Everton Banter Archive January 04 2015

04 Jan 2015 21:54:08
.just watched the best defensive performance in Europe this season as Real Sociedad beat Barcelona 1-0. everything that we are not at Everton fc right now. well done Moysie!

I don't call hanging on to a 1 goal lead for 88 mins just desperately hoofing the ball away as far as possible all game a great defensive performance. Sociedad are welcome to him give me Roberto any day.

05 Jan 2015 01:29:28
Yes, the same moyesie that got thrashed 4-0 by villareal, managing the same real sociedad team that beat real in less boring circumstances early in the seson.

Right Mike you can quote this in let's say three months, at least moyes had a plan b

I am old school in as much as I would take a 1-0 win playing Sunday Morning football rather than a 1-0 loss playing ticky tacky football. Roberto is not the Manager we should have had in the first place, he maybe a nice man but he is also a stubborn man. Even when Wigan were on the way down, he stubbornly refused to change their playing style and that is unforgivable. I am genuinely scared for our Premiership survival under Roberto's stewardship.

. I blame Kenwright. he needs to stop making instantaneous decisions based on heart-felt feelings & emotions & start using his head. any sensible person/chairman would of checked Martinezs cv thoroughly first, then maybe he would of spotted an obvious floor in his defensive records & the fact he's never had a plan 'a' & not a plan 'b'. at the end of the day, this is the English Premier league - not a Sunday afternoon Spanish style league - you have to tactically have a balanced approach & be able to mix it up occasionally to match the opponent. quite straight-forward really!

It's funny how some love and some hate Moyes. I am guessing the younger ones hate him because we never actually won anything for the 10 years he was our manager. The older ones like me who saw some of the drivel served up under Wlater Smith orMike Walker or Billy Bingham or Gordon Lee will tell you. a hard fought 1 nil win is much better than free flowing football with a 1 nil defeat. And people forget, Moyes had us playing brilliant football in his last couple of seasons. Certainly most of today's team were signed by Moyes and we got pretty close to winning a trophy a couple of times. I cannot see that happening under RM now. People are talking about the FA Cup and Europa League. If we continue playing the way we have for the last 10 games there is only one thing that is certain.and I don't even have to spell it out because you already know in your hearts what I am on about. If that happens, God forbid, I do not believe our once great club will ever recover to be the force it once was.

{Ed025's Note - moyes was the king of mediocrity, yes the guy done well for us, but some of the football was dire, and we could never progress under a miserable sod like him with his defeatist attitude, i was made up when he left, and even happier when the prick fell flat on his arse at united..im not saying martinez is the answer, but we deffo needed a change degs..

Dont know why you included Gordon Lee on your list Degsy, we played some good stuff and came close a couple of times under him imo. And he brought the trenchie into fashion.

{Ed025's Note - i never liked him jimmy...mind you..im scared of vampires..

Sorry Ed, I am with Zacki. I actually think Moyes had us playing much better football than what is served up now. Tip tap does nothing for me. Just before Moyes left, I thought we were a real challenge for the top 4 and when he joined we had some terrible players. At the time he left, we had our strongest squad for years. I know he said some things after he left, but I can forgive him for that after weighing up all the pros and cons. I am guessing you are a bit younger than me and don't remember all the rubbish served up by Lee, Bingham, Walker and Smith?

{Ed025's Note - i am 56 degsy...so those were in my hayday mate, cant forgive traitors..

. I reckon if there was a chance, Kenwright would have Moyes back in a heartbeat.he loved that guy to bits. & yes, he never won us a trophy but when you look back just look at those signings he made for such small dosh - Cahill (2 million) Arteta 2 million, Coleman (600k), Mirallas 5 million, Stones etc etc & loads more. I think all Moyes lacked in his time at Everton was a top top striker but he was never given that large chunk of money to do that. yet Bobby comes in & gets 27k blown on a striker in his first season. i'd have Moyes back in a heartbeat - he'd certainly get Lukaku firing with a game style to match his strengths. interestingly, he's been talking about his early days at Everton tonight in an interview to a Spanish sports channel & has compared last nights win against Barcelona to his earlier days @ Everton. r you sending a timely message at this time too Mr K. David?

{Ed025's Note - i will send him a message zacki...and the second word is off..

