Everton Banter Archive April 04 2016

 

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04 Apr 2016 22:25:50
I listened to Sir Alex Ferguson talking about how ManUtd dealt with young players' progress.
Whatever you might think of SAF, he was incredibly successful and did give young talent a chance.
He said that if a young player got to around 21/ 22 and didn't look like genuinely competing for for a place in the first-team/ squad, then the player would be moved on to another club.
That got me thinking about the number of players aged over 21 that we are still retaining even though they're not near first-team selection.
It's all well and good having a large squad, but what's the point of keeping players if they're not considered good enough to play regularly?
We have several players who are on loan at lower-tier clubs and we should know come the summer if they are genuine contenders. If not, we should let them further their careers full time elsewhere.
When a new manager replaces RM - hopefully soon - then I imagine a fair amount of changes to our playing staff.

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05 Apr 2016 07:44:42
I thought we already did this Cowpat? Do we keep players on past that age who have come through the ranks? We do need a 25 man 1st team squad. but these are not kids through the ranks. Another point is Chris Sutton interview on BBC . he says what we have all been saying about RM saying stuff that makes no sense in after match interviews. He is quite to the point. Worth watching.

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05 Apr 2016 10:41:01
Just watched it now other Degs, not a Sutton fan but his facial expressions said it all, welcome to our world.

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04 Apr 2016 21:41:33
People asking are we as good as we think we are I would say yes we are our team should be top 6 looking at top 4 but for instance let's look at yesterday's game when the team was announced I was over the moon two wingers I thought get in then the game started and what did our manager do he dropped barkley deeper who has proven he can't play that game he moved a center midfielder (cleverly) out wide and played Lennon as the no10 then our defenders had to launch terrible over the top balls which lukaku who didn't cover himself in glory with little chance of getting and I'm sorry it's all down to that idiot Roberto and he needs sacking now.

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04 Apr 2016 22:21:38
It is the inability of RM to see the problems caused by inexplicable tactics that quite frankly are baffling to most of us. Bainsy has confirmed in his interview what most of us have noticed since the middle of last season. I am not one of those that boo's our players at home or would contemplate a walk out or banner flying plane, so can only hope that commonsense will prevail once 49.9 percent becomes 50.1.

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04 Apr 2016 19:25:58
I live in hope that the board have identified who they want as manager as a replacement for Martinez, but out of courtesy will wait till end of season before making an approach to Southampton or whoever for him.
As I've said before, if Lukaku goes and Martinez stays, then probable disaster next season.
If Lukaku performs like he did yesterday then forget the FA cup.

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04 Apr 2016 20:40:44
In fairness to lukaku the service he was getting was poor. lashing long balls up hoping for the best. lennon had an off game as well. the game was calling out for a second striker as soon as they got their goal, not waiting until the 86th minute. I've read people think that niasse doesn't look up to it, he is given five mins and runs around panicking trying to make an impression. he needs game time so we can see what he is like, not throwing him in the deep end.

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04 Apr 2016 21:40:26
Blue, other than the first 10 games or so when ross and Geri were supplying him, gis service is sporadic. to me he looks far to isolated for the best part of most games and I've been praying for 4:4:2 for most of season. same as Leicester funny enough. I thought when niasse joined that would be it. but yet again disappointed. can u inagine the additional goals he would have scored with a different formation.

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04 Apr 2016 22:11:24
I agree 100%. the bloke is an animal. let him run at and bully defenders, use his pace and power, not keep knocking up long balls in the air. even if he does win it in the air, as you say he is up there on his own, so he is knocking it down to nobody.

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04 Apr 2016 18:05:12
Martinez out what a disgrace on sunday rm time to go there's a taxi outside going to wigan see ya.

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05 Apr 2016 08:07:10
Not a single disagree, this says something as we did have disagrees lately, i'd like to know who on here still wants him as manager, not a witch hunt either as would like to see their justification so no slating from me for Blues who still want him.

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04 Apr 2016 17:59:46
Playing devil's advocate here so don't think these are my thoughts.

Are our own dillusions of grandeur part of the problem when we lose? Are we really that good? Why do we deserve to be at the top when we haven't been good for the past couple of seasons, and that doesn't look like changing any time soon? Are our players anything special or do we hype them because they are our players and not West Brom's or Bournemouths (no offence intended)

In a vacuum, United beat Everton 8 times out of 10. So why are we really that surprised?

My own thoughts on the game/ season aren't anything that hasn't been said: Get rid of Martinez asap, looked like a deer caught in headlights in his post-match interview yesterday. Get in some new faces, not a massive over-haul but get rid of dead-weight.

