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09 Nov 2017 21:58:26
If Unsey get's the job? Would he be able to attract a top centre forward, that we need urgently? Cannot understand why Sigurdson has not been played in his best position? Best way forward for the team in my opinion is to play 4_4_2.
09 Nov 2017 18:08:06
Hey Ed 025 I am for one pleased that our Club is taking its time in appointing a new manager, get it right now, and we can move on from this awful period under Koeman. at the end of the day whoever the board and Mr Moshiri pick there will be so many posters on here with different views, you know the old saying you can't please all of the people all of the time, have faith.
{Ed025's Note - i am too GB its a massive decision and not one that should be taken lightly, we are talking about the future of our club here and diving in head first is the last thing we should do, if it takes a bit of time then so be it mate..just lets get it right..
09 Nov 2017 18:22:00
Bang on Ed, when you read some of the ridiculous posts it just makes you think, you cannot rush this!
09 Nov 2017 18:45:38
I agree GB. It is surprising how things can change in one weekend. From doom and gloom we move out of the bottom 3 and 6-7 points from the next 9 and who knows where we will be. The board believed when they appointed RK it was for the best. Only hindsight can now say it was maybe wrong. However I am sure they will take that experience forward when appointing our next manager. Whoever it is for me must fit the ambition of the board and the fans, and that is forwards and upwards, and not downwards and backwards.
09 Nov 2017 18:58:54
Hi Nick yes mate totally agree and I was one of the posts in the beginning that really wanted Koeman, just shows how wrong one can be be mate cheers.
09 Nov 2017 20:42:55
Fully agree GB mate.
09 Nov 2017 20:51:13
just wondering if they are waiting for the world cup qualifiers to finish, an international manager maybe.
09 Nov 2017 20:52:05
Hi Grumpy mate have you got over the excitement of Sundays win, sounded like you needed an easy day after that mate.
09 Nov 2017 21:44:17
I was so happy GB mate that I went out into my man-cave and made something with my new scroll saw.
Oh happy days.
10 Nov 2017 06:52:09
Are we saying that Koeman's sacking was a spur of the moment decision and so the closing weeks of his time at the helm saw no contigency planning by the board? He was sacked and then they thought, "what now? ". Or was the sacking itself an action contigent on the team failing to meet benchmarks? If the latter then at least some preliminary work should have been done on a replacement even if only drawing up some type of profile. Are they making approaches to candidates now on the basis of, "We would like you to manage the club but only if David Unsworth turns out to be no good. Can you keep your phone switched on? " I'm sure Simeone et al are chafing at the bit for an offer like that.
10 Nov 2017 13:17:50
I am guessing Glenn but i think the top brass were hoping game to game for an upturn in form but it just got to a point where enough was enough and a quick decision was made. seems feasible considering we didn't have anyone lined up. They probably thought Unsworth could come in short term and turn the team around which hasn't quite happened yet.
10 Nov 2017 15:42:04
How did I manage to get a thumbs down for making something on my new scroll saw. Do people actually read posts before reacting or do they just see the author and automatically click.
Thats the problem of allowing idiots to participate, they never really know what it is they do or why they do it.
10 Nov 2017 16:28:46
theres nowt as queer as folk Grumpy mate.
10 Nov 2017 17:19:53
Koeman's demise ought not to have been an "enough is enough" deal. The exit light should have been flashing for at least the last 3 weeks of his reign and as soon as that was the case then spadework should have been the order of the day for the board. We cannot have an interim manager in the January window. There is an overwhelming case for a big spend on a centre forward. The kind of money required should not be entrusted to a caretaker and there is no way that I would want to see us settling for someone like Andy Carroll in the vain hope we might get as many as 10 games a season from him.
10 Nov 2017 18:31:06
Maybe Grumpy. The person has a phobia of scroll saws. Personally I like a good old jigsaw but nonetheless it wasn't me anyway.
10 Nov 2017 18:59:17
Maybe someone did not SCROLL down the messages and SAW it as a bad joke Grumpy :-)
10 Nov 2017 20:44:46
that's a saw point mate.
10 Nov 2017 21:57:20
Time for a grumpy groan I think.
