Everton Banter Archive December 30 2018

 

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30 Dec 2018 21:21:38
this season gana has averaged 4.1 "clean" tackles per game against 1.6 fouls per game so for every 8 tackles he does 3 fouls.
compare that with fernandiho who gets 2.1 tackles and 1.4 fouls.
or kante 1.7 tackles to 0.9 fouls.
or fabinho 2.1 tackles to 1.4 fouls.

Point am getting at is yes he has slightly and i mean slightly more fouls than these players but pretty much double the clean tackles. Sorry H mate but for me he's the best holding midfielder in the prem.

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30 Dec 2018 23:27:44
Okay Johny, I merely said I didn't think he was a great tackler. It's a personal opinion. But hey-ho, seeing as you are being so pedantic about it and you are determined to be more right with your opinion than I am with mine I shall bow to your 'superior knowledge'.

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30 Dec 2018 23:41:14
Agree he can defend. But can’t pass a ball to save his life, or attack with pace. Something the for mentioned are very good at.

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30 Dec 2018 23:47:59
H I was only pointing out that he is integrel to our game mate we have others who can pass the ball forward like Gomes or gylfi his job is to win it back.

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31 Dec 2018 00:50:40
No-one said he's not a good defender. No-one said he's not a vital part of the team. All I said was I didn't think he was a great tackler. You have your opinion and I have mine so let's just leave it at that.

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31 Dec 2018 09:27:19
wasnt trying to upset u H purely pointing out he's one of the best tacklers in the league especially for a midfield player. Suppose i may defend r players a bit much mate and it probably grates on a few posters so i apologise if i annoy anyone on here i just dnt get the let's abuse r own players attitude of some on here, not u H, just in general.

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31 Dec 2018 19:13:42
Not upset Johny, far from it lad. You have your opinion and I have mine. Happy New Year.

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30 Dec 2018 16:25:22
I would like to see us playing Bernard as a false 9. Richarlison on the left and Lookman on the left. Gomes and Sigurdson MC with Gueye CDM. Coleman, Keane, Mina and Digne as back four.
I think this would benefit the wide men and get Bernard on the ball in more dangerous areas and give him the freedom too.

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30 Dec 2018 21:59:42
* Lookman on right.

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30 Dec 2018 22:07:26
Fair bit of creativity on that left there yea. Just leave Coleman with the whole right side to maraud you thinking? ;)

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31 Dec 2018 09:28:39
could work mate would be very creative and would play to richarlisons strengths i suppose.

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31 Dec 2018 14:25:20
Except Bernard won't score enough goals and Lookman can't defend. I'd like to see if either Bernard or Richarlison could play right side well enough while someone teaches Lookman how to defend.

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31 Dec 2018 15:19:25
Singin the Blues, what we need is a RW and RB or Kenny as RB with Coleman reverting to backup. Putting Lookman at RW is just putting square pegs in round holes. In short what we need is two quality players for every position. Last window we addressed the CB, LB and LW positions, this window, although highly unlikely and improbable, seeing as how we A, have already spent a huge amount, B. Anyone of quality is, going to cost a fortune, January is notorious for that. C. We have to face the fact, that unless there is a hidden bargain out there (and there are 19 other Prem Clubs also looking) we just have to go with what we have. We are not going to improve upon last season, not unless we have a storming second half to 2018/ 19. Summer window will be the one where RW, RB, Striker and perhaps GK is addressed.

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31 Dec 2018 15:48:19
Ktf what position do you see Lookman then?
If we play a false 9 the two wingers would be more advanced pushing the opposition fullbacks back, therefore not a need to have the responsibility of defending.
Bernard being in a roaming role would score more goals and be more of a threat as being out on the left hi seems isolated and wanting to check back onto his right foot.
I do agree maybe Kenny should be given his opportunity now. Still not ruling out Coleman yet.

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30 Dec 2018 11:47:54
Hey Ed 025 there have been a few ludicrous posts on here after our loss to Brighton, why are so few Everton fans so fickle is beyond me, so we lost yesterday to very unlucky goal for them the ball bounces off Gomes and straight to them an in it goes, up the other end we hit the post and the bar not to mention a few other chances, until we get an out and out striker this will continue to happen, take Spurs (and they have Harry) 3-1 by Wolves Arsenal 5-1 to Liverpool, Chelsea lost recently and so did Man City you can't win them all, some on here need to get more realistic Marco and Marcel have only been here a short while and compared to the absolute rubbish that was churned out week in and week out was nothing short of abysmal, give me what we are getting now any day, for goodness sake they need time to turn this around they ohave only had one window to start putting right what was so wrong here and up to now are doing an excellent job and we are very lucky to have them.

