Everton Banter Archive June 05 2018

05 Jun 2018 22:58:11
Can I ask a question regarding FFP I know there are two different types one for transfers and one for wages so can I ask how wolves will pass it because if it's true they are buying a Def for 35 mill he will be on a pretty hefty wage I'm guessing so just how will they get around it as I know we are pretty safe after selling Lukaku Barkley and stones which gives us a lot a breathing space.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs can get a one year exemption by stating they will be making a one off additional assessment. This needs to be done by December 31 the previous year and Wolves have not done it. If Wolves can offset income from the first year against expenditure then they are fine - and they will have the additional £100M from PL television and additional sponsorship. Wages may prove to be a stumbling block and it will need to be something they address.}

06 Jun 2018 11:15:55
Wolves will pass it by buying players for 10m on Monday and selling for 12m on Tuesday. Who said having a dodgy agent doesn't work.

06 Jun 2018 11:17:19
Good to see you back Ed002, excellent knowledge as always.

06 Jun 2018 06:20:13
Wages are the biggest hurdle I think which is why when we consistently finish 7th we are doing well if you compare our income to the top 6 IE sponsors profit of transfer sales the biggest being the 3 I mentioned that gives us a lot of scope. I hope wolves do well but without becoming a modern day Leeds Ed02 one last question if I may this super agent who has ties with them and basically told Neves he had to join them and now this RB who again has ties with the agent is this allowed and will the premier league watch them carefully.

{Ed002's Note - Right, a very good question. The Football League were asked at the start of the year to investigate the relationship between Jorge Mendes and his business Gestifute and Wolves from a legal perspective, given the regulations surrounding third parties not being allowed to influence transfers. They concluded that as Jorge Mendes and Gestifute was simply an advisor to the club and the owners (Fosun), then all was fine - which it wouldn't be if he were an employee (director etc.) of either the club or Fosun. This was rather a surprise to me at the time, and a surprise to JM as well, as it was expected that at the very least the EFL would have issued some guidance and set down what could and could not happen. Leeds were one of the clubs that raised the original issue and they complained that the EFL had not addressed the matter - only for the EFL to go on the back foot to defend their position and say that they investigated and answered the specific question asked. The surprise to me was that they appear to have considered that Jorge was not employed or a part owner of Wolves and Fosun but completely ignored the ownership of his business Gestifute - which is part owned by a company which is itself owned by Fosun chairman Guo Guangchang. More than a tenuous link I am afraid and one the EFL should have dealt with. INterestingly, under FA rules the Premier League will have an obligation to look in to this matter as well. It will be interesting to see what happens there or if, as I suspect, it all goes rather quiet. In the bigger picture, China will continue to increase their influence over the world-wide game and will look to invest further in to clubs at the high-end of the game.}

06 Jun 2018 11:24:19
I don’t know whether you think the same Ed, but what is transpiring at Wolves right now seems very reminiscent of what happened at Anzhi Makhachkala. Doesn’t seem sustainable to me.

{Ed002's Note - Anzhi took the approach that they would accept UEFA bans from the Champions League/Europa League in order to keep breaching FFP when it first came in - they tried to buy Messi in mid December 2012 when made an offer to Barcelona that matched the €250M release clause that he had at the time. The Russian Football Union too the approach to try to negotiate a salary cap (at the behest of the Government) but it was not being well received. The majority of the clubs were not in an Anzhi-type situation but would generally welcome a reduction in wages. Three Russian clubs (Zenit St Petersburg, Anzhi Makhachkala and Rubin Kazan) were subject to UEFA sanctions at the time (similar in a way to Manchester City and PSG) and two wanted that behind them and were supportive. Anzhi blocked it then in the summer of 2013 the bubble burst. They have recently been relegated.}

06 Jun 2018 15:08:28
Jesus we have missed your knowledge ED02 thank you for the in-depth reply. it's going to be very interesting to see what happens regarding Wolves as I can see a few teams making complaints.

{Ed002's Note - I expect there will be complains as well.}

05 Jun 2018 20:36:57
This is going to turn to rat droppings. The europhoric one's are out in force once again, the same as they were with Martinez (some of us said at the time he was the wrong man at the wrong time then) and with Koeman. Now we have Silva the third in a line of unproven in the Premier League. The latest statement is not rocket science, 'we need two first team players in each position'. That is logic, isn't it.

