Everton Banter Archive January 08 2017

 

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08 Jan 2017 22:27:26
Hey

. a majority shareholderthat genuinely has ambition and puts his money where his mouth is. ie 80 million via a non interest bearing loan over a non determinate period. attracting sponsorship investment the likes we could never have previously dreamt about. realistically coming close to a dream waterfront location. having a manager who rebuilt 2 Southampton sides after they were decimated each season. a manager who tells it how it is rather than the fluffy one liners wd had to endure for the last 3 years. a manager who has us in 7th place with limited time to achieve this. Mr Walsh who has unearthered some absolute gems out of nowhere. Unsy playing a blinder at U23 level and feeding the likes of Davies n C Lewin into the first team squad.! . yet despite all this there remains those who prefer to wallow in misery. and you call yourself blues? . of course its going to take time and have its ups n downs but seriously, its about the big picture. COYB

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08 Jan 2017 22:54:53
Agree with all your points, the worrying thing for me is Ronald looks absolutely p----ed off and ok let's all be positive, hope RK reads your comments and becomes suddenly more positive

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09 Jan 2017 08:09:40
It is the impatience of the young we want it now generation. I/ we were like that at one time (some of us at times still are) . However, RK could not have been clearer and that was only 6 months ago, 'It will take 2 years' he said then and the way he has acted and what he has done since is in my opinion ahead of that schedule. Next season I predict top 5.

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08 Jan 2017 20:35:49
I hope Ronald and his brother aren't taking a swipe at Steve Walsh and if the are, the chairman needs to sort out the problem fast, we have enough to deal with already . Koeman is the man for me however he has run a snowball down hill and its turning into an avalanche .

Perhaps if I was the boss I would think I would know who I wanted and not have to go through a middle man to get to them .

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08 Jan 2017 21:40:25
You got all that from RK's comments, amazing.

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08 Jan 2017 22:18:24
the point is, meverton if there is a problem between them it needs sorting out . amazing perhaps . but true

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08 Jan 2017 22:35:17
Who said there was a problem between them? RK has only come out and said what a lot are thinking, doesn't mean there is something not right behind the scenes. We are 8 days into the window, it's not like we are used to getting things sorted before deadline day! I'm confident things will progress nicely this week

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08 Jan 2017 19:12:45
After the dismal display in the FA Cup Ed, and RKs rant, can we expect out happening soon, i so hope so

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08 Jan 2017 17:10:37
There's been a lot of knee jerk reaction to yesterday's result and as bad as it was going out first round can RK really take the blame after 5 months in charge he needs at least 2 windows and a clear out before he's fully responsible for results and our style of play but on the other side of the coin we've been down and kicked so much last 25 years it's so easy to revert to what we know doom and gloom fingers crossed a few good seasons will change the mindset of our unhappiest supporters keep the chins up lads COYB

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08 Jan 2017 20:12:55
Agree Blues and twos. Its a rollercoaster ride so far.

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08 Jan 2017 17:06:09
Schneiderlin, depay, and maybe two interesting bargain buys delph and bojan

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08 Jan 2017 19:04:35
I like Delph, if we are looking for a no nonsense hard working midfielder with the odd Goal in him he's the man, plus we need depth in the squad and with sniderline good midfield with gueye at the African nations, very good indeed

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08 Jan 2017 19:17:41
What would Delph add? Bojan I totally would agree is worth a cheeky bid.

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08 Jan 2017 22:31:59
Delph is better than Barclay and might give him a wake up call

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08 Jan 2017 16:36:18
any talk of a new GK coming in? it's where we are weakest and where I would hope any manager worth his salt would address aspa

Schmeichel would be ideal for me, can see him moving and a bid of 15-20 mil

same with Gylfi Sigurosson we need to sign him soon

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08 Jan 2017 18:19:16
I'd go for Bernd Leno if he was available. Very highly rated keeper

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08 Jan 2017 20:37:51
I'm with you on Schmeichel Backofthenet, and Hart as well, If I was pressed it would be Hart but only because his name is easier to spell

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09 Jan 2017 08:39:01
get joe hart now give him top spot for next five years

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{Ed002's Note - He is not available - he is on a season long loan.}

