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07 Jun 2012 23:03:23
Pogrebnyak is a free agent, would be good for us.
I noticed Moyse was a dab hand at pronouncing his name in a post fulham game interview last season!
Wonder why he had so much practice ?
Blue Bones
Let's be honest it's not the hardest russian name to pronounce
07 Jun 2012 22:27:34
We have two world class players, why the hell would we sell them, and certainly not for knock down prices or some other clubs rejects. Yes i know everyone has their price, but when the media start talking about lossing them for 20m, they are out by 10's of millions.
07 Jun 2012 21:46:50
Don't sell anyone including Tim Cahill! If one has to be sold to allow the Pienarr transfer then the obvious candidates Yobo. I don't believe we will sell any of our key players, or need to for that matter. To me they all look more than happy playing for the mighty blues, and thats including Pienarr. Pienarr, and Donavon in January on loan and that's more than enough. If we can keep key players that we've already got fit this season then I believe we'll be in for one hell of a year! COYB! .. and COE too! Bring it home :)
07 Jun 2012 19:16:32
Ed do you reckon there's a chance felli is goin or basins {Ed025's Note - there is always a chance...but if had to make a guess...then no..
The basins in the upper gwladys street are due a refurb like!
If we can keep this team together and make a couple of shrewd signings than i think top 5 is achievable next season, if we get big money in from a transfer lets hope we spend it as wisely as newcastle did when they got 35 mill for the donkey
Bez the blue
07 Jun 2012 18:51:48
If we lose fellaini and cahill would love would love to see pienaar, holtby and moses brought in. {Ed025's Note - if we lose felli...we will need more than moses mate....we will need JC himself!
I like tha one ed and agree
Sorry, can't agree, Ed. Cruyff was good in his day but he's a bit past it now!
Toffee Tezza
Hope u dnt mean joe cole !!
07 Jun 2012 18:27:41
Simple Summer:
outs: yobo 3mil
cahilll 5mil
rodwell 10-12 mil
if we need 2 sell sum1 its got 2 b rodwell. inhury plagued and all
ins (say moyesy has budget of 10mil): pienaar 5mil
nasmith 2mil
sigurdson 3mil
holtby 6mil
dempsey 6mil
usual freebies and unknown deadline-day loanee.
Everton Summer:
sell baines and felli on deadline-day and have no time 2 replace them as per usua ;(
i hope its the simmples summer eds, but as we all no, nothings ever simple bein an evertonian in the summer! {Ed025's Note - you can say that again mate..
, 5 mil for Cahill? Dream on
07 Jun 2012 17:59:42
dont even think it would be the end of the world if we lost baines and fellaini because if/when we do david moyes will have a huge transfer kitty around 47 million depending on what we get for them both(players involved in swap)
outs:
yobo 3 million
baines 16 million(plus ji sung park)
fellaini 22 million(plus lukaku on loan)
cahill 5 million
ins:
pienaar 5 million
donavan 10 million
sigurrdson 4 million
ji sung park free
cardozo 9 million
cissokho 6 million
huth 5 million
gourcouff 6million
plszczek 4 million
line up
gk:akinffev
rb:plszczek
cb:heitinga
cb:jagielka
lb:cissokho
rm:donavan
cdm:gourcouff
lm:pienaar
cam:sigurrdson
st:cardozo
st:jelavic
ALL THIS FROM TWO MAIN PLAYERS !!! {Ed025's Note - so you want to start from the bottom again?...its a NO from me..
This team would run riot in the prem
Even if we did sell fellaini and baines {i pray to god we dont} moyes would only get about 10 million out of it and theres on way we could replace them with 10 million,we will keep them because were building a great team and am so excited for next season.Terry blue {Ed025's Note - lets hope so terry..
And your happy to accept 22 million for felli, sorry at least another 8 on top of that.
Great team... But that's not everton, I love the players we have and would like to see just a few added.. No more
IF felli or baines has to be sold I'd rather it be felli as this would open up a gap for Barkley or Rodwell but I'd prefer to keep him
J0hn80y
07 Jun 2012 17:56:14
BK Sell the club for 40 million at least we can keep our best players and buy some players to strengthen the squad.
I Am sick and tired of our best players having to leave to raise our funds
07 Jun 2012 14:38:50
if 4 sum reason we don't get pienaar, we shud get holtby frm schalke. he's expressed a desire 2 play in the premier league and the fact that his dad supports the mighty blues might just help us swipe him frm under the noses of Mr.Wenger. One problem; PRICE! wat do u reckon ed? {Ed025's Note - i like him, but not enough to pay a big fee..
