Everton Banter Archive October 29 2012

29 Oct 2012 22:26:04
Ed, I'm been watching LFCTV on and off today as it comes in the XL Virgin Media package. And the only reason I'm watching it is because I want to hear what their pundits say and hear their phone-ins. Anyway, I understand they had a goal disallowed which was onside and changed the outcome of the last 30 seconds which remained. But it's amazing how they was so clean according to them. First off, not only was their goal a crime in their minds but our 2nd goal was wrongfully given too, according to them. However, their no. 7 shouldn't have been on the pitch, but that isn't my point.

My point is, taking away the fact he should have been sent off, their goal which is a crime'' was a foul on Jags. Coates' hands are all over him, so that should have been a free kick. Also, their 2nd goal shouldn't have counted; Sterling's dive was laughable. So in all fairness their 1st goal was legit, their 2nd wasn't - our first was legit, our 2nd wsn't. So a fair 1-1 in terms of legitimacy, then as I said, their ''winner'' was a foul on Jags.

My battery's about to go so I'll end here. I'm just making my point that they wasn't legitimately ''robbed''.

What's everyone else's view?

Keith EFC.

Sorry about the mis-spelt words, etc. It's because my battery was almost gone so I was rushing and my laptop has a problem where the buttons don't fully get pressed down so half the time when you type they don't actually show up. This reply is on my iPod so I'm in no rush here. :D

Keith EFC.

Why dont you watch some replays of the sterling incisent? Osman clearly tripped him.

hounsred

29 oct 2012 20:59:57
i really cant under stand these red supporters, they really are a different breed, they're not wearing red tinted glasses they're bloody blind!

ive mates who support a whole range of clubs, now you certainly have to be biased towards your own club however reds supporters simply cant see!!

how is it we as blues can admit that suarez's goal was onside yesterday and that it should have stood, but some of the reds cant even admit that the injuries to super kev and buzz were even fouls!

nearly every other creed of supporter can admit to a certain extent that their team was lucky or got away with something, but reds simply cant!

its gotten to the stage that i cant even have a proper discussion about football with any of my mates who've been inflicted with having to support the reds

kurajan {ed025's note - kurajan mate...just a word to the wise..the site has put a ban on gratuitous foul language, so terms refering to other teams or their supporters as s****. even if it is with ***,s...are not being posted, its not just aimed at you mate, but all supporters of all teams, some young viewers use the site, and we feel it unfair to subject them to these terms, i used your post as an example, as you are a regular, and valued poster and as a point of information to all the guys and girls...please moderate your language posters...cheers..

No hassle ed, will amend my vocab for future posts.

cheers

kurajan {Ed025's Note - thanks mate..i knew you would understand..

29 Oct 2012 19:43:16
Right lads and lady's

We have had a few poor ref decisions this month. Newcastle - 2 diss allowed goals that should have stood, Wigan - a goal against that shouldn't have stood. Liverpool - 2 possible missed sendings off, one of them injuring our stand out player. Despite all this we still were unbeaten!!

This in the past might have got to the players, but in stead right now our players are showing real strength and character

This month could prove to be pivotal in our campaign and we may look back on this month at the end of the season and identify it as the month we showed ourselves to be a top 4 team.

GOOD JOB MOYSE AND THE TEAM

COYB
Toffee ace {Ed025's Note - good post that ace...your glass is always half full mate, well done.....take note mike!..

Its ok the linesmen love you even if the refs dont

Agree in the past we let our heads drop, but we have gone behind in a few games this season and for the first time in a long time I and all the other fans you just know we are going to score and get back in the game, felt exactly the same yesterday when it was 2-0 I knew we would score before half time, even if it was one.
Our attacking play is up there with the best in the league (created more chances than any team in the 5 major european leagues) at the moment it's our defense that is letting us down. {Ed025's Note - your right mate

