Everton Banter Archive November 05 2017

 

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05 Nov 2017 19:27:30
well Ed 025 just watched the first of two programmes on Panorama what a can of worms that has tuned up, this is one story that won't go away anytime soon mate, what's your take on it.

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{Ed025's Note - i have not seen it yet GB but i will let you know tomorrow mate..

06 Nov 2017 03:36:43
This has nothing to do with Everton. Does it matter where he got the money from to purchase Arsenal shares? Plus he no longer had any shares in Arsenal when he bought Everton because he'd sold them beforehand. Smells like someone with a grudge against Usmanov is just trying to stir the brown stuff.

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{Ed001's Note - this has nothing to do with a grudge, don't be so childish. It is the leak of legal documents relating to tax havens offshore that has seen a number of dodgy deals come to light.

It has everything to do with Everton if Usmanov does own both as it opens up a very real possibility of match fixing, as well as other things such as dodgy transfers. That is why people are banned from owning two clubs in the first place.

Remember at the time of the takeover it was reported in Russian media as Usmanov buying Everton because that is who paid for it. Then ask yourself where Moshiri's 'wealth' came from? His original purchase of Arsenal shares, that he is supposed to have sold to Usmanov, was paid for by Usmanov. Possibly just in case he managed to acquire enough to require him to make a takeover bid under stock market rules, he could this way split it between 2 'owners' and so hold double the amount of shares. The only people who really know for sure are Moshiri and Usmanov but Moshiri's wealth is an unknown quantity. He was Usmanov's accountant that is all of a sudden referred to as a billionaire but he has not put any of his own money in anywhere. Everything bought by him has been paid for by Usmanov. Not that it is necessarily dodgy in itself, it could be just Usmanov buying gifts for a loyal hardworking employee and friend. However, they have not been open and honest about it all, which casts doubt on the motives and methods.

Just imagine the next time Arsenal need the points to make the top 4 and they face Everton and win comfortably, would you not be worried that Usmanov has exerted pressure? He is an Arsenal fan after all and could potentially own both clubs.}

06 Nov 2017 05:33:24
He owns 30 percent of Arsenal, he owns nothing of Everton. Those are the facts. All I will say is that the Usmanov's of this World are very very clever people with extremely powerful friends. We need to be very careful indeed what we put down in writing. This and other pages of the same ilk are rumour pages, we are in very real danger with comments such as some I have read of bringing down very real harm to EFC.

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06 Nov 2017 06:30:19
Bigdunc. I think I share the same stance as you. makes an interesting read though. and I suspect that the f. a. may review the material.

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06 Nov 2017 07:35:07
So Usmanov says to Moshiri, you have to lose. Moshiri tells Bill we have to lose. Bill tells Unsy we have to lose, and Unsy tells the team we have to lose. The team reply, easy boss we are good at doing that. Simple really when you think about it.

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06 Nov 2017 08:09:08
If we're playing along here. it could be a case on someone 'carrying a knock' and a club doctor stating that they are still not fit. in any case it seems very elaborate. On a slightly different note. Why would a man worth £12bn, want to own a majority share in two clubs. and further do it secretly. it's not as if he could brag about his other club winning anything. Also if the other club was for other financial reasons. I'm sure there would be less high profile ways of achieving those financial goals. then again what do I know.

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{Ed001's Note - to make money. Arsenal gives him a good return, Everton could do the same. If there is one thing a man with all that money wants it is more money.}

06 Nov 2017 08:33:17
Absolutely Ed. as I said 'what do I know'. you could say. that's why the man is worth £12bn! In any case, the proposed evidence does make an interesting read, and conjures all kinds of conspiracies.

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{Ed001's Note - it won't come to anything though either way. The FA will sweep it under the carpet.}

06 Nov 2017 08:39:54
Ed, what could it all mean for Everton and arsenal IF the claims were true?

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{Ed001's Note - honestly I don't think it will come to it but the worst case scenario is he has to sell one of the stakes.}

06 Nov 2017 09:29:57
Ed love the match fixing idea I've always thought there was some thing dodgy about the Arsenal fixture. I don't suppose you know any ManU or Reds owners in the same situation owning Everton shares it would certainly explain a lot!

