Everton Banter Archive August 07 2018

07 Aug 2018 23:11:23
Pickford

Coleman mina smalling digne

Gana sigg bernard


Walcott tosun richarlison

I'd say were ready

Once a blue always a blue.

08 Aug 2018 01:47:48
I like that Tbone mate, happy to swap Smalling for Zouma though but either would be great.

08 Aug 2018 19:19:49
How about smelling and Zouma an put Keane on the bench.

{Ed025's Note - that might cause a bit of a stink with united fans Tbone.. :)

09 Aug 2018 10:01:08
with the obvious exception we haven't signed mina smalling or bernard yet.

07 Aug 2018 20:12:05
I think people are missing the point about investment from Usmanov in Everton, the business opportunities that will be around the new stadium are endless it is a massive regeneration of the area, so to people who say he is not an Everton fan has no bearings on it at all and weather he will buy into Everton or not, today's news means he has the ability to fund us without the other ties in football.

07 Aug 2018 20:25:37
True. But he's not going to regardless of how many posts we put on.
Do your homework, read up about the fella and understand who he is. It's quite interesting.

There is far more wealthy land in London that needs regeneration, clubs that need a billionaire to back them. He invested in Arseabl because he loves them. Don't expect that to change anytime soon.

07 Aug 2018 21:57:51
Don’t believe everything you read, this is not something that has just happened like you said they are business people, do you honestly believe that prior to Moshiri selling his 15% to Usmanov and then saying bye I’m going to buy half off another football team, Usmanov knew this was going to happen so this business plan was talked about long before Moshiri came, he has already made huge investment in Everton why on earth would he buy another club ie Newcastle, there is a 500+ stadium that needs financing with huge revenue potential around the site, I don’t need to scroll through media noncence to understand his business, bottom line is look at the facts so far between Moshri and Usmanov and there is still around 50% left of Everton shares or around that left, they are business partners of more than 20 years do you really think they have gone separate ways and there is a small matter of finding investment to the tune of 200+ million to get this stadium up and running.

07 Aug 2018 22:24:53
Dont believe everything you read?
Obviously you do. Even when his representatives come out and say it's not happening you still blindly believe it is.
What revenue is there around the site? He wouldn't own any of it. He's be more interested in what's below the site than the property/ investment on it.

Unless you are privy to more info than me and he is changing his investment strategy. Then there is zero chance of him investing.

There is no president for him to invest in Everton.

Just read about his background and investments before automatically thinking he is going to invest.
He invests in media and minerals, his only investment in sports is/ was Arsenal.

{Ed025's Note - he did buy finch farm smit..

07 Aug 2018 15:42:58
Surely Usmanovs only interest with us would be to lend us the money for the new stadium at similar rates as the council.
Moshiri wants us to be a club who can stand on our own feet without constant investment. It doesn't make sense for usmanov to buy into us.

07 Aug 2018 15:57:58
Why does it not make sense.

07 Aug 2018 16:43:28
Because he has no affinity to Everton, he would only invest in us as an investment and we are far from that at the moment, dilute that with half of any profit going to Moshiri.
It makes zero sense.

07 Aug 2018 17:09:06
Although I’m skeptical of this Usmankv link, to add coal to the fire, what affinity did Moshiri have to us before he invested Smit? Zero. He was introduced to the club and fell in love with Everton over a period of months (his words, not mine) . Why can this not be the case with Usmanov?

07 Aug 2018 17:19:56
I think it makes total sense.
The guy wants to run a football club in the richest league in the world.

He has stuck by his previous for a lot longer than most, considering he had zero influence.

His best pal and business partner has a good of a sleeping giant inn the NW that's ripe for some new money.

I can't see any problem other than, and it's a biggie our anti Russian stance in this country. Roman has been awol for ages and rumours of possible sale of Chelsea. Although he's stated he'd never sell. I'm guessing the politics need to be fixed first before his return.

