Everton Rumours Archive August 08 2013

08 Aug 2013 20:33:39
Thought liverpool went in for diego costa. not douglas!

08 Aug 2013 20:06:41
Shane Duffy going on loan to wigan as part of the mcmannaman or McCarthy deal

No he's off to Leicester on loan

Duffy off to Leicester on loan

Anyone else bored with the constant link between McManaman/McCarthy and Everton. Never happening, cause there is no money. SIMPLES!!

Because of kenwright

08 Aug 2013 19:50:38
vbSQQY Thanks again for the blog post. Much thanks again. Cool.

08 Aug 2013 19:09:34
What happened to all the interest in Mouthino?
ed - in your opinion what is the % rate of Fellaini & Baines leaving? {Ed025's Note - mouthino signed for monaco mate, i would like think baines and felli would both stay, but in the real world there are big doubts..

08 Aug 2013 18:44:13
Come on then ginger haired rat, make a bid for fella, 28 to 30 mill might get yer best mate, forget about bainsey, peanuts would miss him, COYB

08 Aug 2013 16:37:00
We are set to bid for Santos striker victor andrade, availiable for around 7 million, 17 years old, previously linked with city, arsenal, chelsea and Real madrid. he is described as the next neymar!

And you saw that where?

Plus, I doubt he'd get a work permit.

£7m for a 17 year old?

If we were to pay 7mil for someone they would go straight into the team we are not going to rely on a kid of that age for our goals

Doubt he'd get a work permit? You playing football manager? Haha

I don't reckon we'd get him but he qualifies for Portuguese passport, hence why loads will chase him.

He's got a porteguese passport so wouldn't have to worry about a work permit

Good player, but he'll end up at Tottenham or something

Tv reporting the interested teams are Real, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Newcastle.

He said that he'd like to go to the premier league. Why not us?

To the guy who said about playing football manager:

Yes, I have. Fantastic game and so unrealistic when it comes to money, which is too brilliant. I took Chester from the BSN to UCL winners in 6 seasons. Absolutely epic. I play it every day.

08 Aug 2013 16:34:51
anzhi midfielder willian has been told he can leave for around 15million. surely a good replacement for fellaini who seems to be going to utd, similar player to keisuke honda.

Willian is a mile better than Honda (not saying that she a bad thing). It would be very very tricky to land him as he was linked to Chelsea and man city last winter however if we sold fellaini we should have the necessary funds.

For god sake can people stop thinking that we are going to sign players like eto, willian and witsel because we have no chance. Tell them please Ed
Cheeks {Ed025's Note - these players are on mega salaries cheeks, so i fear you are right mate..

Wages would be a stumbling block.

Wages?

08 Aug 2013 14:51:29
Liverpool Echo reporting United are preparing a £50m bid for Baines and Fellaini:


Everton FC are preparing to fight off a £50m joint bid from Manchester United for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.

Manchester United are expected to submit an imminent joint bid for the pair with Fellaini is valued at £28m and Baines £20.

New United boss David Moyes has already had an initial £12m offer for Baines categorically refused in June by his Everton, who have declared he is not for sale. Fellaini's £23m release clause has now expired.

£50m! rip their arm off!

It's probably a load of rubbish but I'd take the £50m IF it was on the table.

I would take it!

The Liverpool echo is not reporting this, they put up all the Everton rumours under the title "Everton rumour mill " along with lots of other nonsense stories, it's on everyday with every Everton rumour from around the web.

I would defo take that. We could basically add 4 or 5 top players IF martinez was allowed to spend it all which I think would be highly unlikely knowing our board of scheisters (sp)
Cheeks

Its only in their online 'rumour mill' section and has no apparent source. Just a rumour. I want to keep both but at a push Fellaini could go but how on earth can we replace Baines if you look at what he contributes to the team. 50 million, if its ever offered will probably be accepted by the hierarchy, question is how much goes towards re investment in players versus Barclays etc.

Mart {Ed025's Note - thats the question mart..

For 48/50 mill I'd drive them there.

