Everton Banter Archive January 28 2018

28 Jan 2018 23:24:11
My guess that's it for transfers. This Brozovic rumours can't be true. We take ages getting players over the line and with only 3 days left just can't see it. Anyway Dendonker would be the better player even though he plays a defence midfield role, and we suposedly turned down the chance to buy him for 25m.
And on to more pressing demands. I think we'll give Garbutt a run for his money. Always said he's a younger version of Baines. Which is great because we're swapping Baines with Baines Jr.

29 Jan 2018 10:21:11
I hope so Mowfee82 it would be great if Garbutt becomes as good as Baines.

29 Jan 2018 11:22:09
Interested to hear what part you don't believe is true.

29 Jan 2018 12:27:16
Didn't give a thumbs but Garbutt is nowhere near Baines. Defensively he's poor and he needs proper advice on his crossing.

He tends to cross from deep, high and slow. He needs to overlap more and cross just above head hight with whip and pace or get into the box and drill. He seems very lazy to me.

We've got to give him a chance though. He might excel and take his chance. If he doesn't then it's back to captain calamity.

28 Jan 2018 18:12:58
Ed 025, regarding the LB position, (IMO our most urgent need) , I watched last night's Italian match, Chievo v Juve, and the commentators were talking about Juve's Assamoah looking to move on. They said there had been a lot of interest from Turkish clubs. No disrespect to the Turkish league, but he is a top quality, international defender who has won lots of trophies. Surely he would fancy a go at the EPL? Personally, I think he would be a class signing. Your thoughts, mate?

{Ed025's Note - i like him as well tezza and to be honest i had not heard that he was available mate, there are no links to him at this time but we could do a lot worse..

28 Jan 2018 18:34:52
The problem is Ed and Toffee he couldn't.

28 Jan 2018 14:34:46
Ed’s do you know if Danny Rose is available as he’s not getting a look in at Spurs?

{Ed025's Note - he would be i suppose robbie but he wont come cheap mate..

28 Jan 2018 15:49:35
Wasn't man u chasing him?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

28 Jan 2018 16:00:09
We should go for him and if Utd step in that frees Shaw up?

28 Jan 2018 16:36:32
Would add energy, solidify the defense and offer a well needed left foot!

28 Jan 2018 16:49:47
Would we have any chance of rose though? Difficult to imagine that one.

{Ed002's Note - None. And Everton has no interest in him. As I have explained, Everton looked to two left backs - one was not interested in the move and the other not available (although now he is out injured for the duration). That leaves Joe Bryan and the concern there is regarding Garbutt who would be less of a risk initially - but they may look to an offer and accept the risk.}

28 Jan 2018 17:40:03
You would think Rose would want game time to cement a place for World Cup?

{Ed025's Note - you would robbie but i think hes a bit out of our league at the moment mate..

28 Jan 2018 18:43:32
Ed's hit it again. I just do not understand what the problem is with Garbutt, he apparently is doing and has been doing well. Sam seems to want his players to hit the ground running, when at the moment they can hardly walk. I along with many many others am certainly no expert but does it really take an expert to see that all this chopping and changing just does not work. We pay a fortune for players then in the few minutes they have (normally out of position) if they don't step up they disappear into the depths.

28 Jan 2018 13:58:05
Hi ed 25 do you think we will bring in lb and be intresting to see who leaves.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure about a LB bretto but i think we will try and get at least 1 new face mate..

28 Jan 2018 14:39:30
I still think Nzonzi will come plus a LB unfortunately not many around.

28 Jan 2018 15:08:04
Ye hard with lb will just see what happens garbutt might get added to squad and given chance till summer.

28 Jan 2018 13:24:18
Question for any of the eds, who takes charge loaning out our youngsters? I'd imagine that it is a combination of people, possibly Rhino as U23 manager, maybe even Sam and then Walsh having an input.
If that is the case then how have none of them realised that Connor Grant had already played for two teams this season yet still loaned him out to a team he isn't allowed to play for? Whichever way you look at it, it is a bit sloppy from behind the scenes. Too many cooks springs to mind and is indicative of where are troubles have stemmed over the last few months. Someone needs a rollicking over this but who will carry the can?

