Everton Banter Archive January 28 2019

 

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28 Jan 2019 22:00:33
We have apparently put a fourty million pounds bid on the table for batsyui forgive the spellin.

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

29 Jan 2019 00:35:57
From what I can gather the source of this 'news' is from a well known and much hated rag so I'll believe it if/ when it happens.

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29 Jan 2019 06:31:08
It's also on thr sky sports news twitter feed.

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29 Jan 2019 08:30:04
Can't find any trace of it on Sky Shakey, not that it matters, I still won't be holding my breath ;-p.

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29 Jan 2019 11:15:16
It on blag sky sports account.

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29 Jan 2019 13:23:27
Where have we suddenly got 40 mill from, is Mr Silva a liar?

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29 Jan 2019 14:23:43
He found it bunged down the back of the sofa Fat Sam used to park his a** on.

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{Ed025's Note - i bet it was in a brow envelope..

29 Jan 2019 18:48:53
Just like to say to Shakey38 and Bretto I found what you meant. Calling themselves 'SkySperts' I guess I should take them seriously eh? rolf.

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28 Jan 2019 21:11:44
Well after the Huddersfield match we will have played 24 games.
Last season after 24 games we had 29 points and a goal difference of -13.
This season aside from the doom and gloom could still be a big improvement on last season.

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28 Jan 2019 21:42:19
Well on that encouraging note hopefully we'll score 3 and concede 0 to make our g/ diff +4 lol.

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{Ed025's Note - heres hoping BigH..

28 Jan 2019 20:56:35
Who is to blame? MS . BK . FM. Brands. or All of the above, . Or is it deep rooted in the club is something amiss because I just don't know any more I'm at the point of giving up for good.

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{Ed025's Note - its a combination skylark and i dont think any of the above are totally blameless, it started in the mid eighties when we won the league and never bothered to strengthen and sat on our laurels, from then we have been in decline and more than once flirted with relegation, no matter who we have brought in there has always been a cloud around this club since then, we have tried numerous things but nothing has really worked even though we have had short bursts where it looked like the tide had turned, i wish it was something i could pinpoint but im at a loss as to where the problem actually lies mate, anyway on we go to the next installment of being an evertonian and all the heartbreak that this brings..

28 Jan 2019 21:15:09
I was there when we won the league I was there before it and have been there ever since and you are right we have put ourselves in this mess and I just can't see a way out at the moment I think appointing silver has put us back another 5 years sorry to say.

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{Ed025's Note - but is it always the managers fault skylark?, koeman and martinez are actually doing very nicely with their respective national posts mate..

28 Jan 2019 21:33:25
So maybe we should have kept Martinez? We are la laughing stock at the moment and have been for a long time . something needs to change.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont pretend to know the answers skylark mate..

28 Jan 2019 21:41:51
Fair enough could you please find someone who dose šŸ‘.

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{Ed025's Note - im looking into it mate.. :)

28 Jan 2019 22:46:19
Hi Ed ....

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{Ed025's Note - it certainly never came my way mate..

28 Jan 2019 22:55:29
I donā€™t think it was a case of sitting on our laurels it was a combination of factors, loosing sir John moores as our chairman, and his investment we were no longer the millionaires club, the ban from Europe in the eighties loss of funding stream, the players wanted European football moved away even Howard went to Spain.

We just got left behind. Then there was the agent Johnson years, while everyone else moved forward we stagnated. Now weā€™re trying to play catch up, we still need the stadium to bring in the revenue for us to compete on a level playing field ( pun intended) with fair play rules we just canā€™t expect Mr Moshiri to plough money in endlessly.

Which ever analogy you care to pick silk purse sows ear, Rome built in a day and you canā€™t polish a turd, success isnā€™t going to happen overnight, yes we were poor and some of our team need to grow a pair and get stuck in, but we need stability maybe this season is a dead duck but, we need a second summer window, same management, thin the squad and buy quality and build slowly.

oh and bin zonal marking a space isnā€™t going to score a goal but an unblocked opponent will
Hope that makes sense,
Standing by to repel all borders
Big C.

