Everton Banter Archive July 28 2017

28 Jul 2017 18:59:51
Undefeated so far. How do you moan at that!

Only a draw against a team that got to the QF of the Europa last year away from home. Just in case someone says they are a terrible team.

Turn that frown upside down blues. The glass is half full. Look on the brightside.

28 Jul 2017 16:49:00
The Journalist claims that Everton will move onto 26 year old Ivory Coast international, Seri, if a deal for the swansea Iceland star can't be done.

Arsenal are favourites to sign the Nice midfielder who got 9 assists and 7 goals in Ligue 1 last season.

Everton Also linked to German international striker Max Kruse according to Italian newspaper "Il Messaggero" .

28 Jul 2017 17:36:29
I'd take both. kruse is a lump of a target man but knows where the net is.

Seri is a deep lying playmaker that is defensively sound andcan get forward quickly

I'd take both in a heartbeat.

28 Jul 2017 20:04:57
Why didn't we go for Aubangyang from Dortmund when they were touting him to Chelsea as would answer problem of plan b which we didn't have last night playing it up to target man and midfield running on in to the box.

28 Jul 2017 15:31:39
Hi ed001 what's your view on gylfi how do you rate him would he suit Everton. Could we get. Better player for £50mil? Thanks looking forward to your reply.

{Ed001's Note - good question this, I was having a think about it before I answered to try and think if there was someone better for the money. There probably are a lot, but not Premier League proven and ready to just slot in to improve the team immediately, that is the key here.

Siggurdsson is far from the perfect player, he lacks pace, he can be a bit static and on the lazier side when it comes to chasing back at times. However, get him on the ball and he has excellent vision and range of passing, plus his delivery from dead balls is amongst the best in Europe. Decent finisher too.

It does depend on how Koeman intends to use him, but if it is central, as I believe they do, then a lack of pace is not a major problem. With others providing the movement and pace around him, he will make a good playmaker for the side. I think he is what you need to make a step forward now.}

28 Jul 2017 17:38:36
Lazy, he has a massive work rate one of best in the premier division, he is 6ft 2 inches and has large ground covering movement that's get him around the pitch, pace is fine if you can use it, Everton have offered around 45m up now, so they are obviously sure he is one of the best around, they have enough scouting expert around Europ along with Steve Walsh.

{Ed001's Note - I said tracking back, try reading it rather than seeing what you want to see. This is why I don't bother answering questions a lot of times, because people just twist the words to suit their own agenda, rather than reading what is actually said. Did I say he was just lazy? No, so please learn to read proper English.}

28 Jul 2017 17:51:15
Great feedback Ed, I think the key things are he is premiership proven and will make an immediate impact which is what is needed right now.
Also when you look at what has been done in the transfer market are incomings and outgoings are fairly similar albeit our wage bill will have increased so it keeps us in good shape.

{Ed001's Note - he is the right player at the right time, if you ask me. If you were in the Champions League with unlimited funds, ala Citeh, you would not be chasing him, obviously, but you have to find players to improve you that will want to join you at this moment. You have young players to develop, you have veterans to provide experienced heads, the gap is the ones ready to step in and play now. Siggurdsson is defo ready now, he does not need developing and he is not on the downhill slope yet either.}

28 Jul 2017 18:38:12
Hi ed 01

Do you think he will use him as central player as I think he may be used on left with klassen as central figure. Also we have been linked with jothan viera from las palmas who may be good fit but haven't seen much of him and serri who more holding midfield isn't he.

{Ed001's Note - I expect him to be given freedom along with Klaasen, the pair will roam around a fair bit I expect.}

28 Jul 2017 19:09:22
Ah okay thanks ed think he miss piece along with striker and cb.

{Ed001's Note - agreed.}

28 Jul 2017 19:55:02
From last nights game, it looks as the team will be set up with two (very) wide men. Maybe that was just a tactic against that particular team, trying to stretch the full backs so that Klaasen / Rooney could run in behind?

All the eds input in here is greatly appreciated by the many and it's just a shame that the few don't.

28 Jul 2017 20:35:36
Thanks ed. it's just scary spending that much on a player who no one else has really had any intrest in and with no sell on value because we are still at this moment in time an easy pick for the big guns and normally do well with getting top dollar from them for our players so really we can't moan if others are doing it to us! But 25mil less than rom makes me wonder could we take a risk on say. 23 year old let him reach his potential and move him on for a big profit. Like liverpool may well
Do with coutinho.

28 Jul 2017 21:11:22
No Ed you said he was a bit static and n the lazier side, I have read your post correctly.

{Ed001's Note - you clearly have not. Obviously your just being an arse.}

29 Jul 2017 02:06:12
Do we really need him? Especially at such a high price i would say swerve this deal. I absolutely don't doubt he would improve us to a degree, he has some fantastic qualities that would benefit the team, but i feel we just don't need to add to our midfield/ attacking mid positions. My main concern is because it will inevitably hinder the opportunities for Tom D who i think had a blinder last year and could really kick on again in his 2nd proper season. I want to see the boy play, and i think we could do without Sig for now and see how things work out, maybe reapproach Swansea in January if we really do need him.
IMO sorting out a high quality striker and another CB should be bigger concerns for us right now.