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{Ed001's Note - hahaha no mate. Though it would make sense of the way you performed at Anfield last time out.}

06 Nov 2017 12:02:48
My opinion Ed001 is just that an opinion. It's no more childish than your ludicrous suggestion that everyone at Everton would collude and deliberately throw a game.

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{Ed001's Note - are you capable of reading? Or are you too busy trying to whine about how the whole world is colluding against you? So you think Panorama and the BBC are colluding against Everton but the suggestion Everton might collude with anyone is ludicrous? The fact you are too stupid to understand I was explaining why it is an issue, not suggesting it would happen says it all. You tinfoil hat is obviously too tight.}

06 Nov 2017 12:36:26
Resorting to insults eh. Pathetic. Well maybe you're the one who needs to learn to read. Did I say the BBC and Panorama were colluding against Everton? No I didn't. The first mention of any collusion was by you.

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{Ed001's Note - really? So this someone with a grudge is what exactly? Apart from a figment of your imagination of course. Obviously you do not even understand what is being discussed or where the allegations are stemming from, so this is pointless. Try doing some research before spouting off ill formed opinions. As for pathetic, you have summed up your entire contribution very well there, thank you. Just go back to blaming this person with the grudge against Usmanov who has gone to all the trouble of creating millions of documents to be released about thousands of extremely wealthy individuals just so they can 'stir the brown stuff' with Usmanov. Documents that both Usmanov and Moshiri have admitted are real as well, but yes it is just someone with a grudge. Perhaps you should take the time to understand something before gobbing off about it and making yourself look ignorant.}

06 Nov 2017 12:47:22
Apologies if this has been answered before, but what would happen then, if Leipzig finished 3rd in their CL group and Salzburg progressed through their EL group. There's a possibility that they could be drawn against one another.

I know that UEFA found that there was no breach in terms of ownership upon entering the CL, but it seems odd to say the least.

Is it to do with individual ownership as opposed to corporate ownership? I. e. there are a number of major shareholders within Red Bull, so they each would hold different interests as opposed to an individual being a major shareholder?

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{Ed001's Note - I really don't know as they should not be allowed to compete in the same competition according to UEFA rules. I would assume one would have to drop out. At least if UEFA choose to apply their rules they would. It has yet to be put to the test.}

07 Nov 2017 01:35:43
I watched the first part last night and from watching it my understanding is that moshiri was given the shares as a gift from employer to employee this being the case they are moshiris to do whatever he wants with and when he decided to sell he offered them to usmanov which he bought off him as he overall aim is to be the majority shareholder at Arsenal.

Moshiri then bought Everton and the fa have done all checks and he was given the all clear to go ahead with the purchase to me the programme made more out of it than was needed as involving a premiership club makes news which sort of backfired today as no major news outlet have reported anything on it to me it's a nothing story.

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05 Nov 2017 22:55:51
hi all feels so good to get a win finally hopefully we have gained a bit of much needed confidence and kick on from here some very winable games coming up next few weeks couple of wins could put us right back up the table made up for unsy subs really made a difference today young lads done great also great to see how passionate he is for club unlike koeman who showed none yes he not the big name we all want in but is that really what we need right now after todays win i hope he gets few more games think he certainly has the players on side and is not afraid to bring through the youth davies starting beningme bin very good have both over sneid any day lookman lewin both give pace we need finally niasse great pro becoming very important player right now gives 100% and should start next game two wins outta two coming.

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05 Nov 2017 22:28:12
Good to see some positive posts here :) . Glad for you fellas to get that result.

You have Crystal Palace (A) next, I think if you play like your lot did in the second half today against Palace for the full game you'll destroy them.

Today more importantly for Everton in my opinion would of been the boost of confidence, Palace are sitting on bottom of the table, though no game is easy, you will do them I think which could potentially put you up to the 11th position mark. Not all doom and gloom, you had a terrible start but going on that second half things may finally be going your way? - I hope so.

Good luck Everton.

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06 Nov 2017 05:40:16
Cheers Corleone. Unsy is one of us, sure enough. The Cold hearted me says though he should either be a good assistant (get a bit more nounce) or go back to the U23's (done and does a brilliant job) but be able to be listened to. Steve Walsh returned back to his Scouting role and a good DoF brought in. As mentioned earlier it is Dyche or Fonseca for me. Dyche is a known quantity and at present an upgrade in the Moyes mold.

