Everton Banter Archive January 05 2012

05 Jan 2012 23:31:49
Another example of the poor communication from the club to the fans.

The recall of Shane Duffy has been on the Scunthorpe, and other sites, since mid afternoon?

Nothing yet on the official EFC site?

Very poor show again!

Joe {Ed025's Note - what do you expect joe?...it does not surprise me in the slightest!..

05 Jan 2012 21:57:28
Yes we have had an awful result at home against an awful side but we need to seriously look at our squad yes, its thin but is it awful? - not for me.

Are we using the players in the right places - no

Have we been frustrated watching the turgid stuff this season and subsequently lost to QPR, Bolton, Stoke at home - yes

Is the manager picking the right team - big fat no!!

I believe from Newcastle down we have a competitive first team (If picked and given the freedom to play just a bit!!), granted the striker is not great but at least he'll run around a bit!

Howard

Coleman Jags Distin Baines

Neville

Osman Felli

Drenthe Donovan

Anchiebe


Cahill, Rodwell, Heitinga, Hibbert, McFadden, Saha, Strac, Bily, Vellios, Barkley, Gueye

Mr Moyes you gone stale, we need an injection of spirit, passion and drive and you have lost your way even with a couple of injuries, stop the feeling sorry for yourself and get on with it or its time for you to say good bye, as for the Board tell us what's going on and stop the smokescreens.......

2 players please a striker and a midfielder and a poss a loan centre half based on the Jags injury please - If not tell us its not going to happen and we can all stop looking at the papers, teletext and internet at least we'll have no expectations it's become boring hearing about Pienaar, Krancjar, Rhodes and Maynard. {Ed025's Note - good post that mate...well done!

Couldn't agree more. Spot on post.

Alastair

05 Jan 2012 19:36:08
Going to post this on both Everton and Liverpool site, but a friend seen Wilson Palacios at John Lennon airport, he asked what he was doing around here, in which he replied he lived around the area... It may turn out to be nothing, but watch this space just incase (P.S. I also posted a picture in the sighting section) {Ed001's Note - you do know how close Stoke is right?}

This is the funiest post ever if its for real i nearly wet myself.....theres no name so i will name you....mr bean

Why would he live in LIVERPOOL if he plays in Stoke, doesn't add up

Every time i read this post it cracks me up,i go to anoter page then come back it cracks me up again,the best post ever,a true classic whoever you are please come back with more of the same

It takes 30 mins to get to stoke from john lennon airport...simples

...Have you seen Stoke?!..

He could be in stoke in 45 mins from John Lennon airport get a grip lads

Al blue

Whats so funny lads, I just passed on rumour from a friend, and unlike most that post on these sites, I left a picture to go with it, and to the person who says "theres no name" you haven't left a name either, so the joke is on you.

05 Jan 2012 18:01:13
Hi Ed and the rest of you.
i only post when i think i need to, and i think i need to get my point across as yeah where not playing well at all, (injurys 6 FRIST TEAM PLAYERS), and any team in the world missing 6 players do struggle, i.e Man U lost to blackburn, 2nd point is that we cannot get a consistant first 11 playing week in week out addaping to the ever changing pace and style of the PL every year. Yes i agree that some of our players are miss firing, But wouldn't you want to keep Our team in the PL by playing CRAP football and hopfully we get some investment to inprove our squad, or go out guns blazzing every week and lose, Yes his formation is not the best but if you look at the Squad, we don't have the plays to do that, so lets focus on staying in the PL and get behind the team and SHOW EVERY ONE WHY WE ARE THE PEOPLES CLUB, or is that a motto the all you so called blues fans say when we are winning, As i am proud to be a blue and just glad we are making histroy erey year by staying in the PL(never been relegated) I Know we don't have a Budget, but if Moyes keeps finding Gems like he does Apart from 1 Mistake Billy,
So my Point is GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND STOP SLAGGING MOYES AND THE PLAYERS OFF, AS I BET SOME OF THEM READ THESE SITES AND WOULD YOU WANT TO PLAY FOR A TEAM WHERE ALL THE FANS SLAG YOU OFF.

MY RANT OVER
yorkshire_blue {Ed025's Note - i like that yorkie....the fact is though that a lot of evertonians are concerned that if we dont improve, we may get dragged into that relegation scenario!...some will call it moaning..some will say its concern..

I hate that motto the peoples club it's so small time just like the clubs board.