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29 Jan 2019 13:32:36
There has been one constant in all that time ED. As to Martinez and Koeman, of the two I would have kept Martinez. Said all along Martinez is a good coach in need of a good overseer, DoF. To manage coach Belgium and Netherlands is vastly different to Club management.

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{Ed025's Note - i get that DFS but they seem to be getting more out of their players than they ever did with us mate..

29 Jan 2019 14:15:27
Martinez would have got us relegated.

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28 Jan 2019 20:49:00
So Silva has had a bad run. People comparing past managers and even wanting moyes back? So where do we go?

I didn't want bobby, based purely on his cv.
I didn't want koeman, again based on his cv.
I didn't want allardyce, based on his cv.
I didn't want Silva, but not because of his cv.

I didn't want Silva because I didn't believe the job was of a calibre he could handle.
I think he believes he is right for the job and out of all the managers I have mentioned I think he is the one to give me hope.
I watched the game yesterday and I am worried for him.

I am worried for him because I don't see any player that looks like they are playing for him. I can't pick individuals apart because that's not fair but I can pick tactics apart. We are naive. We are predictable. We are weak in attack.

Will he get it right? He has the confidence.
Will we give him time? I don't know.
Do i want to give him time? Yes.

Pickford needs to command his area.
We need a CH that will scream the house down.
We need a MD that can dictate play.
We need a goalscorer.
Do i think Silva can do this? I don't know.

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28 Jan 2019 20:36:35
Well at least Millwall saved us from being annihilated by Wimbledon.

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28 Jan 2019 14:43:46
A question for everyone especially the Eds. If Moshiri suddenly decided he'd made a mistake hiring Silva and wanted to replace him, who is or could possibly be available with a bit of pedigree who could come in and sort the mess out? Maybe no-one can do much more than Silva given what we have so it'd be a pointless move? But what if?

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{Ed001's Note - available is a difficult one, but surely any manager who could organise the defence would be an improvement?}

28 Jan 2019 15:30:22
If we change manager before the end of the season the only option will be Moyes.

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28 Jan 2019 15:41:22
Maybe no one could do more than Silva! I suggest doing more than nothing would be very easy. Try Benitez, although he would take some persuading and be reluctant till summer. Another would be Chris Hughton. Howe an Evertonian, would be a good choice as well but there is his North of Watford gap phobia. Any way as I commented earlier, I suspect that the Board are reluctant to admit a fourth failure (actually think it is a third, as Sam fulfilled his brief) , and will probably persevere into next Season.

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{Ed001's Note - Howe is just another Silva. Hughton might be a good bet though. He can organise a defence and will try and play open football if the players are there to do so.}

28 Jan 2019 16:39:03
penn and teller could not make those players any better they are total rubbish they have no bottle and no guts and its not all the fault of silver.

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28 Jan 2019 17:28:54
No to howe and no to Houghton.

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28 Jan 2019 17:28:19
Ed001, itā€™s zonal marking. Whatā€™s to organise? Hence why our goals against column will need widening very soon.

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{Ed001's Note - there is a lot to organise. Zonal marking is not just about standing in a zone, it is about attacking the ball when it is near you, blocking off runners, covering your zone properly, calling help in for runners etc.}

28 Jan 2019 17:48:17
Maurinho?

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28 Jan 2019 18:36:49
I'd take Jose he has a point to prove an I think he could come good.

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28 Jan 2019 19:02:51
A few choices there I see, though none really give me that hmm factor. The best of those mentioned I guess have to be Jose Moanhino and Rafa the Waiter.