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04 Apr 2016 19:43:32
I must admit I kind of feel the same way are the players really that good and just a quick one did you no that we have the least tackling statistics in the prem dose that mean no desire no determination no fight not enough tackling.

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04 Apr 2016 20:34:17
Yes Skylark we are playing 'nice' football. Just nice and polite like our manager. Need a manager with guts and determination. Need a Pearce type figure in the team or to spur the team on.

Not as manager, just need a Pearce type personality to get some passion and determination back. Its evaporated since you know who came.

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04 Apr 2016 20:43:07
Trying to be in biased (probably failing) I do believe that our players are good enough to be challenging much higherather, as in top 6 as a minimum. Going position by position:
Gk: probably our weakest position but only because robles hasn't proven himself. If he gets the chance I think he will be a good keeper
Rb: coleman one of the best rb in the league (also one of the best buys in recent times)
Cb: jags - a solid cb who hardly ever let's us down. Being young enough to not have seen our golden years, he is up there ashould one of my favourite players
Cb: stones - although he has had a poor season, none of us can don't his potential to become a world class cb
Also to mention mori who I think has been really good for us
Lb: baines - again hasn't been up to his best due to injuries but still a top lb in my book
Cm: mccarthy - stats show how important he is to us. Possibly should contribute more further up but that's not what he is there for.
Barry: premier league stalwart. I have criticised him in the past but he controls games at times.
Mention to besic who is such a fighter and if he can avoid injuries will go on to be a club captain.
Rw: delefeu - if he can improve his final ball be can be as good as he wants. Beats players for fun and puts so many balls into the box
Cam: barkley - another player that I have criticised but his stats speak for themselves. Needs to learn when to play it simple but has undoubted potential.
Lw: mirallas - massive talent but needs to sort his head out. Also, lennon - works so hard and has had some great moments for us.
St: lukaku - pretty sure I don't hand to say much more. Has the attributes to be a world class striker. Has to improve aspects of his game but can tell he has worked on his weaknesses.

It's not a coincidence that pretty much all of our established players have on going interest in them.

We all know where our weaknesses are so I have nothing to add there.

Sorry for the long post and any mistakes.

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04 Apr 2016 22:29:32
Good post cropper16. I'd put a mention for Oviedo and Galloway also.

Especially like your post about McCarthy. Spot on in my view. With a change god knows how good our squad could be. Along with some additions this summer.

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04 Apr 2016 23:36:06
Who would your additions be, NBTB, in a perfect world?

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05 Apr 2016 09:16:28
Good call about oviedo and Galloway to be fair.

I'm an ideal world, before any leavers I would like:
Gk - depends on whether the club have anto faith in Joel. Would either mean a big spend on a no 1 or a smaller spend on a no 2.personally I would to give him a go so would look for an experienced gk for joel to learn from. Maybe look for a younger gk as well.

Rb- coleman is undisputed rb and we do have makeshift players but I think we could do with someone to push seamus on further. Likely hibbert will retire/ leave as well.
Lw- I don't think many would argue if I said this should be our no 1 target. A big name, exciting player. Would be a bonus if he could play no 10 as well. Ill mention the dreaded yarmalenko but I'm over it. Can't think of anyone from the top of my head but will have a think.

No 10 - depending on the above, could do with someone to challenge ross.

St - not seen enough of niasse to make a judgement. If the club don't think he's good enough then we need to go for someone else. Anyone to move kone further away from our first team really. If niasse is good enough then I think we are ok, given a few of the youngsters we have in this position at the moment.

Big thing for us will be to shed some dead wood. Our squad will be to big as it is. Think we all more the names to trim so won't bother.

Would hope that the above is achievable with our current budget. Any major leavers can be replaced like for like.

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05 Apr 2016 10:32:38
HugoEFC in a perfect world I wouldn't support Everton to begin with. It would be Barcelona 😃.

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04 Apr 2016 15:08:09
Just doing the maths, 38 points out of 90 is roughly a return of 42%. barely even a pass. how can the board be satisfied with that.

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04 Apr 2016 16:16:47
It was O levels in my day. So 42% is a fail.

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04 Apr 2016 17:24:24
The board aren't satisfied. Bill is.

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04 Apr 2016 18:44:36
I'm Irish so over here 40% is a pass. still nowhere good enough for us.

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04 Apr 2016 20:27:34
Reckon since the start of 2016 we only have 12 points.
That's 36%.

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04 Apr 2016 13:31:02
Keep going on a bout Martinez out no good saying it on here do a half time walkout at the match or get the banners up saying Martinez out come on fellow blues sort it out ASAP.

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04 Apr 2016 11:00:20
lose our next game and we could be laying in 15th, scary, embarassing, a disgrace.