Ms {Ed001's Note - it is hardly small time, it was Moyes being very clever, I think, using an old Bill Shankly quote as a dig at Liverpool. It shows he has a sense of humour hidden in there.}

On another note hows this sound.... i admit i am going to get slated for this,
what if we where to get relegated?
that would give us 12mil a year in parasute payments,
get rid of all the over earners the boot, and let moyes go out and buy loads of youngters in, and with the ones we have got use them aswell, 1 or 2 years togeather and promation ( 50mil ) plus 12mil a year paying the debts (relegation money) we will have one of the best youngest squads that can better and better, and that 50mil use 20-30 and add the finishing touchers,

I vaule your oppion
and this is just a TOUGHT,
what do you think ed {Ed025's Note - get that thought right out of your head!!..that is the unthinkable!...how can you possibly think relegation could be a positive thing?..we are proud to be the oldest club in the top division, its one of our finest achievements..

If Everton get relegated in their current financial state they will go to the wall as simple as that. {Ed025's Note - i think you are right pal!

I am not saying i want to get relegated, i'm just saying, if you look at it like a bussiness like the way football is going, to wipe off the debt and rebuild using the youth we have it wouldn't be end of the world.

I please Ed you no i don't want us to go down,
Blue and proud
yorkshire_blue {Ed025's Note - as the last poster said yorkie...it would probably mean the end for us!...once you go down, it is very hard to get back up..look at leeds, very big club, huge support, good history..does this ring any bells?.....so yes!..it would be the end of the world..

05 Jan 2012 17:38:45
We should go after Krancjar, Alex/Onuoha, and try and get defoe or pavulychenko on loan and try and agree a pre contract with drenthe {Ed025's Note - your not asking for much!!...give me kranjcar, and a decent centre forward...

Same old names appearing again. BORING. Stop playing champ manager and lets see some names where we know something concrete.

If you were a skilful player would you want to play for moyes? I sure hell wouldn't want too

05 Jan 2012 17:10:03
i have been a big supporter of bk and moysie but i just feel we are going backwards.Bk has to get his finger out and get us a buyer as i feel if this continues eventually we will end up like leeds as other teams are progressing and we are not.I like everyone else have not been impressed with moysies tactics this season but i would like to say over a decade in charge hes done a great job on a very little budget and 2 me hes had one bad season and prob this one aswell .but to me maybe hes trying to prove a point to bk that he needs funds and hes fed up.also try and remember alex ferguson arsene wenger and many more managers have had bad seasons through there careers and moysie is going to have bad ones 2 plus it aint always greener on the other side.On the other had if it doesnt get any better he should go cos its about efc not dm or bk. I would also like to say i have a eleven week old boy and i would love him 2 be a blue like me but i am worried if we continue to be like this he will end up a man u fan or worse like red s##t. I really hope we get a buyer soon. thanks phil {Ed025's Note - you cant compare wenger or fergie to moyes...they have had money to spend...and they have had success!...by the way...if your lad ever comes in with a red shirt on... ship him to the local orphanage...ASAP..

Hi ed my point with fergie and wenger is that they 2 have had bad seasons and like you pointed out they have had money unlike moyes so i dont think we should be to quick to jump on him if he doesnt do it every season cos the grass isnt always greener.i couldnt disown my boy but might have to deck out the shed for him lol

05 Jan 2012 16:37:10
when moyse became are boss him and bk said they had a ten year plan..........well that plan had more cracks than me nans face..........hhy dont we get rid of that round fella hes only on a 1 year rolling contract so it wont cost much and promote big drunk to second in command..he will inspire the lads the way moyse used to ..................g

Clueless

05 Jan 2012 16:19:40
If Moyse had any love for the club, as he suggest's. Why does he not give Kenwright an ultimatum. Give me the Arteta money you promised or am off. Read this now, we will do the same we do every transfer window. We will sell someone in the last hours of the window and then someone from the club will say we bid for so and so but it was too late. The whole club is corrupt from the top to the bottom.

