Everton Banter Archive April 07 2018

07 Apr 2018 19:13:14
Allardyce: "West Brom were above us when I got here. Look where we are now and where they are.

" Everton were 13th and West Brom 17th after David Unsworth's final game.

07 Apr 2018 19:50:19
Sam is knows nothing? 🐋.

07 Apr 2018 20:02:20
I wanted him Stig to do a job that job is done so I reckon the pay off on an 18 month contract will be worth it. His comments on Calvert today were quite frankly thoughtless and just go further to undermining a young man's confidence. Martinez would not criticise his Squad in public and I have to admit while overhyped at least built up the young up and comings self esteem, if only he could have got his ego around sorting out our defence he may well still be in charge. I still believe Fonseca has bigger offers and for me Dyche is the one we should lay out for.

07 Apr 2018 20:10:57
But are we not 9th now? just 2 points off 8th? Yes I know Sam talks himself big all the time. but surely you can see there has been an improvement in the squad? is Coleman back, Jags back, Baines back and the signings of Tosun and Walcott. Can't you be happy with that? Or do you have to blame Sam A for the Tories, EU and everything associated with negativity?

07 Apr 2018 21:00:12
I wasn't there but listened to it on the radio, by the sounds of it, Sam was trying to push them forward and get them attacking, sometimes it's the players who need to take the flack not just the manager, we got a point and should of won it,

07 Apr 2018 20:48:36
degsyp, I'm hoping you have been on the sauce as we have improved very little. if anything to do with Sam it's down to getting Baines Coleman and jags fit. now you all throw tosun and Walcott in stating they are Sam's signings well that isn't true both Sam and Walsh have to agree on signing a player and my guess is they were more to do with age ts offering them about or the clubs scouts to be down to Sam and as you asked nothing has improved under Sam. we have been nothing short of terrible.

07 Apr 2018 21:39:06
I think you know the answer Degsy. Why would anyone be happy with 9th, negative tactics and a man that is willing to accept any praise he doesn't deserve and blame others for when things go wrong.

He also doesn't help himself by talking about himself in every press conference. DCL came on today and transformed us. It would have been nice for the lad to get a nod for that rather than his miss being the highlight as ducks said.

He done some things right today and the substitutes were really good ones. Although Yanick should have been dragged off after 10 minutes. If you think his style of football though is what Everton is all about then I'm afraid you're very, very wrong. That's why we won't be happy.

07 Apr 2018 21:10:21
Unsworth beat West Ham, something that Allardyce and his fans forget. I don't think our form would of been different than it is now as I think Ed001 eluded to the other week. Hats off to the bloke, were in the top half but I think most of us are sick of arrogant interviews and press conferences as well as dire football and no ambition from him. Baines and Coleman were already coming back and I believe that the club would of tried to sign both players without Allardyce.

07 Apr 2018 21:54:20
degsy yes we are 9th and 2 points off 8th. Another way of looking at it is that we are a game ahead of those just behind us and once those games are played we could well be back to 11th.

07 Apr 2018 21:46:17
Finally managed to watch the whole game (non TV related) . What is plain to see (and probably why Tosun is constantly berating his team mates) is the huge amount of space in front of our back four that Liverpool were able to play in at will. What ever happened to the basic concept of closing players down and denying them space.

08 Apr 2018 03:53:20
Allardyce needs to go - period

He is negative, the team is never set up right and he hasn't any man management abilities.

Coleman and Baines coming back were massive pluses for him and for us. the rest is dire football with no ambition.

08 Apr 2018 10:05:57
Bluey interesting you say SA and SW have to agree on signing a player, Something I have said for a while now. It has been a long standing thing with a few members and posters here that SW signed all of the players when RK is here, Most agree that it was SW who signed the players under SA.

Funny how things get changed about to fit in with your own arguments.

08 Apr 2018 10:30:00
Please please stop backing allerdyce up, he's not good enough to manage Everton, its getting boring listening to now. He hasn't got the tactical nous to play the kind of football to take us forward. Forget about who signed who. The football is terrible and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't really know their football very well.