Without Googling Usminov country of birth (I think Russia but someone claims he's from Ukraine) it may or may not. be a problem.

Honestly it seems a little bit of that old school thinking to question why a international business. man is interested in running a football club. Strangely the foreign chairman-owner is a bit more than a fleeting fad.

{Ed025's Note - you have convinced me MTBTY..

07 Aug 2018 17:53:42
Your forgetting Usmanov supports Arsenal as a team, not Everton.
Moshiri supports neither and was looking for an investment.
Maybe Usmanov will come to Goodison and all of a sudden fall out of love with arsenal and fall in love with Everton.
Wait. Has that ever happened ever?
He is a Gooner and always will be.
Any investment in any other team will be profit based. We need his investment, we don't need to invest in him.

07 Aug 2018 18:23:11
I know he supports Arsenal.
What's your point?

I'd have thought Fowler, Mcmanaman, Carragher, Owen, Gerrard being EFC supporters would have had more of an effect than some glory supporter from half way across the world.

He can buy a red and white scarf and a kit if he likes. What he does in his own home is his business.

07 Aug 2018 18:24:27
His investment in any team including Arsenal would be profit driven Smit. He didn’t just invest in Arsenal because he was a fan, there was obviously an opportunity to make profits, no businessman likes to lose money. You speak as though you know both Moshiri and Usmanov personally so I will have to take your word for it mate.

07 Aug 2018 18:28:03
PS Sorry but there is no chance he is a real Arsenal supporter.
Not sure he was born in Islington or the surrounding.
"He is a Gooner and always will be" except for the 40 odd years where he wasn't. I'm sire he's like my American mate who (funnily) also supports Arsenal. Yeah yeah ok buddy, you don't even know who George Graham is.

07 Aug 2018 17:36:09
While I have stated that am happy with Mr Moshri and do not wish Mr Usmanov to tip over the apple cart. If he (Mr Usmanov) buys into the Club the same way that Mr Moshri assures us he has done, then with his financial muscle it could hugely impact our future in a positive way. This is very early days and all of us are full of conjecture so we will see what we will.

07 Aug 2018 18:51:41
What extra does he give? We still have to abide by FFP. We are spending tens of millions of pounds, building a new super stadium. Money only does so much.

Don't get me wrong another investor is all good but we are no longer the Everton of old.

07 Aug 2018 19:07:43
Let’s hope it starts with more sponsoring of facilities.

The USM Holdings conference rooms
The USM Holdings Liver Building
The USM Holdings lock up
The USM Holdings dock

The possibilities are endless!

07 Aug 2018 19:51:42
I don't think he really supports arsenal as he is Russian he may of said he does because he was involved with them so he had to say that but I think its all about business.

07 Aug 2018 20:35:07
He can sponsor whatever he likes of evertons, shares in another team won't change that.
He can't come in and buy the league like abramovich did. FFP is there to make it harder for teams to live outside their means.
So for him to come he would need some serious ambition.
Please read up about the bloke and you will realise, he ain't coming.
He could make more profit from his 30% in Arsenal (the team he loves) per year than his 100% in Everton.

Is he from Islington? No. But he supports Arsenal and wants only the best for them, which is why I say, do your homework and read up about the man. Then you will get that the only reason he would buy into Everton is for the profit, and at the moment he won't get much.

07 Aug 2018 23:25:05
Must admit I’d love him to invest in Everton and buy us some silverware and to see him sailing down the Mersey in his super yacht every other week to watch all our 100m star players win every game ‘you may say I’m a dreamer’.

{Ed025's Note - your a dreamer.. :)

09 Aug 2018 10:06:21
It’s not always about making profit for these multi billionaires though smit, sometimes they just want to leave a mark or have an expensive toy. No one will know what he does until he does it now, would be great for us if he does decide to join his pal.