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04 Apr 2016 09:22:27
I honestly believe that if we loose the semi final, Martinez will be sacked. I think he will be gone at the end of the season regardless.

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04 Apr 2016 09:43:22
Me too Evs.

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04 Apr 2016 09:56:06
I honestly thought (hoped) there would be more in the media today questioning his position. Even though there isn't I'm sure 12th or wherever we finish isn't why moshiri bought into us and will do what it takes in the summer break to make us more competitive for next season.

We all said the teams around us strengthened significantly in Jan and that's showing now.

why did we spend £14m on a striker to not use him. 1 up front is not enough. 2 can create more options at least.

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04 Apr 2016 10:32:23
The only problem is how would the board view reaching two semi finals?
Mid table finish?
They may feel he is worth one more year? The issue is how much of the funds would they make available?

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04 Apr 2016 11:22:50
Dont know Wak, personally I don't think we will go any further in the FA Cup and it's not exactly as if last season was a success, also looks like the players are not interested (except Jags) , RM will be gone within 8 weeks mate that's my opinion, just get this season over and Taxi to Southampton please to collect a footballing legend for a one way trip to Goodison.

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04 Apr 2016 11:45:46
Degs. I'd rather we got a plain to Amstadam and get the other Dutch legend.

Actually. I'll take Shandy Andy right now I'm that desperate:)

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04 Apr 2016 11:52:15
His post match interview yesterday he looked like a rabbit in headlights not his usual phenomenal self. Maybe he knows something we don't .

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04 Apr 2016 12:33:39
What did KenWrong say? what a manager, he will not sack him, wait and see.

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04 Apr 2016 12:59:15
I think he's just realising now soldier blue that it's actually possible he might get sacked! Its stopping him in his tracks and he has to actually think about how to win games rather than his philosophy about how the game should be played with only plan A.

Although I don't agree with you stig about Kenwright! I do believe he won't be sacked. I said before I think he'll be manager next season and the pressure will be too much and he'll be sacked around the new year.

If we lost every game between now and end of season I think he may be sacked. Otherwise I think he'll be here next season. I maybe wrong wouldn't be the first time. I hope to god I am. Sooner he's gone the better.

Souness say what you want about him. Reckons we should be at least 6th with the squad we have. I think he's spot on and the majority of people think so. Even all the neutral's.

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04 Apr 2016 16:39:41
I said last week by next weekend we could be down to 15th. Then our run in is far more difficult than most teams below us. It could be 17th we end up in!

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{Ed025's Note - im not really bothered where we finish now degsy the season is finished for me mate in the league anyway, what started with hope and expectation has fizzled out into mundane apathy and i cant wait to see the back of it and our fraud of a manager for that matter..

04 Apr 2016 17:13:11
Yep Ed. I know I wind people up with my know it all posts. but I honestly believed we were making bad signings and the lack of goalscorers will come back to bite us in the bum if Lukaku goes. RM seems to like these athletic running footballers like McCarthy. Every team needs one. but to sign Barry, McCarthy, Besic and Cleverly when little creative midfielders like Pienaar and Osman are mearing retirement? I just don't understand it. I hear we are linked with Carrick? He is another. None of the above in total will score more than 50 total if added together for their whole careers. They don't get into the positions and when they do they are not finishers. How many times have you seen Cleverly pass the ball to the keeper whenhe is trying to shoot?

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{Ed025's Note - i agree degsy, we have too many of these up and down the pitch runners who dont actually achieve anything constructive mate..

04 Apr 2016 09:19:43
I would like to pose a question to all my fellow Evertonians. If for instance this season we had Ranieri and Leicester had Martinez, where do people believe both sides would be at this very moment.

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04 Apr 2016 09:35:05
Its hard to say But I think a manager with the ability to change tactics and set out his team with the oppositions selection in mind would get a lot more out of our squad. What I would say is that the Leicester squad from last year is largely the sane. however go from relegation fodder to champions. the bug difference is the manager imo.

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04 Apr 2016 09:43:54
us 1st, Leicester relegated.

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04 Apr 2016 14:20:56
Totally agree with Murf1000. Where do people get that Ranieri wasn't a big manager before this season? I always thought he was a decent manager. Just because Chelsea sacked him doesn't make him a bad manager.

They are the only club to ever sack Mourinho and look at what he has won overseas since. Ancelotti is also seen as one of top managers in Europe.

Ranieri is proving that its not just a flash in the pan. You can't spend the whole season fluking it. People are also sayin they won't be challenging next year. Imo they will, no doubt about it. What players will want to leave them if they win?

