Everton Banter Archive October 05 2013

05 Oct 2013 18:34:27
Not a great performance but without Gibson, Barry and Pienaar we were always going to be too light in midfield. Who else could have played there? - Heitinga! No thanks. We need to manage our own expectations - we have had a relatively easy start but we will have an enjoyable season, with some ups and downs. A top six finish will be great. Joe

Yeah we've really missed Pienaar this season. Only yanking your chain, admit the other two we really do miss. Need at least one of them fit.

05 Oct 2013 18:01:51
I think in january jonny and jela need to go with a striker and winger coming in as pienaar tends to slow down play, naismith is a load of my arse and deulofeu is very unreliable I personally would go all out for ben arfa but it won't happen unfortunately just something more and a bit of pace and flair on the right aswell as the left is what we need, osman is crap and jelavic is done so another striker is also a must and jordan rhodes would be my choice but anything could happen but we undoubtedly need some more players

Mike-Ox Long

How is Deulofeu unreliable?

He has yet to start a match in the Prem, but whenever he has played (as a sub in the Prem and as a starter in the cup) he has always looked dangerous, with the exception of today when, let's face it, no one in that second half looked any decent. Admittedly, he will occasionally over-run the ball towards the byline and lose it on the edge of the opposition's box once once or twice, but when he doesn't he always make a chance and is a pleasure to watch, especially when he beats his man and whips a wicked low ball across the goalkeeper/defenders for our attackers. Plus, he's 19, so you can't expect him to be 100% perfect - even when he's in his prime you can expect him to be 100% perfect.

I agree with most of your post, but I think you were smoking something very iffy when writing that part about Deulofeu.

05 Oct 2013 20:06:11
I was being harsh keith on deulofeu what I mean is once he makes a mistake he doesn't learn ye continues to do the exact same thing he is talented and a joy to watch but when he does too much once and barry or whoever is there tells him not to do too much deulofeu will not listen and continually do too much and it will end up costing us vital points, he needs to find what suits him and what suits the teams situation at the time not trying to take everyone on and losing the ball repeatedly when a pass to someone in a better position who can create a chance would be the better option, he needs to rely on his team mates and trust them rather than relying on being faster than all their team and giving it away.

Mike-Ox Long

'Plus, he's 19, so you can't expect him to be 100% perfect - even when he's in his prime you can expect him to be 100% perfect'.
Does this make him unreliable?
I'm not so sure that constitutes being unreliable but I think the point he was making was, you never know exactly what you're going to get with Deulofeu, he rarely tracks back, loses his man all to easily and plays for himself. He was anonymous today, misplaced several straightforward passes (but so did everyone else today), but he does have that moment of genius in him.
I'd say he's unpredictable more than unreliable, though he has both traits.

I think the 3rd replier hits the nail on the head. He is more unpredictable instead of reliable. I see where you're coming from Mike, but I guess it was just the way your post was worded, or perhaps the way I interpreted it. Either way, the 3rd replier sums it up.

"Osman is crap" cause we lost! Getting boring now. That's why a lot of managers have picked him in there first eleven week in week out then?! They are football managers and we are football fans. Who would know better? I say get off his back. I could hand pick 5 or 6 players who were worse than him today. Joe 1878

06 Oct 2013 01:14:39
Not basing him being crap off todays performance as he has been poor for a while and he has only been in the starting 11 as gibbo was injured mccarthy only just joined and barry not allowed to play all our matches this season has had one of them scenarios in, grow up mate osman should be fifth choice now.

Mike-Ox Long

By the way joe.moyes, hodgson and bobby are the only managers to pick osman.i wouldn't say that's alot.but osman in 1st half was one of our better players

I'd say that's enough dentielad. The England manager, the now United manager and the new Everton manager! Like I say that's why we don't pick the team.Joe 1878

06 Oct 2013 11:41:55
If gibbo was fully fit, barry could play and mccarthy had settled in completely osman would not have started, hodgson loves him so much he was put on the bench vs san marino or moldova when he got his second cap might I add he only has 2 caps so yep hodgson loves him, moyes chose neville over barkley, if you would agree with him on that too then well that is quite funny, as I said if we against newcastle had gibson fully fit osman would not have started why can people not see he isn't good enough anymore.

Mike-Ox Long

05 Oct 2013 15:39:44
better team in the first half but outplayed by the better team second half, ref didn't help either, he was useless, we move on. coyb

What was so disappointing bout the second half was how much space we gave them say what u like about moyes but he knew how to set up to beat city when he was at everton they wouldn't have got an inch but this is robertos way and he will not change

It's all well and good saying that under moyes we would have won today. But under moyes we would not have beaten Chelsea, would have drawn against Newcastle and probably would have accepted a draw against West Ham.

Under bobby we will win the games that last season we would have bottled.

COYB
Toffee ace

Remember he beat them at Wembley with different tactics

05 Oct 2013 14:52:55
sorry!. but Naismith should never wear a everton shirt again, bog standard league 2 player.

Done better than mirallas today, wasteful in possession when it was an easy pass

To all out there please tell me what osman and naismith bring to the table.osman is so out of his depth come on RM let's get a bit of pace and energy into our team.

