more the blame has to lay with BK.

Was still at the club when moshiri took over and never appeared once to question what was happening regards recruitment etc.

Also his ridiculous comments regarding how other clubs look up to us to see how a club should be run were crazy.

He waxed lyrical about DBB who from the outside appeared to do ver little for the money she was paid.

He also played his part in headlockgate.

Whilst he was a blue, think it turned more into a money thing for him and was happy like so many at the club to just take his massive pay and ignore the chaos.

Unfortunately the whole sorry affair and current state of the club has tarnished all the good he did.

16 Mar 2024 20:35:51
It’s poor form to speak ill of those who have passed on, what good does it do now. What were all those RIP Bill messages for?
We are where we are and the only thing we can do to change that is get behind the team . It’s time to pack the streets again and welcome the team in 10 games to go!
COYB UTFT.

16 Mar 2024 22:06:19
Sorry Big C but I’ve just responded to skylarks question with my own opinion.

Agree nothing we can do about it now - but not sure BK’s passing makes him immune to blame.

Would be interesting to hear who you think is to blame.

16 Mar 2024 23:11:22
Wow bk done his best, you ar all fickle he saved us and sold us due to some fan pressure. Look at us now.
Age old saying becareful what u wish for. He gabe is a billionaire, we aee worse than ever.

Just to remimd you ppls 40 osh. We were in relegation every year till he took over, he got moyes who took us from relagation fodder to best of the rest. We would mot be in the prem abeit struggljng now with out him. We would be div 1. We were stable at the very least until he sold us. I would have bk an moyes back over this rubbish everyday.

16 Mar 2024 23:13:27
Mishiri is to blame. Bk was there to tr pks fsns he clearly didn't listen to bk at all clearly.

17 Mar 2024 12:43:26
Not disputing he saved us.

However not sure why since his passing people think he is beyond blame?

He was the chairman of the club a role he was paid handsomely for.

The role of a chairperson is to oversee the running of the club and ensure that it is run efficiently and managed appropriately as well as being responsible for the overall relationship between the club and the members and all stakeholders of the club.

Now to me he failed on all those parts when moshiri took over - the club is in a dire mess and we got into that mess on his watch.

Also we were all aware of the massive breakdown in relations between club and fans - further fuelled by the nonsense of headlockgate. Again under his watch.

He did save us previously, however his stewardship as chairman once Moshiri took over was abysmal and for me that has totally tarnished his legacy.

17 Mar 2024 12:51:19
Both! Bill could have sold earlier, but would have been set aside. He wanted to hold on to the Club in some capacity and control. For me he could/ should have accepted a non-exec. No doubt he loved the Club but that is under the bridge now. The main culprit is Moshri and (as Eds mentioned) his 'advisors'. The Gov sanctioning Usmanov certainly didn't help.

17 Mar 2024 14:37:17
I blame Gingerdan and Skylark. Absolutely ran us into the ground then 2 clowns.

17 Mar 2024 17:15:19
Love that FBS - starting to think you’re Denise Barrett Baxendale.

Amazed how many snowflakes on here getting upset that something bad has been said about BK.

If you don’t acknowledge mistakes there’s no way to stop them happening in the future.

18 Mar 2024 07:52:04
Well gingerdan you seem quite good at throwing abuse around . You know nothing about me yet label me a Snowflake.
What I am is respectful especially to those who are no longer with us.
I get this is a discussion/ banter/ rumour site and I’m all for that however abusing fellow posters is bad form and not really what these pages are for.
I’ve been posting on these pages for about 20 years and you are out of order.
I’m done.

18 Mar 2024 14:41:41
Sorry Big C not sure what abuse I’ve thrown around?

Skylark posted a question which I have answered with my own opinion.

As you say it’s a discussion/ banter site and not everyone will agree with each other which is what makes it so good.

I stick with what I said that BK is one of the major reasons for our current predicament.

Respect has to be earned and BK did that when he saved us, however as his tenure progressed unfortunately he lost it with some bad decisions on his part. As chairman he should have stood up for the club and fans rather than going along with Moshiris flights of fancies and he definitely shouldn’t have thrown the fans under th bus with the nonsense regarding the alleged DBB headlock incident and for those reasons he lost my respect.

However just because he’s passed doesn’t make me forget how badly the club has been run since moshiri took over, nor does it give BK a free pass.

My understanding on the word snowflake is someone who is easily offended and unable to deal with opposing opinions.

There have been far worse things written on here by other posters.

Be a shame to see you go, but if you’re unable to tolerate someone else’s opinion that’s your choice.

Hopefully you come back soon.