Lol ed :)

06 Jan 2015 07:59:45
Really zacki? because I remember when moyes did have money to spend, bily, johnson, beattie, jelavic, yakubu, let's not forget kroldrup and heitinga too. Moyes would loan lukaku to the championship, or would ruin him because he isn't a workhorse, get naisy out wide, barkley back in the under 21s, garbutt, oviedo, stones and mccarthy all leave. Neville comes in as assistant, get chris woods back, have osman and gibson as our centre midfielders, try and get arteta back to put him on the wing, eto and besic would be kicked out, no 'flair' players just grafters, just to play out of position, maybe offer mccarthy plus 15m for fellaini to come back. I cannot take anyone serious when they honestly want moyes back or would prefer him back, let's also not forget bottling every big game again, parking the bus just to try and clinch a draw at the emirates. I will tell you the differences as to why moyes will never be a top manager, he isn't a winner. i'm not ungrateful for what he did, he did well, also anyone who says we were solely a long ball team is an person, but he had expired over here, then he offered 28m for, at the time, our 2 best players (which I now wish we had accepted due to baines being absolute sh*te). Then he said we are holding them back (despite him now managing real sociedad), he then said, had fergie came in with a similar offer, he would find it hard to refuse. Which makes him a hypocrite after the way he ranted on about lescott while here (to which lescott was unfairly treated by our fans may I add). i'm not going to do what arsenal fans do and claim anyone who leaves is a money grabbing traitor, I didn't hate moyes when he left, I hated him for his actions after he left, I hated arteta after he left because there is no need in what he did that deadline day, thankfully, bar a lucky fa cup final over hull he has accomplished bugger all since leaving, I don't hate fellaini and don't agree with booing him, he had numerous chances to leave, he could of got 5m off us on deadline day but put in a request, in our favour, we ripped them off and i'm glad he's being appreciated more at utd, kind of. i'm happy with the way things have turned out for out former manager and players, moyes failed at utd, lol, but I hope he does well at real sociedad, as long as he stays away from everton, i'm made up arteta is on his way out at arsenal and isn't very liked by a large sum of their fans, and never got his 'dream' spain cap, but i'm also happy fellaini is in a team on the up (im happy for fellaini but still dislike utd of course) and that lescott won the prem before he left city. Now before you say 'but what about martinez nuh nuh nuh', I support everton, I don't support roberto martinez, I support everton and look for EVERTONS results and games, not drooling on about going back to being 'slightly better than anyone outside the top 8' enjoy the game tonight lads.

Fair enough Swanny. but you say about Moyes bottling big games against the big teams? Mate, we're bottling all games against not do big teams including the likes of Hull, Stoke, Southampton etc etc at the mo. these were games we would of 1 under Moyes so depends which way you look at it. on the subject of signings, apart from McCarthy I think Bobbys record has thus far been appalling. the spine of our current team is ex-Wigan (who were relegated with the same players) are Robles, Alcaraz, McCarthy & Kone - top drawer that mate. spine of Moyes team was Howard, Jags & Distin, Baines, Coleman, Arteta, Cahill but just lacked that top 20+ million pound striker.at the time that spine was far better than what we have now. don't get me wrong, I really hope Bobby can turn it round but I feel he only has 1 or 2 games to do so b4 he is sacked then the roller coaster begins.

06 Jan 2015 11:46:09
im not happy with martinez at the moment, I said that in my post, please don't mention moyes' spine, that's degsys big shout. do people want martinez to sell EVERYONE who was at the club while moyes was here and start from scratch, then win the league before they will be happy, moyes is like some smeg that won't wash away, he needs to be forgotton about, if martinez goes then we need something different all together. we are not bottling these games so much as the players not being bothered to try. but all in all? everton are what matters most

Agreed. Koeman would do me, but highly unlikely!

I agree with Zacki. Moyes spine of the team was much stronger and he had Fellaini to play either holding player or if games were slipping away. to push forward. Distin was obviously to be replaced by Stones. another good shout as far as I am concerned. He also did ok with johnson. I don't forget him losing big money on him? Nor Jelavic? I thought we made profit on him? Yak was unfortunate with a terrible injury too. So Swan, I would say that signings of Robles, Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady, Atsu and even Barry and Besic have not really improved our squad at all. I said that about the Wigan link at the time, but you had a different view on it then if you remember. You told me they were all good signings. Your memory is slipping mate.

{Ed025's Note - i can just imagine your bedroom wall degsy...3 lifesize pictures of moyes flanked by ossie and felli...move on mate.. :)

06 Jan 2015 22:33:03
I told you they were all good signings? Nope, don't remember, I remember calling kone a decent buy, then asked to get rid when I found out he was riding camels. Alcaraz is better than distin, besic hasn't had a chance, I've always thought atsu was garbage, never said joel was a good signing. I think you suffer from a case of makethingsupitus, I know you told me you thought the pairing of osman and neville was better than reid and bracewell, you told me osman had a better left foot than sheedy, you also told me david moyes is the greatest manager of all time. See I can do it to, although they are probably your actual views, you go on about the yak and his injury, what about kone? Yep you forgot that one, does it send shivers down your spine seeing moyes getting a jammy victory over barcelona? Do you have to pop a pillow over your lap, you still never answered my question, so I will mix it up, leon osman or cesc fabregas, david moyes or jose mourinho and phil neville or nemanja matic, come on degsy, don't hold back.