09 Nov 2017 17:40:55
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Transfer Window Assessment Revisited
09 Nov 2017 13:59:01
why oh why do everton always take so long to do something. it can't be so they can get the best man, just look at the managers and players signed and missed. get your finger out and get on with it. another week of new training missed. i suppose the new stadium will be finalised in 2030.
09 Nov 2017 15:21:13
Feeling positive today Dazza?
09 Nov 2017 16:47:08
yes i am feeling negative, like most fans. i was negative with koeman appointment as well and got the negative (your not a true everton fan bullcrap) . if we want to move forward and on to the top 4/ 6 then we need a manager that can attract top players (simone, benitez, ancelotti) . allardyce, dyche just going back to the moyes days. not knocking moyes because he done a superb job with next to no money. NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM which we are not getting from the players.
09 Nov 2017 19:31:24
I take Dazzas view. We need to be careful but also need someone appointed so that he has time to at least get a few days training in prior to our next game. Good forward planning usually leads to a good outcome.
09 Nov 2017 23:17:41
Appointing a worse manager than might later be available, just so we can be well-prepared for the next game, is the total opposite of ”good forward planning”.
10 Nov 2017 06:54:49
completely taken out of context coyb.
10 Nov 2017 15:23:52
Sorry mate. I can see that might have come across as a bit snarky. I appreciate there's also a need to ensure that we don't sacrifice our reputation, such as it is, and certainly not our survival in the league, under the guise of long-term planning. I think we need to be realistic though. There isn't anyone available right now who could take us forward significantly. I think Dyche could do a job but most of our squad are almost the opposite of the sorry of players he likes to work with, so it is a risk. Waiting till the end of the season seems sensible if we're confident we can get someone special at that time.
09 Nov 2017 12:56:55
Not been on for a bit. Looking at the posts most seem to be between Big Sam and Unsy.
Anyone up for Bilic? I think he could do a job for us.
09 Nov 2017 13:37:43
I do too pal, he could sweep up outside the ground, would be minimum pay though.
10 Nov 2017 06:57:46
Smit666 yeah but I would take a younger Bilic alongside Mori. Granted we would spend a lot of games playing with 10 men but that Goodison roar would be back. Did you hear it on Sunday with Calvert llewin, Kenny, Davis on the pitch and Unsy on the sidelines.
09 Nov 2017 10:43:17
Much has been written about the need for a striker, the need for a new manager, the need for a new stadium to generate more income BUT as a ex senior manager who looked at " fire fighting " in organizations if I was to assess our club they would score very poorly .
The board are to blame at the end of the day for the position we find ourselves in .
You can sack the manager ( he did make some deadfall decisions ) but who employed him in the first place!
Who sold our biggest asset without a replacement.
Who viewed Kirby and Walton Hall Park as viable sites for a new ground .
Who turned away investors from Middle East .
These are some of the so called bigger issues but coupled to indecision, split in board views, looking at issues through blue tinted specs rather than as a business person, lack of planning ( sacking a manager with apparently no man to take over NOW!
would ensure that if they were a new venture setting out they would not get past the first base .
I really would love to be a fly on the wall at a Everton board meeting, but on reflection it would finnish me off because it would be a cross between a meeting of Capt Manwairing and corporal Jones (Dads Army) and Yes Prime minister .
So yes we need the new manager ( God knows when ) and a striker but it's THE BOARD were the root cause lies 100%.
09 Nov 2017 12:11:20
You all know my take on this. The obstacles are BK and his right hand man, and have been for years. Before you all have a go at me, I have supported this great Club since the age of 8 (1958) and know full well the value of Bill Kenwright in saving us from the xmas package industry. But the last few years Bill, god love him has worn his heart on his sleeve and taken eye off the ball, he needs to let go off his baby and/ or take an honoury role. As for the other guy, it appears that it is all fluff and air. Like Trebor I have experience.
{Ed025's Note - i honestly dont know what you expect of the board dunc?, they have appointed 2 well regarded managers who although it never worked out for us were choices the supporters wanted, they have also especially this season ploughed in a lot of money into the club not only on players but wage increases and agents fees etc, i know you will say a lot was recouped on the lukaku sale but there was more money there if the manager wanted it, another gripe is that we let rom go without a suitable replacement and thats true, but you cant keep a player who does not want to be at the club and would you want to anyway?, im quite happy that our chairman is a supporter and wears his heart on his sleeve myself mate and moshiri is still growing into his role and doing fine by me, people are looking for excuses as to why we are performing so poorly and i get that, i think the players themselves are the ones who need to look in the mirror imo..