09 Aug 2013 09:41:30
a £23m release clause that evaporates now means we can dictate the fee, not the other way round. a bid of £23m would've meant letting him go (unless your name is Suarez and your Chairman/Manager are a pair of Thomas Lunts)

I would turn down 50 million. Yes it is a respectable offer, but we shouldn't be letting our top stars leave for their valuation, especially the best LB in the world. Manchester Utd should have to overpay. I would want 65 million for the two, plus first refusal on any manchester Utd players they are willing to sell. For f**k sake, they were the 12th and 16th best players in Europe last season. If they were buying these players from somewhere like Chelsea, they would have to pay a 6 figure sum probably. Prime example David Luiz: 50m price tag, the same as the proposed bid for feli and Baines. The transfer market is an absolute joke! I don't even rate Luiz that much. As a defender, he lacks discipline, isunable to hold a good defensive line, and his movement off the ball can be absolutely destructive to Chelseas defence at times. As a midfielder player, felli is better. What justifies the price difference?

08 Aug 2013 12:16:44
according to this trusted financial reporting we need to sell at least one player per season and also does anyone know the outcome with Barclay's Bank? see last line in following :

Everton made a loss of £9 million from revenue of £81 million and a wage bill of £63 million (10th highest in the Premier League). The operating loss of £19 million was improved by adding back £14 million of player amortisation and depreciation less a working capital adjustment of £2 million, giving a negative cash flow from operating activities of £7 million.

Everton's need to box clever is highlighted by the fact that even after net player receipts of £11 million (sales £23 million, purchases £13 million), they do not quite manage to break-even with negative cash flow after financing of £2 million. All other things being equal, they need to sell a player every season to stay afloat.

This is due to £4 million interest payments and £0.9 million repayment on assorted loans. The club's debt stands at £49 million with an £11 million overdraft plus £24 million loan notes (borrowed against future season ticket sales) and £14 million loans (borrowed against future TV money). The lending arrangements with Barclays Bank expire on 31 July 2013, so these will have to be renegotiated in a few months.

So they have already expired then

I can't help but wonder where did you get this information from? Or have you just filled in the blanks with guess work? What do you make of this ed? {Ed025's Note - it seems very detailed and genuine, how true it turns out to be is another matter though..

Good note - I suspect you have a background in finance (as I do) - but one additional point - isn't the TV revenue money going to increase in future?
So 'we' (i. e. the owners/the club) may make a profit going forwards if we hold the ship steady on its present course

the alternative is to expand our lifestyle / expenses to fit the new income - hence increase our wages and player purchases - and still end up just making smallish loss

the temptation will be to trade up as other clubs will be too, and we have to compete

(depreciation on players' inital cost cannot be ignored though as we do have to buy new players occassionally - of course the trick is to buy players at lower than what you're going to sell them for later (baines / fellaini?) but that's easier said than done - moyes was good at it (sometimes) but we don't know if Bobby is so good - though he did have some cheaply bought good players at Wigan whose value has increased

08 Aug 2013 17:13:20
This information is freely available should you wish to take the time to look. It's hardly confidential stuff.

08 Aug 2013 20:52:38
Yes, this is published information. Also on the deprecation. Like all clubs we "value" our players annually, for accounting and insurance purposes, and the value is agreed independently by the bank, and this is based on what we could expect to receive in the current transfer window if we were to sell, less the players wages for the next 12 months, so this season the balance sheet we will do quite well out of Fellani and Baines whether they get sold or not. Where we have lost out big time for example, was two years ago when Yakubu had a large carry over plus value which turned into one heck of a loss!
AJ

Very impressive finance work but I don't think it's as easy as that who dya think u are Gordon geco haha

08 Aug 2013 11:22:43
The attacking midfielder will be mark boussouffa from anzhi makkachala, then marrone, jorginho, alderweild to be bought, heitinga included in the alderweild deal+cash

Where we going to find the money for all these extra players wages? let's be realistic
Torbay Toffee

I think we will get Alderwield and Marrone.

Fellaini cash.

We don't have the money for all of those! Come on let's talk sense now, I hope we will get Alderweirld as he'd be a bargain at the reported £5 million fee, after that I hope we have enough left for a creative midfielder or a tough tackling midfielder to bolster up the centre, i'm not sure we will though, we may have to sell to buy unfortunately

As I just said. From the sale of fellaini

08 Aug 2013 10:26:12
I have heard this rumour from a decent source in the media, however, before I go any further, I'd like to point out that 1) I don't believe it, 2) Even if the rumour has some substance behind it, it's a far cry from it actually materialising and 3) I am only the messenger.

