Everton Rumours Archive September 10 2013

 

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10 Sep 2013 17:40:31
Hey Ed 25, reading Kens (the Manchester United fan) comments got me thinking about the fair play rules. Surely they are intended to make more of a level playing field and give lower clubs the chance to grow? From what I understand about them, there are two parts? ie

1. clubs need to only use football generated cash for the growth of the club?
2. money spent on the club can only be eg 105% X last years turnover?

My problems with these rules are basically a club like Manchester United turns over say 400 million so next season can turn over 400 X 105%. Whereas Everton say turnover 80 million so can only turnover 80 X 105%. Thus the gap widens. Added to which, how does a club like Real Madrid spend the money on Bale. The scale is staggering. Put me right if I have misunderstood, but the way I see it, these rules actually prohibit the chances of say a club like Notts Forest ever reaching the top again. No future billionares will buy into clubs like at City and Chelski, but their current owners can continue to flood their clubs with cash. Certainly we will have precious little chance to ever reach the top again.
Degsypulford {Ed025's Note - i understand you are right degs, fair play, does not seem to be very fair to me mate, and like this tory government, the rich will get richer, and the poor will be poorer.....aint lif a bitch!..

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Financial Fair play is not meant to make it a more level playing, it is meant to stop clubs from accumulating huge levels of debts and going bankrupt when they don't have the revenue to support it.
Interestingly some of the big clubs do seem to have to be cutting the squads to afford the big name signings (Madrid with Ozil) whilst others seem to just not care about it (City, PSG)
But I guess from Ed25's snide jab at the government that he enjoys unsustainable levels of debt that will eventually ruin football (ps I hate the government as much as the rest of you but not for the trimming of the debt)

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Degs I have been harping on about this since they were first announced. It is simply a rule made by the big boys to make them bigger. The "football" related turnover/revenue can be things like sponsorship agreements, hence the ridiculous amount City got for the Etihad stadium (which is essentially owned by the same people who own City) naming rights. Bottom line is without a new Stadium generating more revenue for us we will never really be able to compete even if we got taken over, unless we start bending rules, but watch how when we bed rules it will be stopped yet the others will get away with it

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Fair play?. not so much. the big clubs will always be able to buy big and will also have the financial muscle to suck up any financial penalties should they step outside the rules.

In terms of the government jibe from Ed. not sure where that comes from on an Everton Rumours site(!). but if we are going to touch on it. increased tax rates at the higher levels of earnings hardly couples with "the rich getting richer."

RB Blue

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11 Sep 2013 11:39:14
Don't want to get in a political debate but i'll think you will find that this government(spit) actually lowered the tax rate that labour implemented for higher earners. 3 nil weekend so that my post is about football haha. Rhino.

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The only way finacial fair play would work is if there was a sallary cap and we opted for a system similar to the Draft system used in the NFL/NBA. That just won't happen. Oh and to all the people slagging of the present government just remember when the last government was in power, I seem to recall that the rich got richer, the poor got poorer and the debt got bigger. They are as bad as each other Politicians don't care about normal people just what they can get out of being in power. 1-1 draw is my prediction for the Chelsea match

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The financial 'fair play' rules are just man utds phase 2 of them winning the league for next 100 years - first was champs league money stitch up and now there's this - and bollox to the competitiveness of the league - it's a 2 or 3 horse race for next 100 years - who the hell wanted that?

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10 Sep 2013 14:33:42
ed isn't it because kaka has go back to milan they say he's on about 200k a week so milan can't offord honda wages so they have pulled out so maybe its time for us to step up on this one an get him here good player {Ed025's Note - that has been mentioned mate, and he would be a superb addition..

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10 Sep 2013 18:25:24
wouldnt get him now ed, would be unfair to just take barkley out the team and have him on the bench for 3 years until honda begins to lose his ability {Ed025's Note - i think there is room for them both mate

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If you take Ossie out for him, then why not!

