Everton Rumours Archive January 02 2018

 

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02 Jan 2018 21:04:45
Would a Pan-European club league (or even a worldwide league with Chinese and South American sides) inevitably lead to the diminution or maybe the demise of nation-state competitions like the FIFA World Cup and the UEFA Euros?

It seems that the clubs on either side of the Pan-European League debate have too many vested interests - especially financial - for this to be solved amicably. Once the "top" clubs form their cartel - and as long as the broadcasters are getting value for money (subscribers, advertising, etc. ) - then that'd be that. I suspect that the financial lure of the huge Asian market will outweigh the tradition and fans' wishes of the smaller European market.

On a different tack (and, for the sake of argument, forgetting about a possible European League) , are there any genuine moves to create a "British League" (involving Celtic, Rangers, etc., along with English clubs) ; would that league be the top of a pyramid system with promotion and relegation (as is the Premier League currently) ; would it reduce the number of British teams in the UEFA club competitions; would the national teams merge into one Britain team for the World Cup, etc. ; would the English, Scottish, Welsh Football Associations be merged into one single association by FIFA and UEFA; would Irish football (north and south of the border) most likely be merged into a single association and league (maybe aligned with a British pyramid system) even though the political divide still exists?

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03 Jan 2018 10:06:24
Bobby looking at ed002 reply earlier there may be a case for the total demise of both FIFA and UEFA in the long term with national leagues being total restructure in different regions. A lot of this of course is linked to the economical fortunes of football which could be impacted by all sorts of factors outside of the control of the power brokers.

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02 Jan 2018 19:46:34
Hi Eds,

What is the current situation with Grameiro?

I am a bit puzzled why we aren't going after him if he is surplus to requirements for Atleti.

He is by far and away the best striker we can get in, in the current state the club are in.

Would he be open to a club like us, or is he wanting someone a little higher?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Vietto is leaving Atletico so for now he looks like staying.}

03 Jan 2018 01:49:54
Could not agree more Jmw, one player I would take all Day long, he was struggling to get in the team so even though Vietto is leaving Costa will replace that player unless they plan on more leaving. Worth a pun before they offload other players.

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02 Jan 2018 19:16:01
We should walk away from the tosun deal as trying to deal with Turkish clubs is very difficult remember the problems with yobo when we tried to sell him. The Turks can't be trusted.

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{Ed002's Note - You think Everton should show the way by rolling over and selling players for less than being asked for.}

02 Jan 2018 19:48:52
Have to agree with ed here. What do you expect clubs to do? Thank us for our first offer and be done with it. Football is a business which involves huge amounts of money. Negotiation will always happen on all sides.

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02 Jan 2018 20:01:35
I think sometimes our negotiations are like that rude driver or person leaving/ entering a premises that you give way for. They never say thankyou or acknowledge and would never repay the favour. People have a go at that man Levy at Spurs but he gets things done.

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02 Jan 2018 20:29:36
I’m glad our fans don’t negotiate transfer fees, wages, or any other club business, as we’d have gone out of business long ago. Our club might deserve criticism, but imho some of that is frankly ludicrous.

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02 Jan 2018 16:50:36
latest online about tosun, is that the deal should still be agreed and completed and that he has been told by steve walsh to be ready for Friday incase called upon.

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02 Jan 2018 09:01:06
So it looks like Tousan deal could be off due to a 2 million difference in valuation, I have to say if this deal doesn't happen then the club should be ashamed of themselves, we held other clubs to ransom for our players but don't like it when clubs do it to us, that's the way it goes he was identified the manager wants him he is highly rated just stop the messing and get this done something's never change with Everton, we need a striker just get it done.

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02 Jan 2018 09:59:42
Always the same with us isn't it Stef, they must have seen last night's game and saw what we saw that we need someone anyone who can put the ball in the net just get him signed.

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02 Jan 2018 12:49:31
Its not like that though, I mean i'm not an inside source, but the view i'm getting is everton agreed a fee with besiktas, for them to turn round last minute after the player has already travelled over to the uk, and say they want to change the fee, its like you buying something in a shop then at the counter them charging you an extra 10%.

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02 Jan 2018 15:26:43
Exactly wblue. Why people continuously point the finger at our own club and assume the problem is with them gets on my wick.

They are by no means perfect but they have to put with a lot of stick from their own fans. Not to mention other clubs they are trying their hardest to do business with.

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02 Jan 2018 17:52:00
Spot on NBTB.
The club can't win at times. With Gylfi a fee had apparently been agreed then Swansea suddenly ask for more. Stand off ensues and everything is delayed.
Some fans say we should walk away.
Some fans say just pay it.
And when it goes wrong they change their mind and berate the club.

He will have a value to the club. They will have an idea what they want to pay. And if a fee is agreed we should stick to it.

Now we got some money appears that 'a couple of million' can be just thrown away. How short our memories are.

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02 Jan 2018 18:22:14
100% agree with last 3 comments.

Nice replies Dave1878, NBTB and Wblue.

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02 Jan 2018 19:23:22
We need a striker one has been identified we have a derby Friday night against a team who just don't want to beat us but humiliate us and you think the club are doing right over 2 million yis need to give your head a wobble. If we don't sign a striker in this window and the team suffers to get wins you will all be on here whinging this lad is needed and needed big time if it was 10 or 15 million extra well then I would understand but 2 million in football money is nothing just pay the money get the player and move on seriously I know everybody has a right to there opinion but bloody 2million difference get a grip.