29 Oct 2012 18:55:14
With only Mirallas, Baines, Osman and Naismith and to a lesser degree Jags and Distin doing themselves justice, perhaps DM and coaching staff should look closely at the video of yesterday's Derby. Hopefully they will see from a different angle issues which, imo, need to be addressed.
Coleman has no positional sense and was continually caught out of position when he or a team mate lost possession when attacking down the right.
Whilst Osman had a good game, his achilles heel, like Neville, is lack of pace. This results in both struggling to get behind the ball when we lose possession which allows the opposition to counter attack quickly pulling the centre backs out of position and allows clever strikers, like Suarez, to make short, sharp diagonal runs exposing the gaps left as a result.
Having previously posted my team selection which included a midfield of Mirallas, Fellaini, Osman & Oviedo , with Naismith supporting Jelavic. Again imo this
allowed flexibility, with Mirallas and Osman interchanging with Naismith and Fellaini available for set pieces.
With Fellaini adding both cover and strength to the holding role, the degree of flexibility in attacking options would have caused Liverpool no end of problems.
In the circumstances it was a mistake not to replace Mirallas with Oviedo at halftime with Thomas Hitzlperger introduced for the last 20 minutes.
Fancy Smith {Ed025's Note - good post that fancy..a fair assessment with some really good points, well done mate..

29 Oct 2012 18:23:28
does anyone know the extent of mirralas's injury ?

Slight knock

29 Oct 2012 17:52:45
All i've heard today is my red mates moaning about how they were robbed. Also gerrard in his comments saying there was only one team playing football yesterday. honestly what an person. Anyway back to reality i really hope mirallas isn't out for a long time cos he was class yesterday. we dont want anymore injuries. Andy

29 Oct 2012 16:01:41
Haha all these reds make ne laugh, Neville dived( badly) moyes bollicked him rightly so, and they think were even lol.what about gerrards little dive to get the freekick for the goal oh sorry not goal and coated foul on jags.Suarez shouldn't of been on the pitch ,gerrards celebration priceless Haha .. don't worry kids you can watch your team on sky again next week and I know its a long shot but to any match going reds sit down and show some respect something you cry about if you don't get in return PADDOCKBLUE

Moyes comments stopped suarez diving and he was a better player for it liverpool fans should thank moyes ..tp

29 Oct 2012 16:39:45
Do u know what it is though, I don't think any LFC supporters actually give a damn about Neville's dive, he got a yellow and nO free kick, it's all good. Same as no one thinks he should be banned for life, or fined or banished from the squad or sold. 99% of LFC supporters know that Suarez dives and can make a meal out of a slight touch, but there are other players who do the same (ie Bale, Young, Welbeck) and they don't get half the bad press, or managers complaining about them, and this is unfair. He is no worse than Bale or Ronaldo. I dont know what you guys expect us to do? Stop supporting LFC? We back him because not only is he an awesome striker but we back our players, just like you l

29 Oct 2012 16:42:18
lot still back Phil Neville. All this isn't because the majority of us really think he is a cheat, it's to highlight the hypocrisy in all this! Moyes was out of order going on about Suarez, and in the end it was his player booked for diving. We just find the irony hilarious! {Ed025's Note - its about honesty though mate...phil held his hands up, and admitted it was wrong, whereas old horse face knows what he is doing week in week out, and delights in serial cheating!...dont ever try to compare the two in terms of simulation, as you have the world champion..

Is it really that difficult to accept that Suarez had a perfectly legit goal chalked off because of a wrong line decision? Is it also difficult to accept that Suarez stayed on because ref gave a yellow card, not red?

End of the day - your team blew it! 3 points was there for the taking on your own home ground against a 'lesser' team 7 places below you & having played on thu against European opposition while you were hiding behind your curtains watching us beat Eto'o and co!

Singred {Ed025's Note - i agree that we blew it against a lesser team mate, the rest is just cobblers..

I bet you had your curtains shut while you were watching you beat Eto and co. And you also missed the small point of a couple of hundred mill , and gerrard saying are captain is a disgrace for diving,Haha coming from stevie swandive gerrard , and only 1 team wanted to play and win lol , well you lot love stats and I think you will find more possession ,shots,corners all fell to us and you had to kick are most dangerous player of the park.PADDOCKBLUE

The reason why bale, young, and welbeck dont get the negative press that suarez does is becuase they are actually good people, and not disrespectful , if suarez had any class he wouldnt be talked about as much

29 Oct 2012 19:53:23
Who cares? Players dive, get over it, they get nothing, it damages their reputation and get nothing in the future, fair deal. Goes without saying that Suarez deserves a much worse punishment than everyone else for the same crime, because he is really good and plays for Liverpool...

