Everton Rumours Archive July 19 2012

19 Jul 2012 21:56:18
No technical problems watching the entire match on my iMac. Poor game, but Coleman and Osman were prominent - the rest did OK-ish apart from Rodwell who was very poor. Anichibe gets too frustrated when he (too easily) gets dispossessed. Barkley and Garbutt came on as subs and individually worked well down the left. Junior was cautioned for a bad tackle that would be a straight red in the league. Johnny Heitinga, the summariser, had earlier called Junior our new pit bull - not half! It's early pre-season and our first choice team is yet to play, so things ought to improve then. With Jelavic, Naismith, Pienaar, Gibson, Heitinga, Jagielka and Baines to bring in, there'll be a massive improvement.
Cowpat Sid

19 Jul 2012 19:06:40
I posted about Naismith costing around 4.5mill due to the wages of his 4 year deal and we can't get Pienar until we sell Yobo due to Yobos wages.
What a lot of you can't seem to grasp is that in our situation financially that "free" signing has cost us 4.5 million that is how it looks to the banks anyway as we have agreed to pay that to him over 4years. When you have zero as your budget we are now negative. However if we sell Yobo his 40k per week transfers to Naismith, his fee can go to Spurs and as we are not paying Drenthe anymore we have a big wage available, BUT Pienar can't be signed financially unless Yobo goes, end of. Hate to be the deliverer of factual news.
Svenny

Umm no transfer budgets and player wages are seperate accounts. Hints why over the past 3 seasons we have not been able to really sign anyone but increase the wages for new contracts with our big name players
Harris

Svenny I could not have put it more clear myself mate well wrote lad.

Drethe was on loan,hence we were not payin him in full anyways

That's a load of crap mate. what about all the players that have left?

Wow, that's a minute of my life I'll never get back!! Cheers prof

Maybe I`ve worked it out wrong but if Naismith is getting 4.5mil over 4 years hes on 93k a week ?? surely not hes a good player but he`s not worth that

ToffeeAL {Ed025's Note - take no notice al...hes not even on half that!

I'm afraid the people who run our club are financially inept and have been for years. When you consider that tHose financial poweR houses reading and Southampton ( who were bankrupt 5 years ago ) can buy players and pay bigger wages than us and we have been picking up sky money for years beggars belief

So whats the rumour? That you hate delivering 'factual news'? cos if so I dont beleive this rumour for a second.

evertonroar

If he is on 30k a week that's 120k a month. That's 1.44 mill a year. Times that by 4 and what do you get?
To those saying all the players that have left the only one on any big money was Drenthe.
To those who say wages and fees are separate you are living in a dream world, money is money and we make a loss. We got a bit from Nike, and a bit extra from tv. This equates to a total of around 8 mill. That's Naismith wages and one other set of wages on 3-4 year deal. So we have to sell Yobo.
To those that say we don't pay Naismith upfront for all his wages, no we don't but when you owe the bank you and sign a 4 year contract with a staff member they would ask to see where those funds will come from when we are making a loss ( I have already explained where those funds will come from)
Look fellow blues, don't shoot the messagener I just stating facts having studied our accounts which are available to all share holders and it's in black and white boys.
I'm very happy with our squad and think we will have a great season, I'm just explaining the hold up over Pienar which is down to us needing Yobo off the books as he is on 40k a week.
Eds don't pretend that you know it all when I'm simply going from our accounts and trust me I know my economics.
Svenny

Al if he's signed for £4.5m over 4 years he's on about £21,651 a week. Speaking of wages since this time last year we have saved, Arteta 75k, Yakubu 55k, Bily 40k, £170k a week saved. Not taking into account the transfer fee's admittedly lots went to bank. Where does all the money go.

It all comes from the same accounts so Harris is not quite correct. The bank has to sanction any expenditure over and above the day to day running costs of the club including wages. Wages are banded, that is to say as long as they are between agreed levels per month the club do not need to request the banks permission. The bank have sanctioned the Pienaar deal, any hold up is between Everton agreeing a fee with Spurs.