07 Aug 2018 13:08:00
Unpopular opinion alert- After all of the money we've wasted on players who either can't make the grade or just don't fit in with the way we want to play, I don't want us just signing A. N. Other at centre back just for the sake of it. (I don't care about the money itself, it's just that it's hard to get rid of players who are on overinflated wages, as we've found out this summer) .

Rather than sign the next Per Kroldup or a foreign Titus Bramble for £45m it would be better to work with what we've got, as I'd certainly rather buy quality than just anyone available because we are running out of time (with the exception of loan deals) .

In that vein, I agree with a poster below who mentioned that Keane may be worth persevering with. As mentioned he spent much of last season in between Martina and Williams, with a decidedly lazy Schneiderlin in front of him. Add to that a new club, 3 different managers, being in and out of the team and with different defensive partners every few weeks it's little wonder that he has looked so poor.

Another issue is that he is now partnered with Jagielka. For me, Jagielka has always worked best with a powerful and quick player next to him (Lescott, Distin) . Keane is perhaps a bit too similar to Jags for that partnership to flourish. Despite Jags undoubted quality, his pace has completely gone. Keane knows this and probably lacks a bit of confidence in Jags for it, especially seeing as Keane isn't the quickest himself.

If we can't find at least one good CB (and I really hope we can) then Marco will have to find a way to make it work, be that by giving time for Holgate and Keane to forge a partnership, or sorting out the defensive mids to give Jags and Keane adequate support.

07 Aug 2018 15:13:05
How many times has jags been wrote off for being slow and his legs gone.
The same jags as last year who's legs had gone when he set up the goal against Liverpool after beating 20 other players.
Once he's fit he's still pretty quick, in his head and his legs.

07 Aug 2018 16:47:08
I wasn't writing him off, it's just that I don't think that him and Keane compliment each other's skills. I still think Jags has a lot to offer, but moving forward maybe it may benefit to persevere with Keane and a new CB partner than to stick with Jags every week, as he only has a couple of seasons left at the top level at best.

07 Aug 2018 21:07:43
I'm struggling with Keane, is he going to come good?

{Ed025's Note - unfortunately no mate..

07 Aug 2018 21:28:12
I have to agree Ed. He's had enough time now and he doesn't look any better than whe he signed.

07 Aug 2018 11:43:00
Walsh and Koeman must be red faced - klasson, Rooney, Williams gone - looks like bolassi coco and Vlasic out next.

Didn't rate Allerdyce but at least Walcott and Tolson fit into Silva's way of playing and are quality players.

I hope we have a centre back in place for wolves game - praying jags and Keane don't start. Keane and Smalling/ rogo/ Mina - we have always had great centre half's - Watson, Stubbs, gough, jags, distan, lescott to name a few. I just hope we get someone in who becomes a stalwart for the club and does the shirt proud - imagine a young distan and jags now!

07 Aug 2018 11:53:23
Actually liked Lescott, sometimes forgotten (perhaps) that the lad could put in a decent shift at LWB. But he like Stones enabled the Club to have a decent financial injection.

07 Aug 2018 12:06:05
Yeah I agree DFS. I really liked Lescott too. That’s why I was just gutted when he left. And the very recollection of Mark Hugh’s smug face still makes my blood boil.

07 Aug 2018 10:59:16
been on the Chelsea page to ask how Ross is getting on and I am quite shocked at the hate towards us and the view that they think us and West ham are on the same level, am I delusional or are we a step up from west ham?

07 Aug 2018 11:05:01
Chelsea fans hate everyone johny. Just look at the league standings for the last few years and that’ll tell you where we and West Ham sit in relation to who’s the better club.

07 Aug 2018 11:20:23
Not talking about size or history of club here, but ability and quality of current squad.

But yes I think we are a similar level to West Ham. I think we need to be realistic about our current situation and position at the moment. I see us, West Ham and Leicester as the teams who should be fighting for 7th. That's where we are right now in my eyes - and that's the size of our current challenge to get close to top 6.