08 Jan 2017 15:23:37
Hi Ed I notice today that there is a lot of Hogwash being put on here by some posters about our manager, if I can put my pennyworth in I would say R K needs our FULL support, he is no doubt going to take Everton to where we belong, its the team that needs attention and R K is definitely the man to do it, i have been a Blues supporter for 60yrs and believe me there have had some very poor managers in the past, if some of these posters had been around then they would know what a load of tripe is being written by some of them, on a lighter note Ed if Mr Usamanov has put all of this money into Finch Farm etc, what sort of price would you say he would pay for the naming rights of our proposed new stadium, i can only guess but it must a mind boggling amount of investment for us, anyway rant over I will always follow my Beloved Everton whatever through thick and thin I am a Blue cheers Ed, GuernseyBlue

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08 Jan 2017 16:49:20
Martinez, had a good first year, it only became clear just how incompetant he was, in years 2 and 3. Koeman has had to deal with the mess martinez left behind, rather than benifiting from the foundation left to Martinez. Not a big fan of Moyes, but he left a side fit and able to defend, so please, let's give Koeman the time to deliver, and please, let's keep Bill away from player recruitment.

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08 Jan 2017 17:02:01
Spot on jcw, and everything what you said needs to be realised by some of our so called supporters.

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08 Jan 2017 17:22:49
Goo shout JCW, we will get there mate, GuernseyBlue

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08 Jan 2017 17:49:45
How many of those moaning fans would accept a good cup run to the semis and maybe a league finish of around 11th?

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08 Jan 2017 18:50:03
Good post. Time is what is needed. hopefully we are building an empire not an ikea flatpack. The red side must be laughing at us when they should be jelous of a possible new stadium not the barn conversion they are getting. both sides are building with top managers.

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08 Jan 2017 19:09:34
I do find there is a lot of moaning on the Everton media sites, I deleted one just because everyone was so negative, it's nice to see so many good and factual post on here, Rome wasn't built in a day, we have the pieces there just need putting in the right places, and obviously the odd new player, but things are going in the right direction,

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08 Jan 2017 14:58:29
Everton Fans for the first time in years we now have a top Manager that could be Managing any of the top Clubs in Europe, please do not blame the Manger and his back room staff for the current situation at Everton, I my opinion, , over achieving with the current squad of players. as most of them are well past there best and some just good enough for the premier league.

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08 Jan 2017 13:09:04
I personally do not think RK is the right person for the club as he is a modern day mercenary just like Pep and Jose are. these types of managers go to clubs when they are promised a shed load of cash to spend on players. they are not true managers.

RK only came to EFC as he was promised money from the new shareholder but it now seems that there is money there but not what RK was thinking hence the reason for dragging over heels on certain players - some people are say just spend the extra 2 mill etc and get the player in etc but these extra 2 mill soon add up over a few transfers and EFC are just not at the stage of throwing money away.

For this reason that is why I like Moyes. worked with what he had and did a great job - Koeman on the other hand does not seem prepared to work with what is availabale and starts moaning and hinting at he requires new players all the time - just a personal obseravation.

As a EFC supporter of more than 44 years I want success but I do not see it with RK unfortunately

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08 Jan 2017 13:52:27
Give him a chance for gods sake, he's come in to a totally disgruntled football club in every capacity and you expect over night success, give your head a wobble.

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08 Jan 2017 14:01:25
If he isn't happy with the squad he inherited then keeping quiet isn't going to help him. He needs to speak out to push for change. He said it would take 2 years, so judge him in 2 years rather than just shortly after 4 months.

