Everton Rumours Archive July 25 2018

25 Jul 2018 11:18:34
Moshiri has said capacity of New stadium will be 52-55k.

25 Jul 2018 12:08:29
About right imo.

25 Jul 2018 12:33:16
If that’s correct (a big “if” at the moment) , then imho that shows that the club’s hierarchy does not believe that we can ever challenge for a place at football’s top-table, which may or may not be realistic at the point that’s now been reached in the overall structure of football, but the lack of ambition it shows (just my opinion) is mind-boggling and begs the question of why are they are even bothering to run a football club - unless it’s to reach a point where the ownership can sell-up for a tidy profit.
On the other hand, would increased match-day income from a newer, bigger stadium be a major financial component compared to what we get from television money, Premier League (and UEFA completions) prize money, -commercial income (which is seems pitiful at present) and player trading? Maybe player trading is the plan: bring in promising young players to develop them and eventually transfer them for a profit.
Perhaps that’s what these young players are told: join Everton, you’ll get to play and prove yourselves, and then eventually join a “bigger” club.
Could that be why Lookman seems so unsettled - because has hasn’t been playing?
Anyway, the club remains silent (officially) about the stadium and just a few crumbs of unofficial “information” appear in the media.
It’s said that “no news is good news”, but is it really?

25 Jul 2018 12:45:44
The Etihad capacity is a fraction over 55000 and for uefa competitions it's limited to 53000. Would find it hard to argue city aren't challenging at the top table?

25 Jul 2018 12:47:13
So we need a 65000 plus stadium? Nah that's foolish, we'd never fill the darn thing. 55 seems the correct number. And remember, Man City and co have all extended capacity in their new stadiums. If the d3mand is there after we have been s3lling out 55 then sure, the design will be done in a way that had future scope for extension and that's when we can start adding to 5k seats.

Why would we want a giant stadia we can't fill?
More delusional hogwash from our fans.

25 Jul 2018 13:36:32
Apart from the last line you read my mind myteamisbetterthanyours. I'd expect plans in order to expand if need be.

{Ed002's Note - It is not possible for such a large stadium to be buit without Everton paying vast amounts in to improving the local infrastructure. Liverpool has a rather similar constraint on them.}

25 Jul 2018 15:29:18
The reason we need a better stadium is because our lack of corporate opportunities are crippling.

Before Anfield expanded, their Matchday revenue was around £62m P/ A. Ours is £18m. The huge discrepancy is largely down to our lack of corporate entertainment and not the 7 thousand or so fewer seats.

With the new stadium this will be one of the main areas to address. Whether it’s 55k or 60k it won’t make much difference in income compared to what we will gain by having a state of the art corporate experience.

Ultimately we want the right amount to fill so that the atmosphere is as close to Goodison under the lights as we can get it.

COYB.

25 Jul 2018 15:26:01
Ed002: interesting point about the local infrastructure needed to support a large stadium - especially in an area like the north Liverpool docks where I’d imagine that new roads and new rail links (and stations) would have to be built to cope with the traffic not only to and from the stadium, but also to and from all the other proposed new buildings (hotels, shops, offices? ) in the entire development area.
I imagine that West Ham United’s move to the former Olympic Stadium was a great deal (financially if not for the fans! ) because the infrastructure was already in place and the stadium was already built and didn’t need a huge amount of work to have it ready for PL football.

{Ed002's Note - Generally so.}

25 Jul 2018 15:49:00
I agree. i'd rather have empty corporate seating knowing we have got enough. Its got to be better than empty seats everywhere.

5000 extra is around 3 mill a year (if we fill them all) offset that against the cost to build those extra 5000 coupled with the extra facilities, access to the ground, local infrastructure as Ed says.
doesn't seem worth it.

25 Jul 2018 17:18:17
I think you have to put your trust in Dan Meis who warns about just believing "more is better. " Also I'm almost sure I read that due to the limited size available for the footprint of the proposed stadium future extension will not be possible.

25 Jul 2018 18:07:26
Wouldnt sacrifice atmosphere for added seats. Empty seats look awful.

25 Jul 2018 22:51:53
I agree, I’m not to fussed over the capacity of the stadium, just as long as it’s over the 50k mark. It’s the sh! te sponsorship deals that infuriates me. I couldn’t care less if we where sponsored by ‘Morally’ inappropriate companies (like some say for example) betting, alcohol, etc.

We need to stop taking this moral high ground and ensure that whilst we don’t sell ourselves to the devil we get as much money we can from Shirt Sponsorship, Brands, TV, Stadium rights etc. as we can. I cannot BELIEVE some of the clubs that receive more than us in this department. Said this for years our commercial teal needs to get ‘commercial’.

26 Jul 2018 01:31:48
So 51878 I heard Meis wanted to incorporate 1878 in there

There’s nothing to say the ground isn’t future proofed with an ability to expand part of the stadium if ever deemed necessary.