05 Jun 2018 21:06:53
Sorry dfs but your constant negative posts regards new set up are becoming tedious. We are not euphoric, as you say but most everyone wanted Sam and possibly Walsh gone and now they have and yes, brands and to some extent Silva are unproven in the premier league but at least give them a chance before readying the hangman's noose.
Results may not come immediately but at least performances will improve and this needs to be a long term project over 2 or 3 seasons. (Silva even said as much)

05 Jun 2018 21:09:01
has marco personally wronged u? give him a chance ay.

05 Jun 2018 22:19:26
There is nothing personal whatsoever about my posts. We have yet again appointed a Manager/ Head Coach with no proven Premiership Achievement, is my point. I have heard all these platitudes before and the results are always the same. Allardyce delivered on what the guy was appointed for and even delivered 8th, but apparently his football was not good enough. In case it has escaped everyones notice the premiership is a results based business. So far in the premiership Silva has failed on every point, yet is appointed as the new messiah, questions have to be asked as to exactly where Mr Moshri is getting his advice from. 69 years old, been there, seen it all. I look forward to the new stadium, I appreciate Mr Moshri's input but in my view he needs better advice from true football knowledgeable persons and there is much greater change needed at board room level before this fantastic Club can truly move forward.

{Ed0333's Note - so you want a premiership proven manager leading your club is that correct? One that has had achieved in the Premiership? Who would you realistically advocate? Mancini? Pellegrini? Ranieri? Ancelotti? Conte? Dalglish? Fergie? Out of all those names you’d only be able to get Ranieri and Pellegrini and neither of those two are long term appointments. You should be ecstatic you’ve got rid of Samasauras Rex and be excited about your future because you could have done a lot worse than Silva.

05 Jun 2018 22:21:27
Suggest you live up to your name mate. Adios.

05 Jun 2018 22:33:08
Who would you have preferred DFS that is proven in the PL?

Given the timing and options available, I’m struggling to see who else we could have got in that is willing to work with a DOF and not have full control.

I’m on the fence with how Silva will do but I’m eager to see him give it a go - can’t be as bad as SA. Fingers crossed he will get us playing again and Brands will get in those crucial signings sharpish.

05 Jun 2018 21:12:31
I am honest to God so fed up of your posts that have been on here lately. You have non stop spouted derision about literally everything going on at the club.
I can't believe your a fan because you seem to hate Everton in all that you write! Then when you get a comment you don't like you rant about personal attacks being unnecessary.
I think I speak for 99.9% of true Evertonians when I say. leave the negativity off here and support the future we are building. We are fed up of the constant snidey comments just so you can say 'I told you so' if it goes wrong.

05 Jun 2018 22:57:41
It's not worth it guys. Nothing is going to change his mind and it's his choice. You're the type of fan that drives me mad DFS because your rants are completely unjustified.

If we'd just got trounced 5 nil by Arsenal fair enough but he's not even took a training session yet.

No idea what your problem is as everything you've pointed out is utter tosh like your rant over the 5-6 year contract that never materialised! However, why not just give it a chance.

It is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

06 Jun 2018 07:36:38
Hallelujah BlueJohn mate.

06 Jun 2018 07:41:31
DFS It's sad to see a fellow Evertonian so bitter and twisted and lacking in any optimism.


You say you are 69 so you have 4 years on me but I really hope I never end up as depressed as you obviously seem to be and so intent in seeing the bad in everything.


I hope you are proved wrong and we start to improve as a club because if we don't it will just depress you even more so just for you - COYB prove DFS there really is a shining light at the end of the tunnel. He's obviously had a hard life - he deserves some joy but I'm not sure he will recognise it if it comes alaong.

06 Jun 2018 10:08:09
DFS I do have my concerns over Silva but I think the combination of Brands and Silva together does look very promising indeed. I can see why you are concerned but you need to think a bit more positive. As for choosing our manager. If your priority is they have had to have an achievement in the PL as a prerequisite then you are ruling out every young up and coming coach and limiting you options to a few that have been lucky enough to manage one of five teams that have won the PL. As for the board well we could all do a better job in our own minds but in practice maybe not.

