Everton Banter Archive July 03 2015

 

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03 Jul 2015 23:24:16
. mmmm. new stadium plans seemed to of gone very quiet for quite some time now, anyone know what's going on or what is no longer going on or what was never maybe going on.or can we not afford this going forward either?

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04 Jul 2015 00:40:17
Zackiii,
Do you know how much a garage costs in London.
Bill can't afford both mate.

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04 Jul 2015 03:17:51
It was all a bluff expect nothing more or less from this comedy show that's running our club bunch of clowns they are.

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04 Jul 2015 15:58:08
And what do you know about running a football club? Answer nothing.

None of us do. Are Everton a success? WBA and Newcastle would both love to have the stability we have at Everton. They both almost went down last season and have spent plenty of time in the lower divisions in the last 10 years. Get a bloody grip. It does my head in.

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04 Jul 2015 18:21:22
Really? We should be content as WBA and Newcastle would like our 'stability' (you know, not going anywhere). That says a lot about the inferiority complex Kenwright loves at the club.

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03 Jul 2015 22:07:03
Like many I was taken in by Martinez in season one. He was found out big time last season and many factors such as pre season, back room issues, morale, tactical inflexibility, team selection, substitution decisions / indecision, set pieces all played a part. Still haven't forgotten abject performances such as Hull and Kiev away. The least said about post match press conferences the better.

Well the new season awaits and whatever my misgivings I want him to do well because I want Everton to do well. I still have high expectations. Why? Because on our day we have shown that we can compete with top four sides. Also if you don't approach games thinking you can win you may as well give up. Therefore the manager needs to analyse last season and learn the lessons and start the new season well or he will be under intense pressure.

So far the pre season plan looks more full on and more competitive and transfer business has been early for a change.

His success this remaining window is to play hardball keep hold of our key young players. There needs to be a few more additions clearly centre back and up front, but as I've said before I can't see him being entrusted with too big a budget, so he needs to get it right .

I would be happy for him to sell a some of those who apparently want to leave Mirralas and McGeady. Lukaku needs to knuckle down, get some support have a blinding season and a Euros then he will have earned his agent another big pay day. Stones and Coleman seem more adult about things. I think they are both grateful for what EFC have given them and both signed long term contracts. McCarthy I like and although he's on a long deal too I can see how new players on better deals will destabilise things.

Televised games announced so seasons getting close. Bring it on

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04 Jul 2015 01:15:15
Good post

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04 Jul 2015 11:06:44
The season margined took over pre season wa already installed place the players knew about it because moves was a creature off habit so he was comfortable and so we're the players so everything went well last season you're had the world cup and marginez had other distractions like TV work so poor planning force last year we had a massive injury list starting within barley on the Thursday before the opening game and the list went on Mccarthy miracles luau stones Coleman jags so last year was poor in terms off per for ancestors because off the injury as well as poor management so those year he has no excuses so watch those space luv ya coyb

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04 Jul 2015 11:50:28
Tedster, I am with you on this. but I have one major reservation. and I know this will upset a lot of fellow Blues but here goes. The last 2 seasons of Moyes gave us very entertaining and fat flowing football. We literally battered some of the lower teams. We used our 2 full backs to the max and they both chipped in with overlapping performances and an abundance of goals. Most games we achieved 70% possession and when we played the top teams we wee starting to compe for the first time in a decade. RM came in and has started to change the team into his own. First season was a breath of fresh air. Last season was terrible. Not for our position. but for our performances. Ok we ended with a reasonable points tally.but we battered no one all season. I think we won 5 of our last 7 on memory but they were all scrappy and at times lucky results. as were most of the wins we managed to achieve. I just hope that RM has the ability to get us playing better again. but I have my doubts.as you obviously do.

