09 Oct 2016 01:25:42
Coleman to united for 16m, so that's the deposit taken care of, so when they come up with the other 16m, we can have a nice chat about the add ons.
09 Oct 2016 08:43:27
Wrote a similar post last week ref to mcarthy's valuation. Where do they pluck these valuations from and when was the last time we sold a first team regular on the cheap. ( luke shaw 30mil full back bench mark)
{Ed002's Note - Whatever Coleman is worth is nothing whatsoever to do with the cost of Shaw.}
09 Oct 2016 09:57:20
To be fair ed he never said it has anything to do with the cost of Shaw he said it should be a benchmark and I agree with him as coleman is better than Shaw so £30 million should be the smallest fee that they offer.
{Ed002's Note - There is no "benchmark", it is absolutely of no relevance whatsoever. If Manchester United purchased Shaw for £5M would you be much happy taking a similar amount for Coleman?}
09 Oct 2016 11:38:12
The price would be set by what he is worth to Everton and then whether Utd would be prepared to meet that price and then whether the player was open to a move. Having read his recent words in the Daily Mail, I don't think he would choose to move. IMHO £16m is ridiculously low for a player of his talent and experience who has just become captain of his country.
09 Oct 2016 12:09:23
Just don't see us selling Coleman in January or the summer think utd will get same response as the last time they tried to sign him as for ROM don't think he will leave in January for utd but the summer might be totally different and there link with Barkley I find a little bizzare considering his form of late.
09 Oct 2016 17:20:10
United paid 30 for Shaw and coleman is a much better player than Shaw so why would we sell him to United for almost half of what United paid for Shaw that's just a joke.
Ed if you had a one bed flat what u paid 50 grand for and a mansion u paid 50 mill for would you expect to sell your flat for Moor than you bought your mansion for all were saying is if Shaw is worth 30 then coleman must be 40-45.
09 Oct 2016 17:20:10
United paid 30 for Shaw and coleman is a much better player than Shaw so why would we sell him to United for almost half of what United paid for Shaw that's just a joke.
Ed if you had a one bed flat what u paid 50 grand for and a mansion u paid 50 mill for would you expect to sell your flat for Moor than you bought your mansion for all were saying is if Shaw is worth 30 then coleman must be 40-45.
{Ed002's Note - You are living in a very naive world if you are going to try and compare the cost of players like that - it really is of no significance at all.}
09 Oct 2016 18:10:00
Ed002 is right imho. Apart from the obvious of him being in the know. There are so many factors and things to consider when a player is moving.
You can't compare prices. It's like saying we drew with Spurs and Spurs beat City so we are going to beat City.
Saying all that I can't see Everton letting him go. If they do let him go I'd expect it be reluctantly and therefore for a far better price than being quoted. When there was a lot of talk about Coleman moving in the media before, prices being quoted were in the region of £20 - £25 million. Prices have inflated since then.
For those 2 reasons (reluctant sale and inflated prices) I would expect a bigger price for him in the event of him leaving. Not taking any other player into consideration. Also its probably the only position of all 11 where Everton don't have a ready made natural replacement ready to step in.
Holgate would do a job but his natural position is centre back. There is no one else who could fill in at right back until we'd get a proper natural replacement.
Can't see Everton accepting anything less than £25m. Personally can't see him going. Everton won't want him to go and he seems as down to earth and level headed as they come. Don't foresee him pushing a move.
10 Oct 2016 10:32:52
Of course you compare prices. Why do you think the TF market continually rises?
It is based on the fact that as one player is sold for an exorbitant fee (eg Pogba) the value of the next 'similar' player rises.
£30 m for Luke Shaw was a ridiculous price at the time but it becomes the 'going rate' for a young, international defender and i'm sure would be quoted in TF negotiations by a club either trying to force a fee up (or down) .
When we sold Stones i am sure we took into consideration the price of David Luiz when he left Chelsea.
The market rises each time a player is sold for an even more exorbitant fee. So clearly prices are compared.
{Ed002's Note - It really does not work like that at all. It is pointless discussing finances with football fans at all - it completely confuses them.}
10 Oct 2016 12:43:36
I shall bow to your greater and condescending knowledge
So the fact that a similar player sells for a certain price has absolutely no impact on the price a club wants / asks for / suggests? Really?
Just like if a house of a certain type sells in a road then someone else buying / selling an identical house will clearly take into consideration that price. I am not saying that it is written in stone but if you don't believe that it comes into the equation at all then i think is yourself that is confused.
{Ed002's Note - Your ignorance transcends almost everything else written on this page. The analogy with houses is possibly the most stupid I have ever heard. Your knowledge of how clubs work and the transfer process is presumably tainted by games or something similar. From now on we will just ignore the financial aspects of the game on the Everton pages - it really is not worth the brief.}
10 Oct 2016 13:05:17
So what makes you different then ed002, i know a lot of people talk bollocks on this site, but like all of us on here your only a football fan yourself, all you ever do is belittle an talk down to us FANS like your an FA CEO or somethin. just because your job is to edit a football rumour network doesn't make you any better than any of us. ...........abuse remove...........
{Ed002's Note - I am not a football fan at all. My job is not to edit a football rumour network. Abusive glifnards like you continue to troll sites like this sharing their complete ignorance of the game, of the business and certainly of how transfer processes work. They are not needed nor wanted here. And I suggest you move on from here, you are not wanted - and try not to leave a trail of slime as you leave.}
10 Oct 2016 14:46:24
On a lighter note Coleman has been exceptional for ireland since he was made captain. Back to his form 3 seasons ago. Very suprised seemed quiet to me. He has the minerals to be a strong captain.
10 Oct 2016 14:51:07
............rubbish removed..............
{Ed002's Note - If you struggle with the truth then one of us has to go - goodbye.}
10 Oct 2016 21:58:33
Yes Tallaghtblue he is playing good for Ireland. Has a lot of passion for both club and country.
10 Oct 2016 23:58:11
I am with Ed on this one, you cannot compare his price with Luke Shaw, if you go off that basis, if the English league champions Leicester match what they paid for Vardy and offer £1 million for Lukaku or even double that would that be a fair assessment.
Some of the valuations I see our fans put on players, Coleman 25 plus million, Baines over 20 million, Lukaku over 60 million, yet baulk if we offer 20 million for targets, same old too much, too old, too slow, not good enough.
7.1 million for Gaye, he got slated before he even kicked a ball, relegated team etc, now that same player will probably be in the £20 million plus price range by our supporters.
You just cannot put a valuation on a player, simply because the buying club paid more for another player.
11 Oct 2016 00:28:19
ed is right, you can't look at what team has payed for other players. when we go to buy a forward from another club should they think that we payed 13mil for niase and base the valuation of the player on that. as an example, if we bid for shane long should they say you payed 13 mil for Niase so long must be worth 30mil?
11 Oct 2016 14:48:14
If Niasse is worth 13 Million Stateside Long would be in the 50 million bracket going off performances, still the way I look at it, we mugged Villa for 7.1 million for Gaye so we've clawed a bit of the Niasse money back.
12 Oct 2016 19:26:09
Surely the board and powers that be will just decide on a valuation of what he means to our club, similarly they will set a valuation what they want to pay for a player, if sides don't agree then the deal doesn't happen!
And all this is irrelevant if Coleman does not want to leave and we don't want to sell! Papers can print whatever stories they like.
{Ed002's Note - Right.}
13 Oct 2016 10:42:47
Pretty much sums it up Southern Toffee.