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08 Jan 2017 14:06:11
It's a bit early to judge RK, especially since the squad he inherited hasn't been overhauled too much. It's also a bit daft to label him a mercenary just yet, we did, after all, court him despite his club saying he was unavailable. RK was happy to stay at the saints but we, as a club, persevered and pulled out all the stops to get him. The board had to make him an offer he couldn't refuse and promise him the funds to pay for the massive rebuilding job he faced by taking over the reigns.
DM did a good job in a financially restricted period. But we are in a different era now with a total different set up. When RK joined he said it would take a few windows to get the players in that he believes can have the club competing for the top 4 and trophies. We are in the second window of a two year project so there is no need for knee jerk reactions. Nothing has changed in the months that he has been with us.
Only time will tell if RK is the right man for the job but, as fans, we have to believe he will get it right and we must get behind whoever dons the shirt on match day. This year was always going to have its ups and downs as he finds the right formation and gets the right additions to bolster and improve the squad. Some on here don't like the word but we are in transition and patience from us fans is needed. There is a lot to look forward to, the club is moving in the right direction so we shouldn't moan and groan too much. I will, however, agree with the doom mongers if we are in the same position this time next year but I truly believe that the club will continue to improve both on and off the pitch

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08 Jan 2017 14:26:24
Unfortunately intel, that is football in the modern era. There is too much money at stake and nepotism is rife. I think the likely hood of an up and coming manager being given the opportunity to manage a top tier club has passed. I liked DM and like RK's honesty and think he may actually be good for the club time will tell on that though.

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08 Jan 2017 14:33:11
INTEL that post it just a joke how can u say that the manger is clearly sayin thw club needs player which we all cam see tje squad ia terrible an your more worried the manger is not the ryr man after a few months in the job what a joke

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{Ed025's Note - for me the manager is the least of our problems callum..

08 Jan 2017 14:56:14
We new the last window we where short 24th hour valncia deal was desperation. The manager requires support.

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08 Jan 2017 18:02:33
Just don't understand how people can blame koeman teally tho is expectations are high with the player we are linked with i just think its hard to blame him personally i think he is the right man for the job an we need to get behind him

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{Ed025's Note - im the same callum mate, sometimes the manager is not the fault but the mentality of the players, i believe that this is exactly what is happening at west ham..

08 Jan 2017 22:20:36
100% agree with you ED. If they had the same attitude as the manager they would be in that top 4. They have talent but lack the ambition.

What I've heard from the players since Koeman started:

Standards slipped with the previous manager with people turning up late for training.

Training is now longer with the new manager.

Training is more intense

The manager told me to lose weight.

The manager wants us to train together and less segregated.

The manager wants us to work harder.

The manager wants us to make less mistakes and become more accurate with the ball.

The manager wants everyone to take responsibility on the pitch.

The manager wants us to defend in all areas of the pitch.

Everytime it's from the manager. How many follow these simple instructions on the pitch. How many for 3 years became lazy and cared less and less.

It's not this manager letting us down it's the players that have been getting away with poor standards on and off the pitch. This manager won't stand for it the same as us fans.

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09 Jan 2017 00:20:56
You have hit the nail right on the head there BlueJohnUns

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08 Jan 2017 08:58:30
Paul Bradley
161 Posted 08/ 01/ 2017 at 08:26:46
Flag this comment. Well said Ronald Koeman, for the first time we have a manager that speaks the truth, he is saying basically what we have been saying for the last two seasons, the squad is not good enough, the same squad of players that got Martinez the sack.
Koeman has been sold a dream to come to Everton to prize him away from Southampton. Now the owners are responsible.
When to look at the our squad of players with exception of the youngsters and Lukaku which players would play for any of the top 10 teams some would struggle to play again in the Premier league again.
As Evertonians we have to realise what we have, a mediocre squad of players.
Please do not turn on Koeman or he will off to a much better team, as he is not the type to suffer fools gladly.
In my Opinion the only real class act we have is Ronald Koeman

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{Ed025's Note - good post that mate..

08 Jan 2017 09:48:28
I completely agree, all these mugs calling for his head just ask themselves who is available to replace koeman?
The board need to fulfill any promises made about transfers and move heaven and earth to give koeman what he needs.

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{Ed025's Note - your right pauly..

08 Jan 2017 10:32:53
Koeman will make us great again. The rest of the club needs to get its act together NOW.

I'm so frustrated today not because of the loss but more the fact the manager is trying to accelerate progress but the rest of the club from players to board are in a lower gear.

The players there now have no ambition and need rid of. We want ambitious players with fire in their belly. Just like the manager.

