Everton Banter Archive January 29 2016

 

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29 Jan 2016 22:19:19
Sorry ed its on the rumour page my apologies.

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29 Jan 2016 20:22:13
Evening all, I've read social media today with some horror. City fans hurling abuse at a 6 year old with cerebral palsy to the degree that he never wants to go to the game again. A lone Evertonian being assaulted in the stands by numerous City "supporters". All this on top of their top "firm" bullying a pensioner on Priory Rd after the first leg.

This just goes to perpetuate the image of these fans as plastic glory hunters. For me lads, and I never thought I'd say this, but I'd be glad to see the other lot turn them over in the final.

And I thought Chelski were bad!

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29 Jan 2016 23:56:20
animals should be named shamed and more very sad.

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{Ed003's Note - It's being dealt with apparently.}

30 Jan 2016 01:44:14
I'd love to see how them apes would of been if it was there kid.my step son has cerebral palsy and they have to go thru enough without these Neanderthals abusing them.at least we as Everton fans managed to evolve from apes unlike a section of them.even I hope the neighbours turn em over in the final.never wanted to say that but that section of man city fans has turned me against them after their behaviour after 2 legs.sod em.

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30 Jan 2016 09:38:57
Me too Dentie I hate City big time now.

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29 Jan 2016 20:07:53
Not sure what's up with me but I just can't seem to get enthusiastic about this weekend.
Like most (if not all) on this site I was chosen to support Everton and they have been a huge part of my life for as long as I can remember.
My earliest clear recollection is of the mid to late 70's when with a shade more luck we could have started to dominate the old first division.
Then the bad, dark days of the early 80's before we became the leading force in English football and, had it not been for that lot across the park being idiots in Heysel, in all probability become a major force in Europe too.
Throughout all of these times, the highs and the many lows, I've stuck with and passionately defended the club I was born to follow and support.
Add to those days the near relegation misses of the 90's tempered with fleeting glory of the FA cup in 95 I've religiously followed, defended and supported my club through thick and thin.
From the bad old days when you were considered a hooligan and thug if you followed football to the nouveaux riche of the modern tv money era when it suddenly became uber trendy to follow football, my faith has never wavered and I've rightly or wrongly had as much passion for my club as I've had for my own family (you just show it in different ways)
I've got the ticket stubs, the programmes, the photos, scars (drunken shenanigans pre season tours) and the tattoos to prove it.
But now, and its come completely out of the blue (no pun intended) I suddenly find my faith being tested.
Over the years I've witnessed great managers and teams, mediocre managers and teams, poor managers and teams and a combination of all combined and always stuck by my club.
But now, when I should be old enough to know better and have the common sense to rise above it all I find my faith being tested.
After all the expectations of the start of the season, some great results and free flowing football to the lows of our more recent performances and to some extent luck, to our mid week cup tie, which for me, was probably the straw that broke the camels back.
They say being an Evertonian is like a marriage and right now, if it was possible, I'd be asking for a divorce.
I really don't know how much more I can take of this season. We offer so much and should have delivered so much more but, for some reason the love of my life has let me down, large.
Normally on the eve of the first involvement in the FA Cup I'm like a virgin on prom night, full of excitement and expectations and hoping it won't hurt too much, but this year it's just not the same.
And for all of these emotions my blame lies with one person, Roberto Martinez.
I don't know what the answer is, maybe ask him to do Jeremy Kyle or Judge Rinder with me but somehow I have to get this Walter Mitty character out of my life to get my faith back. Oh Saint Domingo, please help me.

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29 Jan 2016 22:07:29
Great post that. You'll bounce back. Keep the faith Blue.

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29 Jan 2016 22:20:32
Cheers Ed025, sorry to air my frustrations in public but I am so, so disillusioned at the moment.
Everton are my team and always will be but it's so difficult to keep the faith with this present regieme.

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{Ed025's Note - its getting to all of us gene, but we have to ride it out mate because the team need us now more than ever mate..forget about the phenomenal one his days are numbered..

29 Jan 2016 22:42:48
Thanks Ed025 and Tedster, have either of you considered a sideline with the Samaritans?
My wife has hidden her ladyshave recently then blamed me for her lady bits looking like a hipster.

