Everton Banter Archive April 05 2016

05 Apr 2016 22:15:44
i was on a training course when martinez took over as manager, I met an ex england player who worked with our coaching staff, he was full of praise for martinez but slated graham jones, he said he was clueless and that he would not bring anything positive to the club. its took a couple of seasons but I know now exactly what he meant.

06 Apr 2016 00:33:20
Away with all the Martinez bandwagon fraudsters who've been on a free meal ticket since Bill appointed him.

06 Apr 2016 01:32:06
a lot of board members have been on that free meal ticket since the late great mr carter was in charge, let's hope mr moshi kicks them into touch aswell.

05 Apr 2016 21:30:45
If you're all intent on saying niasse should be given a chance then just think back to a certain atsu
It's unfair to criticise and compare so I won't do that but I'm just saying it does happen esp with African players
They look great in these Russian standard leagues but it's a whole different ball game when they come here and all I was trying to say was for a club like us 13.5m is a massive, massive spend!
It's nothing compared to the market but for us to see a manager show such little faith in his new player is worrying and when I first watched atsu I thought he wasn't even a footballer
I am sorry if it upsets people but I get a similar feeling with niasse and I believe it could be RM's downfall!

05 Apr 2016 21:50:15
'If you're all intent on saying niasse should be given a chance then just think back to a certain Atsu'

Well of course we're all saying he should be given a chance! It's completely nonsensical to say otherwise, Pablo.

I'm not saying he's going to be banging them in for fun next season, but I am saying we can't do anything other than reserve judgement until he's actually played. He hasn't started a single game yet!

06 Apr 2016 00:22:58
Pienaar?

06 Apr 2016 07:14:59
Obviously the lad has to be given a chance, no team lumps 13m on a player only to give him half an hour of football then discard them. If Rom is intent on leaving then the run in is a perfect time to give Niasse a run out, if only to see if he can cut it at the top level.

05 Apr 2016 20:19:10
I will say it AGAIN not a great fan of RM but the players should be ashamed of themselves they are the one who cross the white line every Saturday and they are the ones that don't give a s--t about the fans or the club.

05 Apr 2016 20:31:45
Unfair to paint everyone with the same brush, Thomo. When was the last time you saw Jags not arsed about a game?

05 Apr 2016 20:41:42
Yet they cross the white line with a game plan which all too often doesn't work. And let's not forget the bad substitutions which is completely the managers doing not the players.

05 Apr 2016 20:57:48
Good shout that actually. I think we're missing real leaders like a Peter read or Tim Cahill.

05 Apr 2016 21:03:40
Yes alanthomo, they cross the white line with instructions on how to play the game. If they don't carry out these instructions they know more than anyone they will be dropped.

What does that tell you? Well it tells me Martinez doesn't care about conceding goals. He has done nothing all season to address our obvious problem with conceding. He done nothing about it at Wigan where he broke records with the amount of goals they let in.

I'd love someone, anyone to answer this question with a credible answer. How or even why would this issue Martinez inevitably has change? It's nothing new with him. Its the only record he knows how to beat.

05 Apr 2016 16:14:40
Conte has admitted he wants Rom and is good friends with his agent.
Rom is apparently keen and would consider Chelsea as the only non ch league club he would join.
Seriously this board needs to act and quickly.
It's ok saying we'll make £££ on the transfer but it seems we have already wasted £13.5m on a striker!
How on earth could this man be trusted with up wards of £50m to find a replacement?!
How on earth has the club sanctioned a deal for a striker who is obviously not good enough for the prem?
Who scouted him? who sanctioned the deal?
How on earth is the board allowing this man to spend that amount of money on a player who he openly admits is not looking good enough for the prem?
Will there be anymore ridicule before the board accept that WE ARE BECOMING A LAUGHING STOCK?
He promised champions league football?!
Seriously that's all it takes to get the job at Everton?
Ok, Bill and Co, give me the job and I'll bring us champions league and the World Cup to Goodson!
I prob won't but in my first 3 seasons I'll guarantee you the team will have a goalkeeper that doesn't appear on the most passes completed list every game and if I spend ANY amount of money on a striker he will at least be good enough to get more than 2 mins a game!