Also, did you know that there are now degrees of diving severity? here's how it goes:

1) Random dive with no contact
2) Diving when there looks like contact
3) Diving when someone has breathed on you
4) Diving when someone has touched you with their hair
5) Diving when someone has put one finger on you
6) Diving when someone has a hand on your shirt
7) Diving when someone grabs your shirt
8) Diving when someone has two hands on you
9) Diving when someone makes slight contact with your foot
10) Diving when someone makes contact with your foot, but you could still stay on your feet

Maybe we should make a mathematical equation so we can decide once and for all whose dive is the worse, and then have a thumb war over it!

Maybe this:

a = type of dive (1 - 10)
b = degree of influence free kick could have on game (1 - 10)
c = number of dives committed by player (0 - infinity)

a + b x c = ?

This is all very primary school, "his dive was worse, and we should only punish the worse one of all, and his doesn't count because he did a worse one a few minutes ago" there's a good reason you lot aren't referees! {Ed025's Note - i enjoyed that mate...you seem to know your stuff...you must be an evertonian ;)

The reason he i dont even want too say his name gets bad press and bale young and welbeck dont is because he cheated in the world cup he racially abused a well respected footballer he bit another player and he disrespected the third longest serving manager in the premier league and hes bringing shame upon liverpool football club FACT! Thats just the tip of the iceberg face reality the guys a dooshbag {Ed025's Note - some of that i agree with, but to class patrice evra as a well respected footballer, is stretching it a bit mate...in the dooshbag world,,,evra is king..

29 Oct 2012 22:21:05
So it's ok to dive and cheat if you are a nice person? Or it's ok to dive and cheat if you don't play for Liverpool? It's interesting to hear that you guys actually know Luis Suarez in order to make that judgement of him! I'm sure people are exactly the same on the pitch as they are off it, and im sure all the people he plays regularly with are just covering up the fact that he is really Satan...jeeeez..

29 Oct 2012 22:48:59
Everton supporter Ed, pffft...I'm just fed up with all this comparing dives rubbish, a dive's a dive's a dive...the ref deals with it we move on...no need to behave like we're in Primary school 'my dads harder than your dad' rubbish. I work at a youth club, they're exactly the same, "it's ok for me to take his phone because he threw my bag on the floor" etc. it's pathetic {Ed025's Note - i must admit, i am getting fed up with it now mate...time to move on i think..

29 Oct 2012 14:36:39
We're great goin forward need to be better at the back get Gibson back an watch us go all goals against us see to be of our own doin come on blue boys top four if u want it ste45

Why dont we give hitzlsperger a run

29 Oct 2012 14:06:44
Hiya guys,

Just a quick question, how can I join the campaign to have the captain's armband removed from Phil Neville? One of you must have started this, considering you take the moral highground when it comes to cheating? Surely you guys must all be campaigning hard after what you were saying about Suarez...

Charz

He had hands in his bk lad, it wasn't a blatant dive like Suarez vs stoke you can't compare the too

29 Oct 2012 15:48:52
What part of him admitting it was a dive do you not understand? I suppose the dive was justifiable because he was saving the children? Or it was in the name of world peace? Or is was Suarez's fault? There's no justification for it HE ADMITTED TO DIVING! A decent punishment for diving is a yellow card, and that's what Neville got, same as what Suarez got against Stoke, and no free kick, but there's always people crying for Suarez to recieve harsher treatment than everyone else. None of us really care, we just find it hilarious that your manager is banging on about diving ruining the game and the Everton captain goes and does it! You know what they say about people in glass houses...

Christ, how paranoid can you get ! Phil Neville may be a div, but Suarez is a serial offender with a nasty,snidey streak. He was before he joined Liverpool, and he will never change.He deserves all of the bad press. Have you noticed that most other Clubs detest him as well ?

Bluewal.

29 Oct 2012 13:22:26
Steve gerrard magic to see him make a fool of himself getting excited over a disallowed goal..but also am I missing something about the lifeless and in my opinion lazy one pace maguaye ..thats just my opinion ..please advise me what im missing ie apart from my brain ..and thanks again stevie gee gee priceless ..t p.