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08 Jan 2017 11:21:56
It does make you wonder why if Schneiderlin wants to play for us, we have the money to buy him and he's not here yet. I'm not suggesting we won't get him, but whose delaying this. Moshiri is probably thinking the same thing. We need to put down this small budget negotiations mentality and adopt a more urgent approach. The money is there, the manager is there, so for crying out loud sort this out.

Gana has gone on international duty and we have not sorted out the deal in time seamlessly. That's poor and Koeman knows this. I like the fact that he's kicking off with this as the ambition is plain to see. Time for the old guard at Everton to either man up and get on with it or step aside so that a team with real urgency can be brought in to do the job.

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{Ed002's Note - Everton are not in a financial position to be over paying for players - you all got sucked in to Moshiri supposedly saying that there would be £200M a window to spend or whatever - there isn't and Everton need to balance the books. With the transfer window open one week there is nothing but whining which is very embarrassing. Much seems to be in a misunderstanding about how the entire process works.}

08 Jan 2017 11:29:55
I don't know if Koeman has what it takes to make us great again. but I know he has the balls to say it as it is! Martinez inherited a great squad from Moyes that played as a team whichever 11 were picked. Martinez systematically replaced players with inferior players until it no longer functioned. His saving grace was Lukaku. Lukaku kept him in a job for longer than he deserved. Now we are paying the price of mediocre management. Koeman has spoken his mind and I agree 100% with him. A major overhaul is needed asap. But Koeman should not be blamed for this. he should be thanked for being totally honest in his appraisal.

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08 Jan 2017 12:21:29
I understand that statement ED002 but Koeman is closer to these negotiations than what you are and he is frustrated at the lack of progress. That rings alarm bells with me as it clearly means there is a problem with how we are dealing with transfers and confirms in many ways the concerns fans have about how we failed in previous windows.

He is also firmly putting this at Walsh's and the board's doorstep at the lack of urgency. Are you trying to say that Koeman is whining as well and he has been suckered into the same supposed promises as us fans?

I don't have any interest in how much we have to spend on players and never thought we would be spending £100 or £200 mil but Schneiderlin for example has been available for a while. This should have been negotiated and acted upon by now. Koeman has said as much yesterday.

I believe the right people are at the club in most areas but our negotiators whoever they are, agents, chairman whatever, are letting the manager down.

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{Ed002's Note - Koeman is acting very uinprofessionally and I had not realised that Koeman mentioned Schneiderlin yesterday. I have already explained that Everton came to the table in respect of Schneiderlin a lot later than the Everton fan realise - with West Bromalready having made an offer and then Marseille having someone as a guest of manchester United at West Ham on Monday - a day they discussed the player as well. Add to that an approach to Morgan Schneiderlin's agent by Inter (who would ideally have liked a loan to replace Kondogbia) and a general enquiry from Juventus there are others that Manchester United need to talk with. It seems that you clearly don't understand the process of how transfers work at all if you think that the "negotiators" have let the manager down - particularly when the transfer window has only been open a week.

08 Jan 2017 14:12:47
To be honest unless we are actually party to the negotiations we don't really have a clue what is going on. We only get snippets of information or miss information depending on the source and we either believe it or not. The only thing I know for a fact about the Schneiderlin saga is RK stated he liked the player and thought he would be a good fit for the way he likes to play. Everything else IMO is speculation. If RK wants him and the club thinks he will be a good asset to the club then I think they will be doing everything in their power to get him. As ed002 states there may or may not be other parties in the equation and its a sellers market. We as a club have an opportunity to go after a player but that's all, we don't have any special privileges just because we are EFC. At the end of the day the club will have a budget and a set of targets we may or may not get these targets but that's life. Professional football is a business on the whole run by businessmen they will do what they can to make the business more profitable. My impression is that AL was at the top of the wanted list as paying £9-11m for a 19yr old with no PL experience is a hell of a gamble. This IMO proves to me that the board are backing both SW and RK in a way that we have not seen for a long time. I do think some of us need to take a chill pill over the transfer windows especially the January window.