IF HE HAD LOVE FOR THE CLUB HE WOULDNT SAY HE WOULD LEAE WOULD HE

05 Jan 2012 15:37:09
I'm sorry Ed we sit hear reading your negative shot everyday. Was last night performance good? No it was shocking, but what do you expect when Neville and heitinga are in the middle and with fellaini, drenthe, rodell, jagielka, osman and Coleman injured. Please, if 6 key man city players were injured they'd have a s**t game as well, let alone us with a very small squad. And if you say it's not this game blah blah blah we've been playing s**t the whole season.. then why all the sudden have you lost your s**t. I'm one of the most impatient people and even I can understand what is happening and be disappointed at how were playing but still be looking forward to the future and know that we have the right man managing the team. Say we are wearing rose coloured glasses but that's bulls**t because I can see when we play like tripe and it's heartbreaking. But what is worse is going onto an everton fan site and trying simply to understand what you're trying to express - as an editor or even a leader of this site. You can deny it all you want and say that you are right to have your opinion but let's be sensible about it because whether you believe it or not people in some way look up to what you say and take it in; and you can see what it's doing. Because what it looks like is you are wearing some seriously s**tty colored glasses. You say you will make your judgement on moyes and kenright at the end of the season? Yet it's pretty clear that you already have. I usually enjoy reading what you have to say and the different opinions of the rest of us but lately I have not. For the love of the club act as an editor not a man trying to deliver his own message. {Ed025's Note - i apologise if i come across as self righteous..its not my aim, last night made me so angry, and i may have over stepped the mark but like all of you, i am just an evertonian, one voice, i do not wish to influence anybody else,s opinion! but to see the club i love falling from grace, and playing football that is making us a laughing stock is more than i can bear!, im not a happy bunny, and nor should any one be at our club, we need change, and quick, or i feel that we could have one hell of a fall, if i express an opinion, it is just that, my opinion, the same as you!...heres hoping things improve ..cheers

Cheers Ed I appreciate that and I do understand don't get me wrong! It's just a killer when you see people losing faith, especially you! {Ed025's Note - sometimes things get you down mate, a couple of signings will bring me back up!..heres hoping..

Have you not heard of breaking point mate all evertonions have long stretching lazzy band....it somtimes snaps......last night i heard a lot of TWANGS......g

05 Jan 2012 15:12:07
Hi ed its wella again
I think 4-4-2 is the issue ed, as where I sit on the street end most people have been crying out for this formation for ages now especially as we are playing at home. what they fail to see is that this formation is seriously out dated- look at the top 4-6 they play this set up very rarely and still play attractive attacking football. almost all teams that come to Goodison play 4-5-1 so playing 442 leaves us short in central midfield and as all us blues know we are lacking in pace in that position ( even when felli is fit he is slow) .
we are now showing that all our creativity came from peanuts and arteta neither of whom have been replaced, this is why for the time being we should stick with 4-5-1. moyes and his team see training everyday and have been there long enough so they know our strengths and weakness'.I think this is why quite often moyes sets out his teams not to be beaten and hope we can nick a goal.4-4-2 just doesn't work for us particularly when we have neville and johnny as the 2, and the so called king louis up front who looks like he has totally lost interest with our long ball tactics. 4-4-2 is an Engish formation from the 60-70s, now our game is full of foreign players and coaches who have never played this way.
Moyes said at the start vof the season we would be in a relegation fight and I think he is right.Teams have sussed us out at goodison, they park the bus for the first half and very quickly the crowd get frustrated which upsets the team and our game plan goes to pot.In the last 10 years we have played in Europe several times where patience and possession are vital, maybe the coaching staff and players have learned this but the crowd haven't.
One other thing I would like to say is that the fitness of our players does not seem as good as alot of other teams. Even the best teams chase the ball down when they haven't got possession, but we dont seem able to do this for sustained period of time, so maybe the endurance training system needslooking at
My final point ed,is that we need the crowd to stop all the moaning and groaning at the team and get behind them, it can be like an extra man. Like it or lump it this season is about consolidation and stating in the premiership, we are not going to win anything until we have serious investment- wella {Ed025's Note - you sound very knowledgeable wella...our problem as i see it, is that our midfield is not mobile or quick enough to cope in the prem, pass and move is great, but we pass and stand still!!...the set up of 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 makes no difference, it will change throughout the game, the midfield and attackers should be one unit, all looking to get forward when we are attacking, and tracking back when we are defending...our guys seem to think that if you are in midfield you should stay in the area between the half way line and the box!, i agree that we are miles behind the top teams, and for me the main problem is davids reluctance to change! for us to progress, we need to change our negativity and rigid set up, for me this is the job of the manager and coach! if they are not up to the task, we should bring someone in who is!....cheers.