08 Apr 2018 11:37:55
I'm not sure who was responsible for Walcott but as for Tosun, Allardyce had only been in charge 3 or 4 weeks before he signed. Walsh knew we needed a number 9 desperately, by the 3rd or 4th week of the season. Logic says the Tosun deal was being processed before Allardyce even come on board.
Walcott could be a Walsh or Allardyce signing, who knows.

What we are seeing with Allardyce now he has his feet under the table is, he certainly knows how to send a team out to keep clean sheets, and this is why he has been so successful doing what he's done. What he doesn't have the knowledge or experience doing is setting a team up to play any other way but defensive.
Let's just thank him for what he has done and move on in the summer.

08 Apr 2018 11:50:11
Now now OllBlue No one has backed him in this thread. I merely commented on Bluey who happened to say, and I quote, " now you all throw tosun and Walcott in stating they are Sam's signings well that isn't true both Sam and Walsh have to agree on signing a player "
Why do you not choose to make comment on that poster yet choose to comment when someone else repeats it?
So Please stop moaning we all know your views on SA and you repeating it time and time again is actually becoming boring, just as it was with my constantly repeating of my support of him. It seems right that I stop yet OK for you to continue, something slightly wrong there.

08 Apr 2018 11:51:36
In Koemans own words he said he identified areas where he needed players. Walsh would go and get the players he felt best suited what Koeman wanted.

There is always input from the manager but Koeman said he preferred the footballing side of it. It was the first time I'd heard a manager not want to get involved in picking players but by all accounts it quite common in Europe.

08 Apr 2018 11:52:32
I have never said once grumpy that one or the other signs players I have always known they both have to agree so not sure what your on about that I change things to fit my argument do you want to explain that to me please.

08 Apr 2018 13:17:57
No Bluey I just can't be bothered to at the moment.

I can't be bothered to post any more on this thread.

I can't be bothered to cover ground that has already been covered in depth.

The only thing that does bother me is folk accusing Degsy of being on the "sauce" because he see things differently to others. I wonder who did that?

End of conversation for me.

08 Apr 2018 13:27:32
Grumpy
I think it was you who misses the point. You can see from Blueys post above he has always said it was Sam and SW who picked players. You were wrong to accuse him of saying different just so you could make some obtuse point.

At the end of the day Sam will not/ cannot take us forward so please stop the bickering, apologise to Bluey, and think about what is best for Everton for the future.

08 Apr 2018 13:37:46
Grumpy my reply wasn't to your comment for a start mate, even though it appeared straight after yours. And I don't constantly post about Allerdyce, I join in on threads when the topic is the manager or style of play. Try and stop getting p*ssed off with people for voicing their opinion.

08 Apr 2018 13:41:59
to me Grumpy you seem to want to cause an argument with as many people as possible which is very sad when we all support the same team and it was a simple question because I had been on the sauce when I wrote that it wasn't a nasty comment you are trying to make something out that isn't there in future I will give you a wide berth as I like to have conversations with people who have a different view to my own degsy if my sauce shout offended you I'm sorry it wasn't meant to grumpy you can choose ya next target as I will gladly not read anything you write in future.

07 Apr 2018 18:25:31
Another game closer to the dismissal of Negative Gravyman. Liverpool basically play with wingbacks yet we offered nothing on the flanks, with Walcott not getting a sniff due to the negative midfield and Bolasie being a show pony. Tom Davies has been out of form for weeks yet again he started, don't know what Davy Klassen has to do to get a start! Today was another chance missed to end the run of not beating them but with his tactics of do nothing for 80 minutes and then hope they tire and make mistakes we were never going to win. All in all, same stuff, different day.

07 Apr 2018 20:50:09
i have to stick up for Tom Davies who i thought had a good game today he pressed and used the ball well I'm not sure what else you want a 19 year old to do.

