Everton Banter Archive August 30 2013

30 Aug 2013 20:48:42
Will be interesting to see who has come in and gone out by out of the transfer window, McCarthy and Ince deals almost complete. Baines and Fellaini I can see both going. Would to see us sign a top left back as replacement to allow Oviedo and garbutt time to develop further and a cheeky bid for Julio Cesar ;) dunno why, but I think he'd do we'll for us!

Why would we need another keeper Aaron? Tim still has a few years left in him yet and Robles can only get better and is very young so should be the natural successor to TH. Cesar would be a total waste of wages and loan/ transfer fee.
if you're joking then please forgive my ignorance.

30 Aug 2013 19:40:55
Hi guys and girls. Just a quick one, I've posted a picture (in the Everton sightings section) of my design of the new crest. I'd appreciate some feed back of what you guys think and what I should change and what people like.

Cheers ears.

Everton Al. {Ed025's Note - very creative al..i like it mate..

Totally different mate but have to admit I like it.

I like it mate.
Charlieblue

Thanks guys. I'm pretty happy with it. I'm thinking about changing the scarfs for scrolls but I'm undecided. I'll have a play with the design. I like it because its different, with enough from the old badge so people reconize it.

Everton Al.

That's a good effort
Quinny

Thanks Ed. I doubt it will be for everyone. It's abit different but still keeps the key features. Just an idea anyway. {Ed025's Note - works for me mate.

Love it AL if we played rugby it would be great.thers just a little bit much going on less is more as they say

Awful. Sorry mate. Too much going on.

Nice and colourful Al but may me a bit 'cluttered'. No disrespect intended, good effort though.

Thanks everyone. Your views are very much appreciated, good and bad. I'll have another go next week and see what you guys think. It's pretty fun sketching on an iPad but can be a bloody nightmare too some times! Haha. I'll post another crest soon.

Everton Al.

I like it but to be honest with how busy it is why not just have our beloved crest

30 Aug 2013 19:28:16
Telly on, footy, bet on Chelsea 4/1 no wonder I'm an Evertonian - Glutting for punishment!
I must say on this whole Baines/Fellaini drama, I've got to admire Kenwright here for doing a Levy, why shouldn't he take Utd for every penny? and get one over Moyes as its looking pretty desperate for him now.
As for reports both have asked for deals to be struck, where's the proof? no ones said FACT!. and even if it is fact then it's nothing Rooney or the cannibal haven't done so far.
The way I see it is stay or go its win win, chin up there's a long way to go.

All players are replaceable that's what a manager is employed to do, part and parcel, personally I'd take great satisfaction in crucifying the mancs for well over the odds

Will hughes great on the ball crap without it can't tackle looks very weak.mccathy yes good strong lad at 22 will become a top player.ince no no no bad attitude won't get in the team.barry will suit rm style slow build up.moses yes more direct than kev and peanuts .

30 Aug 2013 18:48:47
Would be happy if we sold the wig for £25Mill and replaced him with
McCarthy £12Mill
Ince £6Mill
Sigurdsen £5Mill

McCarthy is a work horse and will fit into the martinez system, doesn't mind throwing in a tackle, and prob fits the system better than fella does. I think a lot of people are under estimating his ability and he will quickly become a crowd favourite and certainly one of the first names on rm's team sheet. I think this move was inevitable once we gained confirmation that Moyes was off, we got rm in as his replacement and that Moyes plan was to take Fella with him to utd.
Ince will certainly give Peanuts a run for his place on left wing as will sigurdsen to both peanuts and barkley.
As last time we sold our prize asset in Rooney, we strengthened in multiple areas and found ourselves in 4th place that season, if the money is given back to rm to re invest we will do alright selling the wig.
As with Baines, although he is the best left back in the country (and his stats play in our favour due to the majority of our forward play going down his side of the pitch) not taking anything away from his ability, If we get top dollar for him now, I don't think he is likely to improve from now, and his sell on value to utd will be pretty much zero. He has given us many years of valued service, although has a couple of seasons left in him, we could always replace with more quality. An ideal window for me would see Baines stay, fella go with Mccarthy, Ince and Sigurdsen come in, and that is only because fella's performances have dropped since the new system has come in and his head had been turned by man utd. CraigHuytonBlue {Ed025's Note - good post craig..

Arrrrrrrrgh why don't people get that even if every penny of 40 mill was given to Mattinez that it does not equate to 40 mill for player purchases. It equates to around 50 with time left on the two players contracts BUT any new player of quality eg McCarthy would expect a minimum 4 year deal on at least 40k as other clubs would buy him. That adds 8 mill to his fee. Do the maths if we sell two we can buy 2 or max 3

30 Aug 2013 20:21:09
Well no not really. if you sell 2 players you have 2 players off the wage bill. felli and Baines aren't on rubbish wages. Westy

31 Aug 2013 00:15:01
fella's on £70-75K per week, if we get mccarthy on £30-35K p/w, £50K p/w Sigurdsen and Ince wages i'm not too sure on. It points towards the rest of the money we would have left over going into the wage pot to help pay wages and signing on fees.