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29 Jan 2016 22:55:02
Thing is Ed his days are not numbered. The guy is on a different planet or smoking rastafarian woodbines (as we used to say) . Supported this Team for 55 years man and boy. Lived all over the World, in the early days we relied on reuters for news then digital then computers. I say all this because I have been there and done that with this team. Personally I was a pretty crap footballer (amateur) but followed the Shankley/ Moyes approach, hence I played for all the sides I trialed for. This fella currently is losing his hair, mine is currently turning black.

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{Ed025's Note - there is only so much fans will take DM, the club do read forums like this and know the natives are restless, when seats start being empty and fans protest they have to take notice, its a business after all mate..

30 Jan 2016 00:15:49
Good post mate, one that really hits home. Although I was (only! ) born in the mid 70's, I have had some crazy ups and downs as a blue. Seen some great players wearing our shirt as well as some absolute sh!te stealing a living on the back of our good name. My 18th birthday fell on that fateful day when Hans Segers kept us in the league, one emotional day that was!
I've given up going the game in the last month as the magic of match day has simply disappeared. I've found myself sitting in the stands wishing that I was anywhere but Goodison, never have I felt like that in any other era and I was there when Walker was in charge. The blame, for me, lies with the manager and his reluctance and stubbornness to alter things. I hope upon hope that his days are numbered, as ed points out, as he is quickly stealing my love of football and Everton FC. Pray for a take over or the current board to see sense before he drags us back into them dark days of relegation fights. Take away two of our better players and we will struggle.

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29 Jan 2016 18:31:13
Eds how come my post about city fans abusing a 8yr old disabled evertonian ain't gone up its public knowledge it's in the press.

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{Ed001's Note - I held it for Ed025 as I thought he was about and might want to comment. I didn't feel I would be able to comment as it would need to be censored what I wanted to say!}

29 Jan 2016 18:47:53
Cheers ed.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a sad day but it does seem hooliganism in football is coming back.}

29 Jan 2016 19:16:21
I think it's society ed but don't get me started on that I have enough problems with everton lol but you right mate it is sad very sad if this sort of stuff become acceptable then god knows where it would end.

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{Ed001's Note - there are a lot of these kind of incidents being posted up lately. Then we get imbeciles on various sites, when someone asks about a tattoo, suggesting they get the logo of that particular team's hooligan firm. It beggars belief that people think those cowardly thugs are something to be proud of.}

29 Jan 2016 19:25:02
The only way to deal with it is complete crack down to get arrests for incitement jail them and educate them.

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29 Jan 2016 22:17:55
Ed it was posted I replied to it and so did Swan it must have been removed for some reason.

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{Ed025's Note - my computer crashed when i was editing it stef, it may come back i hope mate..

29 Jan 2016 22:30:17
Cheers ed 25 it's on the rumours page mate I would like to hear your thoughts on this mate cause it is truly sickening.

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{Ed025's Note - im sickened to be honest stef i thought we had seen the back of that lark, i went through it myself in the 70,s and 80,s when you literally feared for your life at away grounds, these people who done that are the scum of the earth mate, forget about it being city fans they are just morons who can associate themselves with any club, i really hope they get what they deserve in life as i firmly believe you reap what you sow, mind you knowing these do gooders in parliament and social services they will probably give them holiday to disneyland as part of their rehabilitation..

29 Jan 2016 15:43:43
Hiya Lads, Been a while. Not even sure anyone remembers me haha. Anyways.

Missed out on Khazri and Slimani in the space of about 3 days. Doubt we'll be making any new signings, and it doesn't seem like any dead weight will be offloaded either.

Ah well. Guess we got to accept the truth that none of our dreams of becoming a top side will ever be realised.

I'm sick of Roberto now. More so with the board, but what can we do? There's always next year/ decade.

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29 Jan 2016 18:03:41
When did we miss out on these 2? Is it like Shaqiri were we missed out despite never being interested? .

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29 Jan 2016 18:07:17
It is frustrating QB but I will always live in hope. Some debates on here about us being big / small club.

My take on it is we're a so called sleeping giant. In terms of winning trophies we are well behind the times. But the potential is there. Big fan base is a key aspect to any future development and we have a very decent fanbase.

Some people make comments on here about 'small club mentality' which I laugh at.

Like seriously does anyone have a 'small club mentality'. I mean I don't think Bill or any Evertonian for that matter would choose us to remain mid-table. Everyone would want us to be winning things and to be a successful big club. Don't think anyone has the mindset 'i'd rather be mid table than competing at the very top'. To suggest such a 'small club mentality' like that is ludicrous imho.