28 Jul 2017 15:35:26
Hi eds

Is there any interest in ..............

Cheers for any info.

{Ed002's Note - You are on the wrong page - this is the Everton page.}

28 Jul 2017 09:15:26
If what you are all saying is that this the first game and all the new players will take time to gel in, if this is the case then why play them in such an important first round of a knock out competition, I am sure we are all very aware that this is the first game and will in time get better but it a European game not a friendly. Why is it going to be any easier next week if he plays the same team, they looked far fitter and quicker than us last night, it's an opinion and that is what this site is all about.

28 Jul 2017 10:02:17
Why would RK not play them together? This is effectively still preseason for us and the fact that these games are competitive is a bonus as the players will feel pressure and be challenged. The team we played have already played 5 or so competitive matches so naturally they will be more match fit. The fact that they played two walls of 5, as someone previously mentioned, is always going to be tough to break down. These new lads have only been around 2weeks tops, give them a chance!

28 Jul 2017 10:02:31
Uran. You're making no sense. Whatever team we put out was a new team. You do realise we have signed like 5 new players and sold Lukaku.

28 Jul 2017 10:10:52
What's so difficult about this? We played a team that in the throws of a season we would beat comfortably. But at the start of a season the lack of sharpness is a leveller. So 1-0 is pretty much a good result. We've one without conceding at home. We all know enough about football to understand that's a good score line to take to their place. Score one on the break and then they need to score three. I can't see them doing that. Can we stop worrying please.

28 Jul 2017 11:58:59
You all sound very confident, what makes you think from that performance we are going to win over there, they had more chances to win the game last night, this is a knock stage, all I am saying if we play the same team the same way I don't gives much hope, I hope I am wrong.

28 Jul 2017 13:10:58
The difference is that we will have a weeks extra match fitness and we will know what to expect from them. We also have a far better team.

28 Jul 2017 13:14:34
They didn't have more chances than us, yes it wasnt a great performance but a shining Light was Sandro.

28 Jul 2017 13:18:13
They wer super defensive last night uran and they cnt do that next week so there will be more space for sandro and i can c us picking them off on the break mate c'mon have a bit of faith anyone would think we just been beat.

28 Jul 2017 13:21:26
I think we'll be capable of scoring there regardless. I also think he needs to start with Ramirez. Calvert-Lewis was ok but Ramirez looks sharper.

28 Jul 2017 14:30:50
I sincerely hope I am wrong with my opinion and you all correct, I really mean that, just that on the evidence of last night I can't see it, maybe I been a bit harsh, I am not dull and gloom on our future, just that we have know this game was coming up and there should be no excuses over the fitness levels going into a European knock out first round game.

28 Jul 2017 15:35:21
Uran, based on your analysis there should also have been no excuse to only win 2-1 against a team from Kenya. The simple fact is we need to gain fitness and sharpness, with so many new players it is inevitable it will take a few games for the players to gel, to learn who makes runs and where etc.
We got the win, that's all that matters.

28 Jul 2017 16:47:37
Think of it this way. when have Everton ever impressed in pre-season. I can't remember the last time. but apart from the off blip here and there. they have always improved. new starters last night were klaasen, Rooney, Keane, Martina, Sandro etc.

It takes time for a new group of players to get an understanding. never mind Match sharpness.1-0 was not great But for next week, they will have had more time to improve their understanding, and I'm sure they are their own worst critics. chill and see what develops.

28 Jul 2017 17:44:55
I hope we do improve are fitness and sharpnessand and hope that They don't improves on their levels.

28 Jul 2017 08:51:49
I realy hope we don't have a bad start to the season and goodison starts to go toxic again some of the comments on here are unbelievable. We have new players that have only just arrived and the whole team needs time to bed in . some fans need to get there head out the clouds and get back down to earth and give the team time or you will just put unwanted pressure on the players and make things worse. think we all need to calm down a bit.

{Ed025's Note - i agree skylark..

28 Jul 2017 09:00:43
While agreeing, it was pretty dour. Said all along when he was at Utd, That Rooney is a number 10 or slightly deeper so he comes from behind the ball now. Mirallas put in a shift, I like the lad and Ramirez looked the part especially for only 5 or 6 mill. Klaasen was the stand out.

28 Jul 2017 09:18:17
Couldn't agree more Skylark.

28 Jul 2017 10:04:23
Great post Skylark.

I loved it last night being back at the old lady. 2 months has felt like an eternity. We all know we are going to get better. Pretty sure most of us know how preseason works. So let's not get carried away with any of the performances so far good or bad.