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{Ed025's Note - he does need time GB i fully agree, but we have had a few poor performances lately and that will always dictate the positivity of posts, marco is doing a bit too much tinkering for me but he does not know his best side or formation yet so i can forgive him that, lets hope we can see leicester off on tuesday mate and get everyone back on side..

30 Dec 2018 15:57:07
Agree Ed mate yes there have been a few poor performances but this happens to all sides and he does tinker but hey in the short time he has been here I think he should be commended for what he has to work with, there are still a few players inherited and he has had only had one window to make up his team, just remember how we were playing last season before he arrived LOL, don't want to go down that road again mate.

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{Ed025's Note - me neither GB, we all said it was not a quick fix mate and he has to be given time to form his own team..

30 Dec 2018 16:19:56
Marco has made changes recently but only as we have played a lot of games in a short period. Before then I think it was a fairly settled team.

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30 Dec 2018 16:30:52
True mate.

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30 Dec 2018 16:39:43
aaahhhh GB as always mate the voice of reason, good post pal.

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30 Dec 2018 19:25:22
Cheers mate will probably ruffle a couple of feathers but hey this what this site is all about Happy New Year Mate.

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30 Dec 2018 20:31:23
happy new year matey.

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31 Dec 2018 21:31:52
Totally agreed on right path. As for unsettled team, In November he played what I think he would call his best team every game. Since then he has rotated couple each game with exception of some defensive players. I remember May (just about) being bored to tears and a empty stadium for the end of season lap of honour. Can't see that happening now so surely that is progress.

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30 Dec 2018 12:29:07
I don't really blame the current setup for our demise - what i do see as the main reason why we are 10-15 years behind the top 6 is the lack of investment 15 years ago - BK kept us afloat but with no real investment hence we have fallen way behind - just imagine if Moyes had real investment what sort of position as a club we could have been in - teams like city, chelsea gained investment years ago and look at what they have achieved since - we on the other hand stagnated and we were one of the top 6 clubs 20 years ago but no investment has caused us to drop down and now we have investment we are trying to play catch up - millions upon millions of pounds spent and no further forward - its like we are trying to buy our way up the league quickly.

Yes the current manager has faults but so has Allardyce, Koeman etc - not sure where we go from here but I would suggest it will be another 5-10 years before we are competing with the top 4.

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30 Dec 2018 12:23:14
Interesting stat on MOTD last night, Silvas 2017/18 record at this stage with Watford is exactly the same as his 2018/19 record with us only difference is the goal difference.

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30 Dec 2018 13:45:18
Top half this season will be fine and progress next season . we need to be patient and stick with the manager no more sacking.

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{Ed002's Note - Hourd have stuck with Allardyce then - better results, better targets and no unbalanced side.}

30 Dec 2018 14:48:20
Thing is Ed002, some would rather see pretty tip tap, attack, oh didn't we play well football even when we lost. Even saw a quite ridiculous 'would rather get relegated playing nice football than stay up, playing Alardyce'. Should have seen the blokes contract out and seen where we where. Instead we flaunt rules and regulations to bring in a man with no CV at this level except failure. Football is a results business, finishing high in the prem can earn millions. Under Moyes we won 1-0 many a game, under Kendal we won 1-0 many a game, all with hand to mouth investment. We were a Club hard to beat. That should be the first priority, hard to beat. Sorry for the rant. Frustrated at same mistakes over and over again.

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{Ed002's Note - That became clear last week with people saying they love to see the way the team is playing now and would prefer relegation to Sam Allardyce - who of course saved Everton from the threat and gave a good return.}

30 Dec 2018 16:50:08
So you also don't think silver was the right choice? i agree but surely he can't be worse than SAM.

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30 Dec 2018 23:01:14
I firmly stand by what I said, however don’t take it out if context.