So here goes, UTD desperately want Baines and after failing to get Fabregas, they want Fellaini almost as badly. The opening bid of £30m which has angered some blues was not tabled by Moyes (who identifies targets in tandem with Ferguson, ) but does not set the price. The bid came from UTD's negotiation team, and it is understood by both clubs to be a way of opening up the negotiation rather than a final offer.

Here's where it gets interesting. Ferguson sees Rooney as a cancer in the dressing room and wants to marginalise him at UTD. That being said he sees him as a world class player who could seriously imrpve both domestic and European competitions, potentially costing UTD the Premier League if he went to Chelsea, and victory in European competition should he go to PSG. With this in mind, UTD are seriously reluctant to let him go to any club which might be a threat to them, because the financial risk would be more than they stood to gain should the sell him and take his wages off their balance sheet. Consequently, he is currently being marketed to Everyon as part of a package weighted against Baines and Fellaini, UTD are even prepared to continue contributing to his wages because they do not believe Everton, even with Rooney, will be a threat.

08 Aug 2013 11:18:39
May have substance

I love Bainesee with a passion but would gladly accept 30 million and Rooney for them both.

Betty swollocks is what I think {Ed025's Note - nice girl betty.. :)

08 Aug 2013 11:50:18
Not a threat?. we beat them last year and the 4-4 draw the year before cost them the title. both without Rooney.

Id have Rooney back tomorrow, unfortunately I can't see it happening.

Sell them fellaini, keep Baines. get McCarthy +1 (who exactly, i'm not sure) with the money. happy days.

08 Aug 2013 12:05:25
Conjecture, half truths and lies. Not difficult to make this sort of nonsense up.

Sell Felli, 20m + Rooney if he takes a massive paycut.

Buy Rooney for £20m and sell him to Chelsea next day for £30m. Job done

You actually make it sound believable. Still I doubt it would happen

In a weird twisted way it actually does make sense. Obviously I have no idea if there is any substance to this rumour, however, if it is true I think it is a serious under-estimation of Everton by Utd. With some cash for Robbie to invest and Rooney I think we could be serious dark horses of the Premier League, a very good squad, decent youth to fill in and given a chance to impress and a manager who is more interested in winning than not losing so isn't afraid to go for the jugular, maybe the promised land is in sight boys!

08 Aug 2013 20:58:12
I posted more or less the same story a few weeks back, Fellani for Rooney, the swap was proposed by BK.
One point, Man U would only be allowed to contribute towards his wages if he was on loan, so that won't happen.
AJ

WTG. Dark Horse for the Premier League. UNREAL!!!

08 Aug 2013 08:19:12
All the Russian sides going broke it seems. Strikers I'd give for eminike, traore, or eto'o on the cheap. I'd also see about axel witsel in midfield. Not sure exactly what their rated at.

Emenike has signed for a turkish team

All these players are on stupid money, Eto'o is the highest paid player in the world. He's probably on the same as half of our squad

Way too pricey for our meagre transfer & wages budget.
Unhappy-Camper

Russian teams also pay ridiculous wages! Probably why their going bust!

TC

Just saying that now that those players are coming back to Europe, they will have to get their heads out of the sand and ask for a reasonable contract.

08 Aug 2013 02:11:15
Heard Felliani in straight swap for Rooney and Nike paying wages, happening tomorrow, any truth in this? {Ed025's Note - no..

08 Aug 2013 09:34:05
since when would a sponsor be paying a player his salary?

Nike pay part of wes snieders wages

Nike pay Rooney money to endorse them, in addition to his wages. They don't actually contribute to the wages themselves, and never will do. They won't pay a player who is tarnishing his reputation, to leave one of the most marketable clubs in the world, to join us, one of the least.

Nice rumour, but too many issues go against it ever getting off the ground in reality.
Unhappy-Camper

08 Aug 2013 19:35:18
nike wouldn't want him to go to Chelsea though because they sponsored by adidas mate.

08 Aug 2013 00:49:02
Manny fernandez going to west ham? Love to see him in a blue shirt again

That ship has sailed.
Unhappy-Camper

08 Aug 2013 11:44:48
He is and never was good enough for Everton so stop looking backwards all the time and look to the future.