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04 Jul 2015 14:03:56
Please let the moyes thing go degs it's over he's gone :)

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04 Jul 2015 14:07:48
what does Moyes have to do with anything Degsy? What about the 8 years prior to those last 2 seasons. The last of which was not exciting as we played hoof the ball until January. We never competed with top teams, we fluffed it at Old Trafford, terrible at the Emirates, played a boring as hell draw at Anfield and got beat By Torres at Chelsea. We did nothing in the cups again, we went 1-0 up at Wembley and Mr Negative sat back, like against Chelsea in the final of 09 and it cost us again. The first season under Martinez alone was better and more exciting than anything Moyes cooked up in 10 years, combined.

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03 Jul 2015 19:45:50
Unfortunately we can't compete with the big boys just out our depth.
If Chelsea come up with the right money 4 stones he's off if not this season u can bet your bottom dollar it will b next season & the same goes for lukaku, mcarthy, coleman or whoever.
Unless muppet Martinez get us top 4 every season I'm afraid it's only matter of time b4 they go

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03 Jul 2015 21:13:03
Calm down Jonsey, you're making me look like lord positive with all these doomy posts.

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03 Jul 2015 21:21:27
Aye chin up suppose but after last season can u blame me

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03 Jul 2015 21:29:19
Not really

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03 Jul 2015 19:21:43
Hi
Are we going to enter contract talks with Mcarthy we need him to stay and be happy

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03 Jul 2015 19:04:46
Guys I thought I'd ask here as I honestly would like to know.

Barkley, is he as good as we are all told? I rated him the season before last and thought this boy can go far but for last 16 months I really have gone off him. He seems to be very selfish and looks like he has a big fish small pond attitude.

Am I correct or way off the mark?

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03 Jul 2015 20:29:56
He does not have a football brain Chris, regularly does not know where he is. Has the vision of a blind man wearing a blindfold whilst in a pitch black room. Shoots from anywhere within 90 yards, usually out for a throw in. He does not track back, hogs the ball. Despite being nearly 6 foot 3 he gets beat in the air by 5 foot 9 players a lot. He is not fast, gets bullied off the ball and is always on the floor. He never supports Lukaku and, like Rodwell, is a headless chicken on and off the ball. I am desperate for him to be sold while we can still make money on him.

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{Ed001's Note - so you like him then?}

03 Jul 2015 20:40:19
I actually think he has become more of a team player in passing more often where as the season before he was makin more solo runs something he is very good at also think the pressure got to him last season a bit hopefully we will see a better Barkley this season and a better everton

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03 Jul 2015 20:42:09
Make or break season for barkley.
Was supposed to b best thing since sliced bread still blowing hot & cold.
No excuse this season though no world cup so is well rested & should be raring 2 go.
For me he hasn't lived up to his potential ain't scored as many as Rooney & Gerrard did @ his age.
City's interest in him has gone by the wayside so wot does that tell u looked little boy lost for much of last season

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03 Jul 2015 21:14:54
Love him ed, great lad but not a great footballer.

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{Ed001's Note - I would never have guessed you didn't rate him as a player. You really need to stop beating about the bush and get off that fence Swan. Tell us your true feelings about him, rather than mincing your words......}

03 Jul 2015 22:25:17
t the end of the day Swan has him to a 't'. Either he needs to wake up n realise that he needs to start learning basic football game management or piss off to Chelsea where he won't need any game management as the players there will do it for him, that's when he starts a game there like!!

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03 Jul 2015 22:43:08
Agree that he needs to perform next season, but it's are fault tbh.
We including most news outlets had him earmarked from the season before last as being " The next Rooney" and England's future hope for trophys ect .

You can imagine the pressure this has put on him , I mean even if he had a similar career to Osman that would be seen as a failure.

On top of that I can imagine him to play fifa and it can't have helped when he was bumped up from a 71-77 rated player, this probably gave him a sense of false achievement.

Haven't got a clue what was up with Ross last season but he looked like the player that started against QPR a few years ago. Clearly talented but no idea of when to pass or shoot .

It's so annoying to watch he will have the ball in space with an opportunity to pass but he chooses to shoot instead and then when he should let a shot off he chooses to pass.

I know most of you will say boll*cks, but I feel the injury he suffered and the age that he was has really stifled his development.