09 Nov 2017 12:59:53
Agree 100% mate, the Middle East was a good offer for us but they would not let BK stay, (if you sell something you still carn't play with it) Bill&Co have to GO.
09 Nov 2017 13:17:51
(wears his heart on his sleeve) we all do mate but we spend money on our club not make it? as I have said lots of times here, you see actor Bill? when you go into Bills office its all pictures about his plays/ acting but no football, if you new him, his plays/ acting is his first love, and money, lol.
09 Nov 2017 12:57:59
Great post that ed. Agree 100%.
09 Nov 2017 13:21:36
i'm inclined to agree with you ed, but it was stupidity to let rom go without a replacement. as i've said already the giroud saga means damn all, as my dad use to say it's a bad mouse that depends on the one hole. look at the saga going on now with the manager situation.
big sam one minute, then simeone, rhino, dyche, silva, uncle tom cobley. newspapers, sorry ed, rags, having a field day. so called pundits having a good laugh at our expence over simeone.
what makes it worse is the expectations we all had at the start of the season and to see where we are now. so i see where trebor and bigdunc are coming from, it's not all down to the manager and players. the buck must stop at the top.
{Ed025's Note - i can see that leinster but im happy about them considering all options if it means getting the right man, the press is the press and as we know they will make up stories to sell papers and the truth has very little to do with it mate..
09 Nov 2017 15:20:47
I have for once to disagree with you ed 025
Many fans like myself did not want Koeman because doing my homework he does not have a good record .
I think too much was more about him as a player .
Nobody can argue that getting rid of Lukaku as we did was nothing short of total incompetence.
Liverpool refuses to let Coutinho go and Arsenal Sanchez and they had far better attacker’s than us .
I agree they needed to remove Koeman and some of his antics like the way he treated Naisse should have been dealt with sooner .
The problem is they do not seem to have a replacement.
West Ham sacked their manager and replaced him immediately, and no I did not want Moyes .
It’s personal opinion in the end Ed 025 but I really was surprised at you defending the board given the mistakes they have made .
There has to be a root mayjor problem at Everton .
Not winning a trophy since 1995 says it all .
I not saying Kenwright to blame or Elstone to blame but collectively they have to accept responsibility.
{Ed025's Note - if we all agreed on everything trebor it would be a boring old world my friend, the facts with lukaku is that he wanted out and had an agreement that he would give us one more season (16/17) then would be allowed to go, we received top dollar and we got rid of a player who did not want to play for us so it made good sense, both coutinho and sanchez will be off as well as its a fact of life in the game today mate, dont get me wrong mistakes have been made but i just dont think that it should all be laid at the chairmans door even though they say the buck stops at the top, we need to regroup as a club and move forward together and stop playing the blame game imo, though i think there is nothing wrong with discussing it on forums such as this and having different views is healthy..
09 Nov 2017 15:43:56
Certain amount of irony here, BK should go because he wears blue tinted glasses, yet 99% of all the posts on here are biased towards Everton due to us ALL wearing the same glasses as BK. pot, kettle and all that stuff.
Leinster my dad used to say a mouse can only go through one hole at a time regardless of how many he has.
09 Nov 2017 16:21:54
know what you're saying grumpy but still handy to have more than one
going for giroud and not having a plan b was madness, a bit matinezesque if you like.
09 Nov 2017 18:47:31
Some poster just love to tell people how much they are right but fail to mention how bloody wrong they sometimes too.
I put myself in the good supporter category. I didn't watch Robbie but when we took him on I backed him every step of the way. When he was sacked I wanted him gone but I respected what he tried to do.
The same goes for Koeman. He was brilliant last season and at home from January it was the best I'd seen us play at home since the mid 80s. We had scored more goals than anyone else at home with the exception of Barca. This season he lost the players and maybe bought into his own ego too much. Again I'm sad to see him go because he showed what he could do.
The Chairman has been amazing for us and is the reason we still have a club to support. Additionally, he got us the right investment and things still look good. The only thing wrong this season is the results and performances on the pitch.