No worries ed didnt think it was a FACT was pointng out the maths didnt make sense

ToffeeAL

Dont think thats anything to do with being inept I think in the long term our club is run responsibly Pouthampton and reading have both been taken over recently that's probably why they can spend who's to says they wont end up like Portsmouth money doesnt buy team spirit which we have in bucketloads.

ToffeeAL

Guess i did work it out wrong then i divided 4.5mil by 4 then by 12 so I got his monthly wage not weekly so my bad although i still think transfer budget and wage budget are separate things

ToffeeAL

Good original post. People seem to forget that 'free' signings and never free and effectively cost many millions over the period the player signs for. Additionally, although Everton are known for being tight in the transfer market, we are not that tight in paying wages. Most of our money goes to players on fat contracts, some of which don't even play that often.

It makes me laugh when people argue that Everton spend less than other so-called smaller clubs, and base this argument solely on transfer spending. The likelihood is that these other 'smaller' clubs do no not have the same number of players on fat contracts that we have.

All I have to ask then, is if you have access to the accounts, we're has all the money gone from sale? Why not feed us more information on the clubs finances? How much do we now owe as a club?

EverTheOptimistic

To evertheoptimist, we owe the same that we have owed for about 5 years. We only pay off the interest on our loans which is completely legitimate if not slighty precarious. Sales of Billy, Arteta, Beckford has been eaten up by the purchase of Jelavic and Gibson and the wages of Drenthe then the surplus went to the bank.
What people fail to realise is that we lose about 4.8 million a year, we need to pay off interest of around 2 million, this equates to a 7 million shortfall. Now with Lescott sales and even the Rooney sales the shortfall has been non exsistent until this year, we are lucky that the tv revenue increased as did our shirt makers input so we have kept the wolves at bay again, but with no investment we will have to generate an extra 7 mill over the next 18 months, now if you sell Yobo for 2, minus his wages and you do the same to say Anichebe then will be fine and could essentially get another free or a cheap deal on a 1-2 year deal.
People have a go at the board but this shortfall has been saved previously by Earl buying shares at inflated prices for example.
Ultimately a new stadium, with higher ticket prices is the only way to turn the annual loss in to a profit, or champions league revenue.
Financial fair play rules won't help us as although we have a relatively high turnover which is what these rules allow you to expend on player purchases we don't have a sugar daddy to match it.
I know this is boring and dream killing but I promise you if you asked the CFO of EFC he wouldn't be able to deny this. I will be worried if we get Pienar and someone else without a player sale as it will mean a big sale (baines, felli etc) will be on it's way.
The one to get rid of financially is Cahill followed by Anichebe svenny

19 Jul 2012 18:16:36
On Steven Pienaar's Bio on Twiter it say's 'Official Twiter Page of Everton and South Africa National Team Captain Steven Pienaar'. This could be a hidden clue as he played for Tottenham last night so I guess he would be under a regulation to state which club he is actual playing for. Also it seems as the Tottenham fans don't want him at the club either as they booed him off the pitch I heard.

Its been that way for a while pal. i completely believe he will be in the line up against united. regardless of him playing last night and smiling in a picture.. an all of the other stuff people are posting

Cropper

He hasn't changed it since he left everton

Been like that since he came here on loan

It's been like that for ages. I just think he hasn't updated it yet.

Keith EFC.

I posted this 3 days ago, but none of my posts was getting shown, they was other stuff but it was getting ignored

y0rksh1re_blue

I think it has changed. Because when he was on loan it had both everton and tottenham player

^^^True^^^

Its been like that for ages mate

Pienaars transfer will be confirmed next wednesday

19 Jul 2012 10:28:09
heard from a close friend that robert snodgrass is being linked to a move to goodison park, 5million the fee, good signing i think, wot do u reckon ED??? {Ed025's Note - decent player mate...but would only be a bit part player for us..

I live in Leeds and my mates who are Leeds fans rate him but say he lacks pace which is what we need in a winger really so I dont think Moyes would go for him and if he did well as Ed said,he would be a bit part player.
Joe EFC

Not sure ED i think he would have to work for his place, but could surprise a few pople

cropper

We cant afford him, especially if Pienaar comes aswell.