I agree mate, 442 is not the answer, most teams either play 451 or 433 ( both are simliar when defending anyway) we are soo weak and lite in midfield we cant afford to play 442

We should try 4-4-2 one more time against the next week team {Ed025's Note - its weak...like liverpools title challenge...

05 Jan 2012 15:12:51
Gona keep it simple
Moyes OUT
Kenwright OUT
Saha OUT
Cahill (still a legend) OUT
Neville OUT
Johnny OUT
Hibbert OUT
Billy OUT

If not moyes and kenwright which ain't gona happen we should be able to get a striker with the sales of 6 players

Fat blue

Hibbos going nowhere - and how much do you think we'll get for Saha Cahill and Neville? They're worth nothing at the moment. 3m for the job lot from some championship side at most
Neville might be worth keeping to move into the coaching side.
Cahill is approaching his 'Roy Kean' moment, when he's going to fall out with his 'Fergie' (Moyes) for dropping him - but it happens . . .

Heitinger is a useful player to retain as he's adaptable to several positions which we need at everton - he's just not a good mix when played with another defensive midfielder like Neville

I agree on Billy though - 5mil at most?

I wonder why Barkely isnt playing? - he really cant be any worse than Neville - honestly - he'd have to have a broken leg or something to be as bad as neville ffs

05 Jan 2012 14:38:05
Shane Duffy has been recalled from Scunthorpe does not sound good for Jaggers

Will we miss jags?
he's been poor lately as well - panicking on the ball etc - dodgy passes out of defence that go to opposition players - hoofing it to nowhere

Of course we will miss jags, especially when we have no decent cover {Ed025's Note - yes we will.

05 Jan 2012 13:47:11
Ok its been 12 hours since that shambles last night and still i feel like kicking the dog! Why do i do it to myself every week, i look for signs, positives, reasons to look forward to a game, then I looked at the team sheet last night and saw 2 up front and started rubbing my hands in antisipation especialluy after the win on Sunday (not the performance). I thought here's our chance to get the season going and then WHAM a disgracful performance like that puts me in a bad humour for a week.

Every school boy playing football knows that during bad windy conditions you keep the ball on the ground as much as possible, you dont constantly give it to Heitinga who wants to see of he can kick the ball out of the ground!!

The manager has to be able to change the flow of a game with the players at his disposal, thats what they get paid for, but we were 2-1 down for 12 minutes and had 1 shot on target. Enough said.

How do we solve this though? People are calling for Moyes head, and they are well within their right to do so, but simply sacking him wont solve our issues. I believe a complete cleanout of the board of managment is what is required. Cause if Moyes goes, the next lower division manager we get, (cause lets face it we cant afford a top name or to take someone from another club) will simply be steam rolled by the current board into believing mediocrity at Everton is acceptable!

I think we'll be ok this season but only brecause there are worset teams than us in the EPL. But we havnt spent money in nearly 3 seasons now and yet constantly sell out best and brightest, who's next, Barkley, Rodwell, Fellini or even Baines, are we gonna start next season hoping to finish 17th in the league??

Whether your a fan or not of Moyes and Bill i give this warning, our club is DYING, at our current rate of player turn over and failing to replace them with adequate quality i'd say we'll be relegated within 3 seasons. CLubs dont fear us anymore, we've become the team anyone can get something against. Goodison used to be a fortress now its a lonely ground were all you can here is boo's and jeers after each game

In saying that i'l still be cheering them on against Tamworth, and biting my nails against Harry's lot next week! I'm a toffee and will always be proud to say that.

COYB
Kurajan {Ed025's Note - what a great post that is!....well done kurajan!...i imagine there will be lots of cats and dogs all around merseyside with sore behinds..

Great post Kurajan, I banned myself and my lad from going to another game after the Stoke disaster last year (90 minutes no shots on target), I had my last day off work yesterday and jumped on the EFC website looking for tickets as I though we would trounce Bolton (had a tenner on three nil and Osman first goal lolololol), anyway was close to getting two tickets but changed my mind at the last minute - THANK FU*K FOR THAT, I would have been suicidal after that last night.