Ive defended naismith but no more not up to premiership afraid the same aplies to osman would have liked to have seen abold step like lunsdrum don't know if he's on loan but some one on them lines who opposition don't know there game inside out, don't know what oviodo as to do to get agame with injuriesand barry not aloud to play ref was baised was 1 crumb tom efc

05 Oct 2013 14:40:51
Beaten by a much better side today no need for doom & gloom, as we play more teams each week the league will settle down and teams will be were there quality dictates and the blues will be between 5th & 8th

Between 5th and 8th aim high why don't u nooot!

Why? Do you think we WILL finish higher than 5th?
We all want to finish 1st but that doesn't mean we will and after what I have just watched I think we will do very well to finish 5th with this squad

Aim high always aim high negativity is a killer u don't see spurs r liverpool fans saying they'll finish 5th champions league should always be the aim

Finishing 1st should be the only target at the start of the season and I wouldn't except anything less from the manager or the players but that said I also know enough about football and great Everton sides after following the blues home and away since 1981 to know for a fact we will not win the league this season

S1878

Don't disagree with that, S1878, but when Lukaku put us in front today I dared to dream.

It's always good to dream my friend

S1878

05 Oct 2013 14:38:57
poor games by Osman and Naismith - but the whole game has been decided by the referee - who has been appalling - why do we not surround him and complain at these awful game changing decisions? :(

Agree that the ref was bad but as you say to many below power performances osman not consistent enough naismith give up he gave no protection 2 coleman at all and he was poor

They were all very poor, aside from McCarthy. Mirallas, Osman, Barkley, Lukaku (goal excepted), were diabolical. Naismith, what is there left to say about him, pathetic. How he's a footballer i'll never know. Jags doesn't look very comfortable either and can play much better.
The referee didn't help either, Silva should have seen at least 3 yellows, Milner maybe sent off, we should've had a nailed on penalty, theirs was a bit soft.
All in all, we didn't deserve anything, very poor second half, but with a bit of luck could've left with a point.
Still early days though, hope we don't have many more days like that, too many soft goals conceded.

Really think jags is struggling with this style of play

Did you mention osman. call specksavers for a appiontment,

05 Oct 2013 12:39:14
For the first time I will be supporting City starting to detest Everton and there laughable fans. UTD will always take your best people away its what we do deal with it.

You're 12th in the Premier League. Period.

Have you heard yourself.in the whole premier league the fans of other teams prefer us over you mancs.your not very appealing now with gollum in charge.12th in the prem. Massive club.luck up DELUDED in the dictionary.It will have Manchester United fans written underneath. Rubbish defence, bad midfield and rely on rvp and rrooney.if you constantly going to everton for players what does that tell you.and if your statement is true thenwhy is baines pplaying for us instead of you.

What would like me to do, beg you not to support city or would you like a Fredo and a bag of pick and mix for supporting city?
And if you're taking our best players, what does that say about your lot?
This has 'I'm bored sitting in my mum's spare bedroom with no friends, so i'll post nonsense to get a reaction' written all over.
However, I feel I must offer my Congratulations for most preposterous comment ever.

The circle of life.your like musafa the old lion who had it so good for so long but old farther time caught up.and the young simba took over.no more trophys for you. THE CIRCLE OF LIFE.

Please stop using that awful American terminology Keith, makes me feel sick.

05 Oct 2013 02:42:33
I've always liked 'the mad chelski manager' if for nothing else other than when he said he'd never manage the red side, however his latest comments are from a man clutching at straws and smacks of the desperation of someone who realises they made a massive error in letting the beast out on loan. but he is trying to cover it up with back peddling, metaphors and analogies, does he not realise that we all see through him by now! Look at whet he's left with,!

Ba, 2 dodgy knees, and doesn't even make the team bus these days.

Torres, runs around like a headless chicken trying to find the form he left back on Merseyside, someone should tell him he's looking in the wrong place.

Eto, was an absolute legend, but he signed for Angi a couple of years ago for money and money alone, when he could still have made massive money but signed for a top European club, (and left when the money ran out too)

These 3 do not play for the jersey, the fans or the players next to them, they play for the huge pay check.

Now I've nothing against players making as much money as they can, but don't ever compare Playing and scoring for Everton to Chelski, we back our players and team no matter what, we cheer from start to finish, we've never had to 'buy' our success. Lukaku has the chance to become an immortalised legend at Goodison,! everyone who puts on that blue knows what it means and it shows!

So jose be quiet, you messed up, you let the one striker who wanted to actually play for you go, and he is now appreciated and adored more than he ever will be in his entire career, I personally feel that letting Lukaku go on loan wasn't your biggest mistake, letting him come to Goodison was! because once the blue toffee blood touches you, there is nothing else like it and there is no way back!

COYB
IBWT
NSNO

Good post that Kurajan, very inspirational.

BitterBlue

05 Oct 2013 09:13:58
Nice one K