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31 Dec 2018 00:50:26
Let's get Allardyce's reign in perspective. Unsworth won 2, lost 2 and drew 1 in the Premiership taking Everton out of relegation into 13th by finding a way for Rooney and Sigurdson to play in the same team and by getting the team playing with passion for the club. Allardyce's first game was a win against Huddersfield which I'd also credit to Unsworth as it was just a few days after his last game in charge (great win over West Ham) . Then we finished 8th. We are now in 10th just 2 points off 7th and playing way more attractive football with lots of new players settling in and manager trying to work out his best 11 as you'd expect. So, yeah Allardyce did his job however hard it was to watch but I don't get people comparing the current situation negatively with the time under Allardyce. It's a different situation: building rather than just surviving.

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{Ed002's Note - Unsworth was nothing to do with it.}

30 Dec 2018 10:55:46
still say we finish 7th year possibly 6th then improve again over next two windows and challange 4th next season, up the toffeessssss COYB ISWT IBWT IMWT.

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30 Dec 2018 11:08:38
Well that’s optimistic. But I’m in.

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30 Dec 2018 11:21:42
Admire your optimism Johnny89 but on what evidence? I reckoned top half and also said Christmas we would see, by Tuesday 2019 we could be starting 12th, none of this transition talk please. Silva only appears to have 6 months in him, I. E. a short sharp shock Manager. Brought in central defenders but still the same problems. Players out of form still being picked, is this heart above head coaching? Certainly seems that way to me. Hammer a team (albeit a poor one) 5-1 and next game change the team, just does not make sense. All the facts and stats, show that this side has far from progressed actually gone backwards since Moyes left, as has Moyes himself.

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30 Dec 2018 11:50:27
before he came to the prem he won things at each club, he had hull who wer going down and almost saved them, let's be honest tho jesus himself wasnt saving that team, then he went to watford done well yes had his head turned and i then personally think the players stopped playing for him as soon as he left they had an upturn with exactly same players. he's come to everton, inherited a lot ov below average players and has us fighting against top teams yes we don't win as many as we should but let's give him more than 1 window to work a mirical mate, he has a clear out in jan as best he can and gets 2 players in, clears out more in summer gets say 3 in, then that will be his team, let's see what he does next year with his team. Or the othe option is let's call hom crap sack him amd start again from scratch then come the end ov the season sack the new fella because we never won the fa cup and came 8th then get a new fella in and start again. I know which option i want, give silva 3 years at everton and wer top 4 level team with brands supplying young hungry players for silva to work with.

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30 Dec 2018 12:07:12
Can't see it but respect your opinion. We all support the same Team no matter what our opinion, that's the main thing.

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30 Dec 2018 12:34:44
very true bill, i miggt be lying to myself mate its only my opinion and we all know the saying about opinions there like ###holes everyone has one. best thing about blies os wer have been gash all December our closest rivals are running away with the luegue but i bet we sell out for Lincoln, proper fans us blues.

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30 Dec 2018 15:39:49
It’s consistency we are looking for at moment which is why getting into top 6 is the problem you only have to look at the results from teams in and around us, Marco will need another window to take us further and I mean summer window for that, but if you look at the whole picture we are a better team than we were last season, I don’t know why fans go into games thinking we should beat them the prem has changed from those days Burnley are playing wonderful football today after us thumping them 5-1.

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30 Dec 2018 09:37:46
It was definitely a bad day at the office yesterday, but with so many games crammed into such a relatively short period of time fatigue has to be a factor in why we performed so poorly. I'm not trying to excuse the players - the same ones btw who made the win at Burnley look effortless - but it has to be taken into consideration. Walcott was useless, Bernard was poor, as was Mina, and Richy was acting like a baby. Even Gomez was off key for once. Brighton frustrated us and bullied us and got a lucky break with the deflection off Gomez whereas we once again wasted chances when they came our way. I'm sure things will improve as the season progresses, and although I sometimes question his tactics I'm sure Silva will get it right. COYB!

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{Ed025's Note - lets hope so BigH, that was very poor yesterday and we lacked intensity and heart for me mate..

30 Dec 2018 11:06:47
Don't see how you can use fatigue as an excuse. All the teams are playing week in week out. Lack of a leader on the pitch is what is letting them down, I see no leaders out there. Need someone on the pitch to tell the likes of Walcott to pull his bloody finger out, and Richarlison to stop feeling sorry for himself and get into them. We don't have that, so there is no drive.