Moyes should have brought Oviedo on at half time instead of Gueye

29 Oct 2012 11:49:06
After our last 3 games I think its time to put fellaini back in midfield,and if gibson is fit even better, we'd still have a front 4 of jelavic,super kev,peanuts and naismith, and with 2 attacking fullbacks we've enough there to score goals and play are free flowing footy, but we've got to try and stop conceding so many goals, the amount were letting in at the moment is to many to challenge for a top 4 spot, I know its great watching us this season, but I'd take a 1-0 against fulham and 3 points,just to get us winning again.
Ste c

29 Oct 2012 10:43:53
fellow blues don't bite to these kopites. just smile at them. its our turn to be the smug ones and when was the last time we had crucial decisions go our way in a derby game? love that brenda said suarez had a hat trick (1goal). and loved gerrard running to celebrate. we missed super kev when he went off and jelavic is struggling for form at the minute. if kev had stayed on we'd have scored more no doubt. roll on fulham (tricky place to go ) but we need to get back to winning ways. with reading, norwich and sunderland coming up we should get back to winning. coyb

YES u right decisions always go to the bigger club ..tp.

Yes it was a goal, yes Phil Neville deserved to be booked- but what gets me about the match is that we seem to have a inferioriy complex when playing the Reds- they are a very ordinary side and we should've wiped the floor with them- we didn't start playing until 2-0 down.Credit to Moyes for taking the ratboys wind up dive as a joke, can you imagine red nosed Taggart at United or Inspector Cloussou at Arsenal being simarliy cool about it-not

29 Oct 2012 10:04:21
What's with Gerrard coming out and saying they were the only team who came to play football and Rodgers saying we played direct long balls? Look at the stats, we had more possession, more chances, more control, the stats show we played less long balls and a better passing percentage than them?
Alex Ferguson said something similar after we played them off the park!!
Forget the disallowed goal at the end, interesting watching that game yesterday, we our a far better side than them now, play better football and have more "game changers", we should of won in my opinion, but I suppose being 2-0 down after 20 we all would of taken a draw in the end.
Good performance and great character from the lads, 3 draws on the spin though, a win is needed next week but Fulham away is always tough for us!
Mirallas was outstanding, shame he had to go off at half time because he had the liverpool right back doing silly dances trying to get the ball off him!
I personally know the Osman family and I am so happy Leon scored he has been desperate to score against Liverpool for years!
Only problem at the minute is PHIL NEVILLE! Sorry to criticize the skipper and a top fella but why Moyes persists with him in midfield is a mystery, yes Gibson is injured so people would say what else cn we do? but for me Heitinga would be a far better option in there or even putting Fellaini back there and pushing Mirallas or Naismith behind Jelavic untill Gibson is back.
Anyway only 1 defeat in last 18 league games and only 4 defeats THIS YEAR, we are in good form and hopefully we can get 3 points next week.

MikeTheBlue

COYB THE CITYS FIRST 1878

I thought Neville did well yday, he's just the scape goat, he is only filling in. I guess people need someone to place the blame on. For me though Coleman should be playin for the reserves

Long ball that is all you did liverpool kept the ball on the floor and how can you say you should of won the game liverpool had a 3rd goal wrongly disallowed which should of beat you.Oh and you call Suarez a diver well how bout your captain and baines and others in the everton team going down easy ever time watch the game again coz I don't think you saw to clearly!

Gerrard is a clown and is probally still running for the disallowed goal. We were terrible first 20 mins yesturday but after that we were boss, Mirallas was amazing first half and such a shame he went off { because ratboy fouled him}, a few players were not at it yesturday like Jelavic, fellaini and i thought Gueye was awful when he came on. Can all the crying reds stop going on about that disallowed goal because first ratboy shouldnt even off been on the pitch and that coates climbes all over jagielka to header it down so should of been a free kick to us. Terry blue

Brenda Rodgers saying we kept on thumping the ball in the box and that they deserved the win, here is some stats for Brenda

- Everton shots 17 (8 on target)
- Liverpool shots 12 (5 on target)
- Everton 55% possession, Liverpool 45% possession
- Everton completed passes 459
- Liverpool completed passes 428
- % of long balls by Everton: 14%
- & of long balls by Liverpool: 17%

You were saying Brenda?