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06 Nov 2017 07:00:42
What we need BigDunc is a manager who can get us playing for 2 halves of football, then we will shoot up that league. The rest is there to be worked with. Niasse could just be the No 9 we need until January, the lad has 4 in 4 in the league and that is not to be sniffed at however unorthodox he is.
Things looking a bit better now so let's get a top manager.

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06 Nov 2017 08:48:36
who you want as your next manager defines your ambition and intention. we have to go for big names in world football to attract the best players dyche would be a good choice only if our ambition is to make the top ten or up to sixth beyond that dyche would not be able to attract the best players that you would need for a top sixth finish. same with unsy he would never be able to attract the kind of players we need to hit the heights at the top of the prem. sad but true we desperately need a squad overhaul with several of our first team squad being told your just not good enough to play. i don't see either dyche or unsy as a saviour of efc. rather more as dyche has done at burnley he would consolidate us as a prem side. beyond that like at burnley he would only be able to achieve so much, with other teams having much better players. no matter if we get dyche or not he is not the man to win us the title in the near future nor is he going to win it at burnley. so ask yourself why would we want him? its a panic button switch. we need a manager who is potentially capable of attracting big players who can get us where we need to be i don't know who that is i just know who it shouldn't be dyche or unsy.
and don't say well the reds appointed backroom people and won things cause when that worked for them they're club was high profile poss one of the best 3 teams in europe and that is what attracts good players and efc is a mile off from that. so we would be relying on unsy's or dyche's profile to get them players in.

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05 Nov 2017 22:20:09
Any eds no anything on schniederlin and mirrallas omission today.

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{Ed002's Note - According to national enquirer.com they had colds.}

06 Nov 2017 01:53:57
I heard they had a fight in training, whether it was physical or not I'm not sure.

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06 Nov 2017 03:39:11
Sky Sports saying it's because of their lazy attitude during training.

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06 Nov 2017 05:43:10
Had to wipe their noses after Unsy gave them a 'chat', probably where the Cold story came from.

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05 Nov 2017 22:19:38
A win is a win - brought back memories of when we played another team that started with "W" and we were 2 down and came back to win 3-2 and stay in the league. on that occasion we had the luck of a dodgy Gk performance from the opposition and this time around we had the luck in regards to a ex-player to miss a penalty

Onwards and upwards.

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06 Nov 2017 00:44:15
" The luck " In brown envelopes.

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05 Nov 2017 21:15:18
i no a lot of supporters were chocker when their 2nd goal went in, but to leave when the team needed you most!

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05 Nov 2017 21:40:32
I was saying this earlier in the week blue. A large proportion of fans only seem to support when the team are winning. Well done to the lads for digging in and showing a great mentality to not only get back in the game but to go on and win it. Perhaps this will be the catalyst to put a few wins together and see those fickle fans return.

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05 Nov 2017 22:39:18
When their second goal went in the couple who sit next to me in the main stand swore loudly then made a big point of walking out; they couldn't have got any further than Goodison Road before Niasse scored our first.
I had a wry little laugh to myself as I pictured them trying to pursade the stewards to let them back in. Their loss, this is Everton, never say never.

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05 Nov 2017 20:57:06
Big thanks Rhino blue forever x.

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05 Nov 2017 20:53:17
Great to finally get a win today but the starting 11 was all wrong again and I'm beginning to wonder if Steve Walsh has an influence in the starting line ups and always has done as DOF? The players at the start were out of position again and it all changed when we brought on pace and an extra forward, the balance was correct when we had 2 wingers on the flanks and not 2 number 10s on the flanks, both of which may I add are signings Walsh had an influence in.
I'm not saying I'm correct in thinking this, its just strange that the team selections and tactics haven't changed much from Koeman, yet he's gone but the DOF is still here.

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05 Nov 2017 20:39:05
Koeman tried his best to get shut of Niasse on the last day of the transfer window, thank God it fell through, where would we be without him scored some important goals and gives everything, well done oumar.

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05 Nov 2017 20:47:23
4 in 4 premiership goals. Better than Lukaku that. 😉.

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05 Nov 2017 20:58:18
like it Smit mate.