07 Apr 2018 22:38:15
bluey79 I have a 11 year old Grand Son who not only closes players down but can pass the ball through the eye of a needle whether that is into space for the runner or to feet. No magic about it just practice, practice, practice. Young Tom's passing stats today were down around the 50 percent mark, that is quite frankly appalling. The lad is a dynamo but he needs nurturing.

{Ed025's Note - he is young and we have to be patient DFS, not the brightest star in the sky by any means but i still see him as one for the future mate..

08 Apr 2018 11:33:18
Your grandson isn't playing in the prem though is he, against men who are professional footballers. No idea what your comparison is meant to prove.

08 Apr 2018 19:17:29
I want him to merit his place and be in the team due to being in form and deserving that place. Fans are all for the oh he's a young lad and local so let's get behind him even when he's not playing well, but then jump on Martina for every misplaced pass. I like Tom as a player and he is going to be a decent player but ATM he doesn't warrant a first team place, he goes backwards and sideways and gives the ball away too much, its clear his confidence is shot so take him out the firing line. He didn't really have a break in the summer either so maybe that has hindered him too.

07 Apr 2018 17:28:38
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Everton vs Liverpool April 2018 Derby Review

07 Apr 2018 15:40:55
Throughout the week most on here were saying that no matter what team Liverpool put out against us we would be well and truly beaten, so now we have a point the general feeling is that we were only playing against the reserve side.

Now correct me if I am wrong here but in the case of the top sides and the limited amount of squad players allowed, do they not play a few of these "reserves" in the CL? I don't think the regular team gets played in every single game.

Now if Liverpool decided to sell off the reserve team I feel every single player would be snapped up.

Do you know how many of this reserve team actually beat Man City?
Klarius
Lovren
Van Dijk
Henderson
Milner
Mane
Wijnaldum (on as a sub)
Solanke (on as a sub)
Oxlade-Chamberlin ( Used as a sub today played full against city)
Alexadre- Arnold ( Used as sub today played against city)
Ings ( On the bench against City )
Masterton (on the bench for both games )

So the majority of players who made City look very ordinary were in fact playing against us today. We actually got a result against the odds today, I wish we had played against the reserves we may of beat them.

07 Apr 2018 15:53:54
What did you think of the game Grumpy?

07 Apr 2018 15:58:17
Good shout mate.

07 Apr 2018 16:29:32
I think most of us are a bit happier.

07 Apr 2018 16:56:59
I'm very happy with the result Degsy mate, would of been happier with the win, let's be realistic most of us would of been happy with a draw if offered before kick off.

Thanks GB mate.

07 Apr 2018 20:22:12
Good shout grump. I thought we battled well today. Ye with a bit more quality we would have won the game but being realistic with this season it was a very good showing and i'm proud of the team today. Keane hasn't exactly impressed this season but I thought he was brilliant today and jags. I enjoyed today.

07 Apr 2018 13:29:47
Better than the City game so far but they need to get at them more and do more when they have possession. Yannick was u/ l with his effort on goal but his general play could be better, especially his defensive duties. Dare I say Shneids is doing okay. I hope Sam doesn't make them play too safe second half as I think with one or two tweaks we could actually get something out of this game. 🙃.

07 Apr 2018 14:25:18
Oh well, Liverpool were far from at their best but we just couldn't find the answer to break them down. Clean sheet and another point though so not all doom n gloom.

{Ed025's Note - we have to remember that this was liverpool reserves though BigH, a points a point but still very poor for me mate..

07 Apr 2018 14:48:22
we had 12 touches in Liverpool’s penalty area in the last 10 minutes (plus added time) - 5 more than they had in the first 80 minutes.

07 Apr 2018 14:52:22
I am left strangely apathetic by that display. We didn't try and win until the last 15 minutes against Liverpool reserves yet part of me says at least we didn't lose.
Substituted Rooney and Davies for Baningamie and Gueye so we were left with not one, not two but three defensive midfielders yet our best chances came after the substitutions. Was that a chance lost or a good performance against a better team, albeit their second eleven.

On balance I think we missed a chance.