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02 Jan 2018 19:24:54
I know it’s difficult for fans to ignore all the conflicting reports and social media speculation, but it’s all just “click bait” until an official announcement is made. Until then, perhaps we should save all of our passion for actual matches and not get so emotional about gossip, and hearsay. However, I must admit that the banter is fun and helps pass the time - but lighten up, everybody ;-)

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03 Jan 2018 12:21:56
fact is stef you don't want your club taken for a ride, if this was January 19 i'd be 100% agreeing with you, but there is certain circumstances to each deal, tosun wants the move and its early doors to get this sorted, its all well and good just paying it and getting it done early, but what message does that send out to other clubs in the future we may have to haggle with? 'its only everton we can bump the fee up they'll just pay it anyway? '

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02 Jan 2018 03:52:37
What do the Everton fans on this website think about the "top" cubs forming a European League - especially if it means clubs leaving their domestic leagues?
Would you change your opinion if Everton were one of the "top" clubs (be honest) ?
What do the Eds believe are the pros and cons of a European League for football as a whole - and, as has been mooted, are the "top" clubs pretty much set on this course no matter what FIFA, UEFA, national associations, or whoever might do?

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{Ed025's Note - i think it will happen but not in the near future bobby, it will decimate english football and seeing as we have no chance of being involved i hope it falls flat on its face mate..

02 Jan 2018 08:58:18
I'm with ED25 the club's will be Chelsea Utd City Liverpool spurs and Arsenal with only 4 making the cut when it happens every other league will go the same way as the Scottish premiership.

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02 Jan 2018 09:13:19
I hope it doesn't happen either, it will be a disaster for Everton and any club left behind in there domestic leagues, I really hope this won't happen Ed002 gave a good insight into what's going on at the minute and to be honest I am very worried about it.

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{Ed002's Note - It has been on the cards for a number of years Stef and is the natural next big step.}

02 Jan 2018 13:29:41
someone still has to finish bottom of a super league, what will their gates be like then?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure you grasp what s proposed.}

02 Jan 2018 14:15:47
Call me a traditionalist but I like the current format, imagine the derby's we'd miss out on. Even though we lose pretty much every year I'm still buzzing every day derby day comes around. Also lose a few London derbys too, not sure if it would also mean the wouldn't be part of the FA cup, I love it when a non league team gets drawn against the big teams. We'd lose that too.

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02 Jan 2018 15:37:04
I personally Bobby would not buy into it. Watching CL is different cause it’s a goal anyone can achieve. A league on its own without my team or the goal of reaching it would have zero appeal to me. Sure it will sell to all these country’s that have no decent football, these supporters don’t really understand or look at it with the same passion we do for our club and league fixtures. They just see who is winning at the time and support them.

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02 Jan 2018 15:45:54
just go back to the Liverpool Senior cup as in the early late 50s/ early 60s second teams playing qualifiers Tranmere and all local teams involved in early rounds always ended up Everton v Liverpool in final good fun.

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02 Jan 2018 15:56:30
I would be interested to know if the PL would want to try hamper the formation of a European league as it may impact on the revenue streams going to the PL. A question for Ed002 as you think this is a likely thing to happen what do you think the format of the league would be and who is likely to run it?

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{Ed002's Note - The Premier League has no way of hamering it at all. UEFA and FIFA are looking for other solutions. It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen – which has resulted in a counter-proposal being drafted by UEFA. There are actually two counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with some of the the leading clubs from England. The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of "elite" sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year and nothing has happened. However, UEFA are now considering yet another proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support. The second major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite", but not for any one else.

If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. So the PL would then disappear and something new would arrive.

A new body would run the league with a likely board made up from the initial member sides (which looks likely to be 16) and some independent non-exec directors. Nothing has been decided but the subject is regularly discussed.

As for my opiion, I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Timing wise 2025-2028 might be realistic, but some are pushing for earlier.}

02 Jan 2018 16:46:39
Why would any prem team want to leave the biggest brand in football, the reason other European countries want this is because there leagues are on the decline in terms of money and commercial revenue, there is a reason why sky let the champions league go to bt as no one wants to watch to the later rounds, the premier league is watched because of the excitement that our league has, different styles week in week out.

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{Ed002's Note - The three Premier League clubs involved see it as a natural progression football wise.}

02 Jan 2018 18:01:46
Natural progression has nothing to do with it. It’s all about money. Always will be. Clubs don’t give a toss about who they play it’s how much they can get. I am sure if they thought they could get in the Chinese superleague then they would.
Greedy players, greedy agents and greedy clubs.

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02 Jan 2018 19:30:35
Woburnlue: fans are greedy too - would anyone really decline the opportunity to compete in a “super league” because of an altruistic belief in the “good of football” rather than desperately wanting their own club to be winners?

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03 Jan 2018 09:58:07
Thanks for the comprehensive reply ed002. If this does come to fruition then I can see the progression over time from regional based teams within countries to more of a national base. Which then just becomes more of a rich man's world cup, unless the funding of the less wealthier regional teams is really taken into consideration at the outset.

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{Ed002's Note - Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good. Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again).}

02 Jan 2018 00:18:36
Today I noticed the players looked more concerned with keeping shape than actually pressing the ball. Its OK defending well but when that invites the opposition to pick their spot from range that then defeats the object of defending as a unit.
There were gaps to exploit United, but other than Bolasies 1st half run at the defence we didn't exploit this.

We need to get the balance between defence and attack correct soon or we will end up losing or drawing more games than we win.
Will a new forward make the difference? IMO no, not unless we get the balance right, McCarthy showed more in the 20 minutes he was on than Schneids has shown all season and got the crowd up with his tackles.

We need more than Tosun, if that actually comes off, we need a link between midfield and frontman by way of a good creative midfielder, if Tosun comes off then go and get Dembele and have a front line with pace and power.
The last 2 managers have set us back 5 years, meaning we have had to recruit a ship steadier, the midfield needs to be more involved in attacking than defending and then and only then will we actually win games.

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