I live in leeds,snodgrass only one year left on his contract so would be less than 5 million.However it won't happen because we have no money ! would be good squad player though

He's me dads mate, he's going to norwich because hes good mates with howson ans bradley johnson

19 Jul 2012 14:39:24
according to nsno, we have agreed a deal for joseph yobo with fenerbahce.. hope its true..

CP

Hope so mate..
1878.

Good riddance
BlueClarkey {Ed025's Note - i agree clarkey..

19 Jul 2012 11:56:20
im 90% sure that the pienaar deal will be done within a fortnight from now... give it time... he will be an everton player this season, trust me... fake rumours saying other teams are interested.. yea they might be but pienaar made it clear where he wants to go...

michael owen close to signing for stoke, peter crouch coming this way.. could be an ideal buy..

CP {Ed001's Note - I fully agree, Villa made an enquiry regarding Pienaar and were told he was not interested in any other move than one to Everton.}

Can't see us going after crouch. It would be long ball all the time and we have to many good midfielders like Felani gibbo osman to play that sort of football

Tell you what CP, I would have Crouchie if the price was right

Degsybluenose

Just imagine Crouch in our team. Tactics would be Howard to Hibbert or Heitinga then Hoooooff to Crouch. Couldn't bear to watch that for a season

Why is everyone so keen on a player that s*** on us?
I would not pay £5million for a 29 yr old, instead the scouts and manager shoyuld get off their arses and find a younger faster, hungrier more ambitious player than the back tracking money grabber.

Are the Crouch rumours true Ed001? {Ed001's Note - I am not sure, the stories are all coming from Glasgow, hard to tell how reliable the sources are.}

What is holding it up then. Is it the fee or the players wages ? {Ed001's Note - fee, it is still between Everton and Spurs right now.}

So, where does the money for Pienaar come from?

90% isn't good enough this is Everton we Are on about about who always let you down

Been told the pienaar deal will b done e t week still talkin abit of ground 2 agreed on but nothing 2 b worried Bout remember pienaar has only been in country a few days n spurs busy with other deals modric pienaars wagers nt a concern from a good source n apparently nt far from another signing

Don't want crouch, need a quicker more skillful striker who is good on the ball to partener Jelavic.

Bobcat

I agree if 5 mills the fee!

19 Jul 2012 08:27:43
Discussions for Pienaar still at boardroom level according to the daily post, seems like "wage demands" stalling the deal are untrue.

EFCwhitesocks COYB

He apparently wants 50k a week. He should compramise and settle for 45k a week

I would give him 50k and get rid of Rodwell. That would free some wages up then

If it is still at board level as reported in the press then we have not agreed a fee etc. Not personal terms that is the issue.

WtG.

19 Jul 2012 07:47:17
Gents- this will crease you, whilst Moyes was in Scotland he met up with none other than Peter Crouch they were discussing personal terms as a fee has been agreed with both clubs.

This is why Stoke are in pole position for Michael Owen as Kenwyne Jones is also due to depart.

Told my Jock mate where to go when he told me this, but thinking about it with one touch Jelavic it might not be a bad move.

Also the reason why no money has been spent yet, its the old waiting for cheque to clear, Black Bill is waiting for the Sky money plus the sponsor monies to land until then he has enough money for just a loaf.

PeterB-ex Croxteth Park

Can't see Stoke letting Crouch go. Pulis like players over 6ft 5 for Delap to throw it to. Or Shawcross to lump it to.
They'd also want over £10 million for him.

Not a daft as it may seem. Crouch may take Fellainis high up the pitch role, allowing Felli back into a more central position-make sense

Please tell me there is no truth in this yard dog coming to us! I've never rated him even before he moved to that lot and that has not changed. There has got to be a reason why the lad has had so many clubs during his career, maybe because teams end up going route one despite the fact that,for his size,he is shocking in the air. This has got to be a wind up I reckon. Maybe it's the reds or a rumour started by disgruntled Gers fans! Either way,I hope DM and BK aren't really interested in him.
Spudv