05 Apr 2016 16:27:57
Come on Pablo, Niasse has hardly had a chance so stating a waste of money is a bit short sighted, give the lad a chance eh, its not his fault Martinez won't start him or at least give him a decent run.

05 Apr 2016 16:33:36
Jeeeezzzzzz Pablo, calm down. I want Martinez gone as much as anyone but what are you basing your assessment on with Niasse?

Now I'm not talking about what people are saying including Martinez. How can you judge the player on what he has played so far?

He hasn't had enough time in any game so far to do anything. I don't care what Martinez or what anyone has said about him. He has made around about a total of 25mins playing time in about 4 or 5 games.

He doesn't decide when to go on. Its Martinez who decides that. It used to be Mirallas he put on for the last 3mins.

I agree with what you say about Martinez but Niasse hasn't had a proper chance yet.

05 Apr 2016 16:39:40
Well said Murf, what a load of rubbish from the above poster for jeepies sake at least give Niasse some game time before we write him off, the same was said by some about Tom and Aaron, I am fed up with sort of negativity, GuernseyBlue.

05 Apr 2016 16:41:54
Martinez never said he wasn't good enough. He said he is taking longer to get prem fitness than he thought. Your words Pablo are harsh and not accurate.

We all seem to want the same thing but I think most of your post is jumping the gun a bit.

05 Apr 2016 18:56:20
Listen lads in not someone who jumps the gun, I've had enough ok?! Enough of watching a team going backwards
My assessment of niasse is inaccurate? Hasn't he been playing all seasoning Russia? Not prem fitness ready? Ha sorry but what a joke and Guernsey blue I talk rubbish? You have actually defended tom cleverly? Sorry but he's an awful player and NOT what we need!
Who you going to praise next? Kone?!
If he had any faith in niasse he would play him!
Couldn't he manage a half? 30 mins? 20 mins?
The whispers say he looks awful in training and when I've seen him on the pitch he looks lost.
You may think I'm being harsh but I saw him in the fa cup and he looked like he had no idea where he was position aly.
I may ignore the rumours and give him time if I actually believed in this manager so I'm sorry if you feel I talk rubbish but it's also known as LACK OF FAITH!
Don't bother questioning my loyalty either as I've been supporting my blue bloys for nearly 40 yrs
I supported them through royle/ walker/ Kendall (return) / smith and refused to be negative and then we got moyes and were lifted out of the mire with genuine belief we would never return and then what happens? Back to square one with this total plum!
So ye it's very hard for me to keep supportive when I genuinely believed we had seen the end of those days mate!
I said all along Martinez will take us down and apart from Lukaku and Barry (maybe ) who else is shining week in week out? Coleman is shocking as is baines and they were our most consistent and goal scoring/ creating players so ye if I sound like I jump the gun then so be it!
We were a better side under moyes! Even though he bottled the big games we looked far better
Also we have major investment and who does he look at . Michael fu@@ing carrick! Nuff said!

05 Apr 2016 18:57:36
I think you're misreading what Pablo is saying. he is saying its a waste of money buying a player to only give him five minutes here and there. he is right. how can a player prove his ability/ worth if the manager plays him for five mins. more importantly, how can you get prem match fit if your not played. I don't think Pablo is saying he isn't good enough.

05 Apr 2016 19:04:36
We bought him in January!
He's a professional footballer who had been playing regularly
How isn't he fit enough to play in the prem?
Sorry and I hope I'm wrong but this could be another per kroldrup.

05 Apr 2016 20:20:17
Think we need to cut Niasse a bit of slack. Think the Russian League breaks at the beginning of December so the player is going to be rusty and needs game time. Also he's probably being coached to cover at left back.

05 Apr 2016 20:58:32
hes saying he is garbage Ray,

05 Apr 2016 22:33:49
I'm not doubting your support Pablo, but Cleverly is not awful. He has played well for a player who gets asked to play a different role nearly every week. I'm not saying he's the answer but he's a useful utility player. I'm getting bad vibes about Niasse as well, especially as the Russian league hasn't exactly provided the Prem with many class players. That being said he needs a chance to get used to the Premier League, it's a massive step up from the Russian league.