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05 Nov 2017 20:22:27
Like lots of us, I was there today. At 65 mins and 2-0 down, the crowd had had enough and some even left. It was not a great performance by us today but we got lucky with gomes going off and his replacement being awful. We finally scored from a corner and niasse fell over to k ock ball in but I'm happy we win. We needed some luck and a result. Unsy will not be I
In charge next game.

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06 Nov 2017 01:34:34
Not sure how you make that out geoffjohno, Niasse was tripped from behind and still managed to get the ball over the line. It should have been a penalty if he hadn't scored. Niasse had a great game and thanks goodness he was not sold in the summer. Yes we had some luck today but we could have scored several more. The win will give the team more confidence and other players will score rather than missing opportunities like they did today.

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06 Nov 2017 07:02:27
Niasse has scored some very important goals but I'm really liking his link up play and his great attitude.

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{Ed025's Note - hes not the most gifted billy but he does bring a lot to the table, he gives 100% every time and is a handful for any defender mate..

05 Nov 2017 20:10:02
Not exactly the greatest performance but well done blues that wouldn't have happened if koeman was still in charge but please stop playing rooney get rid of him we are better without him . and still letting in goals and against a rubbish team.

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05 Nov 2017 20:59:33
think he would best be used as a sub mate.

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05 Nov 2017 21:29:16
Wouldn't say Watford are rubbish, Silva's got them playing some decent football this season.

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05 Nov 2017 19:23:40
That was the best thing that Cleverly ever did for us!

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05 Nov 2017 19:13:12
What a second half made up for baines and us that Wayne poor pass Rooney went off so he could take the pen he better anyway lost my voice it's a grand old team coyb! I can watch motd it's bin to long.

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05 Nov 2017 19:05:36
I honestly don't know what got the loudest cheer, Baines's penalty or Cleverleys! I actually think it was cleverleys. :)

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05 Nov 2017 18:59:05
David Unsworth told BBC Sport: "We've done it the hard way, but showed incredible spirit and fight. The crowd helped us, they were incredible.

"We needed the goal to get us back to 2-1. It would have been easy for fans to go against us at 2-0 down, but the stayed with us and I thank them for that.

"I'm very confident with Leighton, he's taken a lot of penalties. If anyone was going to stick in the back of the net, it was him.

"I couldn't really see their penalty. I thought Jordan would have saved it if it was on target. You can imagine the emotions. We worked so hard and it would have been gut-wrenching for every Evertonian if that had gone in.

"Whatever will be will be. I have been the proudest man in the world to take charge for the last two weeks and no one can take that away from me.

"I know nothing about it. I'm sure I'll speak to the chiarman and owner and I'll keep giving my best for this wonderful club. ".

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05 Nov 2017 19:58:03
Well by hook or by crook he got a win. great feelin.

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05 Nov 2017 18:55:03
Haven't been to a game like that in a long time lads my hearts still beating like mad. What a performance by Niasse his enthusiasm and running alone spurred us on.

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05 Nov 2017 18:44:46
We can get any manager now after that second half, they will be queing up lol.

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05 Nov 2017 18:43:21
Oh yes come at me now the Ev are back with a bang niasse bordering on world class right now. We have the best squad in the league now let's use it. Shame about Koeman though some club is going to get a world class manager. Onwards and upwards.

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05 Nov 2017 18:42:28
So much for Big Sam we have no confidence what does he know.

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05 Nov 2017 18:39:53
WOW! After Bainesy missed and we're 2 down I though uh oh here we go again. Fantastic attitude and fight shown by the lads. Still a lot to sort out but hopefully we can kick on from here. Brilliant result COYB.

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05 Nov 2017 18:37:38
Great comeback today. I said we would win 3-1 but forgot that we always let in two. Now for the new manager and it will not be Allerdyce.

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06 Nov 2017 00:23:26
Few fellas at game today were convinced deals are done for Dyche to us, Allardyce to Burnley and Moyes to West Ham during international break. Time will tell .

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05 Nov 2017 18:35:47
Great win. Well done to the boys to come back from 0-2 down. Really pleased for Niasse and DCL to score. Oh and thanks to Tom Cleverley for missing the pen lol. Did us a huge favour there.

