Everton Banter Archive July 09 2018

 

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09 Jul 2018 22:22:39
Guys, when we look at what we have already have at the club it’s not that bad, there is a lot of players over looked and youth players needing to move up or move on, some of the younger players we are shouting to keep so there fore don’t that mean that these should be used off the bench? As I see it if we trim down as is needed where do we really need to strengthen?
We all know defence is a must but out side of a gk, cb and lb needed we have

Pickford and stek (need another to push Pickford but be better then Han stek)

RB - Coleman and Kenny (Holgate back up)
CB - Holgate and Keane, Jags but should really be a back up back to the back up haha (need more in this position)
LB - Baines (need another to push and take over this season)
MF - Snids (if he buys in and shows past form, if not sell and replace) Gana, Davies, Siggy, McArthy (still to come back) and then the people we expect to step up Dowell, Baningime,

Forward line - Walcott, Vlasic, Lookman, Tosun, Sandro (we all hope he got more) and DCL

That’s quite a big squad still without any additions and I’m sure the most of us see all these as being part of the team. We must remember we have only domestic cups etc to worry about and we still have to keep everyone happy, any one add to that or change much?

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09 Jul 2018 22:59:03
It is a big squad but I do think we need more if we’re going to improve on last season and close the gap. We do have some decent youngsters but it’s unrealistic to expect them to perform to a high level every week. We need two or three proven, quality players. And we need to get rid of or loan a few more out. Williams, Martina and Mirallas at the very least.

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10 Jul 2018 07:27:04
I'm trying my best to be patient and leave it with Silva and Brands to get it right. They've got a big job on their hands and they will need time to sort it all out.

That said, the sooner they bring some in that they truly want and we see some new faces the happier I will be. We seem to be linked with everyone (even Liverpool goalkeepers - nah only joking) but with no substance behind any of the rumours. Let's get some in and start integrating them into the team as we need team members not additions to the squad.

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10 Jul 2018 08:25:09
So Be Styrne, we only need to trim the squad, get a better back up keeper for Pickford, need more center backs (how many do you suggest? 2 should do it? ) , another left back as cover for Baines, monitor Shneids and replace if not up to it. That all sounds very simple and I get what you are saying. But that also does not deal with the defficiencies of lack of left sided players nor the age of Baines and Jags. Jags will be 36 this season. He was never the quickest player anyway. Yet he ended up being our 1st choice center back before the kids. I do get what you are saying in that within the squad there are some very good players. I get that. But the squad overall is very unbalanced. Look at what happened when Coleman, Baines and Jags got injured last season. Also look at Baines how he hardly ever gets down the line now to whip in a cross. I do get what you are saying about having some very good players, but no left sided midfielder? Ageing defence in 2 key positions. make that 3 with Williams! Yes we have good players, but too many in certain positions and none to top premiership standard in others. And just far too many high earners who were given contracts when really they should have been either moved on and replaced or at least now be the back up players you are talking about. I can confidently predict that if we start with Jags and Baines as 1st team regulars, they will start to pick up niggling injuries and then miss games. That's what happens to 30 odd year olds unless they are very very lucky. So in my opinion we need immediate replacements for them. Especially as Williams (Jags back up? ) is also past it. I accept that Kenny might be ready for back up to Coleman (may be) or even Holgate? But no left midfielder too? The summary of what I am saying is that even if I use your list of players needed, we need about 5 players. that's half the outfield team.

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10 Jul 2018 08:25:10
Thing is Williams, Martina and Mirallas (still think he has something to offer by the way) , are all probably on good wages that apart from Mirallas they would not get anywhere else and even then if anyone wanted them (Williams and Martina) , a quandry of our own making I fear.

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10 Jul 2018 08:53:48
Even if we pay some of their wages, we’d still recoup a fee and reduce our wage bill significantly which would allow us to move for for other players. If the three players are unlikely to play and earn 200k between them, we may as well pay half and have 100k wages for one top player who will play.

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10 Jul 2018 11:13:48
That’s why I left them out blue, I only included who I would keep. The youngsters would be more from the bench than starting, there are also players that where hardly used so would be more like new signings. Where, except defence which I did highlight would you add without pushing others noses out and causing a rift like the Lookman one we find ourselves in now?

When you look at our midfield there you have to remember they will be fighting for 3 starting places as will the forwards.

I left out I would like another that could play right across the forward line, a fast forward/ winger.

So keeping all the above, let’s say we add, GK, CB, LB, F/ W and maybe a MF that’s a squad of 25/ 26 if we dump the rest, would we be happy with that?