So yeah, he needs to have a good one next season and bringing cleverly in should take a bit off pressure off him also.


Quick note on cleverly, I've seen a few people annoyed by his signing.
Have you all forgot 4 years ago we had the bloody midfield maestro that is phill Neville playing cm.

For me his game is all about releasing the ball quickly moving receiving and so on.

Last season are play at times was the sort of thing I'd expect to see down the park.
Him signing is only going to be a good thing IMO.

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03 Jul 2015 22:52:04
Leave the lad alone. He will come good, but not if every time he gets the ball people are jumping on his back. I think half you lot want him to fail. It's a nasty trait that's becoming a regular thing at our home games last season. Get behind them and support them. And before you start with they earn bla bla bla. So what they all earn a bloody fortune, far far to much but that's how it is.
Right time for bed.

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04 Jul 2015 01:52:28
Really? We are basing how he is being affected because he was upgraded on a Football game?. Please tell me I'm imagining it.

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05 Jul 2015 08:50:20
Okay Swan

You may think that what I said about Fifa was stupid and maybe it was but think of it this way.

You work in a office , at the end of the year a report comes out rating every staff members performance over the year.

If you where at the bottom at the start of the year and ended up at the top I bet you'd feel pretty good.

Say If it was a sales role and everybody was saying " He's the next Alan sugar "

The year after the pressure would be on to at least match the performance you showed the previous year.

And then when you aren't quite matching the same form as the previous year people would start doubting you and you would probably start to doubt yourself aswell.

For whatever reasons last season Ross looked like he had 0 confidence. In my opinion it would be wise to assess him over the summer and possible try to take him out of the spotlight a bit.

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03 Jul 2015 19:28:14
Cannot believe we are considering offering Gibson a new contract. Unless it's pay as you play.

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03 Jul 2015 19:35:28
Sez it all gibbo in 4 one out for rest of season

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03 Jul 2015 21:32:01
Stoke & palace linked with cabaye,how come we ain't linked interested in him a quality proven midfielder who has an eye for goal.
Never mind eh cleverley on board now eh Jesus Christ shows the clubs lack of ambition.
Leicester made cheeky 12 mill bid for Charlie Austin.
Leicester for god sake how come were not interested

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03 Jul 2015 18:44:09
Mcarthy not in same bracket as world class Gerrard or lampard were in their day.
I mean after all he's not on pittance money is he.needs to knuckle down & focus playing for mighty blues.
Sounds to me his head has been turned by spurs who will double his already massive salary.
All I'm saying if he doesn't wanna be here move on no player bigger than the club.
Not as if he scores 15 goals a season but there again neither is cleverley but that's Martinez decision not mine.

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03 Jul 2015 20:12:50
How does it sound like hos head has been turned?. He has watched players like Barkley, Osman and Cleverley all end up on more money than him when he is much better.

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03 Jul 2015 20:42:43
Still a lot of paper talk jonsey McCarthy will sign a new contract

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03 Jul 2015 20:54:13
McCarthy still got 2 if not 3 yrs left on his contract so no rush.
At the mo club have other more pressing matters to be getting on with.Now isn't right time to be making noises about more money just do wot your paid to do & if he plays well then I'm sure he'll be rewarded with a bumper pay day

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03 Jul 2015 22:55:13
Apart from the players, their agents and the club, nobody knows what they earn. So stop talking bull shine.

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03 Jul 2015 10:52:22
Ed what did we do to the Daily Mail reporter? Must have offered him poor hospitality at games. Every week he mentions a different player who wants to leave, or is being sold. Do reporters have agents? And is this guy's the same one as Maccas? Be glad when the window closes. But could we get Praet first please :)

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{Ed025's Note - the daily mirror is a rag woburn mate, they make up stories to get a reaction...dont bite mate..

03 Jul 2015 10:26:36
Hi Ed can you shed any light on the McCarthy situation seems absolutely crazy to me that we wouldn't get the lad to sign a new deal for me holding on to him is far more important than new faces coming in

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{Ed025's Note - im sure plans are in place for a new deal aspey, if we lose him then i will truly fear for the club mate..