05 Apr 2016 22:42:02
I see that in his follow up post after I had posted. my bad.

05 Apr 2016 08:01:59
There are some really good constructive posts on here which just shows how we Blues suport our beloved club. Some say we should be achieving higher. Some say it is RM's tactics that cause us problems. There are other views aired too. My own slant that I have banged on and on about is lack of creative midfielders and a general imbalance of type of midfielders available to RM. These being good "work horses" for want of a definition. We have Barry, McCarthy, Besic and Cleverly who will run around and around playing short square passes all day. They will hardly ever lose the ball. They will tackle and win possession. They willdo fouls when necessary. They will cover for each other. BUT NONE OF THEM will recieve the ball with their backs to the opposition defence and do a spin or turn then run at the defender. They will always hold the ball up or turn round and give it to the full back, center half or other player over-lapping. NONE of them regularly attack the player in front of them. None of them drive aat the defence allowing other players to join them and create havoc in the defence. It always has to be the passing game to break the opposition down. Oh for a young new Piennar or Osman. Ok we have Barkley whodoes this. and Lennon and Mirralas. But Barkley also is becoming less and less aggressive in his attacking and being a kid, is losing confidence. Mirrallas obviously has lost confidence too. Lennon has been a revelation and exceeded all I ever imagined he could do. Added to which, this tippy tappy sideways football allows the opposition time to reorganise before one of these penetrating footballers even get the ball. So yes, part is down to his tactics. but part is the lack of creative midfielders in my view. And just to repeat myself. The 4 midfielders I mentioned, have never scored more than 3 goals a season each. Because they are rarely in the box when we have mucked about with the ball for 5 minutes before getting it there. If you check their stats out, you will see they cover more ground than an American Cattle Ranch, but they are rarely in the box so how can they score goals? Piennaar andOsman were always in the box. That's my take on it guys.

05 Apr 2016 09:28:23
I have to agree in most parts although I do think Cleverly has the attributes to play like Ossie and Peanuts but I think he is being asked to play deeper. I would have liked him to be asked to play just behind the striker in the cup games to see if he actually can play there. When he played on the left early part of the season I thought his link up play was really coming on and considering he was protecting Galloway could understand his reluctance to go to far forward ie in and around the box a lot of the time.

05 Apr 2016 10:08:43
Degs. We were crying out for a creative attacking mid fielder in the summer transfer window. We then find out this season that although we were chasing Payet we in the end decided not to because we had Ross. Now I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but where would we be with this guy in our team. What a player!

The most worrying thing for me right now is Baines comments that we lack Chemistry!

Well we use to have that in abundance so where the hell has it gone?! Has it been coached out of the squad?!

When one of our most experienced players comes out and says that, a player so reliant on the Chemistry he shared with Piennar you have to ask What's gone wrong?

05 Apr 2016 10:19:24
Once you own players start coming out with comments on chemistry etc Ace its the beginning of the end, Talksport were slating RM last night and the press will be soon, not long to go now mate, happy days back again soon.

05 Apr 2016 15:52:33
Scoring goals is not the problem with this team. Defending is the issue. And it is defending from the attacking players that causes it.

If you look at Barcelona it starts from the front players to win back the ball. With ours whoever they are they don't go for the ball but instead go for the space. They all do it. They should be hunting the ball down not the space the opposition may run into.

He won't teach this though and instead we have this amateur manager teaching play ground tactics.

05 Apr 2016 18:53:00
BlueJohnuns you have a valid point. I think a gap is created between the forwards and defense with the type of midfielder he likes. and this is the crux of the problem. But what I say is also valid because whenyou rely on 2or 3 players to get the goals and in fact rely on 1 almost totally. you had better beware if he loses form or confidence. just like he did last season when we went 11 games without a win. God forbid he leaves, because then we will really know what it is like to concede 1 or 2 every game. and with no-one to score the 3 we need for a win.