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10 Jul 2018 11:21:51
Wow degsy, you really got it in for jags and Baines. I did point out they needed replacing, and what I’m asking is there anyone in the list people don’t want to see or want out. We all know realistically we will be lucky to see 4 new additions with squad trimming. you point out the obvious on the lack of balance, even the management have pointed that out. I’m looking at what we have now and that list of people I’m happy to keep and see what they have got this season, that gives us 21 players that I’m happy to keep, with brands talking about a squad of 25 that gives us 4 or 5 places available if we manage to trim the squad. It’s obvious if we don’t move on in some positions then it’s likely we won’t recruit in them same places, let’s hope we can put on a player sale to the 3 clubs promoted.

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10 Jul 2018 11:59:51
BeStyrne I'm totally with you. We had enough personal and quality last season for 8th and 7th the season before.

We need to trim the squad and bring a couple in but it's not the panic stations some are saying.

The most important part of this summer is to properly assess who fits into the new way of playing and the ones who don't. Only then can you truly start building a team to compete.

What you don't do is just buy players because they are over 30. They still have a role to play and age never determines who gets injured. Yanick, Mori, Coleman and McCarthy have all had worse injuries than Baines, Williams and Jags so there is no God rule to say age is the cause.

Lucky we seem to have people in charge now that have a clear plan to improve the squad and have not jumped in with both feet. The speculation on players is just that at the moment.

As for left sided midfielders at the moment we have Lookman, Vlasic, Yanick, Walcott and Mirallas who can all play there.

In every area we have enough players. I agree we could do with a couple of players in areas but only when we reduce the current people in those areas.

Let's all have a bit of patience and see what happens.

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10 Jul 2018 21:23:06
Degsy I thumbed you as promised - any chance you could reduce the word count on your posts. I didn’t even read it as only had 20 minute break.

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09 Jul 2018 19:45:48
Pickford

Coleman Keane nzonzi Tierney

Walcott Cana sig lookman


Tosun calvin

Does any one agree.

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{Ed025's Note - i would bite your arm off for that mate..

09 Jul 2018 20:09:20
Would nzonzi not be midfield? Don't think I've ever seen him centre half. Not sure if Silva plays a diamond with gana holding and siggy at 10 and also think dcl needs more time before starting role every game.
Tierney not coming apparently.

We need to get rid of some dead wood. Williams, schneiderlin, etc but we do need some quality reinforcements by the time window shuts on 9th August.

Hold on for the bumpiest of rides.

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09 Jul 2018 20:36:20
He is a midfielder GeoffJohno but he is also a better CB than Ashley Williams, so yeah, stick him in there.

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09 Jul 2018 21:03:02
Pickford

Coleman Keane Mina Tierney

Gana N’Zonzi

Sigurdson
Walcott Lookman

Tosun

Subs
Holgate
Baines
Kenny
Davies
Schneiderlin
Banigime
Dowell
Vlasic
Calvert-Lewin.

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09 Jul 2018 21:47:56
My nan is a better cb than Williams and she been dead 10 years mate hahaha.

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09 Jul 2018 22:02:14
How about we buy the right player for the right positions?
Surely we have to grasp the basics here after partners 3 number 10s rocked up and caused all sorts of issues.

I literally despair at some people's ideas.

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09 Jul 2018 22:32:08
I would take Fellaini back without a doubt,

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10 Jul 2018 08:26:59
My thought to bignev but hasn't he just signed a new Utd contract.

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09 Jul 2018 18:57:54
Silva an brands go all out for Tierney from Celtic class lb nzonzi would be good that would be mf sorted an dare I say like I've been saying it for the last 3 season a couple of quality strikers plz.

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09 Jul 2018 22:03:25
Half right.
1 striker but equally a decent CB too.

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09 Jul 2018 18:25:01
I see the hammers buying at a rapid pass an guess who isn't really hope were not going 2 be turn down by players and stick with what we have now it will our last season in pl come Silva an co do it the right way give us what we want an put the blues back in the big time mid table is not the goodison way
Coybs.

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{Ed025's Note - im sure things will start moving in the next couple of weeks Tbone..

09 Jul 2018 18:33:39
Hope so ed cheers pal.

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09 Jul 2018 20:22:34
Well we bought at a rapid pace last summer and it did bugger all for us.

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{Ed025's Note - very true smit..

09 Jul 2018 21:31:40
As the Eds say, things will start moving. I predict (ed) things would begin to move wef 16th. A month till season start, I refuse to believe that we will be panic buying and rather that positive moves are already in place.

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{Ed025's Note - i believe the same mate..

09 Jul 2018 21:33:28
Patience is the key word this Summer. I have no doubt things will be getting addressed behind the scenes and we will see one or two new faces before long. The mess left by RK and Co isn't something that can be fixed overnight.

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{Ed025's Note - your right BigH..

09 Jul 2018 15:04:48
Really hope someone at Everton has there head screwed and gets an arm around Lookman and tells him everything he needs to here!

If we sell him for 20mil you can be certain he will end up costing someone 60 - 70mil in a couple of years,

yes he is raw but what a player he could be!

Got a lot to answer for the people who have done this to Everton over the last 4 years!