06 Jun 2018 11:13:33
And which proven premier manager that is available would you have DFS?

06 Jun 2018 11:14:28
Great post ducksflysouth I agree with you.

06 Jun 2018 12:43:07
ducksflysouth, who exactly where you wanting mate? don't think pochettino came over to the prem with premiership success did he? you're just trying to put a downer on anything and think everton can get world class managers at this moment in time when in fact we can't. by your logic would you have turned down simeone, zidane, allergi, luis Enrique, and Low? none of them have premier league success?

06 Jun 2018 13:23:03
He want Big Sam back.
Jog on DFS big on.

06 Jun 2018 13:47:46
I think he wanted Kermit or Miss Piggy because I'm sure he's one of those 2 grumpy old men in the balcony of the Muppet Show
No, I must be wrong - they have a sense of humour
Only joking.

06 Jun 2018 13:55:21
I wonder who the other one is dark cloud?

06 Jun 2018 15:52:48
Stadtler and Waldorf.

06 Jun 2018 20:28:49
Silva was not the one I wanted. But he does tick most of the boxes. I am happy we appointed him which does sound mad as I didn't want him haha. But the club have wanted him for a long time and I support and welcome the changes coming. Why not be optimistic? If it goes tits up it goes tits up no amount of early negativity alters that. We have hope and avenues of change. Possibly good times ahead.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree tit mate..

05 Jun 2018 16:55:47
I would not be surprised if there was not some business and a good club relationship with PSV don't be surprised to see a player going on season long loan maybe some young players look at lookman he really benefited going to Germany.

05 Jun 2018 18:56:02
Don't be surprised if we try and get the Mexican player and klaasson goes the other way, makes sence.

05 Jun 2018 20:39:10
TrueBlue, the mind boggles!

05 Jun 2018 11:58:53
Don't Liverpool supporters love a good petition they tried to have the final replayed because of Ramos foul on Salah the type of foul that happens four or five times every game. Now they want it replayed because apparently Karius was concussed if your 8 year old son asked you this you'd understand but these are 50 year old men with big beer bellies wearing a Liverpool shirt stretched to the limit with Salah written on the back who still lives at home with his mum and has never had a girlfriend!

05 Jun 2018 08:28:39
It's widely reported - or Brands and Silva have actually stated - that:
The first-team squad is too big (38 players? ) and must be trimmed down significantly.
The club also wants to reduce the wage-bill.
We only need to bring in a few new players (in key positions) at first-team level.
The aim is to develop young players and bring them through the academy.
So, I can envisage quite a few players leaving (permanently or on loan) this Summer, while the incomings will be restricted to just a few key recruits for the first-team and some promising additions to the U23s.
Some of our fans - especially the social-media keyboard warriors - will complain and many will pounce when the inevitable setbacks occur as Brands and Silva take us forward, BUT we Evertonians must be patient and supportive and not rise to the bait of pundits and other clubs' fans with their own agendas.
Just like the club must do, we too must be strong and have a winner's mentality and not let gloom and doom (or apathy! ) consume us as it so often seems to have done far too long.

05 Jun 2018 09:36:07
There is more quality in our squad than we saw last season. A clear out, 3 or 4 key additions and some additions to the U23 squad and we should see a marked improvement on last season. Remembering that Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs will also strengthen, finishing 7th next year with a more attractive brand of football would have to be seen as progress. Next season is about closing the gap, not winning the lead. If we’re only 6 or 7 points of 4th with 10 games to go, anything could happen!

05 Jun 2018 10:06:57
BobbC1878 that is very well said. I have tried to say similar, but unfortunately my posts come over more negatively and less well put. Thanks for putting it in a positive way.

05 Jun 2018 12:04:26
Well said Bobby. We've got a great opportunity to move forward with real experience in the right areas and some real ambition and drive in others.

It WILL take time and we will need patience. However, we should also get excited as well. Especially on a Saturday afternoon😁😉.

05 Jun 2018 19:40:53
I think we need to get rid of all the fringe players, and maybe williams, Martina, then add 3 or 4 top players, can't change the team to much to quickly or we will have the same as last season.

05 Jun 2018 07:46:23
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th June 2018