Now there's a big difference in that and being sensible and being grateful for not getting relegated. Some people say we're not ambitious enough because we don't splash the cash like its going out of fashion.

I've seen us at our lowest in the top flight and seen how close we were to being relegated. Thank god that never happened. Since those days I consider the club well run to where it is today.

In no financial difficulties and interesting some investers. Does that make my appreciation for the club remaining stable having 'a small club mentality'.

Of course not. These people who think we should have a big club mentality (their words not mine, I think we are a big club) . Could they tell me how we get competing at the top again.

Because as far as I know money doesn't grow on trees and just because someone has a big club mentality doesn't automatically mean a Jeanie is going to appear clap his fingers and et wallah we're automatically competing at the very top.

I know most these peoples answer is a big rich investor to come in and bring back the glory days. Nowadays that's almost the only way to get back up competing.

Problem with that is these people unless they are like Chelsea's and Man Cities owner (who use their club as a past time) they invest to make money and don't care about Everton F. C.

They only care about making a profit. There are those who would definitely help Everton. I'd welcome them with open arms. Bill I think is a very capable man in choosing who to hand the reins over to.

Of course he and the board are not perfect and have made mistakes. Imho overall they have done good with Everton.

Anyway that's just my view and as I said I consider us a big club with huge potential to return to glory days. Arsenal are a team I admire and I'd like to see us be similar in our approach to future running of the club.

That's just my view but hey what do I know. All I want is for Everton F. C. to get back to winning ways and be the great powerhouse we once were.

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29 Jan 2016 18:27:44
"Arsenal are a team I admire".

NBTB you legend :-)

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29 Jan 2016 18:48:58
When I started following Everton around 1955 ie 60 years ago, I considered Everton the TOP club in England along with Arsenal. In those days John Moores was chairman and bought whatever top player was available or was wanted.

I still consider Everton a big club but unfortunately not delivering big results at the moment. I used to go to Goodison wondering how many we would win by, not as it is today. Mind you we had better managers in those days. Older posters can verify that.
Now the club is in a better financial state thanks to Bill and Moyes, all is being wasted the longer Martinez remains. With this squad and better manager we should be in the top 4 EVERY season.

With all respect to clubs like West Ham, Crystal Palace, Watford, Leicester, Stoke etc we should not be below them in the league table. We have no entitlement to be above those clubs but we are where we are for the simple fact Martinez is not a good enough manager for a club like Everton. Those other clubs have improved, changed manager, invested, so Everton need to do the same starting manager change.

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29 Jan 2016 18:54:51
Of course I do Gunner. Respect also, love the way they run the club and Wenger. Your transfer policy is very admirable. Not like Man Utd, City or Chelsea.

I know its a while since you've won something but I'm hopeful that changes this season.

Then Wenger would have broken the mould and more will follow.

Expect next season when we win the league 😜.

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29 Jan 2016 19:11:22
It's hard not to admire the gooners dags when you think about it mate. Here's why.

United at the start of the prem had all the dollar and walked there way to the league title

Then a man called jack walker ploughed millions into Blackburn won the league

Arsenal just got a new manager with new philosophies who brought in Viera, petit and a couple more if I remember right he brought a new way of living for the squad of Bruce rioch they then held off for years when it came to big money buys and IMO punched above there wait in terms of what they spent and what they achieved so they could fund a new stadium that will increase income all of that they done without having to sell there sole to a Russian/ american devil I know kronke I think his name is, is there but they got to were they are today the hard way wenger I believe has grafted his balls off for about twenty years will go down in history as one of the biggest legends that's ever had a connection to your club

Since walker there has been abramavic and the city owners they also bought it simple as that

To me and most people arsenal are a proper club I think us and you lot hold there record for consecutive top flight seasons Coventry were with us but there well gone and I'm afraid if we don't get rid of bobby brown shoes it could just be arsenal mate.

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29 Jan 2016 19:39:09
You are so correct NBTB,
We couldn't compete with the likes of Man City and Chelsea and their sugar Daddies, selling their soul to the devil, as well as their tradition and heritage, for a few pieces of silver (ware) .

Wenger did the right thing, selling Highbury and building The Emirates, thus enabling extra match day revenue to boost our spending power.