If anyone does their homework they would understand that football and business if a fragile game and Bill hasn't been at the club for 6 months done a patch up job and buggered off. He has been there to oversea a turnover increase of £30mil a year to one reaching £200mil a year and been a mainstay in one of the most demanding and challenging environments you could run a business in.
Anyone worth their salt in business would understand that the job he has done is quite remarkable.
As for bad decisions every company makes them all the time. Bill and the board though at least haven't made catastrophic ones that would require a 'fire fighter'.
We are getting a new manager. Now is time for calm, reflection and patience. Not hysteria and finger pointing. That's the sound of a bad business man who is out of his depth.
09 Nov 2017 20:47:20
Good post BJU 100 % agree mate.
10 Nov 2017 11:27:15
Good post BlueJohnUns.
10 Nov 2017 14:44:04
Obviously I disagree Blue John Uns but as Ed 025 said be boring if we all said same .
All I would say is we do dither and while many would say best not to rush re manager and I accept that but do you not think it would be a good idea to have some stability by issuing a statement saying “ we have every confidence in DU and he is going to be in charge . ( nobody needs to know the type or length of his contact )
By carrying on in limbo is not good for him, players or fans
We have a exceptionally important game against Palace and be good to have the matter resolved
What you think Blue Johnuns?
09 Nov 2017 09:08:06
I think if we pick Unsworth as manager, we will be going back 5 yrs . take the blue tinted glasses off, for a moment. He has no experience, he looks way out of his depth, and we got a very lucky win against Watford. If anybody reading this invested all their money in a club would u want a total novice in charge of it, or an experienced manager such as Big Sam who guarantees results. Because if Unsworth gets the job he will be gone by Xmas, then the board will be begging Big Sam as our situation will be a lot worse.
09 Nov 2017 09:25:12
wasn't a bad read until you mentioned big Sam who in my view if he gets the job it's dragging our club back to the stoneage yes unsworth has no exoeriance at the top level but he knows how much it means to play for our great club and you can't judge him on his 4 games in charge 3 of them away and against top teams and against Watford can you please explain to me how it was lucky at 2 nil down the players heads could of dropped and just give in but they never they dug in and got a fantastic result now I don't know if unsworth is the answer but I know Sam isn't.
09 Nov 2017 09:30:27
I completely agree with you Rich, passion yes, experience and knowledge, not so much. It was a lucky win against Watford, however sometimes that's what it takes to kick start a belief that games can be won if you go behind. Over the past few months we have gone behind and just caved. If we can get to the transfer window in mid table we have a chance of stabilising if we can get a decent forward in. Even a 10 goal a season guy will do for now as it's better than what we have. The summer is the best time to look for a new manager, just hope we can last out that long. I will continue to support David and his passion, I just hope the players do also.
09 Nov 2017 09:47:52
I think if Big Sam could guarantee results he would be managing the top club in Europe every year. No one can guarantee results. How is a ten goal a season guy better than what we already have? I'll wager both DCL and Naisse get more than 10 goals this season and possibly Rooney. Keeping clean sheets is our problem not scoring and it has been since the start of the season. That's just my opinion though.
09 Nov 2017 09:49:41
Still think it was a little lucky BLUEY79, however you make your own luck and we did that by digging in. With the top teams this season flying, it is likely that 32 points will give premiership survival. Not saying we should be settling for that, however with 4 winnable games coming up before Christmas, we could find ourselves in a reasonably comfortable position. I think that with a more relaxed mind-set, we do have the quality in the team to move forward. We just need our manager to understand that we need pace out wide and able runners up top, and as big Sam says, "make your first pass a forward pass" too much keeping the ball by knocking it around allowing teams time to get a bank of 4 back to snuff out any attack. Fingers crossed for the remainder of 2017.
09 Nov 2017 10:23:51
How was it lucky. We haven't won a game from being 2-0 down in years.
Please explain why it was lucky. As mentioned. Heads could of dropped. They didn't and the team fought hard. I don't get how it was lucky.
09 Nov 2017 11:22:32
I'm with you Mowfee I'm baffled how people can say it was lucky it was hard work from the players and to say it was lucky is disrespectful.