{Ed002's Note - Ultimately Walsh.}

28 Jan 2018 13:40:13
cheers ed002.

28 Jan 2018 14:49:47
If that's true bluepotato it's one of the most idiotic things we've ever done, and I've seen some stupid stuff in my 30+ years being a blue.

{Ed001's Note - it is true, though Plymouth tried to take the blame for not checking it out. Obviously didn't want to upset their chances of taking players on loan in the future by upsetting Everton as the blame has to reside at the door of Everton for not realising. He is their player, they should keep track of these things, not Argyle.}

28 Jan 2018 17:12:52
bluepotato, this whole debacle became worse because as oft commented EFC (Mr Moshri/ Koeman) really wanted Mr Walsh - the Scout - I have no firm idea of the ins and outs but I suspect Mr Walsh would not come unless he got a job upgrade. Again in my view that upgrade has proven to much. If we wish (ed) to go down the DoF route, isn't it commonsense to appoint someone with experience and knowledge of that role. You just cannot sanction or bring in 7, 8, 9, players and shoehorn them into a consistent winning Team overnight. It should have been a patient and gradual process. It is truly a very sad situation, we are not going to finish higher than 9th unless something miraculous happens and unless things improve dramatically I fear for us sliding back down again.

28 Jan 2018 11:08:06
Got to say another impressive performance from West Brom last night and just like last week at Goodison, they played an attacking line up and were prepared to take the game to the opposition rather than just park the bus, I was wondering though I wouldn't think many posters on here would have taken Alan Pardew as a managerial option?

{Ed025's Note - i think they would now wakka..

28 Jan 2018 11:12:41
Think your right Ed025, they pulled us apart last week!

{Ed025's Note - they are not a bad side actually wakka, great work ethic and barry looks like hes running the show which is just another indictment of our merry go round recruitment policy..

28 Jan 2018 11:27:12
Amazingly they went in the posited direction to us. They had hoofer and went for a more footballing man, although I don't rate him that highly, we done the opposite.

Were higher in the league but look like we're in an identity crisis. They are starting to look more and more comfortable.

We'll see though.

28 Jan 2018 15:57:36
Pardew normally has a really good run, followed by an horrendous run. So watch this space.
What he has shown though is that not all teams that attack Liverpool get battered.

28 Jan 2018 17:21:12
Smit because no matter what Liverpool do, their defence just does not hold up if you get at them. They begin a game by storming at you and most Teams cave. City are by far the best side in the Prem and they initially caved but came back hard. The way to play these sides is press them high and don't bottle. If you don't have the total talent you must have supreme fitness.

28 Jan 2018 08:59:39
Apparently if Coleman or Garbutt come in or play on Wednesday, we will have played over 36 different players this season, a new record for the club. Not good, however I say let’s break the record and play them.

28 Jan 2018 09:12:32
Too many indeed. It always takes time for players to gel. As a club we have had so much change that the players are not showing their full capabilities. Players who obvioiusly have some talent are so low in confidence you can see it quite plainly on the pitch.

{Ed025's Note - thats right degs, no continuity and they are playing like strangers and thats the problem mate..

28 Jan 2018 10:28:45
I would be interested to see a comparison of results/ league position versus number of players used in past seasons.
I am sure we used to utilise a lot less players compared to other clubs and maintained an established side.

{Ed025's Note - i remember liverpool winning the league using just 14 players ST, chopping and changing has done us no favours at all mate and thats one of my biggest concerns mate..