03 Jul 2015 16:19:34
No rumour but what about a cheeky bid for Van Persie?

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03 Jul 2015 17:21:10
Injury prone, 200k a week, 32, not as good as he was. No thank you.

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{Ed025's Note - i think we finally agree swan.. :)

03 Jul 2015 19:01:42
Swan doesn't rate him LOL!

Swan other than a handful of Everton players is there any others u do rate?

Cheer up old chap, don't take life to seriously, u will never get out alive.

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03 Jul 2015 20:14:14
Where did I say I didn't rate him? Try again.

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03 Jul 2015 15:36:47
Any links to diko from wolves, would be a quality signing great support for ROM and has a not of pace.

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03 Jul 2015 17:26:21
hopefully not.

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03 Jul 2015 12:34:40
Don't want to sell Colalman, but it it is to happen, cold hard cash please, do not even consider Johney Evenes, they shold pay us, or some other unsuspecting soul, to take this joke off their hands.

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03 Jul 2015 11:20:28
Beyond belief mcarthy frustrated @ not being offered improved contract. wot sort of contract were u on @ Wigan then.
Greedy B get rid

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03 Jul 2015 12:56:05
If you'd worked somewhere on minimum wage for 2 years and been one of the best workers then they hire someone new to do the same job as you but pay him double would you be frustrated? i'm sure you would, McCarthy is one of our best players he isn't greedy he deserves a better contract and we definitely shouldn't be thinking about selling him!

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03 Jul 2015 16:22:18
McCarthy is one of our top performers, and Cleverley is on a bigger wage! I would be frustrated if someone who is not as good as me was getting paid a lot more!

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03 Jul 2015 09:11:55
Ed what is it with other clubs valuations of our players .They must no something we don't as no matter how long players have on contracts it seems 15 mil will get all our best players Coleman stones McCarthy these alledged bids will only buy one leg so if any of them want the other leg they better get serious .The cheek of spurs is beyond belief think they can give us a third choice winger and a donkey that carnt get near the team for are most influential midfielder they must think we are in a bad way.The fact they paid 30 mil for a Argi no one had heard of who was crap but think they can palm us of with deadwood is a insult to our club .Meanwhile over at united they really are taking the piss there sides are already hurting at us taking there worst player of the books that they are going to try and take one of the best attacking full backs in world football for 15 mil while also trying to negotiate there second worst player into the deal.Having paid 30mil for shaw who is average at best (this kid played half a season but still could not go with the u21 squad due to fatigue joke)they must think we are muppets .We do not need Evans and apparently don't need the money but teams still think they can come in with stupid bids and be in with a shout of getting the player we must not sell are best players and if the player wants to go we must start the bids at around the 25 mil mark

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{Ed002's Note - Everton has to agree to any offers as well. If Everton want more they need to negotiate.}

03 Jul 2015 10:22:53
It is annoying to rad these Am8 but the reality is this

It's lazy paper talk, and we haven't actually received any bids. So it's all tosh mate.

Our problem is we can't break the champions league closed shop but we have players who are easily at that level. So the media need to sell them for us. Aren't they considerate.

You are right when you say we don't have to sell as we are good financially. So even if bids come in they would have to be difficult to turn down before we consider them. And by that I mean over £30 million in Coleman and McCarthys case and over £40 million in the case of Stones and Lukaku

We Are Everton
We Don't Sell Cheap

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03 Jul 2015 10:43:45
Am8 its paper talk and rumors don't get worked up about speculation there's no point. You can start to worry when an official bid is made mate until then sit back and laugh at the ridiculousness of one eyed journos that just don't have a clue about being a blue.

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03 Jul 2015 08:10:51
Its got to rubbish what the papers are saying about a Coleman - Evans swap surely?

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03 Jul 2015 10:43:14
I hope so. I would rather get 15m for Coleman than 15m plus Evans.

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