They will strengthen there squad this summer also.

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04 Apr 2016 01:34:38
Blues. It is time to face the ugly truth. We are NOT a good team playing badly. we are an average team playing inconsistent garbage. We all want these young so called superstars to stay. but I say let them go. I am not really impressed by any of them. Stones. overated. Barkeley. the same. Jage. inconsistent. Baines and Coleman ineffective going forward. What made us a good team has gone. and as for Bill. I love him for saving our ass when he did. But he now must be allowed to leave if he still supports Martinez. I can only see this as the blind leading the blind. Damn right I am angry. aren't we all.

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{Ed025's Note - i wish i could argue with you mate..

04 Apr 2016 05:38:22
Bkk. frustration and anger. I think a good number of U. S. Have felt it since last season. However, I disagree about the quality of players. For me the 'philosophy ' is rotten to the core. yes the team have demonstrated attacking capability, but the problem lies with the manager. He has come out and said there is no plan b, the players still tippy tippy it about, Ross still turns towards his own goal and rom is still isolated, subs are poor and ill timed. this is all Martinez doing. he needs to go. a good manager would have this team were it belongs.

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{Ed025's Note - im leaning towards Bkk,s take on things jcl, yes the manager is a plonker but i feel we as supporters are guilty of bigging up this bunch of players as quality when in fact they are mediocre at best..

04 Apr 2016 06:12:04
Fair enough ed but Jon stones for example has been the same since the chelsea saga. ross coming deep fir the ball and looking nervous going fwd, Geri never / rarely tracking back, tippy tappy constantly, goalie kicking ball to stones instead of taking goal kick, playing Howard who clearly in matter stages of career. for me its a cumulative effect - how poor they have played. and at the root of it all is martinez. I don't believe that Robert huth is better than any of our centre backs yet he's in a TEAM that's playing simple but effective football ed. the difference I a manager who's only philosophy I hard work. mahrez himself said thus in a bbc interview 4 months ago.

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{Ed025's Note - bobby is obviously the main culprit i agree jcl, but lets not forget the players role in this debacle mate..

04 Apr 2016 06:52:08
I'm more inclined to agree with jcl. I'd like to think that they would play with more consistency and be more defensively organised under a manager who has more than one game plan. A manager who commands respect would do them all the world of good and I reckon we would kick on. Put it this way, if any of them were to leave then RM would be my choice. It would be interesting to see how they perform under a new boss.

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04 Apr 2016 07:51:30
I 100% agree with one line there Bkkblue 'what made us a good team has gone'

Exactly, that's because Martinez has infiltrated his style, tactics (or lack of) and philosophy in the team.

I'd love to see what a new manager would do with this squad. With our last manager we were finishing in top 6 consistently. You have to ask yourself why are we not now?

Especially when the manager started his job promised champions league.

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04 Apr 2016 09:43:15
Unfortunately for RM he did state that he would bring CL football to Everton, unfortunately for us he did not say when. I still think he believes that this team is still work in progress and to some degree he is right. We have a group of players that have the potential to be really good. The question is how long does he get to try to achieve his ambition. At the end of this season he will have had two full seasons to have put his stamp on the team if by the end of the season we finish outside the top 10 then I think we could all agree that he has failed as a manager. If however we finish in the top 8 which is achievable, not that I think its likely, and win the cup then I think the board will see the season as successful. RM will then be given extra time to continue to build his team. Either way I think his job is on the line. For all those who think we should get rid now I disagree I think we would be better to keep him until the end of the season when we can have a proper assessment of his tenure. It would also give the board more time to determine would would be our new manager if we were to need one.

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04 Apr 2016 10:25:44
The value of a good manager is getting the best from your players each week, which is what has happened this year at Leicester and West ham as prime examples, they have belief and confidence in themselves and have a great team ethic.
Some would argue that Leicester have overachieved, but no different to what Moyes did with us, remember he got in the CL (albeit a short run) with the likes of Marcus Bent.
Yesterday was not a bad performance but we never really looked like we had the confidence to win it, and yet again one mistake was the costly difference.

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04 Apr 2016 14:50:03
I disagree. We have scored plenty of goals this season, so I wouldn't say we are an awful team. Our problem is generally conceding goals. Would you say we have a poor defence? I think that Jagielka, Coleman, Baines and Funes Mori are good players, and Stones has potential. With that in mind, 90% of the blame rests with the manager's tactics.

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03 Apr 2016 23:57:25
You don't get to make a massive fortune, without being a smart man, just hope our new owner, takes his own view on Martinez, rather than being hudwinked by uncle bill. Loyalty is, in principal, a good think, but surely it has to be earned, not just given.

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