30 Aug 2013 18:47:39
I really do feel for rm, stress levels he must have thinking he may lose his 2 best players, sounds like it out of his hands already, I just really hope he gets all the funds from any sales.and of course time to get them in.
Westy

30 Aug 2013 17:45:48
Hope Moysey puts one over the red s. sunday. {Ed025's Note - i hope its a draw..

Guessing you support man u the real everton fans couldn't care who wins now, in fact most now want liverpool to win

30 Aug 2013 16:55:19
Right sell Vic, John, Ossie and buy Torres £5 pound down rest over monthly instalments, McCarthy.
Keep Felli and Bainsey.
Job Done.

30 Aug 2013 16:30:09
Well I've seen it all now.

David Moyes, asked about Herrera at his press conference ahead of Sunday's game against Liverpool, was not prepared to name United's targets.
He said: "We would try not to disclose our bids, if that's possible. We would just let the clubs deal with it and try to do it in the professional manner."

Sorry am I missing something? Or does he and united just enjoy being tool's?
Act one way, behave another, and talk alias of shi*te inbetween!

EverTheOptimistic

It made me spit my coffee out!

Torbay Toffee

I think you will find it was Everton who released details of the initial bid.

3rd poster, you miss the point, and united released the rumours of the 28 mil bid in a sneaky way, which everton followed up a week later to confirm.

30 Aug 2013 16:19:56
What about kaka on loan

30 Aug 2013 15:44:31
We have been linked with every player going but none have arrived, I fear for deadline day I really do

Have faith mate.

30 Aug 2013 21:31:17
Is this 'Faith' available on a free? {Ed025's Note - i like it mushy, but lighten up a bit mate FFS..

30 Aug 2013 15:35:45
Ive noticed a lot of people saying on here if fellaini leaves bring in holtby and defoe, and as much as I think there decent players the problem would be we would have the smallest team in the premiership, apart from distan the team would be tiny, and in there is so much importance placed on set pieces these days I think we would struggle to defend especially against big teams like stoke and city and west ham, we'd have to take ken dodd on as a coach because he's used to working with diddy men.
ste c

31 Aug 2013 01:28:59
its not all about size its what you do with it. lol {Ed003's Note - Your lass told me about that.}

30 Aug 2013 14:54:49
Alderweireld gone to Athletico, another or bites the dust. Beginning to think we really don't have any funds for new players unless we sell. If Fella and Baines go and we don't replace them with top signings it will be an absolute disgrace

They are in CL mate be realistic

From irish blue
thats exactly what's going to happen
last minute sales no time to get decent replacements
oddly familiar

30 Aug 2013 14:36:47
So after all the toys being thrown out of the pram over the fellani and baines bid I take it Martinez will now bid the 16+m wigan rate McCarthy at straight away? No need for negotiations as u are a club with self proclaimed class? Will be interesting to see this 1 play out.
CTR

CRT I presume you are a united fan. if you wanna know why we are p!ssed at moves. the read through the banter page and find out. rather than read tabloid garbage. we have no problem with players being bid for. but t behave in the manner that city did with Prescott. public ally announcing we should sell them for their interests. although moyesey would not have if he was I charge and indeed would nt sell Rooney. also secret meetings with saf whilst stringing the fans along. finally McCarthy is a prospect. Blaine's is best lb in the prem. contrary to what some will say. and screech a very versatile intl midfielder. so a healthy and logical debate is welcome but stop inferring /speaking cack. jcl.

Whatever we do we'll do it with class and dignity. Not unsettling them by nefarious, underhanded tactics through media and tapping up tactics.

CTR, it is no secret that McCarthy is viewed as a target by us. But when asked about bids our manager acted in a dignified way and said straight no bid had been made.

He did not throw in an insult of a bid then bang on about how the player should be allowed to leave to further his career nor how as his former manager he would have accepted the personic bid.

It is called class, something Robbie has lots of and Moyes shows a distinct lack of! {Ed025's Note - very true mate..

30 Aug 2013 14:14:32
Hi lifelong blue here just reading all posts (excellent job ed's) and got thinkin IF felli and poss vic(no squad place wed? Hull) do go, I would go in for holtby sigurdsson from spurs and a chance on rhodes from b'burn then pray baines stays cheers OsBlue.

Dont think their is any chance of either it looks like spuds ar going to play two different teams this season with the new star looking at the prem and the rest playing in europe and the cups. The sooner the financial fair play is properly implemented and a wage cap comes into place the better IMO.

No, no, and no.

30 Aug 2013 13:38:43
Not too impressed with Martinez Targets Ince really?

30 Aug 2013 12:51:45
I'd be happy selling Fellaini and getting McCarthy and Ince

Then you need to get out the ale house and quick

I'd rather have fellainis AND McCarthy. Jcl

30 Aug 2013 12:37:55
Ha efc got utd by the balls - now sqeeze em until the pips sqeak 45m or fo!
Mushy via phone

Ha or we could just move on to other targets and watch kenwright brick it when the banks come calling

Spot on mushy.
we are in the driving seat here.

stewillow

Peas via email

The banks won't come calling. Those payments are up to date, hence no need to sell.
However, if RM feels selling one or both will allow him to improve our team/squad they will leave on OUR terms.