28 Jan 2018 10:44:26
I think a start would be to play the same 11, two games in a row, and go from there.

28 Jan 2018 11:00:42
I agree with all the above. Add in playing players out of position. Do you remember Swan and me having heated debates on how our squad was ageing and we would need too much change in the next few years? . well at last we seem to have some sort of youth policy now, but we have relied on Moyes back line that he put in half way through his tenure. There should have been forward planning then. Certainly when Martinez came in, he made the astute signing of Lukaku, but he added age to the squad with Barry, Eto'o. then Koeman added Williams. and it was already ageing. Yes since Lookman DCL and other youngsters have been added but both our regular full backs are the same as 10 years ago. Jags still gets a game. I know I advocated Barry in another post so am slightly hypocritical, but where are the players in the 24 to 27 year old range? We should have signed at least a few in that peak age group. ie ones in their prime.

28 Jan 2018 11:05:08
One of Moyes strengths was to have a smaller tightly knit squad where a united team spirit was key in our performances.

28 Jan 2018 11:55:47
Moyes only started buying younger players towards the latter part of tenure.

Martinez revolutionised our youth policy and what we have now is because of him. Plenty wrong with Martinez but our youth academy is because he wanted this to be his legacy.

The right people are in the youth set up but Sam is only out for himself so will not risk bringing youth into the team which we are seeing already. Not blaming him because he's in a difficult situation but we need a different type of manager to get the best out of the youth setup.

28 Jan 2018 13:22:55
Well as usual BlueJohnUns. you and me are going to have to agree to disagree. Firstly Moyes brought in Baines at 21. He brought in Seamus Coleman at 21. He brought in Jags at 24/ 25. He brought Rooney at 16, and Osman at 18 into the team. He brought Pienaar at 25. He brought Rodwell in at 18. Stones at 21. Yobo at 22. McFadden at 23. Arteta at 22. I could go on and on also with players playing in the Championship now. Just off the top of my head that is 11 players blooded below the age of 25 by Moyes early on. Ok 2 of them were through the youth. But 3 are still first team regulars some 13/ 14 years later. Yes Martinez also was involved with the younger youth players coming in. but I was on about players who came straight into the squad/ team with wheels down and engines running. Which of Martinez youth players are in our first team now? Holgate, Calvert Lewin and Kenny. Seeing as Kenny is a local lad. he prob was brought in by the normal scouting method anyway. Besic, Mori, Niasse and Robles are the only Martinez signed players in current 1st team action. and I don't think Roble, Besic or Mori have played a full game this season. Seeing as Martinez was here for 4 years after Moyes. I think that is a pretty poor showing when judging his signings. Especially as 3 of Moyes signings from 10+ years ago are still regulars in defence. Moyes said when he arrived that he had an ageing squad and his 1st job (after saving us from relegation) was to bring the age of the first team down. The players listed above prove he did that I think.

28 Jan 2018 15:04:07
Yeah you're kind of agreeing with my point. I'm talking about how Moyes didn't use the youth set up but Martinez wanted to build the club through its youth setup. When I talk about younger players I mean for the youth setup and under 18/ 19. Not already first team players somewhere else.

Rooney, Osman and Hibbert, although already at the club, Rodwell and Barkley in 11 years.

When you talk about our youth setup now there is a huge amount of talent compared to what went before. They also seem better prepared for the step up. If you take Baningami for an example, he looks ready to be called a first team squad member than say what Barkley was like when he came on the scene.

28 Jan 2018 15:18:03
To add to that think about all those players that made it big when Moyes let them go from the youth system instead of using them!

28 Jan 2018 05:25:36
Interesting story about how Conor Grant's proposed loan move to Plymouth Argyle for the remainder of this season has been scuppered by FIFA rules.
Under those rules, a player cannot appear in the first-team for more than two clubs during the same season.
Grant played on loan for Crewe Alexandra during the first half of this season, but he also played one match for Everton in the Checkatrade Trophy (in August - just before his loan move) and FIFA rules regard that as a first-team match - even though PL sides (like Everton) have to field Under-21 teams while the non-PL sides can field full-strength teams.

28 Jan 2018 13:43:49
Who disagreed with this post? It is all factual!

28 Jan 2018 19:15:31
The crazy people under the stairs!