07 Jun 2012 13:48:30
eds, here is a questin 4 ya: if we got Rhodes wat wud b the MAX u wud pay 4 him bcoz rumours of us joining us for 8.5 mil hav been flyin round at wrk 2day! cheers {Ed025's Note - no chance...3.5m tops, and even that is pushing it..he is young, and has never played in the top flight, for me it is a very big gamble..
07 Jun 2012 14:26:15
Short memories the BK bashers from January! He is doing his best for the club he loves, there can be nothing more hurtful than fellow Evertonians havin a go at you constantly, we have limited resources and use them well. So called fans are questioning who to sell Baines or Fellaini ! Neither BK & DM are building not selling if you sold either you couldn't replace them with anyone better given the funds they love the club and the manager, trust in them they shocked us all with Jelavic in jan when no one saw it coming! Don't worry about the obvious rumours kalou or rodellega when they go elsewhere moyes knows who he wants and we rarely second guess him !
I dont support Kenwright, I am open about it. I don't understand how anyone can support him. Yes, he is a blue, well done but if he calls himself a true blue then why is he seeking a 100+mil profit from Everton? Despite piling the club up to its neck in debt and stripping the club of every solid asset which includes our training ground. And don't get me wrong, I understand he has no money, and I don't criticise him for that as it isn't his fault he doesn't have oil money, it is the business side of how he, and his cronies run this club, the past few years have been littered with poor financial and business deals that have hurt this club.
Saying that I do feel sympathy for him, he is the scapegoat, and this is where I disagree with the Blue Union, BK should be questioned, but for me the targets needs to Green and Earl, those two are more or less billionaires, and yet they have contributed absolutely nothing to this club.
If it weren't for Moyes, we would be in the Championship, the man has worked miracles for us, and I hope for our sake, and Kenwright's sake, he stays because if he decides to leave (which could be a realistic outcome if things don't change in the next couple years) then we are screwed.
Rant over. { Ed025's Note - nice rant mate..
The main reason BK is holding out for a 'major' investor is that just 30 or 40 mill will not change our fortunes long term look at Birmingham, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Leeds west ham, ...
Green is NOT A SHARHOLDER!! He supports Spurs which is why he doesn't donate money. He instead helps by giving advice and negotiating transfers. Earle is the bad guy in this, not Green.
Bobcat
07 Jun 2012 13:13:17
How frustrating is it being an Everton Fan!
Back in the Rooney days we had the best english talent...but rest of team were pretty average...and we had no money!
And now...for the first time in Moyes's reign we have a striker in Jelavic that has shown he could possibly get 20-25 goals per season as well as very good players all over the pitch Howard, Baines, Jags, Johnny, Felli, Pienaar(if we sign him permanently)...but again we have no money and the vultures are circling over our prize assets!
All we need is £10-15m each season to build on this strong backbone of a team to push on to Europa at minimum and possibly champs league.
But what we have is board who our plainly an embarrasment and quite possibly the tightest board in footballing history who obviously cannot see the bigger picture!
The money experts say times are hard...times must be hard eh "Lord" Granchester when your sitting on a billion pounds...times are hard when you wife has just been made redundant...but will I be there in August supporting our blue boys...you bet I will.
So a message to our board...just a Moyesie a chance and give him a few million each year or reduce the price of our club and GET OUTTA TOWN AND TAKE YOUR FAT WALLETS WITH YOU!
Woldo of Wavertree
07 Jun 2012 12:51:08
just goes to say how great our blues are if all the top clubs want our players
07 Jun 2012 12:41:05
Hi ed if it did come down to either sellIng Baines or fellani who would you rather go ??
Personally for me it be Baines I think fellani is irreplaceable and Baines I think we could find a replacement or bring in garbutt from the reserves {Ed025's Note - they both add so much, that it is hard to decide..so i will say neither
Dont think it will be our choice if the info about the £26 million buyout clause in Fellis contract is right although If Chelsea are the only intrested party then we might be ok because chelsea have loads of midfielders and I would think that strikers would be their priority with drogba gone torres their only real quality striker (maybe sturridge too) even chelsea will have to start balancing the books, with the financial fair play starting to bite ruskie roman cant bail them out to the degree that he has in the past, so there is still hope of a trauma free window for us blues ;)
ToffeeAl {Ed025's Note - trauma free al...you do know you are on the everton page dont you mate...lol..
07 Jun 2012 12:39:04
If Kenwright wants funds why can't he just sell players that we don't need i.e Mucha. Players like that could raise our funds. That is much better than selling our best players like Fellaini and Baines. But on another note how could Kenwright own a football team if he has no money. He is just annoying me and thousands of other Evertonions. Agree? {Ed025's Note - he says that he is trying to sell...but ask the other shareholders why they dont put into the pot!