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28 Jan 2019 20:50:14
Remember 2 of these defenders were struggling to defend man for man last season. Keanes issue is confidence, he looks brilliant when he's confident and awful when the heat is on.
I'm not sure how many goals Zouma conceded with Stoke but I'm guessing a fair few considering their fate.
The puzzling one for me is Siggy, he was always the one who stepped up at Swansea when they were looking doomed.
We may be terrible at set piece defending and poor at creating chances but we have the 7th best goal difference in the league.

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28 Jan 2019 21:29:49
Despite everything you always seem to find a little ray of sunshine for us to hang onto Smit so thanks for that.

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28 Jan 2019 21:36:48
You're welcome Big H.

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28 Jan 2019 13:09:57
Hey guys I came on here all guns blazing on Saturday night so I thought don't post for a couple of days, calm down and comeback with a more positive outlook. That hasn't worked, I am still absolutely seething! Can anyone say anything to take away some of the gloom? A tasty little transfer rumour would do but we all know where the club stand with that at the moment. Trust this season to be awful when Liverpool really do look capable of winning the title grrr.

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28 Jan 2019 14:40:41
Good news Kingpin we've got City next week mate, hope that put a smile on your face :)

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28 Jan 2019 16:03:59
Thank you for that Penysarn, watch us defy logic and win 2-0 lol.

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28 Jan 2019 16:36:01
No problem mate just that everton don't do logic.

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28 Jan 2019 17:29:42
That will be the defying bit Penysarn šŸ˜‚.

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28 Jan 2019 17:50:39
Well at least all there players are short, so should be ok on crosses. Oh no wait, didnā€™t Jesus score a header last time?

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28 Jan 2019 18:07:08
Well let's start with a win at Huddersfield first Ace then bring on city.

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28 Jan 2019 19:13:59
We have Wolves before that lads. Huddersfield 29/ 01 Wolves 02/ 02 City 06/ 02 Watford 09/ 02 Cardiff 26/ 02 Liverpool 02/ 03 0r 03/ 03 - unsure exactly as there are differing reports.

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28 Jan 2019 12:45:51
Not sure what is going on with our great club at present but here our a few of my concerns.
According to Ed002 Moshiri is being advised by a person who recommended Silva and continues to make recommendations on future developments whatever they may be. Moshiri is not a football expert and should be taking advice from several experts who come to a consensus, not just one person. Hopefully Brands will have more influence in the future.
Not sure how Bill fits into the picture or what his influence is at present, grateful as we all are for his past contributions I think it is about time he retired from active duty. Football is a business and needs to be run by full time professionals who make decisions based on fact not from the heart. Name a stand in the new stadium or whatever,
One thing about Brands that worries me is his statement about only recruiting players with strong characteristics. Well we seem to have a bunch of players out for a stroll in the park, showing little character, dedication or fight. We need some hard men, team leaders who are not frightened to yell at squad members who are not pulling there weight. My understanding is that Brands was brought in to identify raw and inexpensive talent, not seen much of that so far.
Our managerial recruitment has been a disaster. No good going on about supporters wanting any one of them or not, that is not the job of a supporter. At present I believe we are paying three managers so can't see us firing Silva at present, of course that could change if we continue to lose games. If Silva is incapable or so bloody minded that he can't change his tactics then he is doomed. He is being out maneuvered, out played, out managed by almost every opposing team manager we come up against. No good going on about the teams failings, it is so obvious even stupid supporters can see it.
Still time to get us heading in the right direction but changes have to be made. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".

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28 Jan 2019 13:41:42
Whilst I agree with most of what you say BlueMike1, especially the final quote - one of my favourites - I think you are being a bit harsh on Brands. He has barely had time to get going yet so cut him a little slack. And unlike Silva he at least has a bit of pedigree behind him.

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28 Jan 2019 19:13:15
I did say they were my concerns Big H, he has brought in some good players but I want more from him, he is now on the board and should have more influence. Silva needs a rollicking and Brands should be doing it.