But I believe now we have the right owner and structure in place to build and improve - if MS sticks around longer than his previous clubs!

07 Aug 2018 11:21:16
That is the response I gave mate.

07 Aug 2018 11:34:32
I live down south and there are loads of West Ham fans and friends of mine who have always openly said that Everton are a better club than West Ham and of course love it when they beat us 3-0!

That said, this season there is a lot of optimism surrounding west have with their new signings. We discussed this a couple of weeks ago though and agree that it’s only a matter of time before the owners piss pellegrini off and he leaves the club my mutual consent.

07 Aug 2018 12:15:55
I don't hate Everton boys I just don't think you're that big of a club anymore. Obviously have huge history like West Ham do but right now you're competing with them to finish as the best of the rest outside the top 6. You've been very poor for a number of seasons now along with West Ham but both making decent signings and will be interesting to see how you do.

07 Aug 2018 15:22:50
I suppose it depends on what length of time you look back at. A couple of years, then we are miles ahead.
10 years, then we are miles ahead, 30 years, then we are miles ahead.

Ok, I'm struggling to find a time period that they consistently did anything better than us.

07 Aug 2018 08:04:18
Fantastic to see the site excited at long last. I haven't seen so many formations suggested and put forward by everyone.

If we can sort out CD, ideally with 2 new coming in we will have a strong defensive unit, a fluid, constantly changing in shape midfield and a real cutting edge in attack.

It certainly beats let's get everyone behind the ball and hope for the one chance per game

Keep it coming lads

COYB NSNO.

07 Aug 2018 09:03:07
It's amazing isn't it bw2412 we've not had the greatest of pre seasons and we are still looking for that illusive CB but the excitement is building ready for Saturday. Last nights announcement about Bernard got everyone talking even I went on YouTube watching him and can't wait to see him in the blue shirt. That plan that MB and MS have is slowly starting to build it will still take time but hey what a ride it will be roll on 3pm Saturday.

07 Aug 2018 09:09:29
You seen that Usmanov has also sold his shares in arsenal today as well? 🤔.

{Ed025's Note - it means nothing to us at this time jj mate..

07 Aug 2018 09:09:51
bw2412. Never noticed people complaining during the days of us winning 1-0 and not conceding, nobody seemed worried during our dogs of war days. Us Evertonians are a very fickle bunch.

{Ed025's Note - we are famed for it DFS..

07 Aug 2018 09:42:29
I was there through all those times we were winning 1-0 (although there was plenty of drawing and losing through those times too) . I can assure you there was plenty of complaining and worrying 😂.

{Ed025's Note - i remember it well mate..

07 Aug 2018 10:04:15
You are right to a certain degree DFS but imagine the site today with Big Sam still in charge. Do you honestly think there would be the optimism (albeit totally unfounded yet) around the way the team is taking shape.

Give us our moment of hope. We might even win some games 2-0 with this team and 2 new CD's.

07 Aug 2018 10:10:42
I was there as well very low scoring games grounding out results think the biggest cheer at Goodison was if we scored a second. Got to say still miss most of those players Joe Parkinson was one very underrated signed from Bournemouth I think not a big signing but put a shift in every game.

07 Aug 2018 11:13:28
It's all a matter of perspective. The dogs of war days and to an extent the Moyes Era came off the back of some of the worst years in recent memory. So scraping the 1-0s more often than losing was a success. Whatever anyone thinks of Martinez and Koeman both gave us 1 season each where we truly dreamed of success and that is the expectation Silva has to deal with now, and why we wouldn't accept Big Sam no matter what the results were.

07 Aug 2018 15:39:19
They may not have been the most gifted footballers but you couldn't fault them for not putting a shift in.

07 Aug 2018 06:27:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 7th August 2018

07 Aug 2018 08:10:09
Usminov has a deal to sell his shares in Arsenal supposedly. Let the conspiracy go into overdrive!