We should be all looking forward to the first game! Me personally just hope Brands is as good as his CV and can turn this around

Brands / Silva we need some good news please?

Ed25 are you hearing anything on the Grape vine good or bad?

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09 Jul 2018 16:01:03
Any one looking forward to see players that we have not seen enough of to judge players like Sandro and Klasson there are players in them that's for sure one was Spanish u21 who was on fringes of first team and the other was Ajax captain.

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09 Jul 2018 16:50:51
I'd rather accept 5he opinion of 3 coaches over someone on here. Sorry not good enough.

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09 Jul 2018 18:56:01
Id rather accept the opinion of our current coach. that's the only opinion that matters.

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09 Jul 2018 15:56:43
I think we will make a massive mistake letting lookman go not just because he is talented but financially we would be ripped of at 20m.

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09 Jul 2018 15:41:43
This is a complete guess, and purely my own opinion so please take it with a pinch of salt.

I think we didn't bid for Celtics Tierney and that was likely paper rubbish.

I say this because the whole of the EPL knows what a talent he is and is expected to become even better, possibly teams abroad too. Now if we had put the bid in and discussions were looking promising, as reported in the papers, then surely we would have seen news about a few other teams joining the race for him, entering discussions etc. If this happened then I would have much more faith that it was true, but seeing as it was just us without competition I find it highly sceptical.

Pure conjecture on my part but hopefully showing a little logic.

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09 Jul 2018 18:33:01
Tierney would always be a late in the window buy. No time for a bidding war. Under the radar so to speak.

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09 Jul 2018 21:42:49
Late buy would give us a better chance, if other teams that would be interested already made their moves for other players then it can only help. As for under the radar, I don't think that would be possible. If his agent feels a move is likely, he will do all he can to get other teams involved in the bidding. Makes sense to get the biggest clubs and deal for his client. News would inevitably leak to the media. Fingers crossed Brandt can sell our vision and make us the most enticing.

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09 Jul 2018 21:53:39
I think Tierney and especially his agents have his best interest as a priority and that being the reason he hasn't sailed off into the sunset for a bigger payday, which undoubtedly he could have done.

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09 Jul 2018 15:36:55
Normally I am very patient but now 4 weeks until deadline and no one in, no one close to being in and a lot of dead wood not sold. Should I be panicking?

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09 Jul 2018 20:23:57
How do you know we aren't close Cookie? The everton way is always the quiet way.

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09 Jul 2018 12:40:24
Is it just me or is anyone else getting tired of all these transfer rumours. I used to enjoy reading it the reports. Now for some reason they are starting to get on my wick.

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09 Jul 2018 13:51:10
Me too Mowfee. It just seems to be all this “looking at” stuff with nothing actually looking realistic. Bored with it all now.

Looking forward to the pre season matches now, just to see how the manager shapes the team.

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09 Jul 2018 14:56:55
Bored with being linked with bloody West Ham. At least link us with Barcelona, Real Madrid or PSG. 😃.

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09 Jul 2018 15:54:30
Have not been on here much since season finished because it would be like that, nothing was going to happen until World Cup had finished, I’m expecting more deals to start happening now with less teams involved.

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Review Of The Day 9th July 2018

09 Jul 2018 06:22:59
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 9th July 2018

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09 Jul 2018 02:12:09
Lookman is under contract for 3/ 4 years, if he had turned out to be a lemon, he would still have expected the club to honour his contract, and continue to pay him.
So why does he seem to expect to walk away, givern his loan went well. Compeat for a first team place, or rot in the reserves for the next 4 years, that should be the choice he's givern.

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09 Jul 2018 08:11:53
And kiss goodbye to the prospect of signing anyone young and half decent with a reputation of treating players under contract so petulantly.

It’s counter productive to act that way (although I fully understand the frustration) . If it’s not working out, find a way that suit both party’s and move on.

If he’s right for the club the new management team will find a way to keep him for sure.

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09 Jul 2018 09:07:15
I'm just delighted the young lad wants to play. A lot more than could be said for certain players last season at the club.

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09 Jul 2018 10:57:25
Don't naively put words into his mouth.
He's at pre season. I think if he's smart he'll know the project and know that he will have a fair chance.
Sure a proper finished LW is needed. Bolasie must be shot if not sold.
And besides, Lookman can play across the front so he will be a very worthy game changer.

With all the nonsense written these days by bloggers, I'd honestly ignore making silly comments in future. You know nothing, nada sweet FA. So don't fall for it. When it's announced, we will know. No iron mike said this, I think that blah blah blah. You don't have a clue.

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09 Jul 2018 12:08:53
WOOD1425 I think you need to take what the media are saying about Lookman with a pinch of salt. As mentioned he has returned to pre-season and I expect he will be happy if the management consider him worthy of a place in the team. If not like most he will consider his options. Whether he is under contract is pretty irrelevant as it would make more sense to sell him if he is not required as we would get a substantial return on our investment.

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