30 Aug 2013 12:07:39
Sounds to me if bk sells um both without martinez not getting a say!martinez will walk.

Martinez won't walk. He will take it as a personal challenge to build a new team, better than the one moyes built. And I'm looking forward to watching him succeed.

30 Aug 2013 12:00:02
Both players will go and to be fair they have both provided great service and if the price is right should be given the chance.

If the player comes out and says he wants to go the value goes down! This is why both players are doing the right thing and saying nothing externally. It is clear they both want to go and therefore working to what Bill & Roberto want = best price and time to get replacements.

We all love EFC but most people need to start thinking with heads rather than hearts on this forum.

£40m would be a fair price

OP you are right in terms of if either of the players want to go fair enough, we have to accept it and move on, but as far as price goes fair does not enter into this, it has to be top market value and what is best for Everton.

IMO the figure is around £22 for Baines and £26 for the wig, it may not be a fair figure but would go a long way to replacing them like for like and helping the clubs finances. That is all that matters for us.

If the players want to go that badly they will put in an official transfer request which hasn't happened yet until that happens they will stay Everton players.

30 Aug 2013 11:20:29
We paid £6 million for KONE and personally i'm not happy especially when you got likes of DEFOE knocking about for less he still defo got a couple of years left in him, any one agree

The season is only three games old. Judge Kone at the end of the season.

Spot on. judge him in may we have given big vic nearly 10 years on 3 goals a season(average) and some are saying keep him .

You are not being fair on Vic. He was young when he came into the team. Then he kept getting injured. Then he started to show promise (last season). To quote the 3 goals a season is not fair. He has never played regularly and completed a full season. I feel Kone is a similar sort of player and we will lose out on the sale value of Vic when we eventually come to sell him.
Degsypulford

30 Aug 2013 09:51:48
Anybody else think our midfield will be too lightweight if we sell felliani and replace him with Mccarthy? Need a powerhouse in the centre in my opinion

30 Aug 2013 08:48:55
40 million will be the 3rd offer, we all know what happens on the 3rd offer. there is a strong word it will happen on Saturday night. We will accept the offer no doubt about that. Who do we get in?, will BK spend?, or will we just plug with last minuet loans?. I'm thinking he will stick to type. loan moves. I'm off to Cardiff in the morning, to see the best left back to ever play for EFC for the last time, and to see one of the best attacking midfield players pull on a EFC shirt for the last time. thanks for the memory's guys, you will be sorely missed.

So, if they don't move will you stick to your post anyway and make the Cardiff match the last one you see? I know that's not what you meant ;-) but you need to be careful how you write things.
Agent-Provocateur

Thats nice to see someone be posative

Ray Wilson 1966 world cup winner claims the title of best left back to ever play for us. However Biffy I agree with the rest of your sentiments

Gary Stevens cracking player, and he actually won things.

Gary Stevens was a right back was he not? Him and tricky Trev on the right wing, those were the days eh.

30 Aug 2013 08:32:30
Its in quite a few papers now that we have turned down an offer of 36-38 million for our two lads, looks like it could be true

I say well done BK and Bobby, about time our club took the Levy approach and told them to F**K off because we are selling on our terms.

I'm made up we have told OBXMAS Moyes to do one, hopefully we can now keep them but wouldn't hold my breath on it.

If you want them it will cost you 42 million or over.

Might have to start calling BK - Billy big balls if this works out

In Bobby we trust

Degs

Love it Degs, nice one.

30 Aug 2013 08:21:24
A couple of years back when the Lescott saga was going on, a fellow Evertonian walked past my office, stopped and said "do you think he'll go?" My reply: "Haven't you heard? Lescott called a press conference this morning and said that he loved Everton, that they had brought him to the big time, the fans were great, money wasn't everything and that he wanted to finish his career with the Toffees". "Bloody Hell, did he?" asked my mate. I'm sure I don't have to write my response to his amazement but it involved a lot of pee taking and laughter. The point is, as is made continually by others on this forum, players will come and go as will managers and owners. We, the fans, are the only consistency with any club. I'll be disappointed if Baines and Fellani go as I was when Alan Ball went, when Duncan McKenzie went - need I go on with a great long list? - but we'll get over it. If the two guys want to go, then credit to them for not using the usual methods for pushing for a move but we should not discount the possibility that the Board want to sell and are just holding out for the best price. It's not always the players playing games! Perhaps they want to buy a couple more boneheads from Wigan

Not mine but off BK site but how right is he

30 Aug 2013 00:42:35
Wondering after seeing a few games now what everyones first team would be if all fit and available?
mine would look like this:

Howard
Coleman Jags Distan Baines
Barkley Felli Gibson
Mirallas Deufelou
Jelavic

if chasing the game can easily change into a 4-4-2 with Mirallas up front with Jelavic

Really impressed with Stones so far and think he may be pushing the latter stages of the season and certainly next season to take over from Distan.

Team for this weekend:
Howard
Coleman Jags Distan Baines
Barkley Felli Pienaar
Mirallas Deulofeu
Jelavic