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05 Nov 2017 16:25:29
Stig, Trebor, myself all been watching for a very long time all get called negative for our views, but just we call it as we see it we're not wrong, think Morishi will need to get out the brown envelope we cunningly gave Wimbledon's goalkeeper at half time some seasons back, older posters will remember that, some on here need to visit specsavers.

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05 Nov 2017 18:48:51
I was there mate.

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05 Nov 2017 18:51:37
Some of us have been watching for a very long time too and have a different opinion. And those who are a lot younger may not be wrong either. The beautiful thing about opinion is that it’s not reliant on age.

It’s been a much needed win today and I deserve a decent nights rest because there hasn’t been much lately that’s for sure.

Regarding Hans Segas shocking attempt to keep out Stuart’s back pass. Well I’m sure he tried his best ;)

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05 Nov 2017 16:23:12
At home and no winger to start?

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05 Nov 2017 17:34:44
No lookman, no vilasic. truly baffling.

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05 Nov 2017 17:44:21
What is going on! We Need to get rooney off and put DCL on and lookman. Can't believe there is no vlasic.

All the calls for unsworth as boss as well, just as blind as Koeman.

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05 Nov 2017 18:06:44
Lookman on and the game changes and DCL as well. NOW Come on blue boys!
Amazing what playing players in there correct positions and strikers can do!

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05 Nov 2017 18:11:07
Spot on bluenose. but why not start with this team.

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05 Nov 2017 19:03:30
Only God knows JCL, great 3 points as we really needed them and only 4 points off 10th!

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05 Nov 2017 15:31:50
I am writing this before the team against Watford has been released.

Everton, at this moment in time, are in it up to their necks, and unless changes are made we will remain there. People on these forums are calling for the heads of Walsh, The Board, Kenright and even Moshri.

Now whilst it is understandable to want changes and the heads of everyone at the top, it will never happen, so no matter how many posts are made, crying about a broken Everton, they are only being read by people who already know and think like-wise.

Let us pretend for a moment that the everybody at Everton actually read these forums and acted accordingly, The board resigns, BK resigns, SW resigns, FM resigns, Where does that leave us?

Should those things that many of you are wishing for actually happen, then ladies and gentlemen you will really know what it is like to be in the mire. Everton, as a football club would fold, we would be declare bankrupt within days of it happening as the board, Kenright and Moshri along with the bank will all be taking any monies owed to them out of the club. let's for a moment say that instead of resigning (as a lot of you want) they sell or should I say try to. Who would buy a business with no board no structure that is operating at a loss and is in debt?

Believe it or not, this is to all you naysayers out there, Everton have actually been in worse situations and predicaments than we find ourselves in now. In reality I would say at least a dozen times before, The one thing that we as a club are good at is getting ourselves out of bad situations, we will get ourselves out of this and future predicaments we find ourselves in.

The main difference between this one and previous ones is social media, now social media is never a good thing when things are going bad, people tend to jump from one ship onto another and within hours start demanding things without thinking what would happen if the demands were met. Facts are very often replaced by views that are then mistakenly taken as fact by others. Because of the speed of social media, we the participants, often get frustrated by the seemingly lack of speed in real life, because we are not given minute by minute updates we wrongly assume that nothing is being done, we believe that no one cares.

Now personally I strongly believe that the board, FM, BK, SW do really care about Everton
and the future of the club, no one connected to Everton wants us in this situation, What they must do is concentrate their efforts in finding the right solution for us. We may not agree with what they decide, but one thing will be for certain and that is they will make decisions based on what they perceive is best for the club. What we as the customer and fans must do is to try and support them throughout this turbulent time.

We have become very quick at criticizing and very slow at supporting Everton, maybe this is the way of the future, it is not a way we should be proud of. We have always had really good supporters who have found it in themselves to back the club, sadly that seems to be changing for the worse but for whatever the future holds I will always support all the decisions made, I may not agree with them but I would not demand resignations because of it, I'm just too proud to stoop that low.

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{Ed025's Note - very good read that grumpy...kudos mate..

05 Nov 2017 15:54:20
Think most of what you are saying Grumpy mate is all ready being dealt with, i support Mr Moshiri and the board 100%, may it long continue cheers.