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30 Dec 2018 11:32:38
You're right it was poor Ed and the lack of intensity just adds to my fatigued theory. Just look at the passion Idrissa showed after having a break - albeit through injury. He not great at tackling, but he was one of a select few who looked up for it. I think if we can get past Leicester without too much drama things will begin to imptove. Even with all the negatives I do believe we are a much better team than we have been for a while. It just needs time for all the components to gel.

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30 Dec 2018 16:17:52
Gueye not good at tackling? Seriously he’s got one of the best stats in the league.
Maybe one thing if he goes to PSG is his replacement would be more vocal and a leader in midfield. I think Gueye is a quality player but every team needs strong personalities in the team. I believe Mina will be this leader in the back four once settled.
Not sure if Doucoure is a leader?

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30 Dec 2018 16:54:04
sorry H ya lost me there mate gana not great at tackling hahahaha no he's not great he's exceptional.

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30 Dec 2018 17:39:57
Woburn - I actually said I'm not trying to excuse the players, just that it has to be a factor, something you'd have noticed if you'd read it properly. STB and Johny - He may have great stats for tackling, but do those stats tell you if they are clean or clumsy tackles? I like him and I'm not saying he CAN'T tackle or is bad at it ALL the time, but a lot of fouls given against us in the final third are for clumsy tackling, and who's involved in a lot of them? Gueye. You may not like the message but hey, don't shoot the messenger ;-p.

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30 Dec 2018 09:00:54
OK I bit my tongue for a while but reading all the posts below just tells me that some of you cannot see the fire for the smoke! Firstly I will point out what I have been saying for ages. Forget about center forwards for a moment. Look at the result. Look at how we conceded. Look at how the team was set up. I am so pleased with Silva at times. The players he has brought in. The way we attack again. How close we are to having a really great team. He has us playing football again. Now the sting in the tail (but I still want Silva) . he had a run of games when Mina first recovered from injury when he played a back 4. Mina looked like a giant. Since then, he has played back 5's and other weird formations and tinkered a little bit too much for my liking. I would have been happier yesterday with a bck 4 and in fact the same team as last week! Why change it so dramatically after such a great performance? And now my main point. all season we have conceded goals from set pieces. We set up with zonal marking. We concede a goal nearly every game whoever we play. A decent center forward will not stop that. Better defending will. It should be easy to cure. Watch videos af all the games. I am sure Mr Silva is looking at this. It used to happen under Roberto Martinez. We just couldn't defend set pieces. We have conceded 30 goals and I would bet a huge chunk of those were set pieces. Literally a few minutes each game. that's all we have to improve on. Surely that is just coaching and tactics? Yes a center forward would be nice. But like ED002 says from money from where for a really top one? It has to be a kid or last legs player or an unknown one. Anyway the easy way of climbing that table is to concede fewer goals from set pieces!

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30 Dec 2018 09:55:30
I totally agree, Silva should never of changed a winning team, did we need a back 5 against a team who cannot score, no we didn't, we played into there hands and got punished, hope he learns his lesson.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you simon..

30 Dec 2018 10:13:47
Great post, balanced and objective and pretty spot on. Last season conceded 8 goals from set pieces -this season 10 already. Worth pointing out in case anyone had forgotten though last season we shipped a league high 46 from open play. Further supports the simple fact if sort out set pieces we will be much more solid, as this season we have only shipped 16 from open play. We may be moving side ways in terms of points/ position but I have at least enjoyed some games this season, last year even the victories left a sour taste!

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30 Dec 2018 10:30:39
Thanks for that stat EFCONE. It perfectly demonstrates what I am on about. I would guess if we could cut out just half of those goals we would be higher up that table. I have seen too many goals this season whereby we have controlled the game, looked like we would get something out of it and then given a corner or free kick away. and I immediately think, "why not just improve our defending at set pieces? " that's where we are losing these points. So 30 less conceded from open play! That tells a story and I am sure Mr Silva will see this and have statititions telling him all of this. A good manager listens as well as talks!

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30 Dec 2018 10:53:06
degs not that i dnt agree with a lot ov what u said but you contradicted yourself as you said you wanted a back 4 and the same team as last week, we played a 3 aat the back last week and won 5-1 am putting yesterday down to one ov those days, just lile spurs had just lile Leicester had leeds had there wer loads of mad results yesterday.

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Review Of The Day 30th December 2018

30 Dec 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 30th December 2018

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