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08 Jan 2017 14:43:37
If these negotiations take so long how can players be sold late into the final day of the window and replacements brought in all in a few hours . I really hope by the end of January our dealings will have put all our worries to bed . Let's face it we've been promised the earth before, how many times have we been promised a new stadium. We had Tesco as partners at one point. Sometimes it's hard to remain optimistic, we've been let down too many times in the past .
Bill Kenwrights description of Moshiri talking transfers was like a kid in a sweet shop, I want him and him and him, doesn't sound like someone who would miss out on a player for 1 or 2 million .
I think Bill saved Everton and during his reign we went from relegation candidates to consistently qualifying for Europe, I'm not a Bill basher but until we become New Everton and spend some real money I will remain very concerned.

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08 Jan 2017 14:45:13
My point is what you have just confirmed ED002. We came to the table for Schneiderlin later than everybody else. West Brom and others already going in for him before us. We put a bid in after West Brom, why?

We want him yet we are allowing others to get in there first. Along with that and because of our dithering others are now joining the race.

I may not know the process and don't profess to but the fact we are reacting for a player we want after another club has entered the race especially as we knew Koeman was after him a month ago is frustrating. It could also send the wrong message to the player in how strong our interest is.

Even more worrying if you are right that Koeman is acting unprofessionally in reacting the way he is, is that this would suggest a break down of trust between him and the board. Maybe there is a big difference between both expectations and why is he not being kept close to the negotiations.

Yesterday was not just a throw away comment by Koeman. If Koeman didn't say anything yesterday then I wouldn't be reacting like this but the fact there was clear anger there over how we are conducting transfers and his "need to open our eyes" statement I am worried.

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{Ed002's Note - Because Everton were not interested in him.}

08 Jan 2017 16:00:38
Maybe 002. I suppose that's the frustration for us fans. We never really know what's going on inside the club. We don't know the details of how these things work. Also the clubs are tied up in that they can only release information once it's fact.

Add to all that the utter rubbish that is fed to us by the media 99% of the time.

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{Ed002's Note - I explained the situation with Schneiderlin all of the way through BJU. None of it should have been a shock.}

08 Jan 2017 17:39:41
I agree with Ed002 with regard to finances and transfers i.e coming late to the table. The last only highlights that with everything else going on, rebuilding backroom staff, DoF, Manager/ Coach etc! the eye has been taken off some of our 'frontline' staff, with our history of dither in transfer windows it was rather surprising when Ed002 confirmed that Mr Kenwright and Mr Elstone are still our prime transfer negotiators. And now when Mr Koeman needs it, we appear to have fallen back into the bad habit of none communication and a perceived executive lethargy by the fans.

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08 Jan 2017 18:24:41
Great post. Some chairman and directors take offence when a manager stands up for veiws that fans have said for years. let's hope last week and yesterday is the turning point to a brighter future.

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08 Jan 2017 18:40:04
Well said Degsy I agree 100% with this post, it will be a long job sorting out the mess Martinez left even if Koeman is the right man.
The thing is you can only buy so many players at one time as it is a team we need to build so I do feel a mix of local lads is important and I am glad to see Holgate and Davies given game time as these guys must be part of the future.
Even City with all there money took 3 or 4 years before they started to achieve any success, and they are now under achieving in my view because they have no local imput and therefore no real heart.
Both barcalona and Madrid do bring players from there youth teams into there first team which blends well with the high priced stars, so good luck Koeman it is a big job you have taken on

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08 Jan 2017 08:53:52
I don't really do negative posts and I back my club through thick and thin and have huge amounts of forgiveness.

However, my patience has also run out with how we deal with transfers.

We could and should have had Schneiderlin and Depay done and dusted on day one. Plus whoever else is out there we are looking at should be getting done now. If we are squabaling over £2 mil then it shows a lack of ambition by the club.

I know things are not as easy as that but these two players are and have been available for a while. We need to stop being nice and get dirty by agreeing deals with the agents and then getting things settled with the clubs quickly. I backed the club last week but we are 8 days into the window almost a third of the way through.

I felt sorry for Koeman yesterday. He's frustrated about the summer and we are doing the same again. If it's Bill or whoever doing these deals then it's time to move them on and get proper deal breakers in who get things done.

Stop pissing about Everton.

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08 Jan 2017 09:13:25
Well Ed002 did seem to confirm that Mr Kenwright and Mr Elstone are still the ones conducting transfer negotiations. As I have said before (and it really is not personal) I was extremely surprised when Mr Moshri arrived to see that Mr Elstone was actually placed on the Board. Hopefully after this window or even during, things will change.