Exactly - I could own Everton on that basis - putting nothing into the pot and watching the value of my asset grow by a hundred million - putting nothing else into the pot whilst claiming to love the club etc - we all pay more for our seats than bill kenright does
07 Jun 2012 11:27:01
Fellani. Personally i don't think he will leave, but then again i didn't believe that Arteta would go. In addition, Fellani has just signed a new 5 year contract and he wont leave for anything less than 30 million and we have a habbit of making clubs pay the maximum (ie lescott)
However if the sad they comes and he does leave I'm sure we will get money for a replacement and knowing moyes the replacement will be as good if not better.
Baines. There has been a lot of speculation than our prized asset will go but people are forgetting that he LOVES everton and I'm not being biased but again i dont think he will leave.
On our own transfer news i think that pienaar is practicably certain. After pienaar i think that there will be one or maybe 2 more signings (eg. Naismith or Siguardson) and not forgetting the annual moyes loan.
Blue Kaz.
07 Jun 2012 11:10:08
Im getting sick of this now everyday all i hear is stupid press and papers talking about our players its ridiculous. I do fear tho we will see one of our big players leave to raise funds like we do every summer. This is where kenwright annoys me because how can we build a great team if we keep selling our best players.
ANSWER is we can't. positives are we can bring in 2 or 3 players with the money. but really i don't want us to sell anyone.
Andy {Ed025's Note - i agree andy..
07 Jun 2012 11:06:26
Lets be honest, if Banies and Fellani go its not the
end of the world, look what loosing Rooney and Lescott did for us! im sure if they go moyes will
successfully revamp the squad like he does constantly if he can buy a striker like jelavic think what he can do with 40 od million! there are more than enough cheaper aderquit replacements out there in MOYES WE TRUST!!! {Ed025's Note - i know it sounds pessimistic, but it would be the end of the world!, we have built a team that are on the fringe of qualifying for europe, and if we lose our quality players, it will mean starting the building process all over again!..
Eventually Moyes will get sick of re-building and he will go. If we don't build on what we've got Moyes will feel like he's on a factory line, doing the same thing over and over again! Selling our best players upsets everyone, including the fans.
Wizard of Osman {Ed025's Note - your right wiz...nobody likes to be undermined, and that would be exactly what they would be doing if the players were sold..
If we were to sell Baines & Fellaini we will replace them with 3 or 4 new players but they will take 1,2 or even 3 seasons to settle. That would be a backward step & proved that our club have no intention of pushing on. Keep them both unless 1 wants to leave (i.e. Lescott) & build team around your strongest players! And they are certainly 2 of the top players in Premier League.
Joe - EFC {Ed025's Note - i agree joe..
07 Jun 2012 10:28:10
This time of year is always a bit odd if you ask me. The paper talk goes into overdrive with made up rubbish because they need something to fill the back pages. I try to take most of it with a pinch of salt but it can be worrying at times, especially with all the talk of Fellaini and Baines going.
If even one of them gets sold it will be a massive step back. We just got back to winning ways at the end of last season so why change it? We need to build on it!!
On the other hand, I keep seeing these huge lists of players people want brought in, but it's not needed! Two or three including Pienaar would be enough. We can beat anyone next season if we don't sell our top players!
Wizard of Osman {Ed025's Note - i totally agree wiz..all we need is a tweak here and there, if felli and, or baines are sold..it will be a massive backward step..
07 Jun 2012 11:02:15
A couple of pointers and food for
thought.
Firstly Would you but a news paper with blank sports pages.
No! so they fill the blank spaces with their own speculation.
Secondly have Chelsea selected their manager yet
No!
Have you seen Hazard paraded in a
Chelsea Shirt.
No!
Have We come out and said we have received a £20 million plus bid for Felli or anyone else for that matter?
No!
Enough said
Big C
Hazard has been paraded in a Chelsea shirt?
Okay you got me there I hadn't seen any of todays nationals with Hazard.
However my main point is until Everton come out and say it I won't believe a word about any of our players going.
And if and it's a big if we do sell any of our players I am sure there will be a plan and a suitable replacement lined up.
IMWT
Big C
07 Jun 2012 10:14:22
This figure of 20 mill is a joke For felliani IF we where to sell him it should be a min of 30, then David should work his magic bring in a few jems, I also would love to see peanuts back at the club but if we have to pay 5/6 mill peanuts would want to take a big pay cut to prove he is sorry for leaving us. BSM
07 Jun 2012 09:39:12
if Felliani, Bains, cahill, Jags go GOD forbid but?
= Gago, Aly Chisoko*,Pienaar, Marc allbrighton
all reasonable targets but im worrying about kenwright and what would he give us out of over 50mil combined for these players? cause the players above should = around 5mil, 7mil, 4.5mil, 4mil how do you rate these players ed?
toffee haz {Ed025's Note - good players haz...but not as good as we would be losing..