Barkley--Honda
Peanuts--McCarthy--Kev

Followed by the defence and strike of course, with the occasional switching of formation to accommodate Gibbo when fit. Simples. Squeak.

Keith EFC

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10 Sep 2013 23:06:19
Think people giving Ossie a hard time. From what I saw against Cardiff he seemed to be playing a withdrawn role everytime the ball went into their last third rather than run forward to get on to the end of a cross or arrive late he seemed to be pre-occupied with hold the shape and covering midfield. Reckon in Gibbo's abscence he has been asked to just make sure we have cover against the counter attack. Lay off Ossie he is own harsh critic so if he feels he isn't pulling it at the month he will step up. COYB.

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11 Sep 2013 00:49:00
where ed? don't know about you but i'd rather not sacrifice mirallas or gibson on a player if so good only us and ac were strongly linked with him {Ed025's Note - for me, he is a superb player, and you cant have too many of them mate..

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11 Sep 2013 12:32:03
what does honda do? been called japans ronaldo so I can only assume he is a winger with pace like walcott and tons of power very skillful great with both feet and can hit a rocket shot, if none ofthese things which he has none of them he is overrated as proven as only us and milan want him

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Ok, well let's stick with Naismith for back up shall we?
Since when has a squad been just 11 players? Adding good quality liken Honda would be a great move.

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11 Sep 2013 20:47:03
who said a team is about 11 players? would honda be happy as a 'back up' I doubt it {Ed025's Note - if he did sign, he would be the first name on the teamsheet..

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11 Sep 2013 21:40:41
and that would mean barkley, mccarthy or gibbo would have to sit on the bench and i'm not being funny but we have not only no chance of getting him but also if we were to get him it would only lead to one of our best players wanting out, overrated, there is a difference between one good game in confed cup and performing on a consistent basis

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Wow, Honda does perform on a persistant basis and I'm pretty sure he's had more than one good game in the confed cup. World Cup 2010 springs to mind, I wonder why? Oh that's right, he was one of the players of the tournament. Just cause he doesn't play well for you on your career mode on fifa, doesn't mean he's a bad player.

BitterBlue

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12 Sep 2013 14:30:42
*yawn* so because he doesn't rate him it means he is basing it off fifa? let people have an opinion instead of being aggressive

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Honda is the dog's bollox. A front 4 of Mirallas, Barkley, Honda and Lukaku would cause some serious mischief and mayhem.
Surely, if there's some cheddar left over, we have to do our utmost to tempt him to the old lady. He would walk into most premier league teams.
Granville.

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12 Sep 2013 23:17:04
a lot of players just from cska moscows team would walk into most premier league sides apart from the top 6 teams
would honda get ahead of silva, no
ahead of mata, no
ahead of ozil, no
ahead of dembele, no
ahead of coutinho, no
ahead of cleverley, yes anyone in the world would
ahead of rooney though, no
bench barkley for him and then watch barkley bog off to united? oh yes let's do that!

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Ahead of Mata?- yes, Shurlle and de Bruyne are ahead of Mata at the moment
Ahead of Ozil?- No, ahead of Rosicky, Ramsey et al, yes
Ahead of Dembele?- yes
Ahead of Coutinho?- possibly not, ahead of Aspas, Henderson- yes
It's all about opinions and Honda is better than the majority of players in the prem, IMO

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The above comparisons are irrelevant. The most pertinent question(s) are/is 'is he better than Pienaar', and would he improve our first XI?
For me the answer(s) is/are, quite clearly, YES.
Granville.

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13 Sep 2013 19:47:30
the way I see it he is better than pienaar but that means having pienaar a 70k per week player warming bench with deulofeu rotting in the reserves, would be a bad move for all involved

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13 Sep 2013 20:43:17
so honda is better than mata? and also better than oscar and hazard who you missed out on, wow that is rather stupid and ozil no but ahead of wilshere and cazorla? hell no {Ed025's Note - im not saying better, but certainly in that class..

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