25 Jul 2018 07:13:37
Hey Ed025 with more rumours this morning on Mr Usmanov selling his shares in Arsenal what's your take on this situation mate, would he do you think buy into Everton in some way such as the new stadium with naming rights etc, just seems lots of investment needed with the stadium project this could be just the time for him to join us.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure how it will pan out GB or in fact if we are even in his plans, but if he wanted to come i would welcome him with open arms mate..

25 Jul 2018 07:46:54
Yeh cheers for that mate Usmanov just seems to be doing this at the right time call me cynical mate but this chance could be too good to miss, coincidence hmmmm.

25 Jul 2018 11:18:35
Think Mr Usmanov already has shares in Everton, (indirectly)

{Ed002's Note - That would be illegal.}

25 Jul 2018 11:26:06
That's why it's (indirectly) Ed, he did give our new owner a big big gift, wish I had a mate like that? but wait I do Ed25?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. If it were found that there has been illegal investment in Everton or the name of shareholders not being disclosed, the consequences for the club are well beyond serious.}

25 Jul 2018 12:10:04
I read an interview with him some time ago, and i recall he said something along the lines of "he doesn't necessarily want to invest in a football club only arsenal as he has always been a supporter of that club. " However, he is a business man after all and if there is profit to be made, then who knows.

25 Jul 2018 13:26:09
If the people running Everton Football Club allowed any breach of the PL, FA, UEFA, FIFA financial regulations, then they and the club would rightly be subject to severe sanctions. Just look at what happened at Rangers when they were demoted to the bottom tier of the Scottish league system.
The business links (and friendship) between Moshiri and Usmanov are well documented.
The sponsorship by USM (Usmanov’s company) of Everton’s training complex is clearly known - the sign at the entrance says “USM Finch Farm”!
The football authorities vetted everything and nothing was found that breached their rules. Any stories about gifts, indirect involvement, etc., are idle speculation and of no apparent concern to the football authorities.
If (a big “if”) Usmanov sells his entire Arsenal shareholding, there’d have to be a good business reason for him to then invest in Everton instead (just like there surely was for Moshiri) .
Of course, they’d like to control the running of a PL club (which they couldn’t at Arsenal) , but they’re businessmen who (in my opinion) want to see a return on their investment - which means not only success on the field, but also the eventual possibility of selling-up at a tidy profit.
All I would say further is that if Usmanov did sell his Arsenal shares - and Kroenke became more firmly entrenched there for the long-term - then the Arsenal fans (many if not most I’d suggest) would be distraught. They eventually got their wish when Wenger departed, but getting Kroenke out will surely be a much more difficult task.

25 Jul 2018 13:30:35
I think the hardest part will be selling his shares to someone who will not be a majority holder and not have the big clout on matters, I cannot see him selling his shares to the other guy at Arsenal either.

Coming to Everton would be the easy part, almost guaranteed to be the majority share owner after negotiating with his mate Moshi.

I still think Moshi was here to secure the majority shares and when doing so, it would fall into place for Usmanov to take on his next challenge.

Should get the steel for the new stadium at bargain price as well, kill two birds with one stone.

25 Jul 2018 16:41:04
bignev: notwithstanding what Usmanov does, there’s a school of thought that the club will raise more cash - not as debt (loans) , but as equity (shares) by creating more shares (I think it’s called a “rights” issue) . That way Moshiri could put more cash into the club - and stay within football’s financial rules - by buying those new shares. Has anyone else got genuine information on this?

25 Jul 2018 22:41:01
I was listening to a sports radio channel today and they had a football finance expert on talking about the Arsenal situation with Usmanov wanting to sell his shares. The interesting thing he mentioned was that when Usmanovnmanages to sell his Arsenal shares he will speak to his financial advisor.
The host asked who that was and the answer was
Mr Moshiri
Expert then talked about the difficulties involved in throwing loads of money with the new restrictions.
So whilst possibly exciting we shouldn’t get carried away.

25 Jul 2018 23:12:14
The easiest (and by no means easy) fix to FFP is that any money spent on infrastructure, training facilities or youth development is not counted. Therefore for e. g, AU could come in and fund a brand new stadium, double or training facilities, double or youth development and all this investment would not be included in any FFP calculations, add into that a Stadium deal like City got away with i.e 400million over 10yrs, effectively again by there own owners. -Ratified, and . Where there is a will. there is a way!

{Ed002's Note - It is not counted already.}

25 Jul 2018 23:19:14
Hi Ed, that’s right isn’t it what I’ve said . Any monies spent on infrastructure, training facilities or youth development will not count as expenditure, in terms of against income. It’s basically a free pass.

{Ed002's Note - Correct.}

26 Jul 2018 13:07:38
Big New: Eds may correct me, but given Kroenke's position as a majority shareholder I believe he might be obliged to offer other shareholders the opportunity to sell, and in turn increase his own level of control. Might be Usmanov's way out if indeed he is looking to divest.