04 Jan 2015 15:48:52
Not everyone will agree I know but I would take 50m for Barkley. Is he really that good? Will probably be sold anyway whether we stay up or not so why not cash in now. Anyone paying 50m is paying for potential as he is def not a 50m player so why not let them take the risk? Remember Barkley is one player, just imagine what we could do with 50m? Personally, Benteke 25m, Bolasie 10m, Cabaye 10m and 5m for someone else or just hold on to the money. We must do something as I keep reading about how we could be the next Leeds and more importantly its really frustrating and embarrassing at he moment being a blue but we are Everton and we will bounce back.somehow!

04 Jan 2015 17:01:36
You still have to pay all those you mentioned, this is not fantasy league. While we're at it let's sell anyone under 23, because we all know you can't win anything with kids. Fill the team with a load of old men, mmm that works.

04 Jan 2015 23:53:52
Yes you have to pay them but I'd rather pay them than pay Mcgeady, Atsu, Robles, Barry to name but a few, a single penny! Or let's sell Barkley, bank 45m of the 50m and buy Al habsi, Mcmanaman and the Wigan mascot and be done with it!

05 Jan 2015 16:54:01
Seem to be arguing with yourself mate.

04 Jan 2015 14:29:52
Had a really good day yesterday (1st time in months)
no blues result to depress me, nice bit of lunch, a glass or two of the old vino, the wife didn't have to go out all afternoon to avoid me, went to bed last night in a good mood for once, & the wife speaking to me this morning.
I could get used to this at weekend, going to eat my Sunday lunch with metal knife & fork, instead of the plastic one's, life seems worth living again.

And then bloody hell! we play Tues. night.
Deep gloom & the depression is back.
the wife's gone out shopping, & I'm back to square one as an Evertonian.

Call the midwife, or anyone who can help.

{Ed025's Note - things will get better hendo, i promise..

Your not alone hhenderson, you have just summed up my Christmas and New Year. I watched match of the day last night & for the first time in 5 or 6 weeks I wasn't considering putting my boot through the tv.
Maybe one Sturday night soon I will be able to watch Football First - match choice.

04 Jan 2015 14:09:33
Think Stones can be added to possible departures, with bid from Chelsea. They will be looking to replace John Terry and paring Stones with Cahill could be a good move as they will probably be England's centre backs for next few years. Unfortunately the likes of Coleman, Stones leaving will result in them being replaced by less quality players. Evertons future as top is seriously in doubt unless Martinez goes. I believe if Moyes had stayed and the finance last summer had been to him then it would not have been wasted. Get Moyes back if needed and quick.

04 Jan 2015 14:18:35
But they are giving terry a new contract? Not to mention them already having youngsters like zouma, ake, kalas and christensen, I smell bs

04 Jan 2015 13:43:04
I would love to win the fa cup, but, if getting beat by w/ham, would finally see Martinez out the door, then for the sake of our club, I could live with that.

04 Jan 2015 11:46:09
Hi ed, just like to thank you and fellow blues who replied to my post about getting some autographs, went the training ground with my son.got some autographs, my lad loved it.thanks.

04 Jan 2015 12:53:40
just seen post saying that if we lose to westham steve m of derby to be are new manager.any thoughts on that.

Fully support that one.

I would also like to say, when we was at the training ground, I asked the players that have been linked with other clubs and all said there staying.and I would like to say how nice mc carthy was, kone and Howard just blanked the 2 kids that wanted an autograph.thought it was a bit naughty.

04 Jan 2015 02:35:45
FFS if this season wasn't painful enough Justin Bieber's been pictured wearing an Everton third kit. will this torture never end.

Would you prefer Jimmy Saville?

04 Jan 2015 12:02:44
If those are the only two choices we are living in hell.

Well if a pic of Saville wearing efc 3rd kit would be remarkable. I'm pretty sure he was dead before we brought it out

04 Jan 2015 00:06:56
Been a while since I posted, but after what we've seen in recent times, I feel I have to add my tuppence worth, reference the team, and Martinez. Just my opinion fellas, so obviously feel free to agree or disagree. Firstly, the plus points. This manager came in and replaced the previous boss( who I was a massive fan of ) and brought with him a positivity, a belief, and a style, the like of which we hadn't seen at Goodison, consistently, for a good few years. He bought and borrowed players whom, added to what we already had, gave us the belief that we were building something special at our club, and up until Christmas of 2013, everything was excellent. Things slowed down in the new year, but we got as far as 33/34 games before our Champs league dream ended. It hurt like hell, but with the progress we'd made, this season held nothing but promise, Robbie's our man eh?