28 Jul 2017 07:15:46
Come on lads, we're still in pre-season and a lot of negativity already. I agree it wasn't a great performance and difficult to watch at times, but we were playing against a brick wall. They will have to come out at their place and we'll have more space. My only worry was the pace of that back 4.I thought Keane had a good game, but he needs someone with a bit of pace alongside him. Williams looked very rusty and I'd be very disappointed being Holgate or Kenny not starting because I think they're both better than Martina. Rooney had zero service, but he looked like he was trying too hard. emotional occasion for him? Davies should've been on half time for me and thankfully Sandro was a breath of fresh air. I think we need another CB and a target man striker for the season. Early days yet. COYB.

{Ed025's Note - good summary that deano mate..

28 Jul 2017 07:51:22
The voice of reason Deano. Good post mate. One thing I have learned over the years is never predict a season too early, and it doesn't get any earlier than this. Whilst it was a competitive match we are in a pre season fitness state, so a little patience is needed.

It needs to be faster and naturally there needs to be some more understanding amongst the new signings. This will come. Chin up lads. We won and kept a clean sheet at home. If we score away from home the tie will effectively be over.

COYB.

28 Jul 2017 08:33:18
Totally agree boys, I think many thought it would be a stroll when you know these teams come to stifle and frustrate, getting numbers behind the ball, niggly fouls etc etc.
certainly bright points were Gueye looked right on his game from the start, I thought Baines had a good game and Sandro livened it up up front.
I think it highlights our need for another striker, giroud would have been able to hold the ball up and challenge their CB. Agree with comments about Williams he looked off the pace, and we need another winger with a bit of pace and an ability to take defenders on.

{Ed025's Note - these games are not as easy as some seem to think wakka, no other team won by more than 1 goal which shows how difficult these sort of games can be, lets just get behind the team and manager and do what supporters should do which is support, there are no easy games in football these days mate..

28 Jul 2017 08:54:23
spot on ed025, the away game may suit us with the expectation that the home team will come out and chase for a goal, perfect for a counter.

28 Jul 2017 06:23:14
Well, if we are honest with ourselves we all must be extremely disappointed with that performance, we can make excuses for this or that or the other but we were playing at home against a team on paper we should of beaten convincingly, with exception of Gueye and Keane the rest struggled to make any impact and off the pace. Our full backs didn't help very negative and lacking penetration, if we don't improve a lot and field the same team next week then we will get beat, sorry to be so negative.

28 Jul 2017 00:56:59
After tonites game we need to sign 6 new players--
Mirallas has to go Keane looked like a yard dog Martina looked like Hibbert. Rooney very disappointing--its a good job we were playing a very poor team
There was not one player who played well--team too static too slow and devoid of any ideas--so 7th again.

28 Jul 2017 05:16:30
Calm down, it's not even august, it's the middle of pre season. Give them a bit of time.

28 Jul 2017 00:48:27
I thought Martina played well. He was getting up there crossing the ball. There were a few mishaps. But didn't the whole team have a few.
I enjoyed the game tonight. Our defence is going to be solid once they gel and get full match fitness.

I thought we looked quick compared to previous season's getting up the pitch. At one stage when everyone was just shooting at goal regardless, we looked desperate for a goal but I'm putting that down to pressure.
Sandro I can easily see is going to play a major part this season with Rooney playing off him. The game just changed instantly for the better.
I think the players need to get a few more 90 minutes behind them and find their own personal game. Then the team needs to gel.

Overall I was pleased with what I saw tonight. Totally going in the right direction.

28 Jul 2017 01:09:12
Are you on drugs--pleased with what you saw? it was a very poor performance and very disappointing. The build up play was very slow-very predictable and very Everton--its going to be anothr long season.

28 Jul 2017 08:25:14
BWB what did you expect did you think we were going to turn into Barcelona overnight come on man it takes time and like yourself everyone is allowed an opinion and to say someone is on drugs because their's differs from yours is very disrespectful calm down fella.

28 Jul 2017 10:10:12
Cheers Billy. Like you said some people expect us to be on par with Barcelona. And of course you would expect that after training for 4 weeks with some only being back for 1.

28 Jul 2017 10:41:31
Mow I don't know if this happens at every club but there's a minority of blues that are so pessimistic the glass is always half empty. enjoy the season mate COYB.

28 Jul 2017 11:13:55
Bit harsh bluewirral. Everyone sees the game differently! I didn't rate Martina either, but I wouldn't say that anyone who disagrees with me was on drugs. I'd just respectfully disagree with their opinion.

28 Jul 2017 11:22:03
to be fair I don't think he meant anything sinister in the drugs shout but he is wrong on the poor performance first half wasn't great but thought considering its a new team apart from Martina who i'm afraid looks massively out of his depth we did ok klasson linked up well with Kev and Rooney I though the game changer was Sandro his movement is fantastic and Rooney looked better playing a little deeper not over convinced by Lewis playing out wide I think he is a target man who isn't quite ready for the first team over all I'm very happy and I'm also enjoying other clubs fans laughing at us for only winning 1-0 to me it shows they are worried about how good we can be this season coyb.

28 Jul 2017 12:40:41
Bluey very fair assessment there mate as D-ream said things can only get better.