I am a great Moyes supporter and have always defended him to the hilt with people on this site but u know what mate I am starting to think differently now, not quite on a get rid of him stance yet but could be soon if nothing changes.
Degsybluenose

05 Jan 2012 13:35:45
phill nevile and johnny hietinga playing together in centre mid are like the chuckle brothers from me ,to you,to you,to me no creation at all ossie out wide its not on,square pegs round holes.in 10 years of managing in the top flight i cant remember moyse putting out a balanced side,when he arrived he had spring in his step,energy,full of ideas,ambitionnow when i hear his name the first thought that comes into my head is dour ,gloomy ,negative,boring,i cant understand why he played barkly for a few games gave us a glimse of wat the boy can do ,and boy can the kid play then left him to get splinters in his backside makes no sense..............g {Ed025's Note - im with you g..

Apparently he is good friends with bill was at the Wigan game too back in September

I think bill has told him not to play barkley incase he gets injured then we wont be able to sell him for millions to line greedy bills pockets ie rooney {Ed025's Note - BS rating...10

Why then ed will he not play the best up coming player we have had since rooney i just cant see any other reason {Ed025's Note - i dont think BK has any input into the side at all!...it is purely daves doing, why he is not playing, or at least on the bench every week is beyond me, i agree with you, that he is probably our biggest talent since shrek

05 Jan 2012 13:25:38
Come on lads. We need to look to the future. I know that is easier said than done, but we do. Let's all stop moaning about last night (I inclued myself in this by the way, as I was one of the posters last night that wanted Moyes' head on a pike) and get behind the manager and the team. There is no point saying the manager is sh*t and the team don't try hard enough because that's all we've got. We can't change the team or the manager and we all know that they aren't good enough but its all we have! So come on, enough moaning, let's get behind what we have and hope we can get something, anything from this season! I'm one of the "lucky" few who is going the Tamworth game and will be supporting the team as usual. COME ON YOU BLUES!

Everton Al.

Al nothing to look forward to 4 seasons ago our team was a couple of players short. We never bought Fernadez we diddled about buying Knaughton and Spurs flew in. We are a tin pot out fit with no direction on the pitch and f**ken especially off it. I will not waste a penny of my money un less I see clear investment. Just over three weeks Bill what assest are you going to sell next.

The Blue Don

05 Jan 2012 12:27:28
I have said it time and time before are assistant manager is a defencive coach by trade and every other team he has been involved with were rubbish look at his carrer not putting all the blame on him but look how many defencive players we have been playing since he came how can moyes ask him wot he thinks when it comes to a sub coming on if it was his way we would be bringing on defenders and trying to sneek a lucky draw sick of it

ROUND OUT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE

KENRIGHT OUT

tommy blue {Ed025's Note - amen to that..

Moyes & Round were both defenders as players, so it's no wonder the team is packed with defenders every week.

05 Jan 2012 12:21:04
What's with the logo on the shirt vs Norwich is it a new sponsor or just Chang changing there's seems strange {Ed025's Note - it was a one off for the flood victims..

Thanks ed

05 Jan 2012 11:40:51
for all you know all fans on this forum, last night was glorious proof why we cannot play the 4-4-2 you have been screaming for. we just don't have the players who are good enough, we get outnumbered in midfield and end up launching long balls.does anyone notice that when we try to keep possession and play it backwards to hold on to the ball the crowd get frustrated which makes the players get edgy and they try the impossible or hit 50 yard balls to no-one. whats happened to the fans who understand the modern game? possession is the key cos opposition can't score without the ball.
Moyes just can't win, he plays what you've been asking for and we lose, if he stuck with the 4-5-1 who knows we may have won, 4-4-2 system doesn't work for us at the moment with the players we have.
lets face it the club is struggling at the moment and the last thing we need is the crowd getting on teams back that is NOT how to motivate the players, so all you wingers start getting BEHIND the team not on their backs.
On the subject of the players, WE ARE SKINT hence have very little money to buy anyone or loan anyone, when are you all going to understand this. This is not Moyes fault and those of you baying for his head, be careful what you wish for cos any new boss will have just the same budget as Moyes
whats your view ed? (wella) {Ed025's Note - the 4-4-2 style is not the issue for me wella...the shape of a team changes constantly throughout the game, our problem is the inability of the players to pass ans move!. we are too static and predictable, and at the moment undermotivated and boring...we have the players, but round and moyes have a lot to answer to..IMO..

Couldn't agree with you more Wella lad!

If the players dare play 5/6 passes sideways the fans are on their backs! Then complain when we just hit it long - no logic! Do us all a favour mate and post on here more often. Bit of common sense!