29 Oct 2012 11:57:11
Surely those stats only prove Liverpool have a better shot:goal ratio?! And that made me laugh "forgetting the disallowed goal"...kind of a big factor in determining who should have won

I think you need longer arms mate as those straws you're trying to clutch are just that bit too far away. You were outplayed. Accept it and don't be bitter, doesn't suit you...

2.4 Liverpool 2.125 Everton. Think you'll find Everton's is better

There's an old saying, goes something like this-- 'you reap what you sow'. The cheat of all cheaters gets cheated ! How ironic is that ? Who's bitter now ?

Hang on a minute, if everyone reads these posts back properly (the one's from the Liverpool fans) there the one's who sound bitter about everything!
To the 1st Liverpool poster who said "how can you call Suarez a diver?" Tell me.... where in my post have I called Suarez a diver?
Also you said "Liverpool played the ball on the ground all you did was lump it forward"...... look at the stats pal, seems as you lot enjoy stats-- Liverpool played more long balls, less short passes in attacking area's, completed less passes and had less possession.
Basically your post is rubbish and has no substance. Go back to your on site and be deluded!! {Ed025's Note - if no one has called suarez a diver?..then let me be the one to say it like it is...the guy is a SERIAL DIVER!!...and it is set in concrete..

Yes, a serial diver, and a very snidey sly looking rat who fans of other clubs hate as well.

Stewillow {Ed025's Note -

29 Oct 2012 08:39:00
don hutchinsons last minute goal ref blew for full time after it was in net alan hansens nice handball in league cup final at wembley semi final of fa cup at maine rd bryan hamiltons winning goal disallowed etc etc dont even mention rodwells sending of which fa cancelled or sterlings two bookable offencence and on top of them he kicked ball away and other reds players kicked balls away and no card.. .but suarez tackles on sylvan and distin were cynical and crude in my opinion .and luckiest thing was baines own goal ..we missed pienar badly and moyes should have put ovido on instead of maguaye.and in future could players like neville stop shouting in paper what were gonna do .and also nevilles dive and his performance smack of one word RETIREMENT..TP..

The Clattenberg derby also but they bang on about not getting this the ref that they have won cups on bad decisions going there way do we go on about the Newcastle or Wigan games this season we just dust ourselves down and get on with it as they as they say these things even themselves out so by record on another 10 years of decisions against them should be fair! Stefc

29 Oct 2012 01:58:50
Any news on Mirallas ed? :(

ToffeeMike {Ed025's Note - still waiting to hear mike..

28 Oct 2012 23:54:19
just seen suarez tackle on Distin 'another ref another day he would of been off' the words of mr red ALAN HANSEN! And im sure about 3 years ago adebayore did what suarez did in the celebrating and got booked for provoking the fans ?

What goes around comes around, i remember fellaini (sideshow bob) stamping all over the greek at anfield and the greek was punished for it, swings and rounabouts kids

ian the red

Fellaini was sent off for that wasn't he?

What? That Greek lad deserved to get sent off, he lunged in with studs up and Fellaini happened to go over him, thus SIDELINING HIM FOR 6 MONTHS!!

Liverpool fans looking for sympathy and whining, give me a break, you still need another 10 or so, and then you can come talk to us about rubbishty ref decisions.

No, the greek was sent off and fellaini got away scott free... not that it mattered dirkaldinho popped up with a priceless header infront of the travelling away support. forever in our shadows boys and always will be.

ian the red

28 Oct 2012 22:43:13
If the matches played today showed one thing, it's that cheating is still alive and well in the PL. The biggest debate recently has centred around diving and the conning of refs with theatrics. This must be wiped out if the game isnt going to descend into a farce. We all know most teams have their culprits (Bale, Young,etc) but the worst protagonist of the lot was on display again at Goodison today. Surely there is a way for the FA to crack down on his constant simulation or he runs the risk of making English football look as corrupt as some of its foreign counterparts? The only solution I can think that should be considered is an immediate ban based on retrospective video evidence. It sounds severe but so was the appalling attempt by this individual to cheat Mr Mariner, the ref. Phil Neville, hang your head in shame.

cozinoz