Alas, we had to sell some of our star players to help pay off the "mortgage".

However, short term pain for long term gain (hopefully) , but more importantly, we still keep our tradition intact.

Just my opinion anyway.

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29 Jan 2016 19:56:09
Absolute top post Liam and so correct.

Respect.

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29 Jan 2016 20:21:37
Ahh Swanny, How I missed your blunt sarcasm and cutting humour. Yes we have been linked to both, and Khazri is agreeing a fee with Sunderland now, whilst we have had a bid rejected for Slimani.

NBTB, Agree with what both you and Keenone are saying, but as a younger evertonian, I've never seen Everton win anything, and so, it remains that I can't see us waking up from this "sleep" as you put it. And lately, I've started to even just accept that we are a standard Mid-Table club.

With that, I want Martinez to go now. I am at the end of my tether with that man, but I doubt we'll see him go until we drop below that relegation line. Because it is more profitable for the board to put in just enough finances to see us to coast through season by season in the PL, rather than Invest big, and taking a chance for top 4, as there is possibility that it won't happen.

Idk. I've just had enough. Desperately wanted a trophy, and it was bad enough that we got beat, but then I saw Roberto's post match comments, and it just cemented to me that even the manager thought we were at our level.

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29 Jan 2016 22:37:13
Agree with blueliam. I was trying to say what you've said but you put it across better than I did.

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29 Jan 2016 14:46:50
Martin Atkinson should never be allowed to ref Everton games again as he is defo a kopite not so long ago he sent Roswell of in the Derby when it was shown suarez clearly dived when Everton was all over Liverpool and he was in a perfect place to see it then the other night against city wasn't to far away and no one blocking his view then arrogant to jagielka either a very poor ref or defo a kopite?

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29 Jan 2016 14:50:53
Or both.

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29 Jan 2016 16:17:52
What did it for me was the fact he penalised John Stones for a foul throw before he had even taken the throw. I believe he thought John Stones was time wasting. that is a booking not a foul throw. They then took a quick one and scored from it. That is blatantly changing the rules. for that he should be suspended because it "indicates" that he "favoured" Man City by changing the rules in their favour.

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29 Jan 2016 16:59:00
yes I found that quite an interesting interpretation of the rules around time wasting which he certainly seemed to indicate with his hand gestures.

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29 Jan 2016 14:27:25
I bet BT sport can smell a cup upset on Sunday!

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29 Jan 2016 12:11:13
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29 Jan 2016 08:26:16
The only real measure of a club is not its style of play or the quality of its players its the points tally at the end of the season. remember the league table does not lie!
We have played 23 games, won 6, drawn 11 and lost 6, our home form would see us relegated!
We have not won in the league for 6 games and I hear the media echoing the words 'to good to go down' which is of some concern, especially as our management team seem incapable of reversing our current form trend.
The clubs below are strengthening in the window which can give these clubs a real boost, while I know its not easy to bring in the right player in January, they have had all season to identify and pursue these targets.
Please tell me someone at the top is aware of our predicament and has not just buried their head in the sand and hopes it will sort itself out!

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29 Jan 2016 11:34:31
Great post.

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29 Jan 2016 12:37:10
Serious question,
Player for player, do you consider yourself better/ worse/ same as Leicester?

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29 Jan 2016 13:34:51
A lot better trouble is we have a championship/Lge 1 manager at best

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29 Jan 2016 14:08:34
at least the tinker man tinkers! Ours does nothing, same old!

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29 Jan 2016 15:18:08
I want to say we are better dags and although I believe the table doesn't lie I find it hard to say we are worse.

They play to there strengths and there manager ain't a blinkered bulls&@ting idiot who thinks he is superior it's frustrating mate we have enough quality to be fighting for European places but he doesn't have the nouse.