Maiden {Ed025's Note - the one thing you are forgetting, is that playing the ball sideways is all well and good, but there has to be a point when it goes forwards!..and thats the problem, we seem to play it side ways 5 or 6 times, then back to jags and whooooof, pass and move is the only way forward, we play pass and static!...the manager and coaches are not good enough!..

Fair point there Ed - pass and move is without doubt the best way. All I am saying is that it can't help with the crowd going off it everytime we keep the ball for 30 seconds without going forward!

05 Jan 2012 11:26:47
Ed...how do you become an Ed on this page?? {Ed025's Note - they take your brains out and plonk you in front of a computer!.......you can contact the site and apply....at the bottom of the site page there is a contact us icon...good luck..

05 Jan 2012 11:15:40
Why do we always wait till the last 5 minutes before we look like scoring? If we play the entire 90 minutes with that kind of urgency we would be winning more games and scoring more goals! {Ed025's Note - ask the manager!...

05 Jan 2012 11:01:38
Maybe all the 'tacticians' on this site will stop calling for 4-4-2 now! It is a dated formation and last night proved it doesn't work. It is all very well and good moaning that our strikers aren't doing it but if we are getting over ran in midfield (like last night) then it will never reach the front men!

However, I do not understand for the life of me why Moyes persists on starting Neville centre mid! He offers nothing! We have a good side full of internationals and with a bit of imagionation or just a willingness to take a bit of a risk from Moyes I think we could play some really good attacking stuff!

If everyone was fit (not taking into account last night's injuries because we don't know the full extent) my line up would be.

Howard

Hibbert Jags Distin Baines

Felli

Rodwell Osman

Drenthe Barkley

Donovan

Drenthe on the right and Barkley on the left so they can cut in on their stronger sides and drill it into both of them they are key! When we attack you support Landon and when we defend you work hard to get back!

Saha was a joke last night - so lazy its untrue!

The only problem with this I believe is that Landon is a short term measure but surely we will sign someone in the window who can compete for a place up front!

Would sum us up to go and get a win at Spurs on Weds now! I will be there giving that gobsh*te 'ref' a right load of abuse!

Any thoughts on that line up Eds / blues?

Maiden {Ed025's Note - it looks good maiden..but i cant see ross playing, or rodders,

05 Jan 2012 10:24:12
Just heard we've signed a new striker! Gustav Wind! You've gotta laugh (or you'll cry!)

05 Jan 2012 10:11:25
To all those lauding Moyes and saying we could have been where Southampton Sheffield, Leeds etc are - have you seen how many supporters we get every week?

The absolute minimum when we're playing awful football (now) is about 31000 - we have a pretty big ground and it's almost full most weeks and when bigger teams come it's full at 39000 - so we should be about 5th to 7th in the league in terms of our support.

Moyes is just coasting now - he's lost interest - he's just like the rest of us going to work week in week out.

His judgement is also slipping - letting Yak go and keeping Saha - do me a favour.
Billy? Coleman? Cahill?
Where's the pass n move football? Doing the basics well? Nowhere.

Neville was absolutely abysmal last night - together with Heitinger. All these guys do is look up see no one easy to pass to and play it back to another defender - then get the other guy or the keeper in to trouble - anyone but themselves.

The worst performance I've seen last night for a long long time. Hibbert panicking on the ball when no bolton guy was within 10 yards of him and smacking it straight to one of their players - useless git. Time after time no ideas on how to getthe ball forward from any of our players.

I don't know's at fault - Moyes or the coach guy - but we are playing absolutely terrible football - and heads must start to roll.

Not sure if I'm even going to renew my season ticket now. It's like watching complete garbage every week.

So annoyed and completely p****d off.

Mk I {Ed025's Note - we are all like that at the moment MK...something has got to change...whether it be BK, steve round, or david moyes...one or more has to go..for the good of the club..

05 Jan 2012 09:38:48
What happened with Mustafi? {Ed025's Note - hes gone to sampdoria..he was not deemed good enough..

05 Jan 2012 09:34:32
I can't believe the way this site has gone! You all sound like kopites! Any one of you tell be who would have done better than Moyes on our budget over the last decade. If it wasn't for Moyes we would have gone the way of Leeds, Charlton and Southampton, we would be a League 1 side by now!

Honestly, we like to sing "if you know your history" but it seems that many Evertonians have very short memories. You also need to consider that Moyes has stuck with us when anyone else (even lifelong blues like Kendall and Royle) would have walked years ago. Now that the editor has taken a disgraceful anti Moyes stance, I think that's me done with this site for a while.

aintreeblue {Ed025's Note - listen mate...first and foremost, im a die hard blue!...the fact that i edit has nothing to do with it!..