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28 Jan 2019 10:51:15
anyone else want to see jags put back in? leader and sturdy for the best part all be it ok he's not the quickest anymore, but got to be better than keane and mina at this current form? Also I'd like to see beni in there if gana is wanting to go, lad looked good coming through last year.

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28 Jan 2019 11:58:30
Three CB's Jags in the middle, two pairs of younger legs either side.

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28 Jan 2019 12:25:07
All the opposition will do is stretch the defence and hit us with pace once Jags is isolated. I like the idea but the execution of it will cause even more pain.

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28 Jan 2019 13:04:10
He is experienced enough now to be last man to step out, I honestly think it could work. Couple that with someone with pace in front of back four alongside Gueye.

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28 Jan 2019 15:12:37
I would put Baines and Jags back in. I have said it before, Baines but a good shift in against Lincoln.

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28 Jan 2019 17:54:32
My only problem with jags is he has a habit of giving teams a goal start :-) A fill in until the end of the season maybe but we need to be looking elsewhere. I agree with his leadership qualities though. We do miss those.

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28 Jan 2019 20:49:53
Jags and McCarthy without a shadow of a doubt put back into the team.

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28 Jan 2019 20:51:17
With the season all but over, I would play Tosun for the remainder of the season instead of bit parts here and there.

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28 Jan 2019 20:53:03
He's injured isn't he?

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28 Jan 2019 09:02:10
One has to feel for our younger players trying to break into an average first team, players like Tyias Browning, Mathew Pennington Mason Holgate unfortunately for them they have been through our worse unsettling last 3 years, 4 Different Managers with 4 different systems definitely hasn't help the development of the cream of our young talent, going out on loan isn't always the best for your potentially best talent, they seem to have disrespect the work that David Usworth has achieved, letting some of our best young natural defenders leave or not promoted in a developing way.
I recently watch the under 18s against Stoke for the first time and I could see our stand out players that evening and after checking I noticed that these youngster had already been promoted to David Unsworth under 23 squad playing above their age but what will happen to them? The same as the previous loaned out or disregarded by the new first team manager. I feel for Unsworth as he is probably knocking his head against a brick wall at this moment, we need top top talent at Everton and we need players that will run through a brick wall for our club also unfortunately I can only see this in a minority of our first team. I think it is time that Silva consults with David Unsworth and promote the cream of our youngsters, let's face it surely they can't do any worse than the current fist team match day squad.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that uran..

28 Jan 2019 11:16:45
I'd really like to think that unsworth brands and silva are in constant contact over this, I'd like to think unsworth watches the first games and realises a week spot, and if needs be puts forward a name in the youth that could fill this gap, and I like the think marco goes and watches the youth, but not seen anything on him doing so, only of brands.

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28 Jan 2019 11:50:49
Yes the pathway to the first team is poor, there is a disconnect somewhere in the system. Unsworth's team is important to develop players and it is not just about Brands players.
You look across the park and quite a few youngsters are coming through we should be the same, it is a club failing one amongst many.

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28 Jan 2019 14:23:07
I'd disagree with looking across the park and seeing youngesters coming through, they have trent and that's it really who else? they have a serious talent in rhian Brewster who is yet to make an appearance, whilst anywhere else i'm seeing nothing?

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28 Jan 2019 11:53:58
Thank you Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - well merited mate..

Review Of The Day 28th January 2019

28 Jan 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 28th January 2019

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28 Jan 2019 11:01:24
I thought/ hoped the days had gone Ed001 when so-called fans were more interested in a fight than the football, but alas as the evidence shows they haven't. In 2019 you should be able to travel to any ground safely without worrying about being ambushed by gangs and knife weilding morons, but Millwall have a reputation, a bad one. They have tried to shake it off over the years with various schemes, but even though I can look after myself it's one place I never have and never would visit.

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{Ed001's Note - it is getting worse again sadly. Millwall has never managed to get rid of the problem, they have tried but their fanbase revel in the reputation they have.}

 
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