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29 Jan 2016 16:34:53
I have said all along that he signs inferior players and I stick by that. Without Lukaku we aare a relegation destined team and I know Swan and co say I go on and on about things after they have happened. but Iam telling you all that his goals are the only difference between us being an average side and a poor side. I agree that he has made one or two decent signings, but overall our squad is in a much worse position than under Moyes. The goals that Lukaku scores mask the fact that our outfield players are ones that do not score enough goals for their positions. Add to this a style of play that means we are leaking goals left righ and centre. a recipe for relagation. I said it about 5 games in and also said if Lukaku suffers form loss or injury, then the writing was on the wall. I was ridiculed and comparisons were recently made about what would happen to Barcelona if Messi got injured. ridiculous comparison because Barcelona have 10 other quality players. We have probably 2 or 3. Signings of Lennon, McGeady, Kone are poor when you think they are replacing Naismith, Osman, possibly Mirallas and Fellaini. The table does not lie. We drew too many under Moyes. but we draw far more under Martinez. We might score more goals overall. due almost soley to Lukaku and Barkley. but players like Barkley, Lennon, Deulefeu, McGeady are poor defensively. Barry, Besic and McCarthy are aso great defensively but not so good going forwards. but I digress. relying onone or two players is ok in the short term. but in thewhole scheme of things a very big risk.

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29 Jan 2016 18:01:40
Fair comments,
I look at Vardy and I match him with Lukaku.

I look at Mahrez and match him with Doofy (at a push) .

Kante and Barkley?

I can barely name the Leicester defence but know Stones, Baines (Galloway) , Coleman and Jags.

Leicester have a fantastic team spirit, but I have always said that about Everton.

So, why are they so far ahead of you?
Although, in fairness, they are top of the league, so are ahead of everybody.

Do all shortcomings fall at Martinez's feet?

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29 Jan 2016 18:02:44
We have a much better squad than Leicester, just they play to their strength's, we don't. They have a good good manager, we don't. They are not lazy, we are.

"One or two decent signings", Lukaku, Galloway, Barry, Lennon (poor? Saved us last season) , Besic, Deulofeu, Cleverley, Mori and Joel. I can't wait to find out which 2 are decent and the rest being garbage.

The comparison was made because if Meesi gets injured, will Turan or Vidal get 50 goals a season? I doubt it.

Have you ever thought that the reason Besic and that don't score more often is because of the manager coaching them that way? . He's made it clear he wants open play goals and perfect goals, so it's obviously going to be very rare that a holding midfielder or full back score. It doesn't make Besic garbage or Deulofeu garbage because they don't score more. Under Moyes Osman etc scored more goals because Moyes didn't have a clue how to do anything with strikers so the goals had to come from elsewhere. What also plays a factor is Lennon and Deulofeu are RIGHT FOOTED and play on the right. Their job is to create goals (Del boy does this very well, only behind Ozil in assists) not score them. Would Messi score as many goals if he was told to hug the touchline on the left and never drift inside? Of course not. That goes for most players, that's why Mirallas does well, he can cut in from the left.

It is not Deulofeu's job to defend, City don't tell Silva to run back, nor do Arsenal with Ozil. Calling him poor defensively is the equivalent of saying Howard doesn't score enough goals. Lennon also isn't poor defensively, better defender than Coleman.

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29 Jan 2016 18:48:00
Good posts Gunner. It is baffling. Swan and Degsypulford I can see where your both coming from.

Degsypulford I like you can see the great benefits Moyes can bring. Problem is when Swan see's Moyes he automatically argues against Moyes. Doesn't matter what it's about. Swan will never see Moyes as a good manager no matter what.

Saying that I agree with Swan that Martinez overall made good dealings in the transfer. Even though Swan only points out the good ones they definitely do outweigh the bad ones. Even if they don't score as much as previous midfielders, I think that's just Martinez's way and tactics.

I think there is a good amount of goals in Barkley, Del boy and Mirallas if they were played properly.

Although Swan, really, Lennon is better defender than Coleman. Totally disagree with that. Don't think many would agree with that. I'd actually like to see a pole to see how many people think Lennon is a better defender than Coleman.

Come to think of it didn't you slate Martinez for playing Lennon right back before Swan? If my memory serves me right it was after Lennon played there you slated Martinez. If I'm wrong about that I apologise in advance.

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29 Jan 2016 19:06:46
I did because it's ridiculous playing him right back, he isn't big enough to cope. But one on one he is solid, unlike Coleman who's been tortured by just about every winger he's faced this season. One of the reasons we improved last season, Lennon helping Coleman.

I didn't list the bad as Degsy already did that, though of course None, McGeady, Alcaraz and Traore fall in to that.

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29 Jan 2016 07:47:24
got to be something going on with the take over, no signs of transfers or martinez has told the board to prepare for the championship so we can win some silverware lol.

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