Maybe the editor is a kopite just agreeing with anyway who at present is anti moyes. totally agree with another post. maybe moyes needs some motivation and does not have to keep selling his better players. if we do get taken over then maybe davie will have something to look forward to like us blues. {Ed025's Note - so now im a kopite!!..seems like anyone who is not happy with the manager....is now a red!..grow up mate...

Goodbye don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Yet another person who's willing to settle for watching s**te.

Toffeemike

05 Jan 2012 09:22:08
i support moyes but i think if there is going to be a change it should be at the end of the season, then start a fresh next year. i hate this season sooo much already, weve had no good moments at all just dissapointing defeats at home to qpr, stoke, lpool, united, bolton, and lucky wins against mediocore clubs. i want this season to end now. {Ed025's Note - i know what you mean mate..

05 Jan 2012 08:32:27
David Dein at the match last night took from Goodison to Lime St later on, Not sure if he is just Bill,s mate of there is some thing in it. can any 1 else confirm this?.
Ste Blue

05 Jan 2012 06:46:10
U lot call ye selfs loyal blues well ye not. Just remember that David moyes not to long ago was being courted to takeover from sir Alex so he can't be that bad the players have to take some flak to. give em money to spend an moyes can do a good job at any club. U spineless ppl moyes should stay in place till takeover an then judge him when it's his signings he has made an not forced loan signings

05 Jan 2012 01:00:37
Qestion ed, If the board decided to sack Moyes how much would it cost the club? Wouldnt we have to pay out his contract, could be looking at 3 -5 million!! {Ed001's Note - yes, the board would have to pay up his contract, unless they managed to come to an accommodation. The usual one being that the manager will continue to be paid in full until he finds a new job.}

05 Jan 2012 00:35:34
WHY WAS JAGS SUBBED MISSED THE GAME {Ed025's Note - injured

SERIOUS ?? {Ed025's Note - yes!

STOP SHOUTING PLEASE, nice and quietly does it

05 Jan 2012 00:08:34
Think all the madness of Moyes out needs to stop, genuinly don't think there would be any other manager who could have kept everton finishing on average 7th every season. The teams above us generally spend millions that we just haven't got. The man has had frig all money for years, clubs in debt, rumours of take-overs and new grounds don't do anyone any favours either. Yes we play negative football, but we haven't got the quality (or money) to play attacking football, doing so with our team is a recipe for disaster, especially at the moment with injuries and current squad.
Tonight against Bolton we played 4-4-2 which people have been crying out for (including myself if im honest, as cahill doesnt have much to offer us now) but we still missed the quality, creativity ( that money costs) to create any opportunities. Its the same problem we've had for years, we need creativity, and a goalscorer. And of course its frustrating the way we delay in the market but i would say 80% of the players moyes has brought in have been a success, we're obviousy skint so we need just wait and see. I'm sure Moyes will pull something out the bag in January, then hope for some mystery Arteta sale money in the summer! {Ed025's Note - good post that mate...even though i think you are looking at things through rose tinted glasses! imo we look devoid of ideas, lack motivation, and are short of confidence...all these things are the job of the manager, who i feel has lost his mojo, is it time for a change?....probably..

It does not cost anything to play good football just a positive forward thinking manager.

Oh btw how much have Swansea and Norwich spent? Your argument is defeated already.

madtoffee

To madtoffee
Agreed with the comment about Swansea and Norwich, i just cant see them finishing in the top half of the prem. And yes, the way things are going we would be lucky too aswell.
However rebuilding from the start would be a long, frustrating process, and we all know how frustrated us fans get!
Unfortunatly though, the reason we have stayed in the league is becuase we have spent big money (for everton) on our defensive players (Jags, Distin, Johnny, Baines, Fellaini) and dabbled in the loan market for attacking players. I think that this was essential to keeping us where we are now, and the best thing we could hope for is some cash!
I think 99% of everton fans would like us to be more attacking from the off, especially at home. But until money comes, I think getting rid of Moyes would do more harm than could, especially because we're so so skint!
Do agree though that we do need some more forward thinking in the team, and agree with ed that it does eventually come down to the manager, however more needs to be done from the board to help the fans and Moyes.
The life of a blue hey?
Molly888