18 Mar 2024 15:15:24
I’m all for different opinions, just not name calling on what should be a safe forum for us all to air those opinions. In a previous life I gave 32 years where I was hated for what I did as a job not who I was name calling is water off a ducks back to me, I’ve been spat at and attacked to defend peoples rights to air their opinion whether I agreed with it or not, so I ain’t no snowflake. I think BK did what he could and in my opinion perhaps without BK we would be in an even worse situation . Be happy GD.

18 Mar 2024 16:29:11
Cheers for the reply Big C.
Was not my intention to offend anyone with the term snowflake was used as a bit of banter but now appreciate not all may have seen it like that.
As my name on here suggests I’ve had a fair bit of abuse over the years and like yourself it’s water off a ducks back.
Hopefully we can move on from our differences in relation to BK and hope the club some how manage to find away out of this mess regardless who is to blame.

15 Mar 2024 13:26:31
Just watching our training videos from Portugal. It is no wonder we can't score. All we seem to do is play 15/ 20 yard games with full-sized nets and no offsides.

In what way does this translate to a proper in-game scenario. It now makes sense why they all sh** themselves in front of goal as the parameters to score are much more difficult. Not only are there defenders in front of them but they are a good 15/ 20 yards further back than in these training clips. Baffling.

Why not get some proper game scenarios going, where it actually takes some technical nous and execution to score a goal, as it would on a match day. It is genuinely like watching kids football training.

On a positive note, that Chermitti looks like he might actually have a bit about him. Good technique and decision making.

It is clear we won't score through the middle of the pitch and seem to rely on balls coming from the flanks. Wouldn't it make sense to play with 2 lads up top, so one isn't exhausted chasing lost causes and then gassed when they, or should I say if they get in the penalty area. If there are 2 big lads to aim for in there, surely it can only help our chances of scoring.

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15 Mar 2024 14:01:16
BN your being far to logical mate. We like playing with two wide men who can’t beat a man or cross a ball. And a number 10 who can’t pass a ball. But fair play for trying.

15 Mar 2024 15:37:28
I forgot about that part Woburn hahah. What I would do for another Kanchelskis in the ranks right now.

15 Mar 2024 17:00:05
Agree?.

15 Mar 2024 08:25:53
Don't you find it a bit ironic that a club a billion pound in debt, is looking to buy our young centre half for what's rumoured to be upwards of 80m.

{Ed002's Note - A prime example of not understanding the finances.}

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15 Mar 2024 09:15:22
Sorry thought this was a discussion site. Seems strange that a club who are in so much debt, have a ground that is falling apart, and are not in the lucrative Champions league. Are still able to spend what they like.

{Ed002's Note - They cannot spend "what they like", they can spend within the Profit & Sustainability Rules - which Everton have shown they are unable to do. So there is nothing to discuss about another clubs finances. Maybe you should stick to football and consider who would be best to replace players like Branthwaite and Onana?}

15 Mar 2024 12:00:52
Got out of bed the wrong side again did you ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Is there something here which is not correct?}

15 Mar 2024 12:31:02
Sorry Ed but any club can spend what it likes they may or may not break P&R rules by doing so. While business model of football remains the way it is it will never be fair and equitable.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs cannot spend what they like. They have to stay within the rules. What is unfair?}

15 Mar 2024 14:03:36
But those rules are very supple army they. I mean City saying their income last season was nearly 900m?

{Ed002's Note - And in English?}

15 Mar 2024 15:13:09
Think you know that was supposed to say are they not. Cheeky.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what it means or what you are talking about.}

15 Mar 2024 15:18:37
Man Ud reported a loss of 28m for the 2023 year. The fourth consecutive year that the club have reported a loss. Now it might not match our losses, but it still makes you wonder how they are now looking to spend big in the summer.

{Ed002's Note - You are not considering like for like.}

14 Mar 2024 14:47:41
Put Keane upfront, ?.

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14 Mar 2024 18:20:25
Why not, nobody else can score.

14 Mar 2024 18:40:30
I’ve said this myself. He knows where the goal is and has a good shot on him as well as nuisance factor in the box.

14 Mar 2024 18:43:46
Doesn’t that mean he will be coming back into our box for corners? Give him a go but tell him he’s not allowed to defend.

14 Mar 2024 21:09:16
And DCL can help the tea lady.

15 Mar 2024 13:18:17
If we play Michael Keane up top as a PL football club then we deserve to have that status ripped away from us.