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05 Nov 2017 13:28:54
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new player profile about, Kylian Mbappe

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05 Nov 2017 11:47:24
Hey all,
I imagine over the international break we will appoint a full time manager, and it seems almost inevitable that it'll be Allardyce. I'm not a fan at all after his England shame and was disgusted that he got another job so quick at Palace, but if he is to be our man then we need to stop the (justified) hate by pretty much everyone on here. We can't start a new era with such negativity otherwise confidence within the team will vanish immediately. let's give him a fighting chance to win us over.
I do admit though, i'm quite curious about how he will perform in the transfer market. If Moshiri decides to bankroll a new manager as a lot of the big guys would demand when taking the job, then who could we expect to see interest in? I say this remembering the Bolton signings that made me so envious. Okocha, Djorkaeff, Ivan Campo etc. How on earth did he tempt those guys to join? I wonder if he's a manager who will go all out for so called 'big name' signings, or keep the faith and bring in players he's worked with previously (i foresee Andros Townsend and Zaha rocking up at Goodison in January) .
Anyways, let's hope for a great game today that gives Unsworth a winning send off.

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{Ed025's Note - i myself will have to tolerate him (if appointed) i suppose worcester, i love everton and want the best for them, but i wont be singing his praises or chanting his name anytime soon i can tell you, selling my soul to the devil is not really my bag mate and out of respect for other supporters i will try not to bad mouth the guy if we are doing ok, im afraid thats all i can promise at this time mate and if the worst happens then so be it..

05 Nov 2017 12:15:52
It will be Moyes mate, sorry to say.

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{Ed025's Note - no chance stig..

05 Nov 2017 12:24:12
We will win today 3-1 to stop the rot. Allardyce will not be appointed our next Manager so stop worrying about that. Our next manager needs to be one which we can all be proud of and support.

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{Ed025's Note - i hope you right mike..

05 Nov 2017 13:03:07
I have been a fan for a log time, (Vernon, Dunlop, Temple) first game 58/ 59, but now I am worried, we have dreamers here who think we will pay for a top manager? but we will end up with a fat sam or a moyes, same rubbish managers just move around.

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05 Nov 2017 13:46:55
Wow Stig sane season as me mate and we seem to be on the same wavelength.
I am often called negative on here but without sounding to clever several of my negative comments have proved correct SADLY inc my views on Koeman
Stig I would put it down not so much to negativity but experience and wisdom of our great club .
COYB.

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05 Nov 2017 14:31:45
Will not be Moyes as he will be the next Westham manager.

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{Ed025's Note - i think so too grumpy..

05 Nov 2017 14:44:12
Ditto Grumpy mate.

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05 Nov 2017 15:28:54
Dyche or Silva it will be.

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05 Nov 2017 15:43:19
BlueMike, I hope you are right. I have just choked on my pint, look at that team, where the hell is the width. Looks like Siguurdson out wide again. What is going on.

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05 Nov 2017 16:05:21
I’m liking the team selection. Schneiderlin dropped at last! Think I’m the only Evertonian that still wants Rhino as our manager on a permanent basis. Out of the names being mentioned Sean Dyche is the only other that interests me, the rest are laughable. The favourites surely a massive no! Moyes over Alladyce every day of the year . and some. Don’t want neither but it ain’t up to me. DU should be given at least another 3,4 games but that’s my opinion. If we win today I won’t be the only fan saying this either. COYB!

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05 Nov 2017 17:29:56
If Allerdyce is appointed I'm done after 66yrs. The thought of that greedy, arrogant gum chewing tosser stood on the touchline with an Everton badge on his chest is more than I can stomach. Each to his own opinion though.

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05 Nov 2017 11:17:20
Flying in from Marseille today to watch the game. (No I'm not mad, I had already committed to this fixture prior to season starting) . Hopefully we will see some pace out wide, and pick up what is a critical three point game. COYB!

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{Ed025's Note - safe trip mate..

05 Nov 2017 19:55:11
Well that was a nice surprise. Though at 0-2 thought I would be regretting the journey. In the Titanic hotel having a nice meal and a few drinks with friends and family, then back to South of France and warm weather. Well done the fans today, showed that all they needed was a little hope, and they gave as much as the players.

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Premier League Preview Sunday 5th November 2017

05 Nov 2017 05:04:18
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview Sunday 5th November 2017

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