07 Jun 2012 08:27:16
I think Chelsea offering £20 million for Fellaini is disgraceful, they bought hazard for £32 million he is an unproven player and in the England v Belgium match Fellaini was the best player for Belgium. We should at least get £30 million..........
TC
07 Jun 2012 07:18:55
If we sell Baines and Fellaini (for a combined 40 mill) ... Who would we spend the 20 mill Ken-tight would release?
Pienaar for 5 mill
Decent left back like Cissoko for 6
Midfielder like Carrick ( for 6 as part of Baines deal)
Sigurdsson for 3?
Comments?
Its simple.do not sell either player {Ed025's Note - i agree..
Why oh why r people keep goin on bowt us selling our top players, its all papertalk. Get a grip people
Haha Carrick! You're going the right way for a smacked bottom mr. original poster.
ToffeeJack.
07 Jun 2012 00:37:44
I come on this website everyday but I don't know why I bother. Seeing supporters slate osman and anichebe is a joke. Although I would love for us to attain these stellar signings I know it isn't going to happen. If pienaar wanted to join is that badly he would do a 'Lescott' and go to the papers. If we can hold on to key players such as baines, fellaini, heitinga etc. I don't see why we can't make a good go of with what we've got. We'll have Ross and jack fully fit next season and hopefully Coleman will play like a winger. Players such as Magaye and Victor will have to prove to moyes their the real deal too. Keep the faith evertonians and be realistic about this summer and after all Bill loves the club as much as us if not more.
We're so close to a really good team - if Bill was just prepared to put in 10m we could really have a chance
he bought the club for 30m and it's now worth 150m - so he's sitting on a profit of 120m {Ed025's Note - 10m would be fine!..
You forget though, Bill Kenright is only worth around 40 million himself, and he has other businesses to run, he is not fit to run a football club and he knows it. I honestly believe he is looking as hard as he says for investment. what annoys me more is the fact that the other board members wont invest! we have billionaires on our board who don't invest a penny, and ten million to them is like walking around money! we should lay off Kenright a bit and start directing some questions at them {Ed025's Note - thats what i have been saying all along...these fat cats on our board need to chip in a bit more..
I honestly can't see why they don't - they must not even follow the club - otherwise they could see we're probably 2-3 (5mil) players away from a fantastic team - if they were to just put in that extra ten million we might actually have a decent chance of getting champions league - and then they'd get a fantastic return on their 10mil ! Even if they don't 10mil would be worth putting in to see if it could be done - just for the romance of it!
07 Jun 2012 00:37:37
I was not very bright at school! ...as I was always bunking off class. Hence I,m rubbish at maths!..but am I the only one that thinks we have £100 million worth of assets on the pitch, could,nt we borrow £20 million for a big push to qualify for champions league, which would bring in about £50 million or more. Now! if we did qualify we could pay £30 Million back to the bank, Leaving £20 millon to reinvest in the club!... "Progress" But if it did go tits up! then we could sell one or two of are top players to balance the books. Now after last seasons good end of season form, It seems logical to me to take a gamble. then players like cordosa would jump at the chance to play for the peoples club!......EH! {Ed013's Note - You are not allowed to borrow money from the banks for playing assets}
One word mate
LEEDS
Degsy
O.K Banks won,t do it! but what about private investers lending money on the same terms!.. EH!
The problem is mate that players price are so subjective. We might think Felli is worth 30m but other teams might only value him at 20m. What if he got injured tomorrow (god forbid) and could never play again.
Banks tend to lend on tangible assets not intangible.
Now that Burger King (BK) has sold all of our tangible assets there is nothing left to borrow on ! Our only option is sell to buy.
07 Jun 2012 00:25:18
think we should sell baines because alex ferguson will offer around 23 million due to napolis interests
would it be that bad because we never had him for the last few games of the season and did really well(30million tranfer budget)
ins:
pienaar 5 million
naismith 2 million
sigurrdson 4 million
cardozo 8 million
sishoko 6 million
akinfeev 6million
outs:
baines 23 million
yobo 3 million
hanneman 1 million
line up next year
gk:howard/akinfeev
rb:hibbert
cb:heitinga
cb:jagielka/distin
lb:sishoko
rm:donavan
cm:fellaini
lm:pienaar
cam:sigurrdson
st:cardoza
st:jelavic
subs:
cahill
osman
gibson
naismith
akinffev
distin
hibbert
neville
First of all, we can't get money for Hahnemann because we have already released him. Also, why would we get Akinfeev, he's too good a goalkeeper to want to play backup to Howard, he would want first team football.
Bobcat
You never said Donovan in the Ins bit but put him in the starting line up?