Do you really think football at the highest level is as simple as that. Oh, put him up there as he has a decent shot on him. The game has moved on, there is so much more to playing in the attacking positions now. I can guarantee you now, if any of the remaining sides that play us saw the team sheet before the match and saw Keane as the forward they would be in hysterics.

The lad is dreadful at football and should never be able to put on our shirt ever again.

15 Mar 2024 14:04:42
BN are you related to ed02?

15 Mar 2024 15:39:38
What makes you say that Woburn? But yes, you have rumbled me, he is my old man.

15 Mar 2024 19:42:10
BN can't be, he responds politely.

14 Mar 2024 14:44:39
Congratulations to Branthwaite. Well deserved, a silver lining in a ? storm. and if/ when we do sell him, the England call up can only add to his value.

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14 Mar 2024 18:41:30
Hope he gets to experience being around the team, but don’t want him playing at getting injured.

13 Mar 2024 03:13:20
Arsenal showing interest in Gyokeres. We could've signed him last summer from Coventry but yet again left it too late. Instead we signed Beto for a very similar fee.

Enough said.

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13 Mar 2024 08:39:25
Give it a rest - we were interested in him, however he wanted to go to Sporting and play European football - so we didn’t actually have a chance to sign him.

13 Mar 2024 13:02:01
Not to worry, we got Beto instead.

13 Mar 2024 18:21:59
Player snubbed us from the start and didn't even want to consider us. As good said. He didn't fancy us and frankly he's probably about to be proven spot on. We'd have only ruined him with our atrocious football and toxicity.

13 Mar 2024 18:21:59
Player snubbed us from the start and didn't even want to consider us. As good said. He didn't fancy us and frankly he's probably about to be proven spot on. We'd have only ruined him with our atrocious football and toxicity.

13 Mar 2024 20:02:40
Gd not good. And seems duplicated for some reason. Sorry.

14 Mar 2024 05:55:05
Ed02 stated he was never coming. Just the rumour mill spitting out unrealistic targets again.

12 Mar 2024 15:04:36
With all the chances we create I have to believe that we are due to win soon and probably give someone a good spanking sooner or later something has to give and they (goals) will start to flow. Without all the pointing fingers and blaming it’s just time to try and roar one home . I don’t feel like I’ve heard spirit of the blues for ages let’s just do our bit and roar them on . What else can we do, love is unconditional .
COYB UTFT.

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12 Mar 2024 19:03:19
I so want to yell yes mate.

12 Mar 2024 19:16:39
Every home game mate.

12 Mar 2024 14:14:16
Really looking forward to these next couple of weekends. Give my fingernails a chance to grow a bit.

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11 Mar 2024 18:52:36
Anyone fancy elaborating on the new rule change? I am one of them that doesn’t deep dive into the financials other than transfer fees an my opinion on them.

Curious if someone can explain the new rule change a what it means for us.

Thanks in advance.

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11 Mar 2024 20:27:45
I'm not the brightest bulb in the house so I'm staying out the FFP chat ?.

{Ed002's Note - It means nothing to Everton as spending is completely out of control. Hence the penalty and impending second penalty}

11 Mar 2024 21:12:40
In that case, it would mean quite a lot to Everton.

11 Mar 2024 22:01:55
Ed002 - so for when the new rule comes into action, possible the summer I’ve read. Does each club start again in relation to the the new rule starting next season? For example an I could be miles away here hence why I’m asking for anyone to elaborate.

I read that the club can only spend 85% of revenue on players wagers etc. I’m
Pretty sure Everton are a lot higher than 85% on this. So how would that work? Would we be given a period to try and correct this or be breaking the new rule from day dot.

Just wondering how the implementation of the new rule will come into play.

Apologies if I’m miles away.

{Ed002's Note - No, there is no reset. There will be some leniency for LWBs but not for persistent offenders - such as Everton. Everton could have yet another charge before then.}

11 Mar 2024 22:12:21
Regardless of any new charges, outcomes, appeals etc… we’ll have to sell more players and reduce the wage bill. Back to basics, increase the income through the new stadium and sponsorship and set up in a sustainable way.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, that would be a good plan.}

12 Mar 2024 08:43:12
You can spend a percentage of what you earn. That's really going to make it a level playing field for all isn't it.

12 Mar 2024 18:46:12
It was never about making it a level playing field Brass. It’s a shame as I thought it would. It’s more about protecting clubs from going into financial ruin but it seems to be closing the barn doors after the horse has bolted in my opinion. We are trying to improve our incoming by overspending on the stadium which has bitten us. Add into that buying players we can’t afford on over inflating wages and we have set up a long lasting problem that will likely see us ruined. Great on both fronts isn’t it?

 


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