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08 Jan 2017 11:30:53
Have patience mate. Panic when there is 12 hours left!

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08 Jan 2017 10:25:59
I'm not having a go at the people who are doing the deals, don't get me wrong but everyone has limitations and there are specialist out there that get these things done and done quickly.

If these players were not available then you could argue that it's the selling club dragging heals. This is different. They are available and want to come. That frustrates me.

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{Ed025's Note - it frustrates us all john mate..

08 Jan 2017 14:50:02
Koeman and any manager can loose a job based on results. Of course he wants players now. Club expects results he expects the tools to do his job. The background work to identify players must have started months ago. Millions at risk no one makes a big money decision over night. I believe he is right to feel frustrated.

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08 Jan 2017 08:51:04
Only just read rk post match comments. Wow, what a complete opposite of Martinez he is. He told it straight, the players need to step up and show they can listen to his ideas and implement them on the pitch.
Ok, he must take some blame as he picks the team and makes the substitutions. Taking Valencia off and changing shape to 451/ 433 gave Leicester confidence.
I am not too disappointed and I definitely will not be calling for his head. As has been said before, he inherited a squad which was old, lacked quality, was used to playing attacking, open football which left defence exposed and they had been told constantly that they were phenomenal.
It's good to see that some home truths are being told. They can either man up and learn the rk way or be out the door. I for one, believe he should have at least the same time as Martinez to prove he can bring players in and mould out our team into a successful one. going to be very interesting to see our starting line up away at stoke on 1st Feb.

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07 Jan 2017 22:55:57
I enjoyed the exciting match between AFC Wimbledon and Sutton United on FS1 here in the States. I followed the Sky feed the Everton match today.

Honestly, I am not too disappointed in the outcome. It would be folly to think we would get much further in the Cup. I would rather be out to a PL team than a League Two outfit. Folks, we were not going to far this year in the FA Cup. We had a bit of a lucky draw last year, so no need for tears.

The positive of today: this team is not good enough. This is not a screaming indictment, calling for heads to roll and the manager to be sacked. Everton is a mid-table team, not pushing for a Top 4, and not relegation fodder. Changes will be made in consideration. 18 games left to build the team for next year.

Our keepers, Robles and Steklenburg are average. Not bad, just average.

Our defense will need an heir to Leighton Baines at LB. Funes-Mori is average. Jags, between age and injury, is waning. Ashley Williams will be solid for a few years. Coleman is good. Holgate, Pennington, and Browning are young an may do well. And what of Gallaway and Garbutt?

Gana is the crux of our midfield, and Barkley will have the rest of this season to show what he can do. Barry’s legs have aged quickly. Cleverly and Lennon are at best utility players for depth. Perhaps Dowell and Davies will get opportunities. I fear Basic and Oveido will never be PL quality, despite any vigorous returns to health. McCarthy will likely stay a while. Mr. Gibson…. paging Mr. Gibson….

Up front, Lukaku will ask for a transfer unless the team is successful and shows a dedication to building the team. I like Mirallas, but like Deulafeu, the brief flashes of brilliance are clouded by the abysmal defensive skills and lack of 90 minutes of endurance. If Bolasie can return to form in a year, it would be a bonus. Lookman deserves a look at some point. Calvert-Lewin, he will get a look again in March.
Mr. Kone tries, but he would do well in the Championship. Can we get Naismith back in exchange for Niasse?

Okay, as I wrote this note, waves of darkness and despair tried to overwhelm me. It did not. It’s all good.

We will see what happens the rest of the transfer period.

Depay?
Sneiderlin?
Messi?
RK laces the boots back up and joins the central defense, scoring the match winner at Anfield?

I do believe this team can compete, and it will improve. RK will add to this team and reshape it in his image.

I honestly believe Everton will finish 6th. Honest.

By the way, Sutton United looked great for an non-league team. I think they can take Wimbledon in the replay 2-1.

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08 Jan 2017 03:24:25
I'm struggling to see a negative on this post.

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08 Jan 2017 07:49:44
Great post, couldn't agree more

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