07 Apr 2018 15:55:59
Literally last minute unable to attend the game today (stuff happens and more so the older you get) , so unable to give my usual well balanced report hrrmmmffff. Anyone giving an honest player stats would be appreciated.

07 Apr 2018 16:22:55
We had a go mate, and that's about it, we still poor but we didn't get beat so I am happy, is that how bad we are now, happy with a 0:0 at home, sad mates.

07 Apr 2018 18:30:19
Just come out from hiding behind the sofa. Ahh bliss, now I can face my boss on Monday and punch the air :-)

07 Apr 2018 17:56:25
Oh I agree Ed025, it was poor and as you say against what amounted to their second stringers. Just looking for any positives I can get I guess. Under different management I think the outcome and effort would have been better so under the circumstances a point isn't too bad.

{Ed025's Note - it was what i expected BigH, we are not good and they played a weak side so all in all it was a fair result, i have to be honest i expect more from my team than to just make the numbers up mate..

07 Apr 2018 20:26:52
Okay ed there was quality missing but we just aren't set up right this season at all. So for me, to put up a fight, control parts of the game, defend well and cause a threat is a good showing. The main improvements have to wait until summer when we can recruit a new manager and players but for me we done well with what we have. Plus we have not alwaysss showed fight and determination this seaon, I lover a tryer.

{Ed025's Note - i feel you are being too complimentary tit, if liverpool,s second string can hold their own against us mate then its a very sad day in our history for me mate..

08 Apr 2018 00:54:42
I think it shows how far our expectations have dropped this year that we feel 0-0 is a good result and yes, I would have taken it if offered it before kick off.
At the start the Everton fans tried to copy what the pool fans had done to Man City, booing them when in possession. They had to stop because they were all losing our voices as the pool passed it around without any pressing from the players so you can't fault the fans for their support
Low expectations? Same regarding Scheiderlin, he was OK but that's all. He wasn't a game changer but I guess we must be glad of small mercies.
Bolassie? Hasn't a final ball in him most of the time and ill disciplined in his play.
We missed a chance to beat them because we didn't believe we could until the last 10 minutes.

07 Apr 2018 13:20:01
Best opportunity in years to win a derby but we are yet again one paced to slow and sitting to deep!
Why oh why do we not use Walcott more?
Rooney and Schneiderlin no effect on the game, we again look clueless and devoid of any confidence!

07 Apr 2018 14:43:55
Thought Morgan played better myself.

07 Apr 2018 15:01:06
He was at least as anomalous as the rest GB which is a vast improvement on most of his performances.

07 Apr 2018 15:02:35
Same here Guernsey far better than Bolasie who was awful.

07 Apr 2018 15:19:50
Can't argue with that Lee.

07 Apr 2018 15:22:12
defo Lee mate.

07 Apr 2018
New image uploaded to the
Everton Player Sightings page entitled, Everton motto

07 Apr 2018 12:01:19
God Almighty Schniderlan in. Why why why.

{Ed025's Note - its bloody mindedness by allardyce aussie, he knows the fans dislike him and is showing us that he decides who plays...the sooner he is gone the better mate..

07 Apr 2018 12:24:51
Definitely ed.

07 Apr 2018 13:17:07
hes playing better today.

07 Apr 2018 13:21:51
He will say he has no options personally I would rather play the youngster Baningime he might at least put a few tackles in.

07 Apr 2018 21:35:38
Ed25 knows my views on Schnids and lack of effort, he had a good game today, credit where credit is due, he’s took enough flak in the past and rightly so, so only fair to give the guy credit for at least putting a performance in today. like I said last week, hopefully him being dropped for a few games previously, I said it could be the kick up the arse Schnids needed, todays showing is a start.

07 Apr 2018 08:15:24
As long as the lads go out on the field and fight for the badge and have a go ill be happy let's not turn over easy coyb.

{Ed025's Note - i agree callum, but i dont want us to just kick lumps out of them which has been the norm, but that will depend on how sam sees it mate..

